jdoggydogg
Footballguy
If you download a song you love for $1.29, I think that's a bargain. A bottle of Coke is about $1.29. Would you say that one bottle of Coke gives you more pleasure than a song you can listen to 100 times?
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Statorama
Footballguy
Whatya gonna do when they're coming for you?
Producers of "The Hurt Locker" suing people that downloaded the movie off of BitTorrent
Producers of "The Hurt Locker" suing people that downloaded the movie off of BitTorrent
videoguy505
Footballguy
Yeah, not sure what this all means. There's some more discussion of this in the Hurt Locker specific thread. TimeWarner isn't helping them much with their claim, but it'll be interesting to see how it all shakes out.
From the Yale Law School Information Society Project blog:
Glee and copyright. The whole thing is worth reading, but here's an excerpt:
Glee and copyright. The whole thing is worth reading, but here's an excerpt:
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Maybe at the Law school level defenders claim this, but as this thread pretty clearly demonstrates those that defend modern copyright law have been conditioned to believe that any of this is simply stealing. There are no competing interest to be compromised, merely the property rights of the copyright holder. And the masses on the other side of the debate aren't usually worried about any of the interest of the copyright holder either. So the debate to find the proper balance is largely absent in all of this.
I thought your IP was unique to your computer?
Notorious T.R.E.
Showdown!™ Administrator
Joe -
Just get Tremendous Upside interested in your buddy's bands. He'll then travel the earth buying tickets to every show they have and spend hours and hours telling ifriends about them.
He can single handedly make them rich with his fandom.
Just get Tremendous Upside interested in your buddy's bands. He'll then travel the earth buying tickets to every show they have and spend hours and hours telling ifriends about them.
He can single handedly make them rich with his fandom.
Johnnymac
Footballguy
I guess I should have said that it was leeched from my IP.They can do that?I thought your IP was unique to your computer?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
So what's the best current torrent program to download?
[i'm not religious]
Oops, never mind. Just read Joe's OP. I have no "big picture" issues to discuss.
[i'm not religious]
Oops, never mind. Just read Joe's OP. I have no "big picture" issues to discuss.
Statorama
Footballguy
Which one of you board lawyers was this?
biggamer3
Footballguy
anyone a member of http://hd-torrents.org?
They have all the movies in HD, just what i need, i would appreciate an invite if you are a member there. Pm please
They have all the movies in HD, just what i need, i would appreciate an invite if you are a member there. Pm please
doowain
Footballguy
Actually, for musicians struggling to get their careers off the ground, I'd think torrents would be a good thing. It gets your name out there and people can listen to you for free without purchasing. These days no one wants to take a chance on a CD without knowing that they'll like it. If they can't hear you on the radio, it's the next best thing.
jwb
Footballguy
If the artist consents to this, hey, that's cool. But if they don't, then it's nothing more than self-justification on the downloader's part.Truthfully, the whole "sampling" thing is a bit of a myth (imho) - really, how many downloaders really just look to sample, then run out to iTunes to legally purchase something they just downloaded? I'm sure there's one or two, but I'll guess it's far from the norm.
Osaurus
Footballguy
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
In my "Do you steal music/are you religious" thread, someone posted a link that showed those who 'steal' music are actually more likely to buy a lot more music than the average consumer. And most musicians make their $ from live shows...I'm not going to a show if I or someone I know hasn't heard them. And I'm not going to buy a cd if I haven't heard the song. To be fair, I *never* buy cd's anymore. I honestly cannot recall the last time I bought one. And between torrents and free sites like grooveshark I download or stream all my music (though I do buy an occasional song via itunes). But I go to a LOT of shows. My record is 23 in 1 month. And it's not unusual for me to hit 1-3 shows a week. Whether it's right or wrong to download music is irrelevant. It happens. So to stick your head in the sand and say it's not fair doesn't accomplish a damned thing. Musicians need to figure out how to get with the times or get out of the music business.
jwb
Footballguy
assuming these young, struggling bands can do a national tour and come to your area, of course. But otherwise, that's really just more self-justification.Again, if the artist is cool w/ releasing their stuff on torrent, great - I'm all for it for the reasons you guys are talking about. They are indeed good reasons, too.
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that's how I justify it. I never would've bought the stuff to begin with...they make no $ off me. I torrent something...they make no $ off me.
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
did you even read the first post or the title of this thread?
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Phurfur
Footballguy
Aren't you the clever and informed consumer!Coke did not raise their prices 30% in January 09 when the country was facing "the worst recession in the history of the universe". Coke prices are controlled by "supply and demand" while MP3’s fall under the category of "what the market will bear". There is an infinite supply of MP3's with no added cost. I hope you keep buying because my Apple stock has quadrupled since early 09. With savvy consumers like you expect to pay much more in the future.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
WTF are you talking about?
rolyaTy
You're Heinous
I think of it kinda like this: remember how in olden times the baseball games were played in stadiums such that people outside of the stadiums could watch the games and avoid the entrance fees? Sure, they were much further away from the game, but they were seeing for free what the others paid to see it, and by doing so, they were not taking away anything from those who wanted the better seats, to watch the game.
