FreeBaGeL
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With terrible trades like that, it's no wonder.
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Trading up to get Richardson in dynasty (1 Viewer)
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Dave Stauff
Footballguy
14 team MOX league - back before draft traded A.J. Green and 1.12 for 1.01. Was RB starved and have Fitz, Andre, Calvin and Graham to start at WR/TE, making Green a bit more expendable. Have been offered Chris Johnson and Stewart for 1.01 and Mendenhall. We draft in a month, so there's still time for more action on the pick, but I'm in the camp of Richardson being a "once in a blue moon" RB talent - it's gonna be real hard for me to deal the pick . . .
Sabertooth
Footballguy
In a dynasty startup auction, what would you pay for Richardson? I'm thinking of dropping around 25% of my cap on him. But that seems high to me.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
I think those are some the most fair and reasonable trades I've seen so far. Must be a nice league to be in.
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Riffraff
Footballguy
Wrong time of year to be trading for the pick/Richardson. Rookie fever is in the pandemic stage.
Have to wait until he is just another NFL player to get fair value. And if he actually turns the stud he's marketed to be, then you can sell the farm for him.
Way too much to spend on "potential." Could be Adrian Peterson, could be Ricky Williams, could be Reggie Bush, could be Tim Biakabutuka. Who knows?
Caveat: I was one of those owners that pulled a Mike Ditka to get Ricky Williams. Experience is a wise teacher. Lesson learned. If Richardson is lucky enough to have a Ricky Williams' career, it would be considered a huge success.
Have to wait until he is just another NFL player to get fair value. And if he actually turns the stud he's marketed to be, then you can sell the farm for him.
Way too much to spend on "potential." Could be Adrian Peterson, could be Ricky Williams, could be Reggie Bush, could be Tim Biakabutuka. Who knows?
Caveat: I was one of those owners that pulled a Mike Ditka to get Ricky Williams. Experience is a wise teacher. Lesson learned. If Richardson is lucky enough to have a Ricky Williams' career, it would be considered a huge success.
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MAC_32
Footballguy
No you can't. At least not in my leagues.
Dez
Footballguy
I guess I got lucky then because last year I traded my 2012 1st (ended up 1.5) and my 2011 1.10, 2.04, 2.10 for the other guys 2012 1st (ended up 1.1) and his 2011 1.06 (which I wasted on Hunter)He went 0-13...I knew he had a good chance to be a top 2 pick but 2 other teams were rebuilding so he could have easily been 1.2 or 1.3would have been ever better had I not lost in the 1st round of the playoffs
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Last year I traded Crabby for a 1st. Turned out that 1st was 1.1 and T. Richy is now on my dyno.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Sad to see you give up on Crabs MS. I believe you made the right move though.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
That is a cheap move up. Although I think a majority of these trades are insane. TRich is closer to Ingram than AD IMO. Heck Lacy looked as good if not better at times. Something about that Bama running game....Good luck to all of you TRich fanatics! At the least he should get the amount of touches to equate to decent FF value.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Even I think some of these trades are insane for Richardson. I own Richardson in all 3 of my dynasties but did see quite a few trades here I would have moved him for.
golfguy
Footballguy
that is terrible for team 1. he got hosed.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Exactly. Right now most Richardson owners consider him a likely stud. If he becomes a proven stud, his price goes WAY up or is considered untouchable.
griff321
Footballguy
He's a very good prospect, but he's not on the same level as AD. I'd say he's the best prospect since CJ2K/McFadden. Just compare college highlight reels of AD and TRich and it's not even close. He could very well be a very good pro and he's overall very good in pretty much every skillset, but I don't think I'd rate any of his skills "special" in any way. I've tried offering a lot to get him in my 16 team start 2 rb/3WR PPR league and have talked to other owners who have offered even more, but all were rejected. The guy hasn't even played a down and he's in almost untouchable territory for some owners.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I don't watch highlight reels, probably saw a dozen of AD's games and even more of Richardson. I can't really compare him to Chris Johnson when he came out because I didn't watch enough of him, but I think he is a much better prospect than skinny legs DMC coing out of school. DMC was more explosive, Rich was a much better running back. The only thing that may hold back a RB like him is his head and by all accounts he has a great one. He is going to be a great RB for the better part of the next decade and there just aren't many of those anymore.
