Trades where you only improve by 5% (1 Viewer)

[Macdaddy_2004]

Generally in my league it is so tough to get a deal - what deals are you making that seem pretty fair in all owners eyes but you are actually winning (even by 5%).

ex Owner A trades BJGE to Owner B for Alex Green -

In this scenario I would say the guy who gets Law-Firm wins eventhough the trade seems pretty fair.

Are you guys pulling any of these 5% specials?

Another example - Trade Kenny Britt for Brandon Lloyd - pretty fair but I think LLoyd will have the better stats going forward.

 

[jaymay75]

ugh.... huh?

 

[Pots]

I traded Shonn Greene for Antonio Brown. No idea what % that one was...

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Its so tough to get a deal done I am just wondering if other owners are trading away players on their rosters where they believe the players coming back may only offer a slight improvement.

 

[ScottyDog]

Eric Decker for Alfred Morris in PPR and Alfred Morris for Randall Cobb in another PPR. Pretty even or close to it in my opinion.

Its so tough to get a deal done I am just wondering if other owners are trading away players on their rosters where they believe the players coming back may only offer a slight improvement.

 

[steveski]

Someone always wins in a trade. There's usually no way of knowing who wins the trade until the season is over. If I knew who was going to win by which percentage going in, I'd trade all my players for a 5% gain.

 

[mr roboto]

How does one calculate these %s before seeing the rest of the season play out?

 

[habsfan]

You can't assess the "winner" of a trade without considering the respective rosters and what each party was trying to accomplish. I don't try to win trades, I try to get the better player for me. Ideally the other person gets the better player for them.

 

[Quibbler]

You can't assess the "winner" of a trade without considering the respective rosters and what each party was trying to accomplish. I don't try to win trades, I try to get the better player for me. Ideally the other person gets the better player for them.

Agreed. I've only made a few trades this year, but every one of them was for a specific purpose, and I can see what the other guy had in mind too, so I'm not sure how you'd determine a winner.Trade 1: Luck for Torrey Smith (limited keeper league, non-PPR). I wanted Luck for the future. He wanted Smith for this year.Trade 2: Crabtree for Jerome Simpson (redraft league, non-PPR). I wanted Crabtree as a solid bye-week fill-in. He wanted an upside WR.Trade 3: CJ?K for LeShoure (limited keeper league, non-PPR). I wanted CJ. She wanted a less boom or bust RB with a better keeper value.

 

[Buffaloes]

show your math or you don't get credit for it

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Well the 5% is in the eye of the beholder but I like this thread. Trading for Crabtree could be a shark move.

 

[[icon]]

at being confident enough in your projections that you think you're within 5%.

To answer your question... Trading rarely works between same positions unless you and the other person have significant differences of opinion on how the rest of the year will play out.

Trading is a lot better for dealing FROM positions of depth to gain positions of weakness.

 

[Modog814]

at being confident enough in your projections that you think you're within 5%.To answer your question... Trading rarely works between same positions unless you and the other person have significant differences of opinion on how the rest of the year will play out. Trading is a lot better for dealing FROM positions of depth to gain positions of weakness.

Pretty much this. 1) 5% is too small a margin of error. 2) I'd take the opposite side in both your example trades than you, so as icon points out, it's really just a difference of opinion at this point.

 

[Arizona Ron]

I've gotten a few 3.8% and 4.2% that I've projected for the next 5 years in my dynasty league but never 5%.

WTG

 

[[icon]]

I've gotten a few 3.8% and 4.2% that I've projected for the next 5 years in my dynasty league but never 5%. WTG

:hawkscreech:

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

show your math or you don't get credit for it

 

[comfortably numb]

Its so tough to get a deal done I am just wondering if other owners are trading away players on their rosters where they believe the players coming back may only offer a slight improvement.

it's probably tough for you to make deal because you're thinking you have to win by at least 5%.But your 5% is probably more like 35% in the other owners eyes causing the greater divide not allowing you to make deals;

 

[Nucker101]

at being confident enough in your projections that you think you're within 5%.To answer your question... Trading rarely works between same positions unless you and the other person have significant differences of opinion on how the rest of the year will play out. Trading is a lot better for dealing FROM positions of depth to gain positions of weakness.

Agreed with this, usually you're higher on the player that you've drafted/acquired and the same goes for the opposing owner which is why 1 for 1 trades with the same position rarely ever happen in most leagues, unless it's an RB handcuff situation or maybe a bye week problem for one owner.

 

[ß .]

Well if that's your mindset when trying to work out trades, then no wonder it is hard to trade in your league. You should be trying to work a trade that helps both teams in some way. If you're just trying to do a trade that helps you(gain 5% or whatever) and doesn't benefit the other person at all, of course they're not gonna do the trade.

I've only made two legit trade offers so far this year and both times was able to get who I wanted(other offers was just to gauge other person's interest or frustration over certain players). Anyways, if you got depth at RB, find a team that needs RBs and see if they have anyone on their team you want, and see if that works. Don't look at it like RB A is in the same tier as RB B but RB B gives me a 5% increase so let me see if I can trade for him. That won't work the vast majority of the time.

 

[urbanhack]

5%

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

if you need the action so bad, why not just work some deals where you only lose 5%?

just like goin' to the casino.

 

[Badgers Fan]

In accounting, if NPV is even $1, you accept the project. I'll take as many 1% deals as I can.

 

[ImTheScientist]

How do you quantify a trade?

 

[Ridgelake]

at being confident enough in your projections that you think you're within 5%.

To answer your question... Trading rarely works between same positions unless you and the other person have significant differences of opinion on how the rest of the year will play out.

Trading is a lot better for dealing FROM positions of depth to gain positions of weakness.

This is how most of my trades have worked. It usually has to fit both players' needs or else it doesnt go through. I've found that I often have to give away more "value" because I have significant depth in some areas and use it to upgrade somewhere else. My team is better for it, though I may have "lost" a pure numbers trade.

 

[DarkManX]

I never trade a RB for RB or WR for WR, seems counter productive.

 

[Quibbler]

I never trade a RB for RB or WR for WR, seems counter productive.

If they're different types of players it can work. I.e. a hot waiver pickup with upside for a boring veteran with a higher floor.

 

[MIMN]

I never trade a RB for RB or WR for WR, seems counter productive.

I've seen win now versus win later in the season done. All based off perceived SOS.

 

[Wadsworth]

I never trade a RB for RB or WR for WR, seems counter productive.

I rarely would in redraft, but sometimes it happens. Obviously in dynasty and keeper leagues this type trade happens often.

 

[Please See Mine]

I would veto that trade. Totally lopsided.

 

[SWC]

i guess thanks for yoru opinjions on the two trades brohan but otherwise i do not get what your thread is about i do not think you will ever find anyone who says that they would not do a trade if it makes there team better i mean who would be against that anyways unless you play in bizzaro land where the idea is to be horrible and not win but hey if that is what blows your skirt up you keep right on keeping on my man and take it to the bank on me