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Torture-does it work? (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
Yes, in my non-firsthand experienced opinion.
The General
Footballguy
THe new Secretary of Defense said not really. I'll go with him.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
This answer will sound crazy but I don't think our government or police should torture people in any way. However, if you are the person directly impacted - your kid is missing, your family was murdered, whatever - if you have the balls to torture that person to try and get them to say something then I'd allow it.
Also, before anybody asks - I doubt I could do it. Maybe but it seems unlikely.
Also, before anybody asks - I doubt I could do it. Maybe but it seems unlikely.
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fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I'd love someone to explain why we shouldn't torture this sack of #### that mowed down a group of innocent people yesterday?
We know he did it, he is bragging about it, and proud - why don't we make him miserable and fill his pathetic life with pain for as long as possible?
We know he did it, he is bragging about it, and proud - why don't we make him miserable and fill his pathetic life with pain for as long as possible?
toshiba
Footballguy
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I'm going to go with the 8th amendment as an answer.
Alternatively I sometimes go with Gus McCrae. These lives are lost for good son and giving pain for pain won't bring em back.
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-OZ-
Footballguy
You're seeking vengeance, not answers. So a bit different than the original question in this thread.
If you really need to be told why we don't torture people for kicks, you're not likely to accept answers here.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
As to the original question, well planned and over time it works. The problem is, those who engage in it are not likely to trust obtained information anyhow.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
You are correct, I don't need to be told, I fully understand. I can summarize:
There are groups of people who think they're excellent human beings, they feel they're so special, they think they're loaded with empathy - these individuals think that they're really doing something to advance the human race and it is a blessing that there are others who share their viewpoints. The thought of vengeance seems so childish and barbaric to them, and maybe if we all thought like they did, the world would be a better place.
Let me clue you in a little; these ISIS sympathizers and those that came before them cannot and will not be helped. They are animals, and being animals, should be treated as such. No matter how good these people think they are and no matter how much empathy they show, there will be plenty more barbaric monsters that come along - when we get one red handed, we should punish them and make them feel pain.
Kanil
Footballguy
The problem is, once you're torturing someone they'll tell you anything to get you to stop. The info gained from torture is often completely made up just to get you to stop.
The Commish
Footballguy
This is emphatically true regardless of torturing them or not. So, at this point, torture isn't a deterrent, it's being a #### to be a ####. I don't need to sink to their level. I'll pass
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
This is emphatically true regardless of torturing them or not. So, at this point, torture isn't a deterrent, it's being a #### to be a ####. I don't need to sink to their level. I'll pass
The Commish
Footballguy
Nice swing and a miss....it's all in my post, but I'm not interested in attempting to show you how it's different. I know you don't care.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I don't need to sink to their level. I'll pass
-OZ-
Footballguy
Please "clue me in."
It's not about them, it's not about showing them empathy. It's about how we choose to conduct ourselves.
I'll clarify. I'm not against killing, I'm not against war. I am against having our people torture someone.
Fred Lane
Footballguy
There are several motives for torture: 1) Try to get information; 2) Try to coerce to change views, 3) Use publicly as a deterrent, 4) For spite or revenge, 5) For the fun/high of it (i.e. as some serial killers do), 6) Driven by some belief (i.e. religious) that requires it, and I am sure there are others.
Generally, I am opposed of torture for the benevolence of plea bargaining. I think due process with the death penalty applies in this case over torture. If you don't want the death penalty, tell me something useful and the results will weigh in a potentially different outcome, but not guaranteed. If the information proves useful to save innocent lives, that is most successful. I don't have remorse if the death penalty is invoked, and should ultimately save the taxpayers' money on unnecessary expenses (like room and board to keep this thing alive).
Generally, I am opposed of torture for the benevolence of plea bargaining. I think due process with the death penalty applies in this case over torture. If you don't want the death penalty, tell me something useful and the results will weigh in a potentially different outcome, but not guaranteed. If the information proves useful to save innocent lives, that is most successful. I don't have remorse if the death penalty is invoked, and should ultimately save the taxpayers' money on unnecessary expenses (like room and board to keep this thing alive).