The game was going on, and some additional eyes outside of the stadium didn't take anything away from the game being played, or the enjoyment of those who paid to see it.
That's not exactly the same as downloading a song, but it's similar to me. People who do it, generally, are not the same people who would've paid for the music to begin with, and by downloading it, they're taking nothing away that diminishes from the product or stock of things being sold.
Now, I'm not condoning it at all, I'm just saying that to me, downloading music and/or Dvd's is similar to watching a baseball game from the outside of the stadium...nothing taken from those who pay, but still getting to enjoy a game you wouldn't have paid to see otherwise.
The game was going on, and some additional eyes outside of the stadium didn't take anything away from the game being played, or the enjoyment of those who paid to see it.
That's not exactly the same as downloading a song, but it's similar to me. People who do it, generally, are not the same people who would've paid for the music to begin with, and by downloading it, they're taking nothing away that diminishes from the product or stock of things being sold.
Now, I'm not condoning it at all, I'm just saying that to me, downloading music and/or Dvd's is similar to watching a baseball game from the outside of the stadium...nothing taken from those who pay, but still getting to enjoy a game you wouldn't have paid to see otherwise.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Let's say someone got a new iPod. Let's say that person loves club music but has no idea what the names of the songs are.How might that person find out the names of those hot club hits?
PM LHUCKS
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
That's the only music that gets me going on the treadmill/elliptical machine.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I like club musicThat's the only music that gets me going on the treadmill/elliptical machine.
Phurfur
Footballguy
SoundHound
cstu
Footballguy
The people in the Wrigley rooftops are thieves!
cstu
Footballguy
If it makes you feel any better, LHUCKS found the movie fascinating.I guess I should have said that it was leeched from my IP.They can do that?I thought your IP was unique to your computer?
Scoresman
Footballguy
still stealing. the people doing it don't care what the moral high horse brigade thinks about it.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
My initial reaction was to agree with this. But after reading through the first few pages and thinking about my own experiences, I'm split. The whole discussion about Youtube and Pandora for instance. At one time I was able to record audio from my computer to a wav. If I let Pandora play for several hours and recorded it to listen later, is that stealing? I've recorded movies on my DVR and left it there for months, watching it several times opting to not buy the DVD or Blu Ray.
What about iTunes - I have 1000s of songs synced to my ipod. Would it be wrong for me to give the ipod to my son (we do like a lot of the same music) and I just use my iTunes library? Or upload those same files to a cloud service and listen on multiple devices at my convenience? Can I share my log in info with my wife? Or should we buy multiple versions so we can each listen at our jobs? What if I upload my library from home, go to work and download those files to my office network so others can copy them? Is it stealing even if those coworkers have no intention of ever buying that music but listen anyway at their convenience?
I listen to mostly live music I've acquired from torrent sites that operate with bands' permission. A lot of the bands I like, I found from live music torrenting. Some I've never bought any of their commercial products - but do go to their live shows, something I never would have done if not for live music sharing.
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Wingnut
Footballguy
I suppose when us old folks used to record songs from our boom boxes onto cassette tapes that was stealing, too....at least these days you can steal a whole song - back then the songs ususlly had the DJ talking up until just before the first lyrics....and we were okay with that.
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Scoresman
Footballguy
Wingnut
Footballguy
Excellent term coined here.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Or is it only stealing if you don't delete from your DVR? Is there a time limit on keeping DVR'd movies? What if I DVR a movie, unsubscribe from the channel I recorded it from, and then watch it multiple times over the course of a year and never buy the DVD?
So many nits to pick.
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17seconds
root of all aliai
In both of those scenarios you were listening/watching the media through a distribution channel with business relationships that enabled royalties for the artist.
artist<->distribution company<->radio/tv<->consumer
radio/tv enabled the artist to get paid with subscription money or ad revenue
Amused to Death
Footballguy
What if I could subscribe to HBO (maybe even a free 1-month trial), record round the clock for a day to a large hard drive, unsubscribe, and keep my recordings? I'll now have 12 movies I'll never buy. Then my neighbors come over and we watch a few of them.
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17seconds
root of all aliai
If you subscribed to HBO you paid for the movies through HBO.
If you circumvent paying by doing a free trial, cancelling, or yelling at a billing supervisor it's simply product fallout. You still went through their system. You could say that for any product.
If a supermarket has a promotion where you get a free gallon of milk that's not the same as going in and grabbing a free milk whenever you feel like it.
17seconds
root of all aliai
Oh good, I can take my video camera into the theatre with me then, I mean I went through their system.
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