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Ilov80s said:
Anyone have quotes from last year when Stacy was emerging? Did the staff feign loyalty to the other backs?
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This is what I could find after Stacy's first legitimate workload of the season last year.


Coach Jeff Fisher confirmed Monday rookie Zac Stacy will remain the Rams' starting tailback in Week 6 against the Texans.
"He'll probably start the game off, just like he did yesterday," said Fisher, implicitly confirming Stacy's alleged Week 5 rib injury is not a concern for his Week 6 availability. (Stacy only had his wind knocked out.) Stacy finished with 78 yards on 14 carries (5.6 YPC) against the Jaguars on Sunday, and Fisher told reporters Monday he wanted the rookie to handle a larger workload. "Would've liked to see him get more carries," said Fisher, "but that's the way the game went."
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Essentially, it was the polar opposite last year with Stacy emerging.

 
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SameSongNDance said:
Ilov80s said:
Anyone have quotes from last year when Stacy was emerging? Did the staff feign loyalty to the other backs?
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This is what I could find after Stacy's first legitimate workload of the season last year.









Coach Jeff Fisher confirmed Monday rookie Zac Stacy will remain the Rams' starting tailback in Week 6 against the Texans.

"He'll probably start the game off, just like he did yesterday," said Fisher, implicitly confirming Stacy's alleged Week 5 rib injury is not a concern for his Week 6 availability. (Stacy only had his wind knocked out.) Stacy finished with 78 yards on 14 carries (5.6 YPC) against the Jaguars on Sunday, and Fisher told reporters Monday he wanted the rookie to handle a larger workload. "Would've liked to see him get more carries," said Fisher, "but that's the way the game went."
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Thank you.
 
Zac Stacy’s role in the Rams’ newfound committee. That’s because Stacy didn’t have a role in the Rams’ newfound committee, registering zero touches to Tre Mason’s 18 and Benny Cunningham’s seven. The Rams are making a switch, with Mason pounding between the tackles and Cunningham doing work in the passing game. Stacy shouldn’t have many more zero-touch afternoons, but his lead-dog days are long gone. He can safely be dropped in 12-14 team leagues.

per Patrick Daugherty ; a football and baseball writer for Rotoworld.com.

 
The Rams just beat the World Champs with Mason... They are not going to be going back to Stacy....

 
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OrangeJulius said:
The Rams just beat the World Champs with Mason... They are not going to be going back to Stacy....
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I don't think anyone is concerned with going back to Stacy as the lead back. I think there is a legit concern that they use all 3 backs just enough to neutralize the value of Mason.
 
Ilov80s said:
OrangeJulius said:
The Rams just beat the World Champs with Mason... They are not going to be going back to Stacy....
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I don't think anyone is concerned with going back to Stacy as the lead back. I think there is a legit concern that they use all 3 backs just enough to neutralize the value of Mason.
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They just beat the World Champs with Mason as the 1st and 2nd down bell cow....

Mason can catch too - he is not a liability in the passing game. Once his blocking gets better he will be an every down back!

 
OrangeJulius said:
Ilov80s said:
OrangeJulius said:
The Rams just beat the World Champs with Mason... They are not going to be going back to Stacy....
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I don't think anyone is concerned with going back to Stacy as the lead back. I think there is a legit concern that they use all 3 backs just enough to neutralize the value of Mason.
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They just beat the World Champs with Mason as the 1st and 2nd down bell cow....Mason can catch too - he is not a liability in the passing game. Once his blocking gets better he will be an every down back!
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I'm in, he's a huge target for me this week. I'm just saying that there are things to think about.
 
I've got a bad feeling about this. Mason will likely be the lead back in a 3 headed rbbc. If this is true he's little more than a flex option

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Zac Stacy’s role in the Rams’ newfound committee. That’s because Stacy didn’t have a role in the Rams’ newfound committee, registering zero touches to Tre Mason’s 18 and Benny Cunningham’s seven. The Rams are making a switch, with Mason pounding between the tackles and Cunningham doing work in the passing game. Stacy shouldn’t have many more zero-touch afternoons, but his lead-dog days are long gone. He can safely be dropped in 12-14 team leagues.

per Patrick Daugherty ; a football and baseball writer for Rotoworld.com.
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Cant understand this advice. Unfortunately, all three need to be held.

