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Travis Henry Trade value (1 Viewer)
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
If he's a bust waiting to happen, then why didn't you take the 1.10?
Sanboy
Footballguy
its still on the table . thinking about it .. trying to see if i can get the 1.6 or 1.7 instead .. if a no go .. will most likley take the 1.10 ..
betting on " SYSTEM " RB's .. has never seemed to be a good bet .....
the best you can hope for IMO is to get 1 maybe 2 good years from Henry ... nothing more ..
the ceiling is not as high as some on the boards are jumping around saying .. atleast IMO
betting on " SYSTEM " RB's .. has never seemed to be a good bet .....
the best you can hope for IMO is to get 1 maybe 2 good years from Henry ... nothing more ..
the ceiling is not as high as some on the boards are jumping around saying .. atleast IMO
Guinis72
Footballguy
I'm surprsied you guys are considering offers for picks lower than the 1.3 - 1.4. IMO, the money that DEN gave Henry says that they're tired of plugging in random RBs and want some stability. It is Shannahan, so you never know though.
After the 1.3 it seems like the next 10 guys are a crapshoot. I'd rather have a RB that I know should at least break 1k yds for the next 2-3 yrs than the 5th rookie WR or RB.
After the 1.3 it seems like the next 10 guys are a crapshoot. I'd rather have a RB that I know should at least break 1k yds for the next 2-3 yrs than the 5th rookie WR or RB.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I guarantee you that Henry won't be with Denver in 3 years, and probably not 2 either, but he could be a 1000 yd back for someone I guess.
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Restricted
Footballguy
Anyone shopping M. Bell to Henry owners?
Guinis72
Footballguy
RB Travis Henry agreed to a five-year contract that includes $12 million in guaranteed money with the Denver Broncos. Henry was scheduled to visit Oakland, Green Bay and the New York Giants. My understanding of the salary cap may be wrong, but won't 2.4M count against the cap this year and if they cut or trade him next year they'd eat the rest of the $9.6M in cap hit? I guess they could wait until after June 1 so the $9.6 would be spread out over '08 + '09 but seems like a lot of eaten cap for a 1 yr RB. This is why I was assuming that he'll be there for a couple/few years.
ETA: I just realized it only specifies "guaranteed money" not necessarily signing bonus so I'm not sure how this would make it work out now.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
They are not paying $12 million guaranteed money unless they were going to use him in '07, and '08...'09 is a little bit of a cloud, but $12 million is a lot for Denver...
BringItOn
Footballguy
Denver will not pay a RB that kind of guaranteed money not to use him. I would be wary of the reports that Denver is/was interested in Betts. However, from that article that had been posted somewhere.. it seems to indicate that was BEFORE getting Henry.I havent seen any Henry trades yet in any of my leagues, but as an owner in one league, I would consider moving him for one of the upper-tier WRs. As has been mentioned before, Maximize Value.
fsufan
Footballguy
just look at Henry #s when he was the starter for the Bills(02,03) and last year with the Titans. His is a solid #2RB.http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/235216
Year Team G GS Att Yds Avg TD
2001 Buffalo Bills 13 12 213 729 3.4 4
2002 Buffalo Bills 16 16 325 1438 4.4 13
2003 Buffalo Bills 15 15 331 1356 4.1 10
2004 Buffalo Bills 10 5 94 326 3.5 0
2005 Tennessee Titans 10 1 88 335 3.8 0
2006 Tennessee Titans 14 13 270 1211 4.5 7
mozzy84
Footballguy
totally agree
By that logic you are paying out the nose to get Randy Moss? What would you have given a couple years ago for him still holds today? Things change and new information is available. Henry had a good year last year in what 12-13 games and just landed some nice bank for a team looking for some stablility at the position. He has good value. Anyone trying to gauge value 3 years out is wasting their time or should be playing the stock market and not FF.Yes, he's a nice sell high candidate wih the hype around Denver RBs, but I agree with those that said trading him for anything outside the first three picks this year is a waste. You will be kicking yourself. Because there is no guarantee that you will be the lucky guy that drafts this year's MJD, if there even is one this year. By the time you know, it's too late. At least you know what you've got with Henry. A season similar to last year's...minimum.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hey KF,I think you make a great point...but I have also read a lot of your posts and you don't think Henry will make for a good starter this season...yes/no? I'm not saying your opinion is biased...ALL OPINIONS are biased including mine. If you can get 2 seasons of solid production out of a guy that was going to be a bench guy...you can talk trade high but Henry might be good enough to help some teams get deep into their playoffs.Even in Dynasty leagues you have to draw a line in the sand...you can't have a roster full of "potential"...you can have all the guys you want in years 1-3 in the league with pedigrees, but you also need some productive players ages 26-30 that can propel you to a title. Henry would seem to fit the bill right now and is in a decent situation.Just some food for thought as I see you post "Sell High" a lot...I'm not disagreeing for the right price.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
CEO of the Barefoots
Footballguy
I was thinking of offering Roy Williams to an owner in a Dynasty league for Travis Henry.
