Top 10 RB (1 Viewer)

[tytyty]

Rank by all purpose yardage. Rush/Rec....

 

[MLBrandow]

1) Larry Johnson 2300

2) Clinton Portis 2200

3) Tiki Barber 2100

4) LaDanian Tomlinson 2000

5) Edgerrin James 1950

6) Domanick Davis 1900

7) Cadillac Williams 1850

8) Shaun Alexander 1700

9) Brian Westbrook 1650

10) Steven Jackson 1600

Not really sure what that proves... you play in leagues that don't count TDs?

If you're asking for that too...

1) Larry Johnson

2) Clinton Portis

3) LaDanian Tomlinson

4) Shaun Alexander

5) Tiki Barber

6) Cadillac Williams

7) Domanick Davis

8) Brian Westbrook

9) Steven Jackson

10) Rudi Johnson

I guess you are just asking for our top-10 RB lists?

 

[tytyty]

1) Larry Johnson

2) Clinton Portis

3) Tiki Barber

4) LaDanian Tomlinson

5) Edgerrin James

6) Domanick Davis

7) Brian Westbrook

8) Cadillac Williams

9) Steven Jackson

10) Shaun Alexander

Not really sure what that proves... you play in leagues that don't count TDs?

If you're asking for that too...

1) Larry Johnson

2) Clinton Portis

3) LaDanian Tomlinson

4) Shaun Alexander

5) Tiki Barber

6) Cadillac Williams

7) Domanick Davis

8) Brian Westbrook

9) Steven Jackson

10) Rudi Johnson

I guess you are just asking for our top-10 RB lists?

Well Rb's get 1/10 for rush rec. I think that gets left out a little. No L Jordan eh?

 

[MLBrandow]

Well Rb's get 1/10 for rush rec.  I think that gets left out a little.  No L Jordan eh?

I edited my list to include some rough numbers, and adjusted them a small bit.He should end up with around 15-1600, just misses the list.

 

[tytyty]

Well Rb's get 1/10 for rush rec.  I think that gets left out a little.  No L Jordan eh?

I edited my list to include some rough numbers, and adjusted them a small bit.He should end up with around 15-1600, just misses the list.

15 what? TD's???

 

[MLBrandow]

1500 to 1600 yards

 

[JAMMIN]

I'd like to see top 15. I think it gets real dicey after the top 10 imo. I added up to fifteen.

1) Larry Johnson

2) Shaun Alexander

3) LaDanian Tomlinson

4) Clinton Portis

5) Tiki Barber

6) Cadillac Williams

7) SJAX

8) Brian Westbrook

9) Rudi

10) Jordan

11) DD

12) Mcgahee

13)Brown

14)Parker ??????? At this point I have no idea this year

15)I guess one of the Jones's. They both stunk last year though.

 

[PACKER 7]

I went to top 20 based on my scoring system. The reason being is that from 15 - 20 all those RBs are within 1 point of each other so in my mind they are the same. (Before the Green comments start at this point I am assuming he starts from game 1. This could change as camp goes on.)

RB1 Johnson,Larry KC

RB2 Tomlinson,Ladainian SD

RB3 Alexander,Shaun SEA

RB4 Barber,Tiki NYG

RB5 Portis,Clinton WAS

RB6 Jordan,Lamont OAK

RB7 James,Edgerrin ARI

RB8 Johnson,Rudi CIN

RB9 Jackson,Steven STL

RB10 Lewis,Jamal BAL

RB11 Davis,Domanick HOU

RB12 Westbrook,Brian PHI

RB13 McAllister,Deuce NO

RB14 McGahee,Willis BUF

RB15 Green,Ahman GB

RB16 Jones,Julius DAL

RB17 Dillon,Corey NE

RB18 Jones,Kevin DET

RB19 Dunn,Warrick ATL

RB20 Taylor,Chester MIN

 

[MLBrandow]

I went to top 20 based on my scoring system.  The reason being is that from 15 - 20 all those RBs are within 1 point of each other so in my mind they are the same.  (Before the Green comments start at this point I am assuming he starts from game 1.  This could change as camp goes on.)