griff321
Footballguy
Right, I think he'll be a good stud as well, but it's not a for sure lock that would require a farm sell that the owner of the 1.1 in my league and many others are asking.I take back the part about having zero skills that are AD like. His power and strength are right there. Everything else I feel is really good, but not on the same level as AD.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Not sure who specifically you're referring to, but since I was called out earlier I'll defend my case that in some instances over paying makes sense. I have had him stashed on a college taxi for 3 years in one dyno, but had to trade for him in the other. My justification, pre trade and pre draft I had the following rosterQB - Rivers/Bradford/MallettRB - Chris Johnson/Bradshaw/Ben Tate/Toby/Dion LewisTE - Graham/Gates/OlsenAnother owner said he would give a future #1 for Bradshaw, I also had been trying to sell Gates all off season with no luck - instead of sitting on a valuable short term starter as merely an insurance policy and keeping a good plan B buried I decided to shop Graham. So, I basically offered my backup QB and aging RB2 (since I gave a 2013 #1 and got one back for Bradshaw) then added my stud TE while I have a very good short term alternative on the bench and a very good plan B behind him. Below is my new depth chart after the trade and draftQB - Rivers/RG3/MallettRB - Johnson/Richardson/Tate/Toby/Lewis/LMJTE - Gates/Olsen/lots of options available for 3rd spot - if I make it a priority I can get Marcedes Lewis or Tamme in the vet portionThis starting lineup is an improvement and the depth post draft is actually improved imho, you can't convince me otherwise.
In my case my core roster prior to moving Lynch, Spiller and Britt for 1,1 looked like
E Manning/Bradford/Ponder
Mathews/Lynch/Spiller/D Thomas/LeShoure
Britt/J Jones/Stevie/Maclin/Torrey Smith/LaFell/V Brown
Graham/Gates/Clark
My roster now is
E Manning/Bradford/Ponder
Mathews/Trent/Bradshaw/Vereen/Ridley
J Jones/Maclin/Stevie/T Smith/Broyles
Graham/Olsen
I made more deals after the Trent deal to secure Bradshaw, Vereen/Ridley and Olsen without touching my "core" guys again. In those deals I moved LeShoure, D Thomas, Gates, Clark, LaFell, V Brown and a future 2nd. So I really can't say I sold the farm or my future for Trent.
E Manning/Bradford/Ponder
Mathews/Lynch/Spiller/D Thomas/LeShoure
Britt/J Jones/Stevie/Maclin/Torrey Smith/LaFell/V Brown
Graham/Gates/Clark
My roster now is
E Manning/Bradford/Ponder
Mathews/Trent/Bradshaw/Vereen/Ridley
J Jones/Maclin/Stevie/T Smith/Broyles
Graham/Olsen
I made more deals after the Trent deal to secure Bradshaw, Vereen/Ridley and Olsen without touching my "core" guys again. In those deals I moved LeShoure, D Thomas, Gates, Clark, LaFell, V Brown and a future 2nd. So I really can't say I sold the farm or my future for Trent.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I traded the 1.1 + Lesean McCoy away for Aaron Rodgers in a start 2QB league dynasty to pair with Romo and Rivers. Rodgers will still be playing when Richardson's career is winding down and I trust Ted Thompson to continue to fill the cupboards with goodies for Rodgers to use. Not so sure the Browns will do the same.
kutta
Footballguy
I don't like that trade for you at all. If you are completely loaded at RB, I maybe could understand it.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
If you own Richardson/1.01 and want to move him, the time to do it is now. Based on some of the offers I'm seeing in here, his value is never going to be higher.
flc735
Footballguy
250-300 carries at 4.4+ ypa40 rec8 td'sif he puts up a season like that, which i think is very likely, he'll be a top 3 dynasty pick, maybe the #1 next year just based on upside hype. im not saying he's going to produce at that level in the future, but his value will get there.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Based on the spotlight thread and others, a ton of people would actually be disappointed with a stat line like that. More than a few people are talking about taking him 1st in startups right now. His value literally has nowhere to go but down. If the Browns' overall ineptitude results in Richardson struggling as a rookie, it might go down quite a bit.