Kub
Footballguy
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I agree with alot the points you make as well MOP. But for the right price yes, sell high. If you can get a high-to-mid first rounder, send him packing. Some of these offers I'm seeing guys getting in this thread, I wouldn't be able to hit ACCEPT fast enough!I think anybody trying to convince themselves that Shanahan is done playing RB head-games is kidding themselves (or a Henry owner!). Say what you will pundits, but Mike Bell is still around, Shanahan has interest in Betts, and then there's still the draft. The starting RB in Denver changes with the wind, and personally, no, I don't believe Shanahan is done with the RBBC and I don't see Henry as the long-term, full-time answer.
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I would also add to this that alot of anyone's decision-making process on whether to trade or hold Henry would depend on a.) their own team's situation, or b.) their ability to draft. If your close, yeah hold him and enjoy Tatum Bell Part Deux. If you're not a contender, bye-bye Travis! This is NOT the second coming of Clinton Portis or Terrell Davis.But we don't always have to agree, right?
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Kit Fisto
Footballguy
See... dsrm just turned down Adrian Peterson/Calvin Johnson/Marshawn Lynch/JaMarcus Russell/Brady Quinn for Travis Henry.
DSRM, MAKE THAT TRADE!
Dope
Footballguy
Dope
Footballguy
I am not going to turn this into an AC type post.I already have the 1.2 pick, so All-Day or Marshawn will be on my team.The reason that I have the #2 pick (14 team league) is that Travis Henry would be considered my stud RB even if he was still in Tennessee. Now that he is in Denver, his studliness for me increases a whole bunch.See... dsrm just turned down Adrian Peterson/Calvin Johnson/Marshawn Lynch/JaMarcus Russell/Brady Quinn for Travis Henry.DSRM, MAKE THAT TRADE!
Dope
Footballguy
No...I have Henry. I was offered the 1.04.Like I said, if it was the 1.3...I'd probably do it. The dropoff though is pretty extreme.Donnybrook said:I am assuming he was offered Henry.I was offer Henry, 3rd rounder and a 4th rounder for my 1.02 and my 2008 1st rounder. I declined. I have never really liked Henry.See... dsrm just turned down Adrian Peterson/Calvin Johnson/Marshawn Lynch/JaMarcus Russell/Brady Quinn for Travis Henry.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Let's examine this for fun.1.01: No way, people are going to take Peterson as fast as theyware on the clock and I don't want to turn the thread into a AP thread so let's leave this one alone. I don't think anyone will get that offer.
1.02 and 1.03: Again I think most people will not get this as an offer for Henry but looking at the popular rookies...I see WR Calvin Johnson...and Marshawn Lynch. Johnson should be a 10 year pro and a lot of dynasty owners will take him and assume they have a potential top10WR for the next decade.
Lynch will depend on who drafts him. But again I still think most owners will take him. I would probably jump on the 1.02...the 1.03 has a little mystery to it.
OK, let's look at the 1.04 thru 1.10
Micahel Bush, Kenny Irons, Antonio Pittman, all these type of RB that could be drafted in rounds 2, 3, and 4 are risks to me. I would rather have the production out of Henry for the next couple of seasons. In a lot of league I wouldn't have to part with him to get these types of picks. At WR you have guys like Jarrett and Bowe who I think will have good NFL careers but no reason to trade henry for a rookie WR IMO.