RB1 Johnson,Larry KC

RB2 Tomlinson,Ladainian SD

RB3 Alexander,Shaun SEA

RB4 Barber,Tiki NYG

RB5 Portis,Clinton WAS

RB6 Jordan,Lamont OAK

RB7 James,Edgerrin ARI

RB8 Johnson,Rudi CIN

RB9 Jackson,Steven STL

RB10 Lewis,Jamal BAL

RB11 Davis,Domanick HOU

RB12 Westbrook,Brian PHI

RB13 McAllister,Deuce NO

RB14 McGahee,Willis BUF

RB15 Green,Ahman GB

RB16 Jones,Julius DAL

RB17 Dillon,Corey NE

RB18 Jones,Kevin DET

RB19 Dunn,Warrick ATL

RB20 Taylor,Chester MIN

Would like to hear why you left out CW? You expect Pittman to beat him out or something?Other than that though, these predictions look pretty solid IMO. Shows what value Lewis/Dillon and moreso Deuce/Green have this year.

Both of those RBs stare at me on the board in every mock I do in the 5th/6th rounds.

I'd like to see top 15. I think it gets real dicey after the top 10 imo. I added up to fifteen.

Completely agree, and that's why it's such a great year to not RB/RB, but go RB/WR/WR/RB.After the top 8 or 10, there's a dozen RBs that are all kind of the same to me, and and about 5 I wouldn't touch.

 

[PACKER 7]

Would like to hear why you left out CW? You expect Pittman to beat him out or something?

Other than that though, these predictions look pretty solid IMO. Shows what value Lewis/Dillon and moreso Deuce/Green have this year.

Both of those RBs stare at me on the board in every mock I do in the 5th/6th rounds.

POS. NAME TEAM Rush Yds Rush TDs Rec Yds Rec TDs Fantasy Pts

RB1 Johnson,Larry KC 1800 19 400 2 346.00

RB2 Tomlinson,Ladainian SD 1480 18 500 2 318.00

RB3 Alexander,Shaun SEA 1670 21 181 1 317.10

RB4 Barber,Tiki NYG 1518 10 523 1 270.10

RB5 Portis,Clinton WAS 1500 11 255 2 253.50

RB6 Jordan,Lamont OAK 1200 10 600 2 252.00

RB7 James,Edgerrin ARI 1350 11 370 1 244.00

RB8 Johnson,Rudi CIN 1475 12 90 1 234.50

RB9 Jackson,Steven STL 1200 11 360 1 228.00

RB10 Lewis,Jamal BAL 1488 9 192 0 222.00

RB11 Davis,Domanick HOU 1150 9 450 1 220.00

RB12 Westbrook,Brian PHI 817 8 660 3 213.70

RB13 McAllister,Deuce NO 1184 8 288 2 207.20

RB14 McGahee,Willis BUF 1250 8 179 1 196.90

RB15 Green,Ahman GB 1136 7 336 1 195.20

RB16 Jones,Julius DAL 1242 7 230 1 195.20

RB17 Dillon,Corey NE 1200 10 150 0 195.00

RB18 Jones,Kevin DET 1270 7 200 1 195.00

RB19 Dunn,Warrick ATL 1261 6 260 1 194.10

RB20 Taylor,Chester MIN 1125 5 450 1 193.50

RB21 Parker,Willie PIT 1202 7 250 1 193.20

RB22 Brown,Ronnie MIA 1216 6 290 1 192.60

RB23 Williams,Carnell TB 1350 7 96 1 192.60

RB24 Foster,De'shaun CAR 1050 5 400 2 187.00

RB25 Taylor,Fred JAX 1287 4 275 1 186.20

RB26 Droughns,Reuben CLE 1200 5 305 0 180.50

RB27 Jones,Thomas CHI 970 6 250 1 164.00

RB28 Martin,Curtis NYJ 1051 4 224 1 157.50

RB29 Bell,Tatum DEN 912 6 128 1 146.00

RB30 Dayne,Ron DEN 908 7 100 0 142.80

RB31 Rhodes,Dominic IND 850 4 128 2 133.80

RB32 Addai, Joseph IND 850 4 128 2 133.80

 

[MLBrandow]

Ahh, that's your problem.

