Judge Smails
Footballguy
Didn’t want this to end. So much fun
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Trade Deadline Thread (1 Viewer)
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Disappointing Cooks didn't get moved.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
who needs the FantasyLife app when we have you three?
kylechoffman
Footballguy
Time to turn this thread into post-analysis on every trade from today.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Just FYI Colts got Zack Moss in the deal
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Don’t ruin it for us
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yeah. Wondering how long I jkeep him with injuries and bye weeks. Not a ton of production this year.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
The Chubb trade makes a lot of sense for Denver though. Mortgaged their draft for Wilson, need to stockpile.
Huge downgrade from Chubb to Martin (other trade they made) but I think they're counting on Baron Browning and Nik Bonnito to pan out. Plus Randy Gregory should be active week 10, he's been out since WK 3.
-OZ-
Footballguy
plus, they aren’t doing squat this year.
Oh yeah, I loved the Chubb trade for Denver. I'm not sure Bonnito and maybe even Browning aren't better players going forward.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Deadline winner: Fish getting Chubb
Deadline loser: Aaron Rodgers not getting a wide receiver
Deadline loser: Aaron Rodgers not getting a wide receiver
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Browning is hurt rn and Bonitto is currently a rotational guy (big sack in London though.) Both should continue to develop but you know how that goes - far from a sure thing.
I’m just trying to figure out if I want to hold DEN DT or pivot to another option. NE is my main DT and I’ll probably keep the Broncos through WK 10 & revisit. They kind of pair nicely with the Pats schedule; not as confident in them short term.
Couldnt have happened to a nicer guy.
They should have gotten Claypool. But that's what happens when your QB robs the kitty.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Supposedly they were the front runner for Claypool this morning. Then the Bears sweetened their offer
Even better
Cooks not being traded makes zero sense for the Texans. If it was because Cooks would not rearrange his contract then shame on him.
The Texans really are run poorly though. Not because of Cooks not being traded, the owner and front office are train wrecks...
They need as many picks as possible to rebuild the mess there... smh
The Texans really are run poorly though. Not because of Cooks not being traded, the owner and front office are train wrecks...
They need as many picks as possible to rebuild the mess there... smh
kylechoffman
Footballguy
Interested to hear thoughts on A St Brown, Freiermuth, D Cook and the rest of the skill players in Minn.
Mostert beat out Wilson in SF. Not sure why you think Wilson will be the guy over Mostert in Miami. I think it's just insurance and he is a better fit for the offense than Edmonds was.
Has played better this year than Mostlyhurt.
Break it down based on 11 or more carries which favors Mostert (rush attempts and FF points):
Wilson
9 - 4
18 -11
12 - 11
18 - 13
17 - 25
7 - 0
7 - 5
4 - 5
Mostert
5 - 3
11 - 10
8 - 1
15 - 9
18 - 23
14 - 5
16 - 20
14 - 7
Receiving numbers are about equal. Mostert has 13-97 yards. Wilson has 10-91 yards.
I see a trend where, if Wilson gets 11 or more carries (especially behind a better OLine), Wilson supplants brittle boy this week.
Not entirely apples to apples since they were on different teams. Sure a similar system but being on different teams matters a lot.
ETA: When they were both on the same team, Mostert beat out Wilson. That matters more to me as to who will get the bulk of work over these numbers.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
So...in other words....the Bears OWNED Rodgers.
Revenge is a dish best served cold.
fatness
Footballguy
Isn't Singletary signed only through this season?
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Maybe, but now they have 3 similar backs and have both leverage when re-upping Singletary and depth. Bills are stronger with Hines than with Moss.
nittanylion
Footballguy
...and now, back to our regularly scheduled programming!
Insein
Footballguy
If Browns weren't getting any picks better than what they would get as comp when Hunt signs in Free agency, then there's no need to move him.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Owner Stephen Ross hardly in the building a full week and had to make sure he won the Trade Deadline Headlines with his 5-3 Miami Dolphins
Chubb trade, they needed something in that Front7, I've been posting about it more weeks if not months.
