BigFishBigTeeth
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If Derrick Johnson were still with the Horns this year, Hawk would have been the second best LB on the field when they played in Columbus...
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Top 8 picks in the 2006 NFL draft (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
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I've not seen Carr play much. But I have Harrington and he sucks because he simply cannot read a defense. He is way to indecisive and if he hasn't "gotten" it yet, he probably won't. Leinart looks much better in college than Harrington ever did. Harrington went as high as he did due to the great Heisman sales job his college did his senior year. The Lions got snowed.This is true. I guess i'm more sold on Bush than I am on Leinert. Bush is gonna be a stud. Leinert...could be...but could also be a Carr/Harrington type. (though i will admit Carr and Harrington suck in large part to their O-lines).I don't think there's any question that, given the opportunity, you'd take the franchise QB over the franchise RB. Good running backs are easier to come by than good QBs.Of course, QBs bust at a higher rate than RBs too.
BoulderBob
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Andy Dufresne
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Sort of. There's a lot of depth at the O-Line position this year though. To have a chance at Leinart and not take it would be almost worse given they haven't had someone decent at QB since Bobby Layne.
Andy Dufresne
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Turner is in danger of being fired?BigFishBigTeeth
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just trying to get under your skin to be honest... Hawk is a freakin machine, but I do not know who I would pick between DJ and Hawk...
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Andy Dufresne
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Supply and demand was why it made sense to offer up the dough for Pace. But, that was this year, where there were a limited number of good linemen to go around. This next draft has much more potential.However, while it seems like a lot of money to spend on an O-Lineman with the first pick, they could hardly be faulted for it either.
When was the last time an O-Lineman went #1 overall?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Has it been figured out if Brady Quinn is coming out? You could see him go at #3 to NO. Another possiblility is Omar Jacobs from Bowling Green. Assuming they part ways with Brooks, which they should.
msommer
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Not that this necessarily is the case here but familiarity with college players - even succesful ones is not necessarily a lock to mean that they want to get them at all costsWhy (in this specific instance):
1) While the former college coach knows theie previous players' strengths - they certainly are also much more familiar than other coaches and scout teams with their weaknesses
2) Chow is 'only' a second year OC - Fisher and Reese will call the shots, although both coordinators will probably give a wish list
3) The Titans need a Tackle, Brad Hopkins is 35, guard Benji Olsen is 30, and Piller will be by the beginning of the season. Hartwig is a FA after this season. Tackle will be a priority in either FA or draft.
4) IF McNair does not retire - chances are he will redo his contract before the 50M bonus is to be paid, no way he ever believed that this bonus would be paid.
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Andy Dufresne
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Here's my top 8, assuming Quinn comes out and the order is as such. I'm pretty new at this, so be gentle.1. Texans – Matt Leinart, QB-USC2. 49ers – Reggie Bush, RB-USC3. Saints – Brady Quinn, QB-Notre Dame4. Jets – DeAngelo Williams, RB-Memphis5. Cardinals – Omar Jacobs, QB Bowling Green6. Ravens – D. Ferguson, OL-Virginia7. Titans – AJ Hawk, LB-Ohio State8. Packers – L. Maroney, RB-Minnesota
SouthJersey
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From Mort's chat on ESPN:Hans (Berkeley): Mort, of the teams projected to draft early next year, which are likely to go after Matt Leinart?SportsNation Chris Mortensen: It's going to be interesting. The 49ers (Alex Smith) and Texans (David Carr) have used the top pick on QBs. I think the Packers still would for Leinart, as would the Jets, Titans & cardinals. But I want to add that I think this is a very good QB class (and I'm always right, of course) - I think Brodie Croyle (Alabama), Jay Cutler (Vandy - a Brett Favre type) & Charlie Whitehurst (Clemson) are really worth a first-round looks.
SouthJersey
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Mort on Croyle:Jason (Music City): Chris, just wondering why you think so highly of Brodie Croyle. I believe his overall record is somewhere in the neighborhood of 16-10, and that's wit hsome of the best talent in the country around him (Bama is always full of talent). I'm not sure if he's even a top-5 SEC QB this year, or even the best QB in the state.SportsNation Chris Mortensen: You're flat out wrong. Forget Croyle's record. His arm is better than Leinart's, his moxie is right there and, contrary to your statement, the Crimson Tide's talent at WR is young, inexperienced and the O has been hurt since Prothro left the lineup. I do have conerns about Croyle's durability for the NFL - I think he needs more time in the weight room.
those are all good points. I dont think its makes leinart or bush a lock to be a titan whatsoever, but i think it could be a deciding factor if the grade on one of them and another option is very close.the titans could very well be in the same position as the texans, trade down to get an OT from the deep class and stock up on draft picks in the process.