Cadillac is looking at about 50 receptions this year, not 12.

He'll also be the goal-line back. By default, if he plays a healthy season, he was on pace for 11 TDs last year, so to get 7 would be a travesty.

I have him for 15.

I think the rest of those predictions, with a few exceptions from my own personal biases (JJ, CTaylor, RB, Foster, FTaylor, Droughns, TJones, Bell, Addai) look pretty spot on.

 

[PACKER 7]

Would like to hear why you left out CW? You expect Pittman to beat him out or something?

Other than that though, these predictions look pretty solid IMO. Shows what value Lewis/Dillon and moreso Deuce/Green have this year.

Both of those RBs stare at me on the board in every mock I do in the 5th/6th rounds.

Well, I wouldn't say that I exactly left him out. What I mean can be better explained if I post the top 32 that I've ranked so far and also their total expected fantasy points that I've projected.

About Cadillac imparticular, I believe he is a massive rusher, but his receiving stats bring him down imo. I also have a hard time believing, at this point, he'll crack double digit TDs with Alstott and Pittman still around. He very well could out perform my ranking, but as you can see below even though he's ranked 23rd that still only 4 points below the guy ranked 14th. So as you eluded to, it's a mess after the top 10-12 guys.

Please feel free to ask and critique, this is my first run and check. I'm most confused about the Indy situation.

Also I'm sorry about the messy paste below, but I can't figure out another way to paste to this things. If someone knows I would appreciate it.

POS. NAME TEAM Rush Yds Rush TDs Rec Yds Rec TDs Fantasy Pts

RB1 Johnson,Larry KC 1800 19 400 2 346.00

RB2 Tomlinson,Ladainian SD 1480 18 500 2 318.00

RB3 Alexander,Shaun SEA 1670 21 181 1 317.10

RB4 Barber,Tiki NYG 1518 10 523 1 270.10

RB5 Portis,Clinton WAS 1500 11 255 2 253.50

RB6 Jordan,Lamont OAK 1200 10 600 2 252.00

RB7 James,Edgerrin ARI 1350 11 370 1 244.00

RB8 Johnson,Rudi CIN 1475 12 90 1 234.50

RB9 Jackson,Steven STL 1200 11 360 1 228.00

RB10 Lewis,Jamal BAL 1488 9 192 0 222.00

RB11 Davis,Domanick HOU 1150 9 450 1 220.00

RB12 Westbrook,Brian PHI 817 8 660 3 213.70

RB13 McAllister,Deuce NO 1184 8 288 2 207.20

RB14 McGahee,Willis BUF 1250 8 179 1 196.90

RB15 Green,Ahman GB 1136 7 336 1 195.20

RB16 Jones,Julius DAL 1242 7 230 1 195.20

RB17 Dillon,Corey NE 1200 10 150 0 195.00

RB18 Jones,Kevin DET 1270 7 200 1 195.00

RB19 Dunn,Warrick ATL 1261 6 260 1 194.10

RB20 Taylor,Chester MIN 1125 5 450 1 193.50

RB21 Parker,Willie PIT 1202 7 250 1 193.20

RB22 Brown,Ronnie MIA 1216 6 290 1 192.60

RB23 Williams,Carnell TB 1350 7 96 1 192.60

RB24 Foster,De'shaun CAR 1050 5 400 2 187.00

RB25 Taylor,Fred JAX 1287 4 275 1 186.20

RB26 Droughns,Reuben CLE 1200 5 305 0 180.50

RB27 Jones,Thomas CHI 970 6 250 1 164.00

RB28 Martin,Curtis NYJ 1051 4 224 1 157.50

RB29 Bell,Tatum DEN 912 6 128 1 146.00

RB30 Dayne,Ron DEN 908 7 100 0 142.80

RB31 Rhodes,Dominic IND 850 4 128 2 133.80

RB32 Addai, Joseph IND 850 4 128 2 133.80

 

[Blackjacks]

Ahh, that's your problem.

