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Transgender boy Mack Beggs wins Texas state girls' wrestling title (1 Viewer)

He's a she, though...right?  She still has her ladyparts? 
If you mean a hole, then yes. But if we want to get very specific, the testosterone is making her  clit look like a little  penis. That's part of the transformation. No longer has boobs either. And has the testosterone levels of a man. 

 
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Have you seen this person's picture?  IMO, this person should have chosen not to wrestle girls. I'm aware that everyone doesn't share my opinion, and perfectly fine with that 
But she's a girl.

If she were 6'2" 225+ lbs of pure muscle...and she was a chick...and she liked ****...and  was in no way interested in being a man....would this be as story?  Would we be complaining that its unfair because she's so much bigger/faster/stronger...or would we be in awe of a female wrestler who could kick the #### out any three of us at the same time?

 
I would agree. I would bet that the people that disagree with you don't have daughters that are athletes
That's probably the exact reason this grind my gears so badly. My daughter competed at the state championship level in high school in soccer. I just can't imagine her getting all the way to the state finals and having to play a boys team.

 
I would agree. I would bet that the people that disagree with you don't have daughters that are athletes
Or think that access and participation in high school athletics generally is a bigger issue than the Texas High School Girls' 110-pound Wrestling Championship

 
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But she's a girl.

If she were 6'2" 225+ lbs of pure muscle...and she was a chick...and she liked ****...and  was in no way interested in being a man....would this be as story?  Would we be complaining that its unfair because she's so much bigger/faster/stronger...or would we be in awe of a female wrestler who could kick the #### out any three of us at the same time?
If she was that big fast and strong because of her natural hormones, then no one would have a right to be complaining. The person in question here is taking testosterone injections. She would be disqualified from the Olympics but can beat up on high school girls.

 
If someone shot your #### off you wouldn't suddenly have to use female pronouns. 
I have no clue as to what's going on down there with her.  I don't really want to know. 

If the rules (by birth certificate) say that she's a she......I don't have a problem with her wrestling.

ETA: Although I do think the idea of the testosterone usage should be looked at again for future cases.

 
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Also, the other girls (2nd and 3rd place) were so angry that he wrestled that they all did a synchronized, choreographed "dab" together on the medal stand. 

 
If she was that big fast and strong because of her natural hormones, then no one would have a right to be complaining. The person in question here is taking testosterone injections. She would be disqualified from the Olympics but can beat up on high school girls.
What's the rules in regards to the testosterone?  Was her usage acceptable under the rules?  

 
I think he has more class than most people in this thread:

In some of his first media comments since the story was widely reported, Beggs said “I wouldn’t be here today if it weren’t for my teammates,” the Dallas Morning News reported on its website.

“That’s honestly what the spotlight should’ve been on, my teammates,” he added.
I thought that part was kind of stupid. Maybe if he were on a team sport and getting too much credit for a big game. But for someone transitioning to a boy and still wrestling girls and winning state championship? Sorry but the spotlight is going to be on you.

 
Or think that access and participation in high school athletics generally is a bigger issue than the Texas Girls' 110-pound Wrestling Championship
Look, I get your greater good argument.

What I'd like to see is you explain to your 16 yr old daughter,  who's worked  her ### off every day for yrs in practice while also working her ### off to get good grades, that she needs to wrestle this dude at states because "greater good"

 
It is a shame. It is a shame when a March on Washington blocks traffic. It is a shame when a bus boycott causes bus drivers to be laid off for lack of need of them.  It is a shame when a boycott of a company causes innocent baristas to lose their jobs. A lot of things are a shame.  There are consequences to opposing that which is wrong, and a lot of those consequences are borne by people who don't personally deserve it.
Not innocent baristas.  This is no way for them to lose their innocence.

 
Also, the other girls (2nd and 3rd place) were so angry that he wrestled that they all did a synchronized, choreographed "dab" together on the medal stand. 
I wonder how the girl felt that didn't have a chance to make the medal stand because she lost in the quarters to a dude

 
Look, I get your greater good argument.

