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Tony Scheffler leaves game on crutches (1 Viewer)
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Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
I wouldnt say that.
Nate Jackson.Whats everyone thoughts on him while Scheffler is out next week?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Not until the Torain Train gets to the station that is.
Young 8
Footballguy
rock753
Footballguy
Not the end of the world, but it is going to hurt if Royal and Scheffler are out. It's not like they are real deep at WR.
SSOG
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Why not? Just because no individual Denver RB is lighting things up doesn't mean the Denver running game hasn't been extremely effective. Coming into this week they were averaging 4.7 yards per attempt, and their 5 rushing TDs were 5th in the league. If you like advanced stats, Selvin Young's success rate coming into this week was 57%, which ranked 3rd in the NFL, right between Brian Westbrook, Joseph Addai, and Michael Turner. If you like even more advanced statistics, Selvin ranked 2nd in DVOA. Pittman and Hall didn't have enough carries to qualify for ranking, but if they did, they would check in at 6th and 3rd, respectively. The team as a whole ranked 1st in rushing DVOA. Football Outsiders also ranks Denver 1st in adjusted line yards, a statistic designed to measure how consistently an offensive line is opening holes in the running game. There is currently a paucity of carries that is surprising given Denver's history, but aggregate numbers aside, Denver's running game has been stellar with the carries they HAVE been getting. Absolutely stellar.
cubbie5150
Footballguy
As a Cutler/Marshall owner this does worry me. Royal ended up w/ a ankle injury today too... Ugh..
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
wasn't Daniel Graham on the Broncos ? he is capable enough to fill in ...
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
Who said anything about an individual RB? Denver ranks 15th in rushing yards per game. That tells me their running attack has been average, not "strong". Their yards per carry is high because of a great passing game, if the passing game suffers, so will the YPC.Also, their 5 rushing TD's is 5th in the league? That is 1 per game, 15 other teams have averaged 1 or more rushing TD's per game.
Do you not think the passing game has something to do with opening those holes?
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Footballguy
Yep. He's actually listed 1st on the depth chart. The only other player on the roster who has played TE is long snapper Mike Leach (0 career receptions).
SSOG
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My stats were for the NFL coming into today, because the day's action wasn't yet over and couldn't yet be considered. Coming into today Denver ranked 5th in rushing TDs. They ranked 12th in rushing yards, but a large part of that was a result of them ranking 16th in rush attempts. Ranking running games by total yards is stupid, because the teams with the most yards are usually the teams with the most attempts. A better stat that raw yards is yards per carry, but that has its own limitations- for instance, Pittman has a low ypc because he's used primarily in short yardage... but he gets a first down more than 50% of the time when he gets the ball. A better stat than yards per carry is success rate, but that has its own limitations- for instance, a good success rate against a terrible run defense counts the same as a good success rate against a great run defense. A better stat than success rate is DVOA. Regardless, look at any stat other than total yards and Denver's running game has been very strong this season. VERY strong.
Sure, it has SOMETHING to do with it, because everything on offense is connected... but so what? Denver's running game has been very effective. I don't care if it's been effective because of the OLine, or because Cutler's a stud, or because Mike Shanahan has been carrying a lucky rabbit's foot in his pocket on game days. Denver's rushing offense has been strong this season. Period. You can feel free to say otherwise, but you'll be wrong.
FUBAR
Footballguy
So what? When we're discussing the impact of losing two of the better receiving options, the "so what" should be obvious. This is almost like saying "Tom Brady was key to Randy Moss's success last season and he's now injured, but so what?"
Or "The offensive line is important, and the Bengals line sucks, but SO WHAT?"
I'd be shocked if Denver maintained a high YPC with Royal and Scheffler out. I'll go so far as to say I'll be shocked if they win any games with these two out of the lineup.
Nice sugarcoating, maybe mention rushing yards next time?Effective use of below-average RBs =average rushing yards, hence the 14th ranked run game of the Broncos. A whopping 4.2 total yards over the 16th exact middle spot.
SSOG
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The passing game is a part of Denver's running game's success... but it's not like Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler are Randy Moss and Antonio Gates here. Royal is the #2 wideout. Scheffler is the #2 TE. Denver's offense still has plenty of targets- Marshall, Graham, Pittman out of the backfield. And, oh yeah, this kid named Cutler is under center. You might have heard of him- he's pretty good. The passing offense is going to be better than it was last year, when Cutler was playing with undiagnosed diabetes and hadn't take the big step forward yet. You remember last year, right- when Denver's 4.6 team yard per carry average ranked 5th in the league?FUBAR said:
Besides, the passing game is only PART of Denver's running success. The much, much larger part is the OFFENSIVE LINE, which is light-years ahead of the line last season. Ryan Clady is playing like the best rookie LT of the last decade (non-Joe Thomas division)- and yes, Marcus McNeill, that includes you. Ryan Harris has been an absolute SHOCK at RT, and is a major upgrade over the revolving door there last season. Hamilton is healthy and better than Kuper, who has moved over to the other side and is now clearly better than Montrae Holland. That's two MAJOR upgrades on the line (at both tackle positions), as well as two noticeable upgrades (at both guard positions).