Cadillac is looking at about 50 receptions this year, not 12.

He'll also be the goal-line back. By default, if he plays a healthy season, he was on pace for 11 TDs last year, so to get 7 would be a travesty.

I have him for 15.

I think the rest of those predictions, with a few exceptions from my own personal biases (JJ, CTaylor, RB, Foster, FTaylor, Droughns, TJones, Bell, Addai) look pretty spot on.

15 td's with Alstott around, wow that's actually very funny.There is no way he scores over 10 and I'd be shocked if he hit over 7

 

[David Yudkin]

Ahh, that's your problem.

Cadillac is looking at about 50 receptions this year, not 12.

He'll also be the goal-line back. By default, if he plays a healthy season, he was on pace for 11 TDs last year, so to get 7 would be a travesty.

I have him for 15.

I think the rest of those predictions, with a few exceptions from my own personal biases (JJ, CTaylor, RB, Foster, FTaylor, Droughns, TJones, Bell, Addai) look pretty spot on.

Williams was only targeted 25 times last year. Not only that, there were only 5 RB that had 50 receptions. I'd say 50 receptions for Caddy this year is doubtful.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Ahh, that's your problem.

Cadillac is looking at about 50 receptions this year, not 12.

He'll also be the goal-line back. By default, if he plays a healthy season, he was on pace for 11 TDs last year, so to get 7 would be a travesty.

I have him for 15.

I think the rest of those predictions, with a few exceptions from my own personal biases (JJ, CTaylor, RB, Foster, FTaylor, Droughns, TJones, Bell, Addai) look pretty spot on.

Somebody owns Caddy in their dynasty league.

 

[MLBrandow]

Somebody owns Caddy in their dynasty league.

I don't like dynasty leagues.I simply follow the Bucs a lot, and know what they plan on doing, and I can tell you if you think Cadillac is going to have 96 yards receiving, you'd better bank on him only getting about 300 yards rushing.

Williams was only targeted 25 times last year.  Not only that, there were only 5 RB that had 50 receptions.  I'd say 50 receptions for Caddy this year is doubtful.

He was purposely left out of the receiving game last year. Gruden didn't want to overload him and so had him learn only the running plays so that he could be on the field and running the ball by the opener.He spent all offseason catching balls and practicing his blitz-pickup and learning the other half of Gruden's playbook.

To surmise that because he was only targeted 25 times last year (without being called on most of the RB pass plays) that he won't stand to significantly increase those targets now that he will be in the game and have his number called is a bit near-sighted.

15 td's with Alstott around, wow that's actually very funny.

There is no way he scores over 10 and I'd be shocked if he hit over 7

Cool, I'll bet you a lifetime sig he gets over 10 TDs, barring unforseen injury.

 

[David Yudkin]

Somebody owns Caddy in their dynasty league.

I don't like dynasty leagues.I simply follow the Bucs a lot, and know what they plan on doing, and I can tell you if you think Cadillac is going to have 96 yards receiving, you'd better bank on him only getting about 300 yards rushing.

Williams was only targeted 25 times last year.  Not only that, there were only 5 RB that had 50 receptions.  I'd say 50 receptions for Caddy this year is doubtful.

He was purposely left out of the receiving game last year. Gruden didn't want to overload him and so had him learn only the running plays so that he could be on the field and running the ball by the opener.He spent all offseason catching balls and practicing his blitz-pickup and learning the other half of Gruden's playbook.

To surmise that because he was only targeted 25 times last year (without being called on most of the RB pass plays) that he won't stand to significantly increase those targets now that he will be in the game and have his number called is a bit near-sighted.