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Does not seeking vengeance on an animal make us better people? Maybe, but it sure as #### would make me feel better (even if it was brief) if I was close to a victim.
-OZ-
Footballguy
On behalf of all non-human animals, please stop referring to these thugs as animals.
Unless of course you enjoy torturing animals, then that's a whole different issue.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I strive for universal moral principles. In my experience such matters can break down or become a bit ragged at the extreme ends. Regardless, I strive again, and I understand in the striving that failure always lurks.
The Commish
Footballguy
I don't need to sink to their level. I'll pass
-OZ-
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
My 11 year old son asked if they would torture the U-haul driver guy from yesterday while we were discussing it at dinner last night.
I told him we don't do that because it is wrong and also that it doesn't really work because people will often just tell you what they think you want to hear rather than the truth.
I told him we don't do that because it is wrong and also that it doesn't really work because people will often just tell you what they think you want to hear rather than the truth.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Good dinner conversation.
Big kudos to actually talking to your kids over dinner, good answer too.
Jayrod
Footballguy
I kinda bounce back and forth with my son. He is very intelligent and very curious, but he will grill me about some of the worst stuff that I know he isn't emotionally ready for yet. Sometimes it is super annoying and sometimes it is a good chance to teach him about the world.Good dinner conversation.
This one happened because I was filling in my wife and he heard a snippet and asked the question. I have no idea where he actually learned about torture.
Also, this was another example of my education in the FFA coming in handy in the real world. Not sure I'd have ever thought to give the answer I did without reading about torture in here.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Sounds like my 12yo. His older brother never initiated the deep conversations, but son 2, the self professed nerd, is all about this stuff. (Not just torture but trying to sound smart)
Boston
Footballguy
I think we need to find more politically correct means of torture...instead of waterboarding they could be made to watch episodes of Will and Grace or better yet watch Lawrence O'Donnell...that way we can get info that will save lives while also helping MSNBC's ratings...I think everyone would be OK with that...
Jayrod
Footballguy
It's crazy how different siblings can be. My daughter (7) will probably never ask a question like this in her entire life. She is perfectly content to enjoy playing silly games in her own little world. My son has to know everything about everything.
Epic Problem
Footballguy
You seem rather in tune with the ISIS mindset. I think we should torture you to see how much you really know.
RBM
Footballguy
I don't think it is a matter of sinking to their level. It's a punishment for a crime. Actions & Consequences. Some people feel physical pain is not an appropriate consequence and some people do.
I'm all for pain and killing some of these m'f rapist, pedos, murderers, etc...
I'd let the victim (or victim's legal rep) have a say.
I would imagine it depends on the situation as to whether it retrieves vital information. Sure, the person will tell you something, right or wrong, but if it is an emergency or meets some threshold of need (location of Bin Laden?) then I'm open to hearing from experts pro and con.
I'm all for pain and killing some of these m'f rapist, pedos, murderers, etc...
I'd let the victim (or victim's legal rep) have a say.
I would imagine it depends on the situation as to whether it retrieves vital information. Sure, the person will tell you something, right or wrong, but if it is an emergency or meets some threshold of need (location of Bin Laden?) then I'm open to hearing from experts pro and con.
Kanil
Footballguy
Disagreeing with the constitution doesn't equal hating the constitution. There are certain crimes that I think warrant the worst possible death.
msommer
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Think about all the "witches" they got to admit their evil ways.
Working as intended.
Working as intended.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
http://nypost.com/2017/11/01/why-terror-suspect-attacked-on-halloween/
Man, if they offered me the job to torture this guy, I'd accept under any condition.
Hey FC, head of the CIA here, I've got a job to offer that involves torturing this piece of ####. It pays $12 an hour, you have to work 12 hour days 7 days a week, and you get one 15 minute break per day.
Sign me the #### up!
Man, if they offered me the job to torture this guy, I'd accept under any condition.
Hey FC, head of the CIA here, I've got a job to offer that involves torturing this piece of ####. It pays $12 an hour, you have to work 12 hour days 7 days a week, and you get one 15 minute break per day.
Sign me the #### up!
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