Tre Mason (1 Viewer)

[Coeur de Lion]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

 

[georg013]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

Lol. Spot on.

 

[menobrown]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

i always hate these comments.

i do not think one person in the world thinks the rams care about their team so whats this type of comment for? just to be a nice person?

isnt this the place we discuss a players value and and have overall general discussion?

drafting bpa over need is why 7-9 teams stay 7-9 for what its worth.

Actually its the opposite. The best run teams (GB, NE, NYG, Pitt, BAL, grab the BPA 9 times out of 10 over need - sometimes those two things match up, sometimes they don't.

The Jets didn't need a DL at all, but as a fan, I'm glad they went with the BPA. It finally shows that they get it.

Seriously. Drafting for need over BPA is really dumb. I honestly can't believe that anyone would argue otherwise, particularly with regard to a top 10 overall pick.

Doing either in a vacuum is dumb.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

i always hate these comments.

i do not think one person in the world thinks the rams care about their team so whats this type of comment for? just to be a nice person?

isnt this the place we discuss a players value and and have overall general discussion?

drafting bpa over need is why 7-9 teams stay 7-9 for what its worth.

Actually its the opposite. The best run teams (GB, NE, NYG, Pitt, BAL, grab the BPA 9 times out of 10 over need - sometimes those two things match up, sometimes they don't.

The Jets didn't need a DL at all, but as a fan, I'm glad they went with the BPA. It finally shows that they get it.

Seriously. Drafting for need over BPA is really dumb. I honestly can't believe that anyone would argue otherwise, particularly with regard to a top 10 overall pick.

Doing either in a vacuum is dumb.

well, yeah, because you wouldn't be able to breathe

 

[Bob Magaw]

As a Cowboys fan I'd love to see Mason taken off your hands. You can have the dude who tore his ACL so effortlessly.

Tearing an ACL isn't as bad as it was, Brady, Peterson, Charles, Gronk, Gore, Rivers, Maclin, Wayne and others have come back and produced at all pro levels.

Surgical/rehab techniques have advanced considerably since Brian's Song-era Gale Sayers.

 

[cvnpoka]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

 

[mquinnjr]

Since this has turned into a gurley support and mason hate thread,


Tre Mason ‏@TreMason 21m21 minutes ago
Doubting me..?

Maybe a who wins the starting job: Gurley vs. Mason poll would settle it

 

[mr roboto]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

i always hate these comments.

i do not think one person in the world thinks the rams care about their team so whats this type of comment for? just to be a nice person?

isnt this the place we discuss a players value and and have overall general discussion?

drafting bpa over need is why 7-9 teams stay 7-9 for what its worth.

Actually its the opposite. The best run teams (GB, NE, NYG, Pitt, BAL, grab the BPA 9 times out of 10 over need - sometimes those two things match up, sometimes they don't.

The Jets didn't need a DL at all, but as a fan, I'm glad they went with the BPA. It finally shows that they get it.

Seriously. Drafting for need over BPA is really dumb. I honestly can't believe that anyone would argue otherwise, particularly with regard to a top 10 overall pick.

Doing either in a vacuum is dumb.

Trying to do anything in a vacuum is dumb.

 

[msudaisy26]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

Laurence Maroney?

David Wilson after the Giants won a super bowl?

Colts traded a first for Richardson

Saints with Mark Ingram.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

As a Cowboys fan I'd love to see Mason taken off your hands. You can have the dude who tore his ACL so effortlessly.

You mean the way most players tear their ACL?

According to doctors the chance of a re-tear is less than 2%.

Most players tear their ACL ? Tell RGIII and Ronnie Brown it's less then 2%.

What concerns me the most about Gurley's injury is how he tore it running but not making a major cut or getting rolled up on.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

Laurence Maroney?

David Wilson after the Giants won a super bowl?

Colts traded a first for Richardson

Saints with Mark Ingram.

how'd that work out?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

like the team that's been in back to back Super Bowls? Bad teams like that?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As a Cowboys fan I'd love to see Mason taken off your hands. You can have the dude who tore his ACL so effortlessly.

You mean the way most players tear their ACL?

According to doctors the chance of a re-tear is less than 2%.

Most players tear their ACL ?

Most tears are done effortlessly. Usually without contact.

 

[msudaisy26]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

Laurence Maroney?

David Wilson after the Giants won a super bowl?

Colts traded a first for Richardson

Saints with Mark Ingram.

how'd that work out?

The Pats never missed a beat

The Colts have been a great up and coming team.

Saints have been a top 10 team most years

The Giants not so much.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

The draft did, somewhat. I don't think the contracts show anything though. Murray signed roughly the same contract as Torrey Smith and Mark Ingram got about as much money as a backup tight end (Lance Kendricks).

 

[Slapdash]

Since this has turned into a gurley support and mason hate thread,


Tre Mason ‏@TreMason 21m21 minutes ago
Doubting me..?

Mason is a talented, hard working back. It is the situation I doubt.

 

[menobrown]

Isn't Mason young enough that he's worth a hold and might go to a new team in 2016 or 2017?

Yes of course, he's not a dead asset just a heavily devalued one. He's in the same boat as someone like Michaels but with a few different variables, some positive and some negative.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

Laurence Maroney?

David Wilson after the Giants won a super bowl?

Colts traded a first for Richardson

Saints with Mark Ingram.

how'd that work out?

The Pats never missed a beat

The Colts have been a great up and coming team.

Saints have been a top 10 team most years

The Giants not so much.

I guess that richardson trade is vindicated, then

maybe trading next year's first for toby gerhart will get them over the hump

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Obviously, this was a HUGE blow to his value.