 
BustedKnuckles said:
Rams coach Jeff Fisher said the team's running back situation will continue to be a "week-to-week thing," adding Zac Stacy's lack of playing time Sunday wasn't an indicator of things to come. Stacy played one snap and got zero carries in the win over the Seahawks.

"We've got three outstanding runners," Fisher said, referring to Stacy, Benny Cunninghamand rookie Tre Mason. "And as I mentioned, we think Trey Watts can also help us, so we're going to use them all. It'll be a week-to-week thing. Zac could get 25 carries this week
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yeah, ok --- you've got all these outstanding runners so you took the 5th rb off the board in the 3rd round.

 
I think Mason will be named the starter eventually. How could Fisher name him the starter this week when he almost cost them the game with that fumble?

 
Seems like Mason should eventually be the guy, but I would temper expectations for the near term until he can truly separate himself from Stacy and Cunningham. That means ball security (obviously) and improvment in pass pro so that he is not automatically removed in passing situations.

 
The schedule is daunting in and of itself, and then the question is how will StL use Tre when trailing.

However weeks 13-16 go: Oak, @Was, ARI, NYG.

As for the weeks before week 13, well as Seattle proved one way to avoid falling behind early is use Mason early and often, build up a lead and then run him some more. Maybe StL gets better with him in there also.

 
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Tre Mason

Tre Mason entered the national consciousness with a bang on Sunday, ripping off 85 yards and a touchdown on 18 carries in the Rams’ surprising victory of the defending champion Seahawks. Mason showed off the impressive skills that had scouts drooling this draft season. After this impressive a performance, it would be easy to proclaim Mason the next big thing, but it is important to pump the brakes a bit on his Canton enshrinement.

Earlier in the week OC Brian Schottenheimer made it clear the team would employ a “hot hand” approach at the running back position. In this game Mason had the hot hand, but that may not always be the case. Benny Cunninghamstarted and was as involved as Mason early on. If the “hot hand” philosophy continues, we could see a situation next week where Cunningham dominates the carries.

There is also the issue of Mason’s pass blocking. He was on the field for six passing downs against the Seahawks, and was not asked to pass block once according to Pro Football Focus. If the Rams get down big, it is safe to predict Mason’s inability to pass block would relegate him to the sidelines.

With Zac Stacy only given one snap, it is clear Mason has a role moving forward. The real question will be how much the coaching staff trusts the rookie – especially following a potentially costly late fumble – and how much of the field he will see if the Rams get down big. I would imagine not a lot, which will make him a risky play week to week. He is easily behind Bryce Brown as a waiver add, and may be behind Denard Robinson depending on needs.

 
What reason would Fisher have for making some kind of official announcement that Tre Mason is the new starting RB after one good game? It would be disrespectful to Stacy & Cunningham and give Mason the impression that the competition is over. It's much wiser for Fisher to pretend to be "playing the hot hand" and let Mason continue to be that hot hand until it's obvious to everyone that he's the lead back. No official announcement is really necessary is it? By the end of our fantasy season, weeks 13-16, Mason should clearly be the lead back with a fantastic schedule. Might even be more involved in the passing game by then. Just have to be patient.

 
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There is no benefit to calling Mason the starter now, you're right

What good comes of that? The other two backs, immediately become demotivated, and Mason could become content (tho if you know Mason, he has an insane hunger to succeed... that's part of why I love him)

Mason doesnt have the starting gig by the balls. Not yet. The ball is FIRMLY in his court, and if he continues w his current play, the job will be his, I have no doubt..

STL still needs the other two backs to be hungry. The need the other two backs period.

But much like in CLE (my team) there is NO room for 3 active, and solid RBs.... didnt work in CAR, it's not working in CLE and it wont work in STL either.

RBs need activity and need continuity. That doesnt go down w a 3 back system

 
Even with a 4th quarter lead on the Seahawks, Fisher didn't go to his bruising back. Stacy's carries the past 5 weeks have been 19, 12, 11, 8, 0, and the Rams are running the ball on average over 30 times per game. That's a pretty pronounced trend.

Even if Stacy and Austin combine for 5-6 carries and Cunningham gets another 6-7, is anyone really going to be upset with 18 carries for Mason with possible passing game targets as well? The Rams only ran 49 plays, and Mason still got 18 carries last week. Jeff Fisher saying "Zac could get 25 carries" is a flat out lie.

 
Ive mentioned Stacy's downword spiral more than once, to no avail.

People see what they want to see.

