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Travis Henry sprained his knee. (MERGED THREAD) (1 Viewer)

I'm really surprised at how many guys are saying it looked like more than a sprain walking off the field.

Have you guys sprained anything before? I know several guys who have had various kinds of sprained knees and no one walks like normal on it. Hell, spraining your ankle hurts more than breaking it right when it happens.
:thumbup: I was just about to post something similar to this. I had a first degree sprain of my MCL earlier this summer playing softball. I could hardly put any weight on it and hobbled off the field. (I probably looked worse than Henry walking off the field because I'm a bigger #### than him) I put ice on it and within an hour or so it was easier to put weight on it. By the next day I could walk pretty much normal. I was limping a little bit but I could get around pretty much pain free. I saw the MRI images, so I know it was a real injury (I saw the edema in the ligament) It was not just me being a ####. I was back playing softball (with a knee brace) the next week and I am fat* and old. Travis Henry is in much better shape than me so he should be fine if it is indeed just a 1st degree sprain. My point is that you can't judge the severity of a sprain based on how someone walks off the field. There is just not very much (if any) difference on how somebody is going to walk whether it's a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd degree sprain or even a torn ACL for that matter. You just can't tell until the Dr. examines him and looks at the MRI.*I'm not really that fat, but it made the story better. Compared to Henry though, I am fat and old.

Edit: Just to add, I am an MRI tech and you guys should know that most of the time the orthopedic surgeon knows before the MRI is even taken whether the ACL is torn or not. It's called a clinical assessment. They did that and called it a MCL sprain. Nothing was said about the ACL, therefore I would guess that nothing is wrong with the ACL unless the Broncos aretrying to hide something. Given that it is only pre season, I don't know what they have to gain by hiding anything. They were pretty up front about Ekuban's injury.
this makes me feel better
agreed - great post. Even if it's 3-5 weeks, that's basically one game to start the season. He'll be fine. I'd be more concerned if it was turf toe.
 
I said this in the Travis Henry hype thread many weeks back....prepare to be disappointed with injuries with this guy....he has never stayed healthy and played a full season....yet people want to risk their entire fantasy year by picking him in the mid 1st roundTypical Henry.....this was so predictable
Funny... I didn't see anyone else post it, but I got slammed for saying it in the Henry thread just a week ago...
 
I said this in the Travis Henry hype thread many weeks back....prepare to be disappointed with injuries with this guy....he has never stayed healthy and played a full season....yet people want to risk their entire fantasy year by picking him in the mid 1st roundTypical Henry.....this was so predictable
Funny... I didn't see anyone else post it, but I got slammed for saying it in the Henry thread just a week ago...
You two are a couple of Debbie Downers! : (
 
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does this make Mike Bell 1.03?
"whoever is in the system is gold"-ssog
Only use quotation marks when you're using a direct quote rather than paraphrasing. Kthx.If Bell was in line to be the workhorse RB this season, then I'd have no problem projecting him to 1200+ yards and 10+ TDs. That's a big "if", though, since we don't know how Henry is going to react to the injury, and we still don't know if Bell is going to beat out Sapp, and we still don't know if Bell would be the workhorse even if he did.

FYI: If its not cut and dry... dont expect Shanny to help owners out with his injury "reports".
This is the Jason Voorhees of fantasy football myths. You can hack at it with a machete, drown it, dip it in acid, send it to hell, crygenically freeze it and blast it into outer space, and it just refuses to die.Mike Shanahan is one of the more honest coaches in the league. Mike Shanahan does not play games with his injury report. Mike Shanahan is not deliberately deceptive. This is a myth. Historical data bears me out. This myth entirely stems from the 2001 season where Terrell Davis's status was uncertain from week to week because Mike Shanahan was honestly uncertain of his status from week to week. If you don't believe me, please go back and compare Denver's injury reports to what actually happens. Mike Shanahan does not play games with his injury report. Mike Shanahan is not deliberately deceptive. This is a myth. Historical data bears me out. This myth entirely stems...