I am just putting out food for thought. KF, you're a solid poster and I like reading what you put up here, but I think Henry is better or worth more at this moment than a rookie like Antonio Pittman.
I would rather leverage henry and maybe a decent WR for a guy like Joseph Addai...or put together a package for Maroney...I like the RB from the 1st round last year a whole lot better than the crap after Lynch this season.
krsone21
Footballguy
I turned down a trade of Travis Henry for my Marquis Colston. I'm not a fan of the Denver running situation. Like others have said, someone else may be added to the mix yet and I don't want that headache. Plus how many good years does Travis Henry have left anyway, 2-3 years, where as Colston as long as he stays healthy could have 10+ years of good productivity. To me it wasn't worth it. It all depends on what people value a player at.
CEO of the Barefoots
Footballguy
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
OK, so you're little thin at RB. How do your QBs/WRs look?I am not going to turn this into an AC type post.I already have the 1.2 pick, so All-Day or Marshawn will be on my team.The reason that I have the #2 pick (14 team league) is that Travis Henry would be considered my stud RB even if he was still in Tennessee. Now that he is in Denver, his studliness for me increases a whole bunch.See... dsrm just turned down Adrian Peterson/Calvin Johnson/Marshawn Lynch/JaMarcus Russell/Brady Quinn for Travis Henry.DSRM, MAKE THAT TRADE!
Dope
Footballguy
LOL...I see Willy...waiting for him to join inLoL....I couldn't resist
Dope
Footballguy
QB #1 is solid (Brady)No backups worth mentioning though. I do have a 1.9 pick which should = either jamarcus or BradyWR's are pretty darn good. ocho Cinco, Andre, Hines...with Brandon EEEEEE Marshall and Tony Gonzo as depth.OK, so you're little thin at RB. How do your QBs/WRs look?I am not going to turn this into an AC type post.I already have the 1.2 pick, so All-Day or Marshawn will be on my team.The reason that I have the #2 pick (14 team league) is that Travis Henry would be considered my stud RB even if he was still in Tennessee. Now that he is in Denver, his studliness for me increases a whole bunch.See... dsrm just turned down Adrian Peterson/Calvin Johnson/Marshawn Lynch/JaMarcus Russell/Brady Quinn for Travis Henry.DSRM, MAKE THAT TRADE!
Kit Fisto
Footballguy
I agree with alot of what you say too, MOP. You make valid points. To each his own I guess.
One last thing, talking about Antonio Pittman... this time last year, Joseph Addai was a nobody. Last year's dynasty #1-12 in August/September were typically (in a rough order)...1. Bush
2. Maroney
3. DeAngelo
4. Addai
5. White
6. Leinart
7. Young
8. Jennings
9. Cutler
10. Norwood
11. Santonio Holmes
12. Chad Jackson
I'd take every single one of them except for maybe White, Holmes or Jackson straight-up for Henry. We always say the draft is thin this time of year.
Again though, to each his own!
Riffraff
Footballguy
Pretty much the same price you paid to acquire him a few years ago Dope.
purplehaze67
Footballguy
I've got him in 2 leagues. Floated him out there in both. So far, zero interest in league #1, and only one nibble in league #2. The guy there tossed out a mixed bag, including Brandon Jacobs, Jerramy Stevens, AJ Hawk, Sean Jones, maybe a draft pick.
I am not too thrilled with something in that vein, and will likely stand pat if I can't get a substantially better return. Someone's going to need a back sometime before the season starts. No need to rush to make a deal right now.
I am not too thrilled with something in that vein, and will likely stand pat if I can't get a substantially better return. Someone's going to need a back sometime before the season starts. No need to rush to make a deal right now.
Dope
Footballguy
Yeah...That didn't quite work out the way I hoped. Live and learn.Pretty much the same price you paid to acquire him a few years ago Dope.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
I traded T.Henry for Colsten 2.08 and Chris Taylor yesterday.