Shutout
Footballguy
Agree. I can't put my finger on why this guy has the perceived value he does. There have been some guys come out over my years of playing FF where its really easy to see that this guy is unique. Guys like peterson, fitz, calvin, and Moss. When they came out, I was tripping over myself trying to get them. But I don't see it with Richardson compared to what people are saying about him. I can easily seeing him having a career trajectory like SJAX (producing sometimes, flashing sometimes, dipping here and there because of the nature of his game). But this guy is coming out and people are treating him like Terell Davis, circa 1998, or marshall faulk...as if he is going to single handedly create an advantage that NO ONE can match. I don't see it.
MAC_32
Footballguy
You would have been right as of August 7th, he's a hold now. I was one of those that had him #1 in start-up's, tentatively dropped him to 8 behind Rice, Foster, McCoy, Chris Johnson, Mathews, Calvin, and Rodgers. May drop him further, depends on reports after the operation today. If they're - ready for opener, but may be limited - I'll keep him there.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
You are really dropping him that much in dynasty based on a routine minor procedure? Am I missing something? Everything I've seen has him still ready for week one. The first few games of Richardson's rookie season represent a minute fraction of his overall dynasty value IMO. I haven't moved him down a single spot...
CBower4545
Footballguy
MJD 1.10 for 1.1 13' 2nd
MAC_32
Footballguy
The whole point to taking him #1 was that I thought he could be a top 5 pick this year and then the better part of the next decade. I value this year more than the future and given this procedure I see top 5 potential as minimal, he's going to start off slow, so if I take him early in a startup I'm probably punting year 1 - I don't do that. Additionally, I think this injury shows legit concern for the long term well being of his knee. There's potential here that this is a lingering issue and eventually haults his career shorter than it otherwise would have been.
Pipes
Footballguy
Some people get nervous about a running back with a knee problem before he even has 1 NFL carry. Personally I don't think it's that big of a deal but some people get excited about stuff like that.
flc735
Footballguy
i don't agree with that. i trade a lot and when i look at players, i ask how much will they be worth 1 year from now. that's all i look at when i'm thinking long term. next year, ill do the same thing with him and decide whether or not i want to sell high or hold for another year.eta: also, the alternative pick in luck/rg3/martin is not guaranteed to be a top 5 player either'MAC_32 said:
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MAC_32
Footballguy
Difference in philosophy then, with most players I operate within a 3 year window but not when it comes to the elite position players. If it's reasonable to expect them to be elite beyond the 3 year window that has to be factored into the equation. It's why I had Richardson above the top 5 RB's as of Tuesday morning, I projected elite production during the 3 year window as well as beyond, I don't forecast any of the top 5 to maintain elite production beyond that window. I no longer expect elite production from Richardson this year, the most important year, so he's knocked below the guys I expect elite production from. I feel good about him squeezed between those 5 and guys like Forte, AD, DMC, etc. behind him. Not sure about him vs. Brady, Brees, Gronk, and Graham though - especially the first two.
NDyse10
Footballguy
Just offered this to a manager in my league.
Fitzgerald
#9 overall (rookie draft with a few veterans but nobody groundbreaking)
Next Years 1st (Top 3 Protected for 1 year)
FOR
1.1
I'm pretty deep at receiver and am really thin at RB. I also have the #4, #7, #8 so I feel comfortable giving up the #9. Probably will end up regretting it but who knows.