Miami still has Philips, Ogbah, Ingram, Van Ginkel, Trey Flowers(IR) and Christian Wilkins so Chubb is going to help all of these guys increase the number of times QBs drop back and are either pressured, knocked down or sacked. Miami was 4th worst before they got Chubb and things have not been working well. He was badly needed in Miami and for the Dolphins to try and compete on the next level.
Wilson allows Miami to run the ball when they mount quick leads with Waddle and Hill. Miami should be able to go on longer more complete drives and rest their defense so they can tee off in the 2nd half of these football games and create turnovers for shorter fields and expanded leads. Time will tell but that seems to be the plan so far.
Chubb trade, they needed something in that Front7, I've been posting about it more weeks if not months.
Miami still has Philips, Ogbah, Ingram, Van Ginkel, Trey Flowers(IR) and Christian Wilkins so Chubb is going to help all of these guys increase the number of times QBs drop back and are either pressured, knocked down or sacked. Miami was 4th worst before they got Chubb and things have not been working well. He was badly needed in Miami and for the Dolphins to try and compete on the next level.
Wilson allows Miami to run the ball when they mount quick leads with Waddle and Hill. Miami should be able to go on longer more complete drives and rest their defense so they can tee off in the 2nd half of these football games and create turnovers for shorter fields and expanded leads. Time will tell but that seems to be the plan so far.
Hartliner
Footballguy
We kind of seen some NFL in-season trades thus far (Claypool, Gregory), but can we see anything that might be of interest fantasy wise?
Gonna parse some offensive skill player's names here from an article
Quarterback:
Gonna parse some offensive skill player's names here from an article
Quarterback:
- Mason Rudolph Steelers >
- Davis Mills Texans >
- D'Onta Foreman Bears >
- Michael Carter Jets >
- Rashaad Penny Eagles >
- Isaiah Spiller Chargers >
- Davante Adams Raiders >
- Marquise Brown Cards >
- Jerry Jeudy Broncos >
- Courtland Sutton Broncos >
- Hunter Renfrow Raiders >
- Darnell Mooney Bears >
- Rondale Moore Cards >
- Mecole Hardman Jets >
- JuJu Smith-Schuster Patriots >
- Terrace Marshall Panthers >
- Sterling Shepard Giants >
- Parris Campbell Giants >
- K.J. Osborn Vikings >
- Zach Ertz Cards >
- C.J. Uzomah Jets >
- Tommy Tremble Panthers >
- Mo Alie-Cox Colts >
Timmay
Footballguy
I'm most interested to see what happens in Minnesota and Denver.
Minnesota: Has an easier schedule coming up outside of a couple teams, with all division games left. They could still finish 9-8 or even 10-7 with a shot at playoffs. Interested to see if they wrap it up after the JJ injury. Could get interesting if they trade Cousins.
Denver: I think a fire sale is coming so Payton can get "his guys" in there, at least that will be the excuse for a terrible first season.
Minnesota: Has an easier schedule coming up outside of a couple teams, with all division games left. They could still finish 9-8 or even 10-7 with a shot at playoffs. Interested to see if they wrap it up after the JJ injury. Could get interesting if they trade Cousins.
Denver: I think a fire sale is coming so Payton can get "his guys" in there, at least that will be the excuse for a terrible first season.
Mentioned this in another thread but we have an enormously large amount of still viable older RB's on the final year of their contract, or effective final year that play on teams that look to already be out of it. In fact their are so many bad teams this year that I think in general that's why we've already seen a decent amount of trades, I think we had 3 last week.
So on that note I'd throw out some of these fantasy relevant names:
QB:
Cousins-has a no trade clause and really not sure a buyer exists right now for a one year rental but if Cousins is amenable things can change in next 3 weeks of games.
Not sure overly fantasy relevant but could see Texans moving Mills or Keenum if a QB need crops up for a team.