There is no denying the evidence, though

 
satch said:
What reason would Fisher have for making some kind of official announcement that Tre Mason is the new starting RB after one good game? It would be disrespectful to Stacy & Cunningham and give Mason the impression that the competition is over. It's much wiser for Fisher to pretend to be "playing the hot hand" and let Mason continue to be that hot hand until it's obvious to everyone that he's the lead back. No official announcement is really necessary is it? By the end of our fantasy season, weeks 13-16, Mason should clearly be the lead back with a fantastic schedule. Might even be more involved in the passing game by then. Just have to be patient.
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What reason would Fisher have to change his MO from last year regarding this same exact situation? Stacy got 14 carries vs. JAC in week 5 after totaling totaling exactly 1 in the first month and Fisher followed up that game saying..

“Yes, I think we’ll probably start this game off the same way we did yesterday,” Fisher said matter of factly. “(I) would’ve liked to seen him get more carries, but that was the way the game went," Fisher said. "He was hitting the hole and he had yards after contact -- the violent yards, we refer to them at the running back position. He got to what he needed to do in the passing game and I thought in protection he was excellent.”
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If it's much wiser for Fisher to pretend to be playing the hot hand, then why didn't he come out and say "we have three great running backs in Richardson, Cunningham and Stacy" after that game last year instead of naming Stacy the starter moving forward. I don't know, it seems odd to me that he exhibited such polarizing stances on essentially identical situations.

 
Good luck trying to figure out Fisher's comments, or any coach's for that matter.

Only can go by what they do - this coming Sunday should be very telling.

 
People are thinking way too much about this.

Mason looks like the far, far superior back to Stacy. And he helped contribute to a win over the defending champs.

Stacy has no value so long as Mason is healthy.

 
SameSongNDance said:
If it's much wiser for Fisher to pretend to be playing the hot hand, then why didn't he come out and say "we have three great running backs in Richardson, Cunningham and Stacy" after that game last year instead of naming Stacy the starter moving forward. I don't know, it seems odd to me that he exhibited such polarizing stances on essentially identical situations.
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Maybe (a) we're simply reading too much into what a coach says the media, or (b) they aren't identical situations considering Stacy didn't cough up the football at a critical point in the game leading up to the commentary you quoted.

 
Fisher is a moron if he doesn't keep starting Mason, Greg Robinson and Aaron Donald. These 3 should be cornerstones of your franchise.

 
Zab said:
People are thinking way too much about this.

Mason looks like the far, far superior back to Stacy. And he helped contribute to a win over the defending champs.
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He also nearly - and unnecessarily - fumbled the game away. Need to look at the whole picture.

 
I'm just on the fence on starting him in a match-up where STL is supposed to be trailing at some point. I feel like it's a fair concern. I'm seriously debating starting Cunningham in PPR instead. :shrug:

 
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Fisher is a moron if he doesn't keep starting Mason, Greg Robinson and Aaron Donald. These 3 should be cornerstones of your franchise.
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amen.

now, correct me if IM wrong, but wasnt Robinson first start in week 6 v SF? Also the game in which Mason had his coming out (his first ever game)

Continued into week 7....

Seems like Fisher just knew to give the rooks some time to adapt before unleashing them. Said this from the start - Robinson + Mason have CHEMISTRY, and it will translate to the field.

 
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So the fear here is that in his first complete game as the lead dog, Fisher will bench his BEST running back because of a fumble that was recovered by his own team?

Fisher is going to punish his entire team instead of coaching/teaching Mason to not go for the homerun on that play and just get the yards and end the game?

I dont think so, tim.

 
I picked him up last week. I'm already pretty solid at RB and need WR help, so I'm shopping him around. His upcoming schedule worries me. However, I certainly won't be just giving him away...

 
Soulfly3 said:
So the fear here is that in his first complete game as the lead dog, Fisher will bench his BEST running back because of a fumble that was recovered by his own team?

Fisher is going to punish his entire team instead of coaching/teaching Mason to not go for the homerun on that play and just get the yards and end the game?

I dont think so, tim.
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No, no that's not the worry. IMO it has jack to do with the fumble. The worry is that Cunningham will see the majority of the snaps when STL is playing catch-up as he's the best of the two at pass pro. It's a seemingly minuscule but legitimate worry. I mean, was there ever a point in the SEA game where STL wasn't leading? Serious question as I'm not sure.

As I said STL is playing at KC this weekend in a game where Vegas is favoring KC by a score. Are you telling me you can't envision a scenario where KC is leading, STL is playing catch-up and Cunningham isn't commanding the backfield?

