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Tre Mason (4 Viewers)

im dying to see how soulfly spins this into a good performance...should be way more entertaining than this game

 
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BustedKnuckles said:
im dying to see how soulfly spins this into a good performance...should be way more entertaining than this game
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He had 11/15 Rams rushes for 27 yards! Vicious fumble just an outlier.ETA: If Gordon goes 5/44/0, his head might explode.

 
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Well, I just spent the past few days trying to justify why I wasn't starting Mason in week 15 vs the Cardinals and now I'm going to spend the next week trying to justify why I am going to start him next week vs the Giants. He'll be a strong play in week 16.

 
Wow, was that ever bad. Arizona just avalanched every run play besides those two cutback runs. I still think Mason is good, but last night's stat line won't back that statement up.

 
gonna be a tough one to recover from, but the dude im playing had k Williams, he got 8 from him, so only 5 down.. still a shot, but yep, tried for the home run ball, oh well.

way too much analysis, should kept him on the bench, zona run d is very tough

 
rockaction said:
Wow, was that ever bad. Arizona just avalanched every run play besides those two cutback runs. I still think Mason is good, but last night's stat line won't back that statement up.
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Most of us looking at benching him (or not) last night were comparing him to guys who are in some form of RBBC. His advantage vs Herron/Blount/Ingram is that he supposedly gets the volume carries...it's not pass-catching, size, team points scored/yds gained.

But If Benny is taking key snaps away, his primary advantage is mitigated and his value goes down to near/to the bottom of that group.

Cunningham looked too good to me in his limited action last week vs Washington for me to think that Fisher wouldnt turn the volume knob up a little on him and down on Mason. And Cunningham did get some key snaps last night (both early and late), but it turned out that Cunningham wasnt the reason for the problem last night. Mason was. A handful of times he'd show nice burst on 1st and 10 and gain 7 yards...and then the next play would lose yardage or go for no gain. Hill would throw an incompletion...and then they'd punt. The only siliver lining in the debacle is that Fisher didnt turn even more to Cunningham. I thought for a moment we'd start to see Cunningham on 1st.

 
Tango said:
rockaction said:
Wow, was that ever bad. Arizona just avalanched every run play besides those two cutback runs. I still think Mason is good, but last night's stat line won't back that statement up.
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Most of us looking at benching him (or not) last night were comparing him to guys who are in some form of RBBC. His advantage vs Herron/Blount/Ingram is that he supposedly gets the volume carries...it's not pass-catching, size, team points scored/yds gained.

But If Benny is taking key snaps away, his primary advantage is mitigated and his value goes down to near/to the bottom of that group.

Cunningham looked too good to me in his limited action last week vs Washington for me to think that Fisher wouldnt turn the volume knob up a little on him and down on Mason. And Cunningham did get some key snaps last night (both early and late), but it turned out that Cunningham wasnt the reason for the problem last night. Mason was. A handful of times he'd show nice burst on 1st and 10 and gain 7 yards...and then the next play would lose yardage or go for no gain. Hill would throw an incompletion...and then they'd punt. The only siliver lining in the debacle is that Fisher didnt turn even more to Cunningham. I thought for a moment we'd start to see Cunningham on 1st.
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Spot on! I kept thinking he'd break to the second level at some point but it just didn't happen. No doubt he has talent and I chose him over hill and Ingram based on his burst. It backfired and so did using rams D. But last week I got a combined 4 points from Gordon and Graham and had my high score of the season so there is hope...

 
I benched him and dodged a bullet there. I had him, J. Bell, Blount, and Herron. I knew I was going to start Bell because he's scored 20+ points on my bench the last 2 weeks. I think I'm going to start Bell and Herron, just b/c I don't trust Belicheck. I was between Herron and Mason last night, and I went with Herron simply becuase I just need my RB's to not crap the bed and I think I'll be OK. I'm glad I didn't start Mason. He officially crapped the bed.

 
I'm not sure I understand the people who say they decided to swing for the fences and start Mason last night when Mason is the opposite of a swing for the fences player in a game vs a team you don't swing for the fences against on the ground. Based on his body of work and the defense he was facing, Mason's ceiling last night was about 10-12 points. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night. How could anyone starting Mason expect more than 10 points, especially knowing he gets replaced often on 3rd down and at the goal line? No ones boat is sunk if they started Mason last night, he got 1 point instead of 10. No one should have been expecting 15+ points from him last night. You can make that up with other players. It's just now you may have to really swing for the fences with a player who can actually hit a home run. Guys like Latavius Murray facing the Chiefs, Martavis Bryant vs Atlanta, James Starks if Lacy can't go. Harry Douglas if Julio is out, Donte Moncreif because the Texans have said they will focus on TY Hilton. Or you could even look at Marquess Wilson since Marshall is out. These are all guys you might have or can get off of waivers, are in a good situation, and could explode this week more than your typical 10-12 point RB2, WR2, or Flex.​
 