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This is not the Denver line of a few years back. Gibbs is long gone and the Broncos are drifting from his focus. I expect Denver's running game to regress back to league norms.
Denver's OL is not that good? Denver has finished 8th, 2nd, and 4th in rushing yards over the last three years (average rank: 4.7) despite lining up Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns as their leading back (none of whom is currently with the team or a starter). Oh yeah, they've really fallen off of a cliff from their heyday from '96 to '98, when Terrell Davis was tearing things up and their average rank was 2.3 (including a 4th place finish). In fact, fun little fact: Denver's best rushing season with Terrell Davis leading the way was 2468 yards and 26 TDs (in his 2,000 yard season). In 2005, with Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell splitting the carries, Denver rushed for 2539 yards and 25 TDs. Fun fact #2: 2539 is greater than 2468. Denver's rushing game accounted for more fantasy points in 2005 than it did in Terrell Davis's 2000 yard season (which was the best rushing year under Davis). I guess Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell are just such studs that they can outproduce Terrell Davis despite running behind a worse offensive line, right? Denver's average rushing yards from 1996 to 1998 was 2402 yards. Denver's average rushing yards from 2004 to 2006 was 2341 yards. I'm not sayin' anything, I'm just sayin'...This is the third straight season where people have been doom and gloom, saying this is not the Denver line of a few years back. The first time people said it was when Gibbs went to Atlanta- Denver finished 2nd in the league in rushing yards that season. Then last year, everyone said that it was probably just going to take a year for Gibbs' loss to be felt. Denver finished 8th in rushing yards despite losing their best and most important offensive lineman for the majority of the season. Now apparently the fact that they're two years removed from Alex Gibbs makes them at risk.

Newsflash: Alex Gibbs hasn't been the offensive line coach since 2000. Rick Dennison was. From 2000-2004, Gibbs was nothing more than an offensive consultant who worked minimal hours every week. In 2005, Gibbs left for the Falcons because he tried to come back as Denver's full-time OL coach but Denver PREFERRED RICK DENNISON. Dennison is one of the highest-paid and most-respected line coaches in the league. He carries the title "offensive coordinator" as a defensive move because Houston tried to hire him away to be THEIR OC when Kubiak went down there.

You did get one thing right, though. This isn't the Denver line of a few years back. It's actually better- the OL talent was at an all-time low during the Clinton Portis years, and has been steadily improving since then.

I havent read through all the posts, but Henry will STILL put up great numbers this year.....in case you havent noticed, this Dallas D is gonna be stout!
In addition, Dallas runs a 3-4 defense. Everybody say it with me now... Denver struggles rushing against the 3-4 defense.I remember researching just how poorly Denver did against the 3-4 defense, and the only time in Denver's history that Denver has exceeded its weekly average in carries, yard, OR yards per carry against a 3-4 defense was in the 2 games against Oakland back when Oakland made the ill-fated switch in 2004 (and remember, Oakland was probably the worst run defense in the league that year). Even looking back to last preseason- Denver rushed for 200+ yards against the three 4-3 defenses it faced, and then failed to crack 100 yards rushing against the only 3-4 team it faced- the lowly Houston Texans.

 
does this make Mike Bell 1.03?
"whoever is in the system is gold"-ssog
Only use quotation marks when you're using a direct quote rather than paraphrasing. Kthx.If Bell was in line to be the workhorse RB this season, then I'd have no problem projecting him to 1200+ yards and 10+ TDs. That's a big "if", though, since we don't know how Henry is going to react to the injury, and we still don't know if Bell is going to beat out Sapp, and we still don't know if Bell would be the workhorse even if he did.

FYI: If its not cut and dry... dont expect Shanny to help owners out with his injury "reports".
This is the Jason Voorhees of fantasy football myths. You can hack at it with a machete, drown it, dip it in acid, send it to hell, crygenically freeze it and blast it into outer space, and it just refuses to die.Mike Shanahan is one of the more honest coaches in the league. Mike Shanahan does not play games with his injury report. Mike Shanahan is not deliberately deceptive. This is a myth. Historical data bears me out. This myth entirely stems from the 2001 season where Terrell Davis's status was uncertain from week to week because Mike Shanahan was honestly uncertain of his status from week to week. If you don't believe me, please go back and compare Denver's injury reports to what actually happens. Mike Shanahan does not play games with his injury report. Mike Shanahan is not deliberately deceptive. This is a myth. Historical data bears me out. This myth entirely stems...