No one said he won't get more than 12 receptions. But it's a long way to 50.

 

[MLBrandow]

No one said he won't get more than 12 receptions.  But it's a long way to 50.

Receptions by Gruden RB1s (scaled to 16 games):2005 - Williams - 20 (23)

2004 - Pittman - 41 (50)

2003 - Pittman - 75 (75)

2002 - Pittman - 59 (59)

2001 - Garner - 72 (72)

2000 - Wheatley - 21 (24)

1999 - Wheatley - 20 (20)

1998 - Kaufman - 25 (31)

1997 - Watters - 48 (48)

1996 - Watters - 51 (51)

1995 - Watters - 62 (62)

Average - 45 (47)

Also, consider that for three of these years, Gruden had a guy with club hands as his feature RB (Kaufman '98, Wheatley '99-'00), and last year he purposely left out that part of the playbook for Williams.

Averaging the results save for the outliers, you get this:

Average with receiving-capable backs: 58 (60)

I'd say that judging from Gruden's history and the fact that he wants to get Cadillac about 50 balls and loves Cadillac's hands, I'd say 50 is not a long way away, as some may think.

 

[PACKER 7]

The one guy I'd love to have this year, if he can stay healthy is Dom. Davis. I think you can get him later in the 2nd to maybe mid 3rd round. If he stays healthy for 15 games he could pole vault into the top 5-7 backs. That would be a tremendous move over the 11 spot I have him at right now.

It's just he can't seem to stay healthy. Does anyone else have the same reservations? observations?

 

[David Yudkin]

No one said he won't get more than 12 receptions.  But it's a long way to 50.

Receptions by Gruden RB1s (scaled to 16 games):2005 - Williams - 20 (23)

2004 - Pittman - 41 (50)

2003 - Pittman - 75 (75)

2002 - Pittman - 59 (59)

2001 - Garner - 72 (72)

2000 - Wheatley - 21 (24)

1999 - Wheatley - 20 (20)

1998 - Kaufman - 25 (31)

1997 - Watters - 48 (48)

1996 - Watters - 51 (51)

1995 - Watters - 62 (62)

Average - 45 (47)

Also, consider that for three of these years, Gruden had a guy with club hands as his feature RB (Kaufman '98, Wheatley '99-'00), and last year he purposely left out that part of the playbook for Williams.

Averaging the results save for the outliers, you get this:

Average with receiving-capable backs: 58 (60)

I'd say that judging from Gruden's history and the fact that he wants to get Cadillac about 50 balls and loves Cadillac's hands, I'd say 50 is not a long way away, as some may think.

At this point we don't really know if Williams is more like Wheatley or more like Watters.Second year receptions for each guy:

Pittman - 16

Garner - 10

Wheatley - 12

Kaufman - 22

Watters - 31

Just curious as to how many touches you see Williams getting? 350 carries and 50 receptions?

 

[MLBrandow]

That 2nd year stat is irrelevant, since they weren't in Gruden's system .

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  min  |   27   148  |     0  |  1 ||  2  buf  |   24   128  |     0  |  1 ||  3  gnb  |   37   158  |     0  |  0 ||  4  det  |   11    13  |     6  |  0 ||  8  sfo  |   13    20  |     5  |  0 ||  9  car  |   11    29  |    25  |  0 || 10  was  |   10    20  |     0  |  0 || 11  atl  |   19   116  |    13  |  1 || 12  chi  |   20    84  |     7  |  0 || 13  nor  |   22    96  |     7  |  0 || 14  car  |   29   112  |     4  |  2 || 15  nwe  |   14    23  |     4  |  0 || 16  atl  |   31   150  |    10  |  1 || 17  nor  |   22    81  |     0  |  0 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  TOTAL   |  290  1178  |    81  |  6 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+that would be 1-3, 11-17...He averaged 24.5 attempts per game. That equates to 392 carries.

I see him with about 25 touches per game, and about 50 of which would be receptions.

Part of the reason said attempts were so high was because he was not catching passes.