Chaos Commish
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I think the Saints are interested in developing McPherson. If not, they should be. Rumblings in the grapevine are pretty certain Quinn will return to play for Weiss another year. It could add 10 million to his bonus, ya know? The Irish will be vastly improved on defense next year and if Quinn and both WRs stay... well, they have to believe a National Championship run is realistic. Jacobs has great natural ability and instincts, but his sidearm delivery is... a bit much for my liking.
Andy Dufresne
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How high do you take him? I mean really, do you pay #1 overall money to an o-lineman?Maybe you do and I just don't know it.3 teams drafting in the top 5 picks that NEED Oline help in the worst kind of way imaginable and yet D. Ferguson falls to #6. That was all I needed to read to think these are.
Andy Dufresne
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I thought the general consensus was that he looked terrible at the NFL level. Maybe he's gotten better?
Chitown Mole
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So what? that comes out to 6-3 and take away the Texans victory and those teams are 5-4 (avg). Also, the Texans were historically bad not having one single lead for one single second until week 7 vs the Browns (broke a record that stood since 1933). This team may win a few more games but they are just awful.This is how we stack up against a mediocre Chiefs team...
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Chaos Commish
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I didn't pay much attention to his situation this preseason, but you're probably right if that's what you remember. The last I remember is the Dolphins were hoping he got released, which sort of validates him looking terrible. Still, he has such solid tools, he deserves a few seasons to develop. I think.I thought the general consensus was that he looked terrible at the NFL level. Maybe he's gotten better?
Rockchild
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This is the type of information that validates my belief that this is the best board for information. I don't follow college ball very closely and like to rely on this type of positive discussion. There is a thread going on about what has happened to the message board at FBG and for all the negativity that is out there this type of thread more than makes up for it. Keep the info coming and thanks for supplying positive discussion.
msommer
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OAK paid #3 moneyHow high do you take him? I mean really, do you pay #1 overall money to an o-lineman?Maybe you do and I just don't know it.3 teams drafting in the top 5 picks that NEED Oline help in the worst kind of way imaginable and yet D. Ferguson falls to #6. That was all I needed to read to think these are
Bush to the Texans would be even worse than the ridiculous trade up to pick Jason Babin. He's undersized and can't even start at RB for his college team. No way he holds up as an everydown back in the NFL. He's a lot closer to Dave Megget or Eric Metcalf than Emmit Smith or Walter Payton.For a team with as many needs as the Texans, the right move is to trade down and stockpile picks. Let someone else blow a top 5 pick on Bush.
Colin Dowling
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He has the draft order wrong.As it is now, Leinart would be gone to the Titans at #2. The Jets are slotted at #3 right now anyway.Colin
Challenge Everything
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Have not seen many Packer fans comment here so I will chime in. I could see them going one of two ways. They need OL help but with such a supposed deep draft at this position I could see them waiting till round 2 to draft one. Drafting one in the first would only happen if they move back in the draft and maybe gain another 1st round pick later. Also, it depends how much further they fall in the draft because they will not end this season with only 2 wins. This way is the the 2nd way I see them going.The way I see them going is drafting defensive line in the first or possibly LB. An impact player on the line would benefit the Packers more then any other position right now. While Sherman had his failures drafting at this position the Packers now have Ted Thompson and Bates with much better input onto who to draft. Somebody able to work within Bates' system is going to be huge and make a huge impact on the Packers. The defense is not bad now but this year is learning of Bates' system.The way the Packers should not go is offense. They should not be drafting any running back or any other offensive position save OG. The offense is hurting now but look who they have lost. Everybody this year and the only good thing about them losing people is that they lost them early in the year rather then later. Walker, Driver, Ferguson at WR. Franks and possibly Martin at TE. Green comes back in his last year, Davenport is back although they would need to sign him, and Fisher is back as well. GULP, if they decide not to sign Davenport then Gado could be a nice RB3 on the team. While Green is older and injury prone, to a point, he is still a viable RB. This offense was the #1 offense in the NFC last year without any injuries. Packers should be looking to go DL first and OG second and DL/LB third. Unless free agency grabs these positions this is what should be taken care of.