</broken record>

This is not the Denver line of a few years back. Gibbs is long gone and the Broncos are drifting from his focus. I expect Denver's running game to regress back to league norms.
Denver's OL is not that good? Denver has finished 8th, 2nd, and 4th in rushing yards over the last three years (average rank: 4.7) despite lining up Tatum Bell, Mike Anderson, and Reuben Droughns as their leading back (none of whom is currently with the team or a starter). Oh yeah, they've really fallen off of a cliff from their heyday from '96 to '98, when Terrell Davis was tearing things up and their average rank was 2.3 (including a 4th place finish). In fact, fun little fact: Denver's best rushing season with Terrell Davis leading the way was 2468 yards and 26 TDs (in his 2,000 yard season). In 2005, with Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell splitting the carries, Denver rushed for 2539 yards and 25 TDs. Fun fact #2: 2539 is greater than 2468. Denver's rushing game accounted for more fantasy points in 2005 than it did in Terrell Davis's 2000 yard season (which was the best rushing year under Davis). I guess Mike Anderson and Tatum Bell are just such studs that they can outproduce Terrell Davis despite running behind a worse offensive line, right? Denver's average rushing yards from 1996 to 1998 was 2402 yards. Denver's average rushing yards from 2004 to 2006 was 2341 yards. I'm not sayin' anything, I'm just sayin'...This is the third straight season where people have been doom and gloom, saying this is not the Denver line of a few years back. The first time people said it was when Gibbs went to Atlanta- Denver finished 2nd in the league in rushing yards that season. Then last year, everyone said that it was probably just going to take a year for Gibbs' loss to be felt. Denver finished 8th in rushing yards despite losing their best and most important offensive lineman for the majority of the season. Now apparently the fact that they're two years removed from Alex Gibbs makes them at risk.

Newsflash: Alex Gibbs hasn't been the offensive line coach since 2000. Rick Dennison was. From 2000-2004, Gibbs was nothing more than an offensive consultant who worked minimal hours every week. In 2005, Gibbs left for the Falcons because he tried to come back as Denver's full-time OL coach but Denver PREFERRED RICK DENNISON. Dennison is one of the highest-paid and most-respected line coaches in the league. He carries the title "offensive coordinator" as a defensive move because Houston tried to hire him away to be THEIR OC when Kubiak went down there.

You did get one thing right, though. This isn't the Denver line of a few years back. It's actually better- the OL talent was at an all-time low during the Clinton Portis years, and has been steadily improving since then.

I havent read through all the posts, but Henry will STILL put up great numbers this year.....in case you havent noticed, this Dallas D is gonna be stout!
In addition, Dallas runs a 3-4 defense. Everybody say it with me now... Denver struggles rushing against the 3-4 defense.I remember researching just how poorly Denver did against the 3-4 defense, and the only time in Denver's history that Denver has exceeded its weekly average in carries, yard, OR yards per carry against a 3-4 defense was in the 2 games against Oakland back when Oakland made the ill-fated switch in 2004 (and remember, Oakland was probably the worst run defense in the league that year). Even looking back to last preseason- Denver rushed for 200+ yards against the three 4-3 defenses it faced, and then failed to crack 100 yards rushing against the only 3-4 team it faced- the lowly Houston Texans.
:moneybag: I saw something about Shanahan on `Myth Busters` the other night, it was on the same episode where they proved that a `watched` pot does indeed boil..

 
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Hmm, what is the right move for my auction draft ($260 cap, no PPR) to be held today at 4pm EST. Likely no new information.

Preliminary diagnosis of 1st degree sprain of MCL is okay and should not dilute value much. However, he is slated to have an MRI and results will not be known by the draft, so there is still more uncertainty. In a comparable league Henry went for $70 a few days ago. I've got to think the MRI will take ~ $20 of value out of his price and that Henry can be had for ~ $50 (around what Benson will go for).