Why? Cause i had SA GORE DWILL C.BROWN and MORECNY at rb
And now at wr i got COLSTEN BOLDIN S.MOSS VJAX B.JONES A.BATTLE R.CURRY and Demetrius WILLIAMS at wr.
I liked it and like the above poster said it came down to the years left in the tank.
I do think Henry is a lock for 1400 and 10td's though....I also See Colsten with a potential to hit 1200yrds and 10td's if healhty all 16. He has 1000 and 8td's in mostly 12 games.
Depends on my teams makeup and price if i am buying/selling on henry.
Why? Cause i had SA GORE DWILL C.BROWN and MORECNY at rb
And now at wr i got COLSTEN BOLDIN S.MOSS VJAX B.JONES A.BATTLE R.CURRY and Demetrius WILLIAMS at wr.
I liked it and like the above poster said it came down to the years left in the tank.
I do think Henry is a lock for 1400 and 10td's though....I also See Colsten with a potential to hit 1200yrds and 10td's if healhty all 16. He has 1000 and 8td's in mostly 12 games.
Depends on my teams makeup and price if i am buying/selling on henry.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Exactly. Most sharks are going to make sure they don't overpay for him...wait till the summer unfolds a bit and Henry is worth a lot more as the Denver RB.Sell high to me would be he opens th eseason as the starter, does very well early on with an avg of 100 yds and a TD per week...if he can do that, then you want to sell high if you think it will better your team. Selling high right now unless it really is a blockbuster trade is probably not the best move.
I wouldn't trade Henry straight up for anyone past those first 4 names. Leinert and Young have lots of value, but I'm a QB minimalist as RB's are scarce and QB's are not in most dynasty leagues. Even last year, Henry was RB16 in PPG playing in the wasteland of Tennesee. Denver is a much better situation than Tennesee.I agree with M.O.P., the best time to trade him will be after the first few weeks of the season when Henry puts together some good games and the reality of production drowns out the Denver RB short life-span stigma. Unless somebody knocks my socks off, I'm not trading Henry for developing prospects or roster fodder when his short-term production is bound to be very good and I'll likely be able to get the same if not better during the season.Kit Fisto said:I agree with alot of what you say too, MOP. You make valid points. To each his own I guess.Ministry of Pain said:One last thing, talking about Antonio Pittman... this time last year, Joseph Addai was a nobody. Last year's dynasty #1-12 in August/September were typically (in a rough order)...
1. Bush
2. Maroney
3. DeAngelo
4. Addai
5. White
6. Leinart
7. Young
8. Jennings
9. Cutler
10. Norwood
11. Santonio Holmes
12. Chad Jackson
I'd take every single one of them except for maybe White, Holmes or Jackson straight-up for Henry. We always say the draft is thin this time of year.
Again though, to each his own!
Football Jones
Footballguy
Travis Henry is the best RB they've had since Portis. It's not even close. Shanny runs a 1-RB system when the talent is there. This cat is going to be huge in Denver, IMO.
How long? Who knows. My guess would be 3 strong seasons barring injury.
How long? Who knows. My guess would be 3 strong seasons barring injury.
benson_will_lead_the_way
Footballguy
This one just went down in my 12 team dynasty league
Team A gets: Henry, Travis DEN RB
Year 2007 Draft Pick 3.02
Team B gets: Dunn, Warrick ATL RB
Faulk, Kevin NEP RB
Norwood, Jerious ATL RB
Burress, Plaxico NYG WR
Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.03
Year 2007 Draft Pick 4.01
seems pretty fair.