Fitzgerald
#9 overall (rookie draft with a few veterans but nobody groundbreaking)
Next Years 1st (Top 3 Protected for 1 year)
FOR
1.1
I'm pretty deep at receiver and am really thin at RB. I also have the #4, #7, #8 so I feel comfortable giving up the #9. Probably will end up regretting it but who knows.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I offered any two of the following:
Ryan Williams, CJ Spiller, Fred Jackson, Donald Brown, and David Wilson (who I drafted at 1.06). If Martin would have fell to me he said he would have seriously considered Williams and Martin.
The only RBs I didn't offer was McCoy, Hardesty, and Mike Bush.
Thought it was fair since this is a start 3rb league that also has 3 flex options.
I even offered Dallas Clark as part of the package as his only TE is Gonzalez. I would probably consider Keller, Witten or Kendricks if he asked.
Ryan Williams, CJ Spiller, Fred Jackson, Donald Brown, and David Wilson (who I drafted at 1.06). If Martin would have fell to me he said he would have seriously considered Williams and Martin.
The only RBs I didn't offer was McCoy, Hardesty, and Mike Bush.
Thought it was fair since this is a start 3rb league that also has 3 flex options.
I even offered Dallas Clark as part of the package as his only TE is Gonzalez. I would probably consider Keller, Witten or Kendricks if he asked.
I would've took that deal.
kutta
Footballguy
No way would I have taken that deal.How do people trade away the #1 or #2 RB with a proven track record for a guy who has never played a down in the NFL? I just don't get it.I think Richardson is going to be pretty darn good, but there is no way I would trade Rice for him and Ingram.
Hey Nostradamus!
Footballguy
Posted this in the off-season dynasty trades thread, but I'll toss it here as well.
I Gave:
Adrian Peterson
Brandon Pettigrew
I Got:
2012 Pick 1.03
League with a scoring system that strongly favors stud QBs. No PPR or TE bonus. Draft coming up next week.
In this system, I would rank Luck/RG3/Richardson in that order. (Tannehill would be #4 or #5.) They're so close that they're basically equal in my mind, and no idea how the top 3 plays out on draft day. I didn't move up to get Richardson -- I'm still hoping to move up to 1.01 for Luck, or that Luck/RG3 falls to me at 1.03 -- but I made the trade aware that I could very well end up with Richardson at 1.03.
I've got Gates and Gresham, so Pettigrew was expendable especially with no PPR/TE bonus. I think he's "just a guy," albeit a guy in a very good offense. I've had Peterson since drafting him as a rookie, and never thought I'd trade him. I'm moving heaven and earth to get Luck if I can, just like I did when Peterson came out. Stud QBs are gold in this league, untouchable in trade, and I think Luck and RG3 are two of the best QB prospects I've seen in my 12 years of FF. And if I end up "stuck" with Richardson, well, I'm okay with Peterson + Pettigrew for Richardson.
I Gave:
Adrian Peterson
Brandon Pettigrew
I Got:
2012 Pick 1.03
League with a scoring system that strongly favors stud QBs. No PPR or TE bonus. Draft coming up next week.
In this system, I would rank Luck/RG3/Richardson in that order. (Tannehill would be #4 or #5.) They're so close that they're basically equal in my mind, and no idea how the top 3 plays out on draft day. I didn't move up to get Richardson -- I'm still hoping to move up to 1.01 for Luck, or that Luck/RG3 falls to me at 1.03 -- but I made the trade aware that I could very well end up with Richardson at 1.03.
I've got Gates and Gresham, so Pettigrew was expendable especially with no PPR/TE bonus. I think he's "just a guy," albeit a guy in a very good offense. I've had Peterson since drafting him as a rookie, and never thought I'd trade him. I'm moving heaven and earth to get Luck if I can, just like I did when Peterson came out. Stud QBs are gold in this league, untouchable in trade, and I think Luck and RG3 are two of the best QB prospects I've seen in my 12 years of FF. And if I end up "stuck" with Richardson, well, I'm okay with Peterson + Pettigrew for Richardson.
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