Mozeta said:
. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night.​
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Arizona has a Top 10 run d, but iirc they've been giving up a bunch of homerun long-runs this year

 
Mozeta said:
I'm not sure I understand the people who say they decided to swing for the fences and start Mason last night when Mason is the opposite of a swing for the fences player in a game vs a team you don't swing for the fences against on the ground. Based on his body of work and the defense he was facing, Mason's ceiling last night was about 10-12 points. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night. How could anyone starting Mason expect more than 10 points, especially knowing he gets replaced often on 3rd down and at the goal line? No ones boat is sunk if they started Mason last night, he got 1 point instead of 10. No one should have been expecting 15+ points from him last night. You can make that up with other players. It's just now you may have to really swing for the fences with a player who can actually hit a home run. Guys like Latavius Murray facing the Chiefs, Martavis Bryant vs Atlanta, James Starks if Lacy can't go. Harry Douglas if Julio is out, Donte Moncreif because the Texans have said they will focus on TY Hilton. Or you could even look at Marquess Wilson since Marshall is out. These are all guys you might have or can get off of waivers, are in a good situation, and could explode this week more than your typical 10-12 point RB2, WR2, or Flex.
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I agree. I was hoping for high floor.

 
Mozeta said:
I'm not sure I understand the people who say they decided to swing for the fences and start Mason last night when Mason is the opposite of a swing for the fences player in a game vs a team you don't swing for the fences against on the ground. Based on his body of work and the defense he was facing, Mason's ceiling last night was about 10-12 points. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night. How could anyone starting Mason expect more than 10 points, especially knowing he gets replaced often on 3rd down and at the goal line? No ones boat is sunk if they started Mason last night, he got 1 point instead of 10. No one should have been expecting 15+ points from him last night. You can make that up with other players. It's just now you may have to really swing for the fences with a player who can actually hit a home run. Guys like Latavius Murray facing the Chiefs, Martavis Bryant vs Atlanta, James Starks if Lacy can't go. Harry Douglas if Julio is out, Donte Moncreif because the Texans have said they will focus on TY Hilton. Or you could even look at Marquess Wilson since Marshall is out. These are all guys you might have or can get off of waivers, are in a good situation, and could explode this week more than your typical 10-12 point RB2, WR2, or Flex.​
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That's 20/20 hindsight.

Those that started Mason I'm sure expected a lot more offensive opportunities given how the Rams defense has been playing lights out, the team was at home playing on turf, commitment to the run, etc.

While Arizona's DEF has also been quite strong, they have shown some cracks of late versus the run game. What a lot of folks didn't expect is how much the Rams OL would be destroyed to the point of virtually no offensive production whatsoever.

 
Tango said:
Mozeta said:
. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night.​
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Arizona has a Top 10 run d, but iirc they've been giving up a bunch of homerun long-runs this year
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Perhaps, but even if Mason rips off a 20 yard TD run last night, it still only gives you a total of 9 points. Someone posted earlier the under/over on his rushing yards was 62.5 and scoring TD's was 1.5. My point was he wasn't a swing for the fences play last night. However, for those people who started him, you may be in a swing for the fences type situation now and may need to start looking at those options. If somehow you make it past this week, I think Mason bounces back with a decent game vs the Giants. The Giants are a bad defense and the Rams will get extra rest and time to prepare. I think 10-12 points will be Mason's floor in week 16.

 
Mozeta said:
Tango said:
Mozeta said:
. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night.​
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Arizona has a Top 10 run d, but iirc they've been giving up a bunch of homerun long-runs this year
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Perhaps, but even if Mason rips off a 20 yard TD run last night, it still only gives you a total of 9 points. Someone posted earlier the under/over on his rushing yards was 62.5 and scoring TD's was 1.5. My point was he wasn't a swing for the fences play last night. However, for those people who started him, you may be in a swing for the fences type situation now and may need to start looking at those options. If somehow you make it past this week, I think Mason bounces back with a decent game vs the Giants. The Giants are a bad defense and the Rams will get extra rest and time to prepare. I think 10-12 points will be Mason's floor in week 16.
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If you are talking about benching studs to swing for the fences with Mason last night, I totally agree. But some of us schlubs are selecting from a roster of RB3s like Herron, Vereen, Bernard, etc. Where of those options Mason had clear upside with big play ability. I agree with you though that choosing to swing for the fences over clear RB1 or RB2 guys would have been foolhardy.