Buy him at a discount and cross fingers or stay away?

I am a buyer, but I do still have recent memories of my bargain buy of Portis in late drafts last year.

 
I got half way through the 2nd page before I had to stop. There are a lot of people in here that have no idea what they are talking about. Sounds to me people are trying to lower his stock to pick him up in the 2nd round.

Even a grade 3 MCL tear, he would probably miss 6-7 games this year, however, even a minor grade one is not to mess around with. We probably won't see him the rest of preseason in any case.

 
I said this in the Travis Henry hype thread many weeks back....prepare to be disappointed with injuries with this guy....he has never stayed healthy and played a full season....yet people want to risk their entire fantasy year by picking him in the mid 1st roundTypical Henry.....this was so predictable
Funny... I didn't see anyone else post it, but I got slammed for saying it in the Henry thread just a week ago...
You two are a couple of Debbie Downers! : (
Anyone could suffer from an MCL or even an ACL tear with an impact hit. Players with chronic sprains and strains are considered injury prone. It's like McNabb, he has nt suffered from the same injury, so you can not put the injury prone label on him. He just ran into some bad luck.
 
I said this in the Travis Henry hype thread many weeks back....prepare to be disappointed with injuries with this guy....he has never stayed healthy and played a full season....yet people want to risk their entire fantasy year by picking him in the mid 1st roundTypical Henry.....this was so predictable
Funny... I didn't see anyone else post it, but I got slammed for saying it in the Henry thread just a week ago...
You two are a couple of Debbie Downers! : (
Anyone could suffer from an MCL or even an ACL tear with an impact hit. Players with chronic sprains and strains are considered injury prone. It's like McNabb, he has nt suffered from the same injury, so you can not put the injury prone label on him. He just ran into some bad luck.
I agree. Last year's injury seemed like pure bad luck.
 
I said this in the Travis Henry hype thread many weeks back....prepare to be disappointed with injuries with this guy....he has never stayed healthy and played a full season....yet people want to risk their entire fantasy year by picking him in the mid 1st roundTypical Henry.....this was so predictable
Funny... I didn't see anyone else post it, but I got slammed for saying it in the Henry thread just a week ago...
You two are a couple of Debbie Downers! : (
Anyone could suffer from an MCL or even an ACL tear with an impact hit. Players with chronic sprains and strains are considered injury prone. It's like McNabb, he has nt suffered from the same injury, so you can not put the injury prone label on him. He just ran into some bad luck.
I don't disagree with what your saying but some players have more problems with injuries then others ie. Fred Taylor, McNabb, Gore, etc., if you don't want to call them inury prone, then I guess you can call it bad luck, Henry seems to be one of the "bad luck" players. On the positive side he is a player who can play hurt, and lets hope this is a minor thing.
 
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I said this in the Travis Henry hype thread many weeks back....prepare to be disappointed with injuries with this guy....he has never stayed healthy and played a full season....yet people want to risk their entire fantasy year by picking him in the mid 1st roundTypical Henry.....this was so predictable
Funny... I didn't see anyone else post it, but I got slammed for saying it in the Henry thread just a week ago...
You two are a couple of Debbie Downers! : (
Anyone could suffer from an MCL or even an ACL tear with an impact hit. Players with chronic sprains and strains are considered injury prone. It's like McNabb, he has nt suffered from the same injury, so you can not put the injury prone label on him. He just ran into some bad luck.
I don't disagree with what your saying but some players have more problems with injuries then others ie. Fred Taylor, McNabb, Gore, etc., if you don't want to call them inury prone, then I guess you can call it bad luck, Henry seems to be one of the "bad luck" players. On the positive side he is a player who can play hurt, and lets hope this is a minor thing.
F. Taylor, D. Stalworth, S. Moss all have reoccuring problems with hamstring, groin. That can be considered injury prone. Gore had two shoulder and two knee reconstructions, which makes me think his ligaments maybe at risk for injury more than others. However, after the reconstruction the durability on those ligaments should be much better. McNabb had a hernia, torn ACL and a couple of other injuries that have nothing to link one to the other. That is just "bad luck". There are things that a player can "play through and be fine, but some injuries it's better to just let it heal or there can be a case of reinjury. That's when players get injury prone.
 