Team A gets: Henry, Travis DEN RB
Year 2007 Draft Pick 3.02
Team B gets: Dunn, Warrick ATL RB
Faulk, Kevin NEP RB
Norwood, Jerious ATL RB
Burress, Plaxico NYG WR
Year 2007 Draft Pick 2.03
Year 2007 Draft Pick 4.01
seems pretty fair.
purplehaze67
Footballguy
Hmmm...had another owner in league #2 come to me with the 1.04. This team is at least 2 years off from serious competitiveness, so this may be a worthwhile deal. By the time I am ready to make some noise, Henry will be 30+ and possibly out or on the way out in Denver. 1.04 looks kinda weak now in comparison to 1.01-1.03, but I am pretty sure someone else will step up and close that gap at least some.Ministry of Pain said:
Sanboy
Footballguy
i just dealt Henry for the 1.8 rookie pick
3 reasons
( Henry was aquired this season for two # 3 rd picks in week # 2 so the 1.8 is a nice gain )
( Henry was my # 5 Rb so depth wise he was going to sit and rot )
( I do like Henry as a RB .. always have .. even in Tenn when he wasnt getting a chance ... I used to really like him in Buffalo ---------
BUT
I have a hunch personally that the Broncos might not be done either drafting for a RB / trading for a RB / or simply going with some wierd RBBC with Mike Bell ..
so the 1.8 seems like a happy medium
I get to take a chance at a rookie - possibly a M.Bush, IRONS, HUNT, type to stash on my team for later
( we start 2 qb each week .. so top rookie Qb's will go very fast 1.2 , 1.3 and 1.5 most likely Russell , Quinn , Stanton ALL WILL BE GONE TO starting QB weak teams ) ... because of this RB's like Bush , Irons, Hunt all will drop .. there is even a chance CALVIN JOHNSON drops .. BECAUSE teams need Qb's .. and RB's .. someone will take a REACH Rb's .. instead of the top Te or WR . happens every year
-- and in a couple years when my other Rb's start to wear down ( rudi - L.J - L.T ) the project M.Bush will be ready
and the team that dealt for HENRY from me .. was in serious need of a # 1 type RB .. currently on his team he has Norwood and M>Turner and Mike Bell .. so aquiring Henry will immediatly give him a starting Rb .. and if HENRY does do 1400 yards and 12 td 's it was a great trade for him ..
everyones happy
a couple owners touched on this ... it does depend on what your team makeup is at the time of the trade ... your league rules and starting requirements will also be a part of the value
3 reasons
( Henry was aquired this season for two # 3 rd picks in week # 2 so the 1.8 is a nice gain )
( Henry was my # 5 Rb so depth wise he was going to sit and rot )
( I do like Henry as a RB .. always have .. even in Tenn when he wasnt getting a chance ... I used to really like him in Buffalo ---------
BUT
I have a hunch personally that the Broncos might not be done either drafting for a RB / trading for a RB / or simply going with some wierd RBBC with Mike Bell ..
so the 1.8 seems like a happy medium
I get to take a chance at a rookie - possibly a M.Bush, IRONS, HUNT, type to stash on my team for later
( we start 2 qb each week .. so top rookie Qb's will go very fast 1.2 , 1.3 and 1.5 most likely Russell , Quinn , Stanton ALL WILL BE GONE TO starting QB weak teams ) ... because of this RB's like Bush , Irons, Hunt all will drop .. there is even a chance CALVIN JOHNSON drops .. BECAUSE teams need Qb's .. and RB's .. someone will take a REACH Rb's .. instead of the top Te or WR . happens every year
-- and in a couple years when my other Rb's start to wear down ( rudi - L.J - L.T ) the project M.Bush will be ready
and the team that dealt for HENRY from me .. was in serious need of a # 1 type RB .. currently on his team he has Norwood and M>Turner and Mike Bell .. so aquiring Henry will immediatly give him a starting Rb .. and if HENRY does do 1400 yards and 12 td 's it was a great trade for him ..