What I'd like to see is you explain to your 16 yr old daughter,  who's worked  her ### off every day for yrs in practice while also working her ### off to get good grades, that she needs to wrestle this dude at states because "greater good"
So was the 16-yo wrestling a guy or a girl?

Because if she lost to a girl, then she was not the best female wrestler in her weight class, right?

 
What's the rules in regards to the testosterone?  Was her usage acceptable under the rules?  
Is this one of those trick questions where if they don't test girls for testosterone that means it shouldn't make any difference that they're having to wrestle a dude? LOL

 
So was the 16-yo wrestling a guy or a girl?

Because if she lost to a girl, then she was not the best female wrestler in her weight class, right?
Did you see his picture? I know you're just trying to be obtuse and cute but if you had a daughter who worked her ### off and then had to wrestle a dude in the finals, you'd be pretty pissed off.

 
Is this one of those trick questions where if they don't test girls for testosterone that means it shouldn't make any difference that they're having to wrestle a dude? LOL
I'm not trying to trick anyone.  I'm trying to figure out if (and by the OP it sounds like a bone of contention) Macks testosterone treatments are within the rules.  If they are,.....I don't quite get the outrage. 

 
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I wonder how the girl felt that didn't have a chance to make the medal stand because she lost in the quarters to a dude
I wonder how the boy felt who got to compete longer than he would have because he was unfairly given a higher state ranking than he would have if this boy was allowed to compete. I wonder how the hundreds of athletes who can't compete in sports because of these Texas rules feel, losing chances at scholarships, teammates, comradery, and normalization of their lives. I wonder how Mack feels, having to choose between a sport he's worked his whole life on, every day, where he'll be ridiculed just for competing the only way they'll let him, and just walking away and shutting up. 

Welcome to America. You don't just shut up and take what's given to you. 

 
I'm not trying to trick anyone.  I'm trying to figure out if (and by the OP it sounds like a bone of contention) that Macks testosterone treatments are within the rules.  If they are,.....I don't quite get the outrage. 
If they're prescribed by a medical doctor, they should be. 

 
Did you see his picture? I know you're just trying to be obtuse and cute but if you had a daughter who worked her ### off and then had to wrestle a dude in the finals, you'd be pretty pissed off.
I'd be proud of my daughter for making the state finals. :shrug:

I would hope her life was not defined by a high school event.

 
I'm not trying to trick anyone.  I'm trying to figure out if (and by the OP it sounds like a bone of contention) that Macks testosterone treatments are within the rules.  If they are,.....I don't quite get the outrage. 
I'll dumb it down for you. A bunch of girls lost a chance at ever winning a State title in wrestling because they had to wrestle against a person with a man's testosterone level. That's where the outrage comes from

 
That's probably the exact reason this grind my gears so badly. My daughter competed at the state championship level in high school in soccer. I just can't imagine her getting all the way to the state finals and having to play a boys team.
Exactly. When I see he went 56-0 I don't wow what an incredible accomplishment for that young man. I just think wow there are possibly 56 athletes with an L they don't deserve.

 
I wonder how the boy felt who got to compete longer than he would have because he was unfairly given a higher state ranking than he would have if this boy was allowed to compete. I wonder how the hundreds of athletes who can't compete in sports because of these Texas rules feel, losing chances at scholarships, teammates, comradery, and normalization of their lives. I wonder how Mack feels, having to choose between a sport he's worked his whole life on, every day, where he'll be ridiculed just for competing the only way they'll let him, and just walking away and shutting up. 

Welcome to America. You don't just shut up and take what's given to you. 
Change, evolution is both creative and destructive.  That's nature's rule Daniel san, not mine. 

 
"These are the rules you must compete under"

"I would like to compete differently"

"No"

"Very well, I have won your state championship"

"You should have refused to compete unless we allowed you to compete differently."

 
I'd be proud of my daughter for making the state finals. :shrug:

I would hope her life was not defined by a high school event.
And you wouldn't be the least bit disappointed that she didn't get her dream of a state championship because you had to wrestle a dude? I know you won't answer that question honestly because it doesn't fit your agenda, but you're not fooling anybody.