So, let's see... better passing game than last year... better offensive line than last year... Selvin Young averaged over 5 yards per carry last year... yeah, sure, totally looks like Denver's running game is primed to fall off the face of the planet. 13 years of track record be damned- Denver just lost their #2 WR!
I did mention rushing yards. Right here:Bri said:
AllVolUT
Footballguy
packersfan
Footballguy
Broncos signed a TE today (Chad Mustard, who had been with the team previously). I'd say that's a pretty good sign Scheffler is out this week for sure.
the roflmobile
Footballguy
Not a Scheffler owner, but curious, how much of a bump does this give to Daniel Graham? Is he a better option next week than say Olsen, Carlson, Zach Miller, Dante Rosario, or Leonard Pope?
I want to pick him up just so I can cut him.
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THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Bump Stokley bigtime.
Graham is more of their blocking TE. I'd expect that Nate Jackson will see more looks with Scheffler out.
thecardiackid
Footballguy
Olsen - no wayCarlson - doubtful - SEA pass game is fugly
Miller - no
Rosario - week 1 wonder
Pope - maybe
Nate Jackson would be the pass catching option in DEN w/ Scheffler out or a split of touches w/ Graham getting a few, and maybe Jackson would be better than carlson, rosario, and pope. But it will take a game or two for DEN and us to figure it out. Should be better options available.
the roflmobile
Footballguy
I wish. It's either the above mentioned or Billy Miller or *gasp* Vernon Davis... and we all know how I feel about him.
Rovers
Footballguy
The passing game is a part of Denver's running game's success... but it's not like Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler are Randy Moss and Antonio Gates here. Royal is the #2 wideout. Scheffler is the #2 TE. Denver's offense still has plenty of targets- Marshall, Graham, Pittman out of the backfield. And, oh yeah, this kid named Cutler is under center. You might have heard of him- he's pretty good. The passing offense is going to be better than it was last year, when Cutler was playing with undiagnosed diabetes and hadn't take the big step forward yet. You remember last year, right- when Denver's 4.6 team yard per carry average ranked 5th in the league?
Besides, the passing game is only PART of Denver's running success. The much, much larger part is the OFFENSIVE LINE, which is light-years ahead of the line last season. Ryan Clady is playing like the best rookie LT of the last decade (non-Joe Thomas division)- and yes, Marcus McNeill, that includes you. Ryan Harris has been an absolute SHOCK at RT, and is a major upgrade over the revolving door there last season. Hamilton is healthy and better than Kuper, who has moved over to the other side and is now clearly better than Montrae Holland. That's two MAJOR upgrades on the line (at both tackle positions), as well as two noticeable upgrades (at both guard positions).
So, let's see... better passing game than last year... better offensive line than last year... Selvin Young averaged over 5 yards per carry last year... yeah, sure, totally looks like Denver's running game is primed to fall off the face of the planet. 13 years of track record be damned- Denver just lost their #2 WR!
I did mention rushing yards. Right here:
Scheffler is the #2 TE? Tell me again how Brandon Marshall isn't a top 5 WR..... I need a good laugh after ADP's puke puddle tonight. Your posts get more and more bizzare as the year goes on....
broncofan13000
Footballguy
GB drafting Ryan Clady
Dragon1952
Footballguy
LOL!
thecardiackid
Footballguy
I think you missed my point. BOTH Olsen and Miller are BETTER options than Graham (or Nate IMO) next week. HTH
Burning Sensation
Footballguy
You can selectively use or disregard any stats you want, but fact is, Denver has an average rushing attack. So what if its because they have carried the ball a few times less than other teams? Maybe if there rushing game was better, they would run the ball more.
The OP said the running game was strong, that Broncos would be OK if the passing game falters. Thats my point, the Broncos do not have a good enough running game to get by if the passing game struggles.
the roflmobile
Footballguy
Ah, got ya. My bad. I was reading it wrong.