have a draft this morning at 12. will be staying away from the guy by any means necessary (ie: not drafting him).
Thanx ....I'll sleep better tonight knowing you shyed away from Henry :goodposting: My question....did anyone reporter question Shanny on why Henry was STILL in the game rushing the ball late into the second quarter?? It was clear the Denver offense wasn't "clicking" so why not just get Henry out of there?
 
have a draft this morning at 12. will be staying away from the guy by any means necessary (ie: not drafting him).
Thanx ....I'll sleep better tonight knowing you shyed away from Henry :bag: My question....did anyone reporter question Shanny on why Henry was STILL in the game rushing the ball late into the second quarter?? It was clear the Denver offense wasn't "clicking" so why not just get Henry out of there?
Why would they do that?? Both teams had their starters (both offense and defense) in the game all through the 2nd quarter and that was the plan at the start of the game. This injury could have happened on the 1st carry of the game or when it did.
 
I've got a big money auction draft is in less than 2 hours...I think he'll be fine and will probably knock his auction value down just a tad.

 
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This isn't LT sitting out most of the preseason as a veteran of the offense it's a RB with a new team trying to learn the system and mature. Consider that around this time last year he was pretty much worthless with drug and injury risk not to mention being buried on the Titans at the time. If everything breaks right he could go down as a stud but I think he carries more risk than your average first rounder thus my skepticism even if this injury turns into nothing. I'd take him well before Portis but "bad vibes" counts for something.

 
I've got a big money auction draft is in less than 2 hours...I think he'll be fine and will probably knock his auction value down just a tad.
Are you competing against well known fantasy football experts whom you've beaten soundly the last few years? Please tell me, I've been dying to know.
 
I've got a big money auction draft is in less than 2 hours...I think he'll be fine and will probably knock his auction value down just a tad.
Are you competing against well known fantasy football experts whom you've beaten soundly the last few years? Please tell me, I've been dying to know.
Actually that's my second draft today...that one starts at 4:00.Down, Down, Down...FBG staff going down. :ptts:ETA: Yes I realize you were mocking me.
 
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Henry seems like one of those guys that just can't catch a break unless it's a broken leg. I hope this isn't serious. I always avoid this guy in drafts but I cheer for him on Sundays. He seems like a good guy and a hard worker.
Seriously? Rape down?
The Bill’s Travis Henry was sentenced to 100 hours of community service for sexual misconduct with a 15-year-old girl.
 
I've got a big money auction draft is in less than 2 hours...I think he'll be fine and will probably knock his auction value down just a tad.
Are you competing against well known fantasy football experts whom you've beaten soundly the last few years? Please tell me, I've been dying to know.
Actually that's my second draft today...that one starts at 4:00.Down, Down, Down...FBG staff going down. :pickle:ETA: Yes I realize you were mocking me.
:ptts:
 
Henry seems like one of those guys that just can't catch a break unless it's a broken leg. I hope this isn't serious. I always avoid this guy in drafts but I cheer for him on Sundays. He seems like a good guy and a hard worker.
Seriously? Rape down?
The Bill’s Travis Henry was sentenced to 100 hours of community service for sexual misconduct with a 15-year-old girl.
A. She told him she was 18.B. It was consensual.

C. 100 hours of community service is the judge's way of saying "be more careful when hoochies approach you."

 
Henry seems like one of those guys that just can't catch a break unless it's a broken leg. I hope this isn't serious. I always avoid this guy in drafts but I cheer for him on Sundays. He seems like a good guy and a hard worker.
Seriously? Rape down?
The Bill’s Travis Henry was sentenced to 100 hours of community service for sexual misconduct with a 15-year-old girl.
Who did he rape?
 
Per Rotowire, looks like he is day-to-day....with the "least" severe MCL sprain one could suffer. Trust me, I couldn't sleep last night worrying about my first round draft choice. I hope he rests up and is good to go against his old team Buffalo in week 1.