Colin Dowling
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YEs, right now Houston has pick 1 and Tennessee is the worst 2 loss team, foillowed by the nYJets.Colin
diesel7982
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beto
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Article on Mario Williams development:Chip Alexander, Staff WriterManny Lawson, smiling and shaking his head, said Mario Williams simply amazed him.No, not Saturday in N.C. State's 20-14 victory over Maryland. Not by making four of the Pack's seven sacks and generally causing havoc on defense. Lawson has seen all that before.It was the day before the game, Lawson said. The Pack's two defensive ends were watching Maryland game film, and Williams was impressing Lawson with his thorough preparation."As soon as they were in a formation, Mario would call out 'Running play,' and it was a run," Lawson said. "The next play, it was 'That's a pass,' and it was a pass. "I mean, the guy's an incredible athlete. But the knowledge he had of the game and what would happen. ... I knew he was ready."Ready? Williams' four sacks gave him 13 for the season, breaking the school record of 11 set by Tyler Lawrence in 1993. His 24 career sacks also tied Lawrence's record. He made it a long, mostly miserable day for Maryland quarterback Sam Hollenbach.Not bad for a guy who wasn't certain he would be able to play.Williams said he has been fighting a staph infection in his right leg. It kept the 6-foot-7, 290-pound junior out of practice before the Middle Tennessee game a week ago and has curtailed his practice."It was the worst kind you can have," Williams said. "They say if I had waited another day for treatment, there's was no way I probably could have practiced or played."I had it last Saturday [against Middle Tennessee]. It affected me. But thankfully I got treatment that worked on Tuesday."NCSU coach Chuck Amato said there were concerns about Williams' stamina, especially if the Wolfpack defense spent too much time on the field. That happened in the first half as the Terps ran 40 plays to the Pack's 21 and held the ball for more than 20 minutes.But State's defense was a more aggressive, efficient bunch in the second half, and its offense finally began to move the ball and the chains. The Terps had 118 yards in total offense in the last two periods, and Hollenbach lost a fumble after a Williams hit while having two passes intercepted -- the first returned 28 yards by State's Marcus Hudson for a touchdown."Mario has had about three games this year that he has completely taken over," Amato said. "He played a heck of a game. We knew our ends would be a challenge for their tackles."There has been much speculation that Williams could enter the NFL Draft after this season, passing up his senior year. The former Richlands High star has said he would lean toward turning pro if he is guaranteed of being the first defensive end taken or of being a high first-round draft choice.So Williams could have been playing his last game at Carter-Finley Stadium as well as the 20 Wolfpack seniors."That's why I had to play today -- for the seniors," Williams said. "I was going to go out there and do all I could to get a win for them. I had to do my part. I just cut it loose."And left Lawson smiling, again.
Uncle Pete
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Will LenDale White go before Maroney?
madviking10
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:kneeslap:Vikings get into the top 10, let the draft timer expire and miss out Hawk/Greenway/ Ryans.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
What's the updated draft order based on the results of this week?
msommer
Footballguy
Not sure of the exact order but HOU is alone in front at 1-10, three teams at 2-9: NYJ, GB, SF, followed by four teams at 3-8, ARI, BAL, NO, TENI haven't looked at tie breakers - but within the conferences NFL ranks HOU (lowest), NYJ, TEN then BAL and GB, SF, NO then ARI
My guess would then be
HOU
GB
NYJ
SF
NO
ARI
TEN
BAL
Andy Dufresne
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1. Houston - Leinart2. Green Bay - Bush3. NYJ - FurgusonHouston trades Leinart to the Jets for Ferguson and a pick (assuming the Jets don't trade up outright).4. SF49 - A.J. Hawk. NFL's worst defense takes the #1 defensive player.5. NO - Chad Greenway6. Ari - DeAngelo Williams 7. Ten - Jimmy Williams 8. Bal - Mario Williams (Unless Brady Quinn comes out. )Hey, that's a lot of Williams in a row. Is that some sort of record?