RB:
Barkley-makes to much sense really
Henry-how team does over next few weeks could determine if they make him available
Jacobs-like Henry how they do over next few weeks matters
James Conner-his injury makes this a longer shot but I do believe you can trade a player on IR but the whole passing a physical part might be an issue.
***these next 2 were just signed this off-season so before you say I'm nuts there is precedent, Saints with Adrian Peterson being one. Maybe the only one but it's happened. Things change from the off-season****
Dalvin Cook- Jets would likely have to eat some contract but he's being phased out and can see some discontent/malcontent behavior seeping in and they just admit the mistake and move on, especially if he starts pining for it.
Samaje Perine-another off-season signing but everyone in Denver, except maybe Surtain, is available and I think there is real smoke here as in we will be seeing several trades by Denver in next 3 weeks-which is almost being obvious at this point. Mentioned this yesterday which led so some disagreement but I'll double down. Bengals OC is openly saying they miss him, Denver clears cap space next season, Javonte's healthy and the Jaleel find makes living without him easier and one thing you got to give Payton credit for is he can find a RB anywhere.
WR's:
Sutton and Juedy of course and I'll be truly shocked if at least one is not dealt. Apparently a few days ago Juedy started following the whole Carolina Panthers team. Short week this week for Denver I think made them hold off on trying to make a deal. Sean Payton looked in the camera the other day and lied to everyone saying he was not shopping players and did not even know the trade deadline was in the 3 weeks, but he had valid reasons to spin that tale so I don't blame him. But the trading for Denver will start in earnest next week.
Davante Adams-massive cap hit makes it difficult but if there is one thing we all should have learned by now is that's rarely a reason a trade can't happen. I think this one depens on what Davante wants as they value what he brings to the team as a leader.
TE:
Zach Ertz-I almost feel like his fairly surprisingly high usage is an effort to shop him, well that and McBride might just really suck.
Not going to get into players like Hardman who predicting he will be trades is low hanging fruit because he does not matter for fantasy.
So on that note I'd throw out some of these fantasy relevant names:
QB:
Cousins-has a no trade clause and really not sure a buyer exists right now for a one year rental but if Cousins is amenable things can change in next 3 weeks of games.
Not sure overly fantasy relevant but could see Texans moving Mills or Keenum if a QB need crops up for a team.
RB:
Barkley-makes to much sense really
Henry-how team does over next few weeks could determine if they make him available
Jacobs-like Henry how they do over next few weeks matters
James Conner-his injury makes this a longer shot but I do believe you can trade a player on IR but the whole passing a physical part might be an issue.
***these next 2 were just signed this off-season so before you say I'm nuts there is precedent, Saints with Adrian Peterson being one. Maybe the only one but it's happened. Things change from the off-season****
Dalvin Cook- Jets would likely have to eat some contract but he's being phased out and can see some discontent/malcontent behavior seeping in and they just admit the mistake and move on, especially if he starts pining for it.
Samaje Perine-another off-season signing but everyone in Denver, except maybe Surtain, is available and I think there is real smoke here as in we will be seeing several trades by Denver in next 3 weeks-which is almost being obvious at this point. Mentioned this yesterday which led so some disagreement but I'll double down. Bengals OC is openly saying they miss him, Denver clears cap space next season, Javonte's healthy and the Jaleel find makes living without him easier and one thing you got to give Payton credit for is he can find a RB anywhere.
WR's:
Sutton and Juedy of course and I'll be truly shocked if at least one is not dealt. Apparently a few days ago Juedy started following the whole Carolina Panthers team. Short week this week for Denver I think made them hold off on trying to make a deal. Sean Payton looked in the camera the other day and lied to everyone saying he was not shopping players and did not even know the trade deadline was in the 3 weeks, but he had valid reasons to spin that tale so I don't blame him. But the trading for Denver will start in earnest next week.