FUBAR
Footballguy
The passing game is a part of Denver's running game's success... but it's not like Eddie Royal and Tony Scheffler are Randy Moss and Antonio Gates here. Royal is the #2 wideout. Scheffler is the #2 TE. Denver's offense still has plenty of targets- Marshall, Graham, Pittman out of the backfield. And, oh yeah, this kid named Cutler is under center. You might have heard of him- he's pretty good. The passing offense is going to be better than it was last year, when Cutler was playing with undiagnosed diabetes and hadn't take the big step forward yet. You remember last year, right- when Denver's 4.6 team yard per carry average ranked 5th in the league?Besides, the passing game is only PART of Denver's running success. The much, much larger part is the OFFENSIVE LINE, which is light-years ahead of the line last season. Ryan Clady is playing like the best rookie LT of the last decade (non-Joe Thomas division)- and yes, Marcus McNeill, that includes you. Ryan Harris has been an absolute SHOCK at RT, and is a major upgrade over the revolving door there last season. Hamilton is healthy and better than Kuper, who has moved over to the other side and is now clearly better than Montrae Holland. That's two MAJOR upgrades on the line (at both tackle positions), as well as two noticeable upgrades (at both guard positions).
So, let's see... better passing game than last year... better offensive line than last year... Selvin Young averaged over 5 yards per carry last year... yeah, sure, totally looks like Denver's running game is primed to fall off the face of the planet. 13 years of track record be damned- Denver just lost their #2 WR!
Who pissed in your cheerios? If you don't get why the loss of two key parts of the offense matters, good luck.
SSOG
Moderator
Ummm... Scheffler *IS* the #2 TE. He really, honestly, truly is. Here's the depth chart to prove it (where, oddly enough, Schef is listed as "A. Scheffler" - Anthony, perhaps?). Fdit: actually, that depth chart is absolute garbage. It's definitely supposed to be this year's depth chart, since the starting fullback (P. Hillis) is a rookie. It's not like they just never changed the depth chart from last year or anything... but that's so wrong it's scary. Eric Pears is listed as the starting RT- he's a weekly game-day inactive. Montrae Holland is listed as the starting RG- he's not even on the team! Here is a much better depth chart from the official team site. Notice Tony Scheffler right there at the #2 TE position.
Daniel Graham is the starting TE. He's the TE on the field in 1-TE sets. He's the TE that logs the most snaps of any TE on the entire roster. He's the #1 TE. Tony Scheffler is targeted more frequently in the passing game, but despite this, he is in fact the #2 TE. I never realized that it was bizarre to call a team's #2 TE their #2 TE, but I'm glad I could make your evening a little bit brighter.
Since you find it amusing when I state simple fact, here are a few more for you. Jay Cutler is Denver's starting QB. Eddie Royal is a rookie. Despite being a fullback, the team has given Spencer Larson some work at linebacker in practices and camps. Matt Prater has a pretty strong leg. Footballs are not, in fact, made out of pig skin. Rain is water that falls from the sky.
Once again, allow me to reference New England last season. I'm assuming you saw them in the playoffs. Was that the 13th best rushing offense in the league you saw? The rushing game can be very strong and still lightly used because the passing game is stronger still. Denver has a top 10 rushing attack, easily. Possibly top 5- we'll know more on that in the coming weeks.
sounds foolish to me buddywe'll have to agree to disagree here I guess
Carver Lee
Footballguy
Shark move = Glenn Martinez
mistersmith
Footballguy
Over Stokely? Every time I've seen Stokely fill in he's done pretty well.
BalcoBomber
Footballguy
I'm going for Stokley in my PPR.
You're drowning in semantics.In fantasy football, the guy that posts the most targets, receptions, yards, and TDs is the logical #1 TE, not the guy that logs the most snaps, throws the most blocks, or shows up first on some depth chart.
mistersmith
Footballguy
I'm thinking he should have a nice game against Jacksonville, their secondary's pretty decimated with injuries. Big Ben just threw for 300 yds, 3 tds against them.BalcoBomber said:
Warhogs
Footballguy
hostile said:
I was hoping to come here for some information but it looks like a couple of old women arguing from what I can see. 
I was hoping to soon get Kevin Curtis back from a sports hernia. Isn't this usually a 6 week type injury if it is a sports hernia? Anyone have any useful information?
AllVolUT
Footballguy
As much as I hate to say it, this is a good post. Someone here is going to present good value, whether it be Stokley or Graham/Martinez/Jackson. The Jags have a bye week after the Denver game, so I don't really expect Reggie Nelson or Drayton Florence to be back until after then. The Jags passing Def tightened up a bit in the game after they removed rookie CB James from the game and moved Brian Williams to corner. Still, the passing game is the soft spot of their Def.Denver will probably have to resort to their passing game to move the ball (nothing new to see there). Removing the significant amount of targets between Scheff and Royal will likely result in a large uptick for Stokley. Definitely the PPR and non-PPR play here IMO.
PahtyTom
Footballguy
William James is not a rookie. He's actually kinda old now, and is playing like it.