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msommer
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Good listtwo questions:ARI taking a RB - will they let JJ flop? If the GM is fired maybe. Denny? Whoever picked JJ Arrigton will look like a moron if they do this. Potentially trading the pick to a RB needy team to jump ahead of TEN?I really think they should get OL help here.TEN taking another DB in the 1st - I'd think they would take a Tackle if there is one with top 10 grade and if there is not maybe White? Alternatively Reese will try to trade down to get more picks and a lower ranked tackle in the 1st
Andy Dufresne
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If they can get DeAngelo Williams? Almost certainly. And anyway, JJ has let himself flop this year. Another possibility, provided Denny stays, is Omar Jacobs. I think he's the wild-card in the top 10 picks.
Tackle is a possibility for almost any team once we get Leinart/Bush/Hawk off the board. But TEN plays in a division with the Colts and adding another good CB to the mix (Pac Man appears to be improving) makes sense as the Titans only have 8 interceptions this year.
Agreed on Jacobs having an outside shot to get in the top 10 picks, and its hard to not consider Arizona as a viable candidate to take him. Agreed on TEN at least looking at a DB with a big hole opposite pac man, although just as quickly as andre woolfolk is fading, rookie reynaldo "with a y" hill is coming on. I agree that a guy like Eric Winston would be more likely there.My top 8 right now:
1. NY Jets (from Houston) - Matt Leinart QB, USC- agreed that the jets should and will do everything they can to get him.
2. Green Bay - Reggie Bush, RB, GB - no brainer.
3. Houston - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT, UVA - no brainer unless winston grades out better, then its winston.
4. SF - Jimmy Williams, DB, Va Tech - as much as i like hawk, i dont think LB is an important enough position to spend this high a pick on in a 3-4. The nice thing about Jimmy williams is that he's versatile enough to be used all around the defense with his size and speed, and he'll give the secondary much, much needed help. I could also see SF trading down here to a team that is hot to trot for the other tackle left on the board. I think Ngata is probably as perfect a 3-4 NT as you ask for, so he's a possibility, although i think the niners really like sopoaga.
5. NO- A.J. Hawk, LB, OSU - exactly what the doctor ordered for this flaccid defense.
6. Ari - Omar Jacobs, QB, Bowling Green - Winston is hard to pass on here, but i think the cards will give the line one more year to gel next year, and it could happen if guys like ross, stepanovich, and elton brown stay healthy. QB is the glaring need here, and shots at guys with tools like Jacobs's dont come along often, even when you're a perennial top 10 picker.
7. Ten - Eric Winston, OT, Miami(FL) - The Titans rejoice as the franchise tackle to replace Hopkins falls to them.
8. Bal - Haloti Ngata, DT, Oregon - The immovable beast that Baltimore needs up front to free up guys like Suggs and Ray Ray to make plays. Mario Williams also makes complete sense here.
cstu
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Hawk is tougher and can take on blockers better than Derrick Johnson. Both are good, but Derrick Johnson is too much of a finesse guy for my taste.just trying to get under your skin to be honest... Hawk is a freakin machine, but I do not know who I would pick between DJ and Hawk...
Andy Dufresne
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But to whom?Bush and Leinart are in the top 3. Ferguson is top 5, obviously.
If SF doesn't go defense, somebody should lose their job.
So in this scenario, NO takes Winston?
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Andy Dufresne
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That would make sense to the 9'ers if they could do it. Lots of talent at LB this year with Hawk, Greenway, Ahmad Brooks, and DeMeco Ryans, plus a smattering of good d-linemen and d-backs.
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Titans will absolutely not move up to get Leinart..or Bush, for that matter. Titans will take either an OT or a LB with their first pick. It is doubtful that OT Brad Hopkins will return next year. They'd go for a safety...if their was one to pick but it appears none are of that quality.Titans will take an OT / LB or move down.
That having been said, IF McNair commits to a couple of more years, I expect them to trade Volek and get a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. They can probably get a late 1st or early 2nd for Volek. I'm thinking they'll get someone along the lines of Jay Cutler in the 2nd or 3rd, depending upon what they get for Volek.
I know the Titans were a longshot to trade up for Leinart, but it was fun speculation. OT makes complete sense for them and therell be prospects worthy of their top half of the first pick. I also think a guy like Michael Huff could creep into consideration if they are looking at safeties.
Kiddnets
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I doubt the Jets invest another $60M in a QB in the draft. Even though Chad is likely done - he is on the books for an ungodly cap hit for at least 2 more years. I think the Jets will draft the stud RB and bring in a moderately priced veteran to challenge Chad rather than replace him.
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