everyones happy
a couple owners touched on this ... it does depend on what your team makeup is at the time of the trade ... your league rules and starting requirements will also be a part of the value
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So you traded Henry for the 1.08? You traded about 1200-1500 yds and 8-10TD for the next 2 seasons for a project WR at best...or something along the lines of Pittman/Jackson at RB? I would have to see the rest of your team but I would not have traded him for anything less than a solid WR2 that has some track history of production.50% of the 1st/2nd round WR in this year's draft will be complete busts. Rice, Meachem, Bowe, Ginn, Jarrett, JohnnieLee, and yes Calvin Johnson...they can't all be superstars. Now CJ looks like a surefire...even more than Braylon, or Rogers...but the next 6-8 WR...no way they all pan out. And the alternative is some RB that probably is lobbying for a backup role on most teams that draft them. I don't want to be overly critical but I don't see this as a good trade IMHO.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
People don't often evaluate Wrs on the right timeline. Getting a WR early - before his 4th or 5th season - should be considered a bet for later. There are a TON of WRs who could have easily been labeled busts who produced later on. The good news is, the price comes down. For example, there is no doubt in my mind that a guy like Donte Stallworth will outproduce the 3rd WR taken in the upcoming draft over the next 2-3 years. That said, the person sitting on 1.7 isn't likely going to move the pick for Stallworth. More likely, a nice 2nd rounder would get the job done.
Sanboy
Footballguy
1200-1400 yards and 8 - 10 td's??????
you can see into the future ????
my OPINON IS THAT denver is not done .... with the RB position ...
if there is one team / coach / i would not trust it would be denver / shanny
were we not having the same predictions for
Tatum Bell entering year # 2
then
having the same prediction for Tatum Bell entering year # 3
then having the same prediction for Mike Bell entering last season ( once named starter )
there was even talk of ron dayne being able to put up 1200 yards
ITS A ball of ##### every year there ... it wouldnt surprise me in the least to watch Denver draft a top Rb that falls or trade for the likes of L>Betts .....
and IF denver
Drafts a Rb
trades for a Rb
Henrys value just went down the crapper ....
the " next project " .. lets see L.Johnson was all but forgotten for 2 years once he was drafted in a terrible position ... M.Turner is all the "rage " .. L.Maroney went # 7 last year ...
i couldnt / wouldnt be able to trade henry straight up for any of those guys ..
as i said .. Henry was my # 5 rb ( in a start 2 rb league ) ...
if Henry gains 1400 yards .. it was a terrible deal ....
if Henry gains 900 yards and is in a RBBC .. I would much rather have the " project young Rb " who might in 2 years or even 1 year be the next LMaroney , J.Addai, C.Benson, L.White , J.Norwood, M.Turner
i think the phrase COUNTING THE CHICKENS before HENRY HATCHES comes to mind
I am WOW'ed and amazed if owners in skilled dynasty leagues are offering top 1.1 to 1.4 for the likes of T.Henry .. and believe me if 1.1 to 1.4 would have been available i would have jumped at it
to be very honest most people i have talked to believe Henry will be more bust than stud .. but we have all off-season to argue about it . lol
you can see into the future ????
my OPINON IS THAT denver is not done .... with the RB position ...
if there is one team / coach / i would not trust it would be denver / shanny
were we not having the same predictions for
Tatum Bell entering year # 2
then
having the same prediction for Tatum Bell entering year # 3
then having the same prediction for Mike Bell entering last season ( once named starter )
there was even talk of ron dayne being able to put up 1200 yards
ITS A ball of ##### every year there ... it wouldnt surprise me in the least to watch Denver draft a top Rb that falls or trade for the likes of L>Betts .....
and IF denver
Drafts a Rb
trades for a Rb
Henrys value just went down the crapper ....
the " next project " .. lets see L.Johnson was all but forgotten for 2 years once he was drafted in a terrible position ... M.Turner is all the "rage " .. L.Maroney went # 7 last year ...
i couldnt / wouldnt be able to trade henry straight up for any of those guys ..
as i said .. Henry was my # 5 rb ( in a start 2 rb league ) ...
if Henry gains 1400 yards .. it was a terrible deal ....
if Henry gains 900 yards and is in a RBBC .. I would much rather have the " project young Rb " who might in 2 years or even 1 year be the next LMaroney , J.Addai, C.Benson, L.White , J.Norwood, M.Turner
i think the phrase COUNTING THE CHICKENS before HENRY HATCHES comes to mind
I am WOW'ed and amazed if owners in skilled dynasty leagues are offering top 1.1 to 1.4 for the likes of T.Henry .. and believe me if 1.1 to 1.4 would have been available i would have jumped at it
to be very honest most people i have talked to believe Henry will be more bust than stud .. but we have all off-season to argue about it . lol
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