Davante Adams-massive cap hit makes it difficult but if there is one thing we all should have learned by now is that's rarely a reason a trade can't happen. I think this one depens on what Davante wants as they value what he brings to the team as a leader.
TE:
Zach Ertz-I almost feel like his fairly surprisingly high usage is an effort to shop him, well that and McBride might just really suck.
Not going to get into players like Hardman who predicting he will be trades is low hanging fruit because he does not matter for fantasy.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
@menobrown
Sure hope the top 3 RBs on your list don't all get traded as I own them all in dynasty. Traded for Henry last year and helped me win it all so will enjoy that while his usage is declining
Sure hope the top 3 RBs on your list don't all get traded as I own them all in dynasty. Traded for Henry last year and helped me win it all so will enjoy that while his usage is declining
osubuckeyeman
Footballguy
Won't happen but the Bengals need a viable #2 QB and running back. I would love to see the Bengals trade for either or both.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Good post. Our disagreement might be more about compensation vs. concept. What is your estimated trade value for Perine? My opinion was based on a 28 y/o RB not fetching anything higher than a 6th but could easily be wrong of course. Sounds like Cincy might want him at a premium relative to open market.
wlwiles
Footballguy
The Saints fan in me would absolutely hate this, but the Kyle Pitts owner in me, oh boy...
Hard to say, maybe a 6th is all but I was kind of thinking in terms of a 5th or like the James Robinson trade last year a 6th that could become a 5th. Not a lot and would be hard to argue he has more value to Cincy then anyone.
Like I keep saying I'm just spit balling and it's not likely to happen but we do have a team that by multiple accounts is about to have a fire sale and even with a light return this could be win/win. For Perine I recall him saying one of the reasons he opted for Denver was knowing Mixon was the man in Cincy and he wanted more of a role. Now we all know money is the primary motivator for where a player signs but he likely did not forecast a 3 headed RBBC anymore then Payton did when they signed him.
Good news for you is I'll likely go 0-3 but I'm a little surprised you'd NOT want to see them traded. They are all on some rough offenses, hard to be worse, could be a lot better.
Lansdowne
Footballguy
Between the injuries, the squabbling with the GM in the offseason, the drafting of Zay Flowers, and the drops, the Ravens seem to have given up on Rashod Bateman (not without merit). I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they start using Devin Duvernay more ahead of him at WR4. As a Bateman owner in dynasty, I'm not ready to give up on him, I still think he can be a starting NFL wide receiver. But I think Bateman and the Ravens need to go their separate ways at this point, and I'm hoping he's traded to a team that will give him another opportunity.
10/15 edit - I’m out. I’m OUT. Giving me too many N’Keal Harry vibes. Keep making excuses for him and he flat out doesn’t produce when he’s out there. Costly drops, bad routes, doesn’t get separation, mentally weak (dodged the media last week and deactived his Twitter). He’s lost the trust of the Ravens and needs a change of scenery in a bad way. But no guarantee that it even happens this year. I’ve cut better WR’s than him waiting for it to all click and it isn’t happening, so I’m done. If he gets traded then I may hope to stash him off waivers again, but not a moment sooner.
10/15 edit - I’m out. I’m OUT. Giving me too many N’Keal Harry vibes. Keep making excuses for him and he flat out doesn’t produce when he’s out there. Costly drops, bad routes, doesn’t get separation, mentally weak (dodged the media last week and deactived his Twitter). He’s lost the trust of the Ravens and needs a change of scenery in a bad way. But no guarantee that it even happens this year. I’ve cut better WR’s than him waiting for it to all click and it isn’t happening, so I’m done. If he gets traded then I may hope to stash him off waivers again, but not a moment sooner.
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RenegadeRoy
Footballguy
Feel like Henry is most likely on that list. I believe his contract is up and Spears looks legit. In what's most likely a lost season for the Titans why not deal Henry?
IMO, I would think they would want to keep him this year for his pass protection skills alone. McLoughlin will probably improve but has gotten Wilson blown up at least once.