 
Per Rotowire, looks like he is day-to-day....with the "least" severe MCL sprain one could suffer. Trust me, I couldn't sleep last night worrying about my first round draft choice. I hope he rests up and is good to go against his old team Buffalo in week 1.
looks like nothing !!! Untill the MRI comes back monday. how many times have we seen players limp off said to have a sprain only to be out for the season after the MRI..
 
It isnt like Shanny was being sheepish about injury info last night. He came right out and said Ekuban was out for the year after his injury was originally announced as a strain.

 
Monday morning -- should know results by the time we are about to leave work.

this is good news actually though -- it must not be bothering him all that bad to be waiting untill Monday and to wait they must not be all that concerned. then again as a Henry owner in 2 leagues having just traded Westbrook for Him and R. Moss I am a little hopefull.

 
I said this in the Travis Henry hype thread many weeks back....prepare to be disappointed with injuries with this guy....he has never stayed healthy and played a full season....yet people want to risk their entire fantasy year by picking him in the mid 1st round

Typical Henry.....this was so predictable
Funny... I didn't see anyone else post it, but I got slammed for saying it in the Henry thread just a week ago...
in 2002 he started 16 out of 16 games. How has he never played a full season?
 
Henry seems like one of those guys that just can't catch a break unless it's a broken leg. I hope this isn't serious. I always avoid this guy in drafts but I cheer for him on Sundays. He seems like a good guy and a hard worker.
Seriously? Rape down?
The Bill’s Travis Henry was sentenced to 100 hours of community service for sexual misconduct with a 15-year-old girl.
Who did he rape?
Its called statutory rape
 
just heard a bit of good news -- looks like noone in the Broncos organzation is concerned. They all seem fairly confident its just a minor sprain and he should be fine to practice in a week. Me I am concerned till I see a MRI result. They did however RULE OUT an ACL tear. I am thinking Henry returns week 2 or 3 but thats just my opinion.

 
These comments were made Saturday night prior to the scheduled MRI sceduled for sometime on Sunday.

the article from rotowire's website.............

Travis Henry's sprain doesn't appear to be serious

Email this story | Print By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News

August 18, 2007

IRVING, Texas ? Travis Henry was wearing a white sleeve on his left knee after Saturday night's game.

But the sprain of the medial collateral ligament the Denver Broncos running back suffered during the second quarter of his team?s preseason loss to the Dallas Cowboys doesn?t appear to be serious.

?We?ll see how it is tomorrow, said Henry, who scheduled to undergo a magnetic resonance imaging exam on Sunday as a precaution. "I feel like everythings all right because I didnt feel no pop in there. I think itll be good".?

Henry was hurt on a first-and-goal carry from the Cowboys 3. He was able to leave the field under his own power. But once he reached the sideline he needed to be helped to the bench by two of the team's athletic trainers.

Coach Mike Shanahan said after the game that Henry's knee was a first-degree sprain, the mildest kind.

"It's a day-to-day thing," Henry insisted. "it's nothing too serious."

Again.....these comments were made before any MRI results............but Henry's post game comments sound encouraging.

 
just heard a bit of good news -- looks like noone in the Broncos organzation is concerned. They all seem fairly confident its just a minor sprain and he should be fine to practice in a week. Me I am concerned till I see a MRI result. They did however RULE OUT an ACL tear. I am thinking Henry returns week 2 or 3 but thats just my opinion.
That was the feeling in the locker room last night. Of course, it felt like a funeral with the Ekuban news and the way the game went, but no one seemed overly concerned about Henry.
 
Henry seems like one of those guys that just can't catch a break unless it's a broken leg. I hope this isn't serious. I always avoid this guy in drafts but I cheer for him on Sundays. He seems like a good guy and a hard worker.
Seriously? Rape down?
The Bill’s Travis Henry was sentenced to 100 hours of community service for sexual misconduct with a 15-year-old girl.
Who did he rape?
Its called statutory rape
Earlier you quoted it as being sexual misconduct. If you're going to get your panties all bunched up, you may want to double check and make sure you're not contradicting yourself. :thumbdown: He wouldn't make it 3 days in the FFA, would he Christo?

 

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