 
SameSongNDance said:
Fisher in 2013 following Stacy's first big game: “Yes, I think we’ll probably start this game off the same way we did yesterday,” Fisher said matter of factly. “(I) would’ve liked to seen him (Stacy) get more carries, but that was the way the game went," Fisher said. "He was hitting the hole and he had yards after contact -- the violent yards, we refer to them at the running back position. He got to what he needed to do in the passing game and I thought in protection he was excellent.”
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If it's much wiser for Fisher to pretend to be playing the hot hand, then why didn't he come out and say "we have three great running backs in Richardson, Cunningham and Stacy" after that game last year instead of naming Stacy the starter moving forward. I don't know, it seems odd to me that he exhibited such polarizing stances on essentially identical situations.
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Wow, great research here. Thanks.

 
SameSongNDance said:
Soulfly3 said:
So the fear here is that in his first complete game as the lead dog, Fisher will bench his BEST running back because of a fumble that was recovered by his own team?

Fisher is going to punish his entire team instead of coaching/teaching Mason to not go for the homerun on that play and just get the yards and end the game?

I dont think so, tim.
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No, no that's not the worry. IMO it has jack to do with the fumble. The worry is that Cunningham will see the majority of the snaps when STL is playing catch-up as he's the best of the two at pass pro. It's a seemingly minuscule but legitimate worry. I mean, was there ever a point in the SEA game where STL wasn't leading? Serious question as I'm not sure.

As I said STL is playing at KC this weekend in a game where Vegas is favoring KC by a score. Are you telling me you can't envision a scenario where KC is leading, STL is playing catch-up and Cunningham isn't commanding the backfield?
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I have no idea how that will play out if they're behind. I've never said anything to the contrary...

Time will tell. But one thing is, if the o-line plays up to potential (which is elite), there will be less emphasis on Mason ahving to pass protect, tho of course, he wont be devoid of that role.

Definitely needs to improve in that area, tho I also dont think he is inept.

 
Tango said:
SameSongNDance said:
Fisher in 2013 following Stacy's first big game: Yes, I think well probably start this game off the same way we did yesterday, Fisher said matter of factly. (I) wouldve liked to seen him (Stacy) get more carries, but that was the way the game went," Fisher said. "He was hitting the hole and he had yards after contact -- the violent yards, we refer to them at the running back position. He got to what he needed to do in the passing game and I thought in protection he was excellent.
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If it's much wiser for Fisher to pretend to be playing the hot hand, then why didn't he come out and say "we have three great running backs in Richardson, Cunningham and Stacy" after that game last year instead of naming Stacy the starter moving forward. I don't know, it seems odd to me that he exhibited such polarizing stances on essentially identical situations.
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Wow, great research here. Thanks.
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It is great research, thanks. However, I don't think the situations are identical. Last year Stacy won an open competition for starting RB. There was no true incumbent. This year, Mason appears to be on the verge of the replacing the incumbent, but poorly performing starter Stacy. The differences call for different coach speak during the transition. Kind of silly to spend too much time dissecting coach speak when it's pretty clear what's happening. Stacy is playing himself off the field while Mason is playing himself onto the field. Stacy's success last year was a product of volume, while Mason appears to be talented enough to create his own success.

 
After the last 2 games Mason should be given every opportunity to succeed. Basically his job to lose at this point.

 
Yeah I'm much more worried about his playing time being limited because they need top throw to catch up then that fumble.

Pretty sure that fumble has been addressed and the kid understands he needs to understand game situations better.

 
The fumble was absolutely an error on Mason's part

But given that all ended well, you'd think Fisher would love the enthusiasm and drive of Mason on that carry. should he have held on and just went down? YES

But come on... we cant knock a kid cuz he wanted to go beastmode bonkers on the Hawks. That's kinda admirable. You wanna see that fire in a guy's belly.

Im sure it was addressed and is a non-issue... unless it happens again

 
Soulfly3 said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Soulfly3 said:
Said this from the start - Robinson + Mason have CHEMISTRY, and it will translate to the field.
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Can one single lineman really have chemistry with a running back? I like Mason fine but this is silly.
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When that lineman is of the finest pedigree, yes... I do believe so.

In fact, didnt he use Greg as his lead when he scored just this week?
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You're reaching terribly. Just stick to getting a good call on Mason right. It's good enough.
 
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