 
I'll dumb it down for you. A bunch of girls lost a chance at ever winning a State title in wrestling because they had to wrestle against a person with a man's testosterone level. That's where the outrage comes from


Nothing wrong with realizing that this situation happened without the foresight to see it happening and then re-evaluate (and change if needed) the rules in regards to testosterone treatment that makes everyone happy.

If you were the King of Texas....how would the rules be written?

ETA: I don't mean to diminish any of the feelings of the girls who lost.  Don't think my obtuseness on the situation and attempts at being glib are doing that.  

 
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And you wouldn't be the least bit disappointed that she didn't get her dream of a state championship because you had to wrestle a dude? I know you won't answer that question honestly because it doesn't fit your agenda, but you're not fooling anybody.
You are coming across as if it is more your dream, then that of of your daughter

 
Nothing wrong with realizing that this situation happened without the foresight to see it happening and then re-evaluate (and change if needed) the rules in regards to testosterone treatment that makes everyone happy.

If you were the King of Texas....how would the rules be written?
Unfortunately there is not a rule for every circumstance that ever happens. in life, you kind of count on people having a little bit of Pride and doing the right thing. I doubt the state thought this dude would really go out there and wrestle a bunch of girls. Like I said, I need to see his reaction when he won his championship Match.  If he did anything except shake his opponent's hand and stand there a little bit embarrassed, he's a tool. 

 
And you wouldn't be the least bit disappointed that she didn't get her dream of a state championship because you had to wrestle a dude? I know you won't answer that question honestly because it doesn't fit your agenda, but you're not fooling anybody.
Sorry it does not fit your agenda, but I teach my girls to do the best they can at everything they do - and then they can be proud of themselves no matter the result.

I would be incredibly proud of the effort it took my daughter to reach the state finals, win or lose.  I am sure she would be disappointed in the moment, but I hope I have taught her enough that the journey to the finals, all the work and effort that went into that, make her the person she is - not the end result.  She is no different at the end of the match than she was before the match.  Her life won't be altered by that one result.

 
I wonder how the girl felt that didn't have a chance to make the medal stand because she lost in the quarters to a dude
Can't find an interview with Chelsea Sanchez to see. However in the match before, his opponent took it quite well (although she was not allowed to comment by her coach):

http://nypost.com/2017/02/26/transgender-boy-booed-cheered-after-wrestling-title-he-didnt-want/

Beggs pinned Kailyn Clay earlier Saturday to reach the final. That was after he beat Taylor Latham and Mya Engert handily on Friday to reach the semifinals.

In the semifinals, the match was halted for a couple of minutes because Beggs had a bloody nose. Trainers finally managed to stop the bleeding and the fight resumed. Not long after, Beggs slammed Clay on the mat and pinned her.

He and Clay shared a long hug before an official raised Beggs’ arm to signal victory, and the wrestler scurried off the mat. Clay’s coached shouted to reporters that she “did not have permission” to talk to them after her loss and both of her parents declined comment.

 
Let's speak to the elephant in the room here, girls wrestling and boys wrestling at 110 pounds. Who cares.  They are powder puffs.  The action starts and ends at 182 pounds.

 
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Sorry it does not fit your agenda, but I teach my girls to do the best they can at everything they do - and then they can be proud of themselves no matter the result.

I would be incredibly proud of the effort it took my daughter to reach the state finals, win or lose.  I am sure she would be disappointed in the moment, but I hope I have taught her enough that the journey to the finals, all the work and effort that went into that, make her the person she is - not the end result.  She is no different at the end of the match than she was before the match.  Her life won't be altered by that one result.
LOL. Ok

 
"These are the rules you must compete under"

"I would like to compete differently"

"No"

"Very well, I have won your state championship"

"You should have refused to compete unless we allowed you to compete differently."
In this case the rules gave her an advantage. Not her fault for competing in the events they allowed her to enter. 

But the larger point I think people struggle with is the transgendered or transitioning teens are like .01% of the population and now systems based on binary physiological gender/sex need to change or be rethought to accommodate.

In the case of restrooms I believe it's necessary. I guess I'm not sure about sports. 

 

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