The closest thing Gruden had to Cadillac was Ricky Watters IMO. A true, undisputed #1RB who got all of the work and was a solid runner.

| 1995 phi |  16 |   337   1273    3.8   11 |    62    434   7.0    1 || 1996 phi |  16 |   353   1411    4.0   13 |    51    444   8.7    0 || 1997 phi |  16 |   285   1110    3.9    7 |    48    440   9.2    0 |Notice he averaged 379 attempts. Not to trim the stats even more, but in '95-'96, they were 10-6, and in '97, 6-9-1. The '06 Bucs are in that 10-6 to 12-4 range, definitely a playoff-caliber team.So, if you average those '95-'96 seasons, you get 401.5 attempts. This is, consequently, about where I see Williams at.

However, likewise when you computer those games in which Cadillac was healthy last year, you get a YPC of about 4.5. Naturally, with the OL improvements, a healthy Clayton, etc, I expect that YPC to go up slightly.

4.7 ypc at 350 carries + 50 receptions at ~ 8 ypr (I expect this number to be higher when Stovall starts over Galloway, not this year but eventually).

You get:

1645 rushing yards, 400 receiving yards.

Factor that he's getting goal-line work, probably drop down the yardage a bit, and add more TDs, you get my projections for him this year:

350/1575/15, 50/400/2

Perhaps you can see why I'm "high" on him.

(just as a quick edit, you'll notice that the 1850 above is slightly off from the 1975 I have here... I just threw out some ballpark estimates off the top of my head for the sake of answering his question).

 

[David Yudkin]

That 2nd year stat is irrelevant, since they weren't in Gruden's system .

+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK  OPP  |  RSH   YD   |  RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  1  min  |   27   148  |     0  |  1 ||  2  buf  |   24   128  |     0  |  1 ||  3  gnb  |   37   158  |     0  |  0 ||  4  det  |   11    13  |     6  |  0 ||  8  sfo  |   13    20  |     5  |  0 ||  9  car  |   11    29  |    25  |  0 || 10  was  |   10    20  |     0  |  0 || 11  atl  |   19   116  |    13  |  1 || 12  chi  |   20    84  |     7  |  0 || 13  nor  |   22    96  |     7  |  0 || 14  car  |   29   112  |     4  |  2 || 15  nwe  |   14    23  |     4  |  0 || 16  atl  |   31   150  |    10  |  1 || 17  nor  |   22    81  |     0  |  0 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+|  TOTAL   |  290  1178  |    81  |  6 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+that would be 1-3, 11-17...He averaged 24.5 attempts per game. That equates to 392 carries.

I see him with about 25 touches per game, and about 50 of which would be receptions.

Part of the reason said attempts were so high was because he was not catching passes.

The closest thing Gruden had to Cadillac was Ricky Watters IMO. A true, undisputed #1RB who got all of the work and was a solid runner.

| 1995 phi |  16 |   337   1273    3.8   11 |    62    434   7.0    1 || 1996 phi |  16 |   353   1411    4.0   13 |    51    444   8.7    0 || 1997 phi |  16 |   285   1110    3.9    7 |    48    440   9.2    0 |Notice he averaged 379 attempts. Not to trim the stats even more, but in '95-'96, they were 10-6, and in '97, 6-9-1. The '06 Bucs are in that 10-6 to 12-4 range, definitely a playoff-caliber team.So, if you average those '95-'96 seasons, you get 401.5 attempts. This is, consequently, about where I see Williams at.

However, likewise when you computer those games in which Cadillac was healthy last year, you get a YPC of about 4.5. Naturally, with the OL improvements, a healthy Clayton, etc, I expect that YPC to go up slightly.

4.7 ypc at 350 carries + 50 receptions at ~ 8 ypr (I expect this number to be higher when Stovall starts over Galloway, not this year but eventually).

You get:

1645 rushing yards, 400 receiving yards.