 
I started him in half my leagues last night but felt going in he was a poor start. Was hoping for chance of long run, TD or a like last time the faced Arizona catching a few passes but don't confuse hope with a plan. What he actually did last night was not unexpected, but in my case my other options were Pierre Thomas, Chris Johnson, and Bryce Brown which all seem better now of course but not yesterday.

Nothing about last nights game makes me think any less of Mason, kind of surprised to it did for a lot of you. Arizona had the #2 ranked defense for giving up least amount of fantasy points to RB's, last time they played he ran for 48 yards. Not sure what people were expecting.

 
Well, nothing we can do about it now but hope we move on in the playoffs and start talking about what we expect from him next week vs the Giants.

 
Well, everyone is making some good points. I was surprised at the lack of receptions and Cunnigham being as active as he was. I factored in Arizona recently giving up long runs and Mason's average on turf. I also was counting on the a Rams D to provide short fields. Who could have predicted the fumble and the 5 straight three and outs in the second half? A couple of his runs, I though he'd bust one. Even against Arizona I liked him more than Hill or Ingram. What can I say? Those guys seem like plodders compared to him and the a Rams looked like a team on the rise. Add to that I'll most likely be without Julio so this play felt right.

But now I'm really in a hole and I'm a clear underdog. Now I'm considering Manziel over Wilson...God help me...

 
Him said:
I've benched this guy during all his bad games and started him for the good ones.

:pickle:
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great, thanks for that hard hitting analysis. Maybe next time you can chime in before a game and let us know why you decided to start or sit him. Otherwise you worthless here.

 
All week I had him set to start. Wife had a holiday party to attend. An empty house, myself, the dog and beer and some TNF and a little Tre Mason. What could be better? Nothing.

Get the call that I need to attend the party (whip cracked) so I pull Mason since I can't watch the game. And the rest is history. I thanked her boss after the game was over. He asked "why" and I said "you'll never understand". He's in fashion.

The week is far from over but at least I have a shot.

That's my story for today

 
Mozeta said:
I'm not sure I understand the people who say they decided to swing for the fences and start Mason last night when Mason is the opposite of a swing for the fences player in a game vs a team you don't swing for the fences against on the ground. Based on his body of work and the defense he was facing, Mason's ceiling last night was about 10-12 points. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night. How could anyone starting Mason expect more than 10 points, especially knowing he gets replaced often on 3rd down and at the goal line? No ones boat is sunk if they started Mason last night, he got 1 point instead of 10. No one should have been expecting 15+ points from him last night. You can make that up with other players. It's just now you may have to really swing for the fences with a player who can actually hit a home run. Guys like Latavius Murray facing the Chiefs, Martavis Bryant vs Atlanta, James Starks if Lacy can't go. Harry Douglas if Julio is out, Donte Moncreif because the Texans have said they will focus on TY Hilton. Or you could even look at Marquess Wilson since Marshall is out. These are all guys you might have or can get off of waivers, are in a good situation, and could explode this week more than your typical 10-12 point RB2, WR2, or Flex.​
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I think your opinion is the most centered I've ever read.

 
buck naked said:
Mozeta said:
I'm not sure I understand the people who say they decided to swing for the fences and start Mason last night when Mason is the opposite of a swing for the fences player in a game vs a team you don't swing for the fences against on the ground. Based on his body of work and the defense he was facing, Mason's ceiling last night was about 10-12 points. When I think of swinging for the fences with a running back, I'm thinking of someone facing a soft run D who is going to rack up a lot of yards, have the possibility of a score or two, and catch passes out of the backfield. Mason was not in a situation for any of those things to happen last night. How could anyone starting Mason expect more than 10 points, especially knowing he gets replaced often on 3rd down and at the goal line? No ones boat is sunk if they started Mason last night, he got 1 point instead of 10. No one should have been expecting 15+ points from him last night. You can make that up with other players. It's just now you may have to really swing for the fences with a player who can actually hit a home run. Guys like Latavius Murray facing the Chiefs, Martavis Bryant vs Atlanta, James Starks if Lacy can't go. Harry Douglas if Julio is out, Donte Moncreif because the Texans have said they will focus on TY Hilton. Or you could even look at Marquess Wilson since Marshall is out. These are all guys you might have or can get off of waivers, are in a good situation, and could explode this week more than your typical 10-12 point RB2, WR2, or Flex.​
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I think your opinion is the most centered I've ever read.
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agree 100%

I basically wiimped out and played for the "safe" 10-12 pt floor, hoping he might get a TD and put up a 20. No way would I have considered mason an upside play. I'd fully intended to play marquis lee, so just gotta hope my opponent has a dud as well. Feel like one of Edelman, Lafell, or Wallace will bust, so not givin up hope on friday.

 
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