Factor that he's getting goal-line work, probably drop down the yardage a bit, and add more TDs, you get my projections for him this year:

350/1575/15, 50/400/2

Perhaps you can see why I'm "high" on him.

If you read up on the other posts I had on Williams, you will see that I'm nowhere near as high on Williams, as his fantasy production (total points divided by total touches) was borderline terrible last year. But this year is not last year . . .As for second year RB with 50 receptions, there's been 40 of them since 1970. In the past 10 years there's been:

Chris Perry 2005 51

Domanick Davis 2004 68

LaDainian Tomlinson 2002 79

Kevin Faulk 2000 51

Edgerrin James 2000 63

Duce Staley 1998 57

Terrell Fletcher 1996 61

Not saying it can't happen, only that it happens less than you would think.

 

[MLBrandow]

If you read up on the other posts I had on Williams, you will see that I'm nowhere near as high on Williams, as his fantasy production (total points divided by total touches) was borderline terrible last year. But this year is not last year . . .

As for second year RB with 50 receptions, there's been 40 of them since 1970. In the past 10 years there's been:

Chris Perry 2005 51

Domanick Davis 2004 68

LaDainian Tomlinson 2002 79

Kevin Faulk 2000 51

Edgerrin James 2000 63

Duce Staley 1998 57

Terrell Fletcher 1996 61

Not saying it can't happen, only that it happens less than you would think.

Now that is certainly a valid post.For the first point, that's because a) he was splitting goal-line carries (really losing them), b) he wasn't factored in the passing game, c) He insisted on playing when he wasn't fully recovered and Gruden allowed him to against his better judgement, further handicapping his numbers.

As per the second, your sample size is "all 2nd year starting RBs." I'd think if you took a sample size of "Stud RBs that had great hands that were in their 2nd year of a WCO which loved to pass to its RBs" you'd find those percentages are much higher.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm also a bit concerned about the Bucs schedule. They face CAR x 2, ATL x 2, BAL, PHI, NYG, DAL, WAS, CHI, PIT, SEA. Caddy looks like he will have to earn his yards.

 

[The Jerk]

If you read up on the other posts I had on Williams, you will see that I'm nowhere near as high on Williams, as his fantasy production (total points divided by total touches) was borderline terrible last year.  But this year is not last year . . .

As for second year RB with 50 receptions, there's been 40 of them since 1970.  In the past 10 years there's been:

Chris Perry 2005 51

Domanick Davis 2004 68

LaDainian Tomlinson 2002 79

Kevin Faulk 2000 51

Edgerrin James 2000 63

Duce Staley 1998 57

Terrell Fletcher 1996 61

Not saying it can't happen, only that it happens less than you would think.

Now that is certainly a valid post.For the first point, that's because a) he was splitting goal-line carries (really losing them), b) he wasn't factored in the passing game, c) He insisted on playing when he wasn't fully recovered and Gruden allowed him to against his better judgement, further handicapping his numbers.

As per the second, your sample size is "all 2nd year starting RBs." I'd think if you took a sample size of "Stud RBs that had great hands that were in their 2nd year of a WCO which loved to pass to its RBs" you'd find those percentages are much higher.

You forgot to add "and have not proven they can physically handle the rigor of a full NFL season after not carrying the full load in college either" to your quote.

 

[MLBrandow]

You forgot to add "and have not proven they can physically handle the rigor of a full NFL season after not carrying the full load in college either" to your quote.

Even Jim Flyntt or PewterReport.com knows that his injuries are not indicative of wear .

 

[The Jerk]

You forgot to add "and have not proven they can physically handle the rigor of a full NFL season after not carrying the full load in college either" to your quote.

Even Jim Flyntt or PewterReport.com knows that his injuries are not indicative of wear .

They're not my biggest concern, either. Yet he was injured last year, and that makes it even more likely that he will be spelled by both Mikes in 2006: Alstott inside the 5 and Pittman on 3rd downs.I don't see a huge uptick in TDs or receptions for Cadillac. As a result, he's unlikely to crack the top 10 RBs this year.