Realistically, he's only going to be a spot starter in fantasy for the next 3 years. Having said that, Gurley has had issues staying healthy.

On the bright side, Mason is still just 21 years old, and has shown he can play.

 

[Bob Magaw]

stupid pick.

even if he's better than Mason.

Mason was good enough

No, he wasn't.

The Rams had three games last year where their starting RB ran for 4+ ypc. 3 out of 16. Mason was 2 out of 9.

You think that's good enough for a coach that wants to run the ball perhaps more than anyone else in the league? That's not getting it done. Mason had one good game against Oakland (really, one good run) and other than that was pretty poor. Good for fantasy thanks to some decent volume, sure, but as far as actual NFL performance goes he kind of stunk.

He was basically 2013 Zac Stacy with one long run (89 yarder against Oakland) on top. In fact, that's exactly what he was.

all players must be elite their rookie year or they are worthless in the nfl. this is the new nfl, no time to learn or be given a real chance.

gurley is a great player but he does not help the rams, so many other needs. Who they going to throw too? Who is going to block? not to mention you may need to sit him for a while.

rams taking gurley crushed two starting rbs value today. i would not be taking gurley #1 in drafts now i like better options and would have learned by now to STAY AWAY FROM RAMS RBS.

Gurley was reportedly their #1 or #2 (after Mariota off board at 1.2) player OVERALL in the draft, they got him at #10. He wasn't just a little better than whoever else they would have been looking at. I liked Scherff, but he went at 5, and also thought they may be interested in Flowers, but he was connected with the Giants pre-draft, so not an unexpected development.

Gurley was my next choice after Scherff, but being so highly graded by the Rams, it might not have mattered. They think he is the most talented RB since Peterson. He looks like the franchise's best RB since Faulk, and best big back since Dickerson, Hall of Famers. Agree with those questioning the positional devaluation chorus. McCoy and Murray were signed to lucrative contracts, and after a two year first round lull, two went in the top half of the first round, and Gurley top 10 (despite the injury).

Not an exact analogy (because you generally start one RB and two or more WRs), but TALENT and BPA-wise, not getting Gurley because you have Mason would be like the Lions not getting Calvin Johnson because they already have Roy Williams. And this isn't like the Lions, who drafted Rogers top 2 overall, Roy and Mike "BMW" Williams in the top 10 BEFORE Calvin, also in a 3-4 year span. Pead was a spectacular bust, no need to compound that mistake by letting it alter future draft plans. Richardson was a seventh rounder, Stacy a fifth who cost two sixths in a trade (and they had clearly moved on from him, third on the depth chart behind a UFA), starter Mason a third and backup Cunningham, the UFA. Gurley is the consensus best RB to come along in years, maybe since Peterson. It is unlikely they will be spending any more day one or two picks on the position any time soon, if Gurley is healthy.

The Rams, and Fisher philosophically, are a running team. They aren't going to morph into the Marino-era Dolphins. Parker might have touched the ball 3-4 X a game. Gurley could 15-20 X a game, once healthy (hope they don't rush him). Britt flashed explosiveness not seen since pre-knee injury when he was one of the more promising young WRs in the league (in the same class as Crabtree, Harvin and Nicks, I think), is only 26-27, led the team in receiving and was re-upped for two years. Quick, after looking like a bust his first two years, through six games before the shoulder injury, was pacing for almost exactly 1,000 yards and 8 TDs receiving. Keep in mind, this is with the Rams also involving the TE and distributing receptions accordingly. Cook led team in receiving in '13, and he and Kendricks are like two of the top five highest paid players on the team (the latter more for his versatility and blocking). It is hard to evaluate the Rams WRs because they have played with a backup QB the past season and a half. Also a crumbling OL, which they knos needs to be addressed. Fisher or Snead chided local beat reporter Jim Thomas after the same Who is going to block? question, observing they have turned the draft into more than a one day event. What if Austin is capable of a third year breakout like Quick, many thought former OC Schottenheimer was extremely unimaginitive, maybe Cignetti can get him more involved? He was a top 10 pick. Teammate Bailey (a third rounder like Mason) was set back with a suspension to begin the season, but had one of the best seasons for a WR in collegiate history in '12. After Quick's injury he had 300+ yards in a late one month stretch. Scant basis for proration, but would be 1,200 yards over a full season. IMO he is underrated and could be a great WR3 and may even have WR2 upside?

Obviously the Rams aren't concerned with crushing Mason's fantasy value (not making fun, but it is the cause for a lot of distress in the thread, in general). You do need two RBs in the contemporary RB landscape. If Gurley is as good as advertised, the Rams are in great shape. If they had taken Parker, that might have crushed Quick, Austin and Bailey's value, all the way down the line of the WR depth chart. Not obvious why it would be an intrinsically better move to crush the value of THREE WRs (in one act, like in one of those multi-person dunk tanks), instead of ONE RB? Stacy had already been passed by UFA Cunningham, his value was crushed already, last year. It was only Mason, really.

Best avail OL (Rams have the ninth pick in round two and eighth in round three):

OT - T.J. Clemmings (stress fracture of foot dropped a consensus first rounder), Jake Fisher and Donovan Smith, all expected to go in the second.

Guard - Cann expected to go in the second, Tre' Jackson and Ali Marpet could go in the third.

Center - Grasu consensus second best afer Erving, might go in second or third. Gallik and Dismukes could go in the fourth or later, Max Garcia in the fifth or sixth. They already have three internal candidates, 2012 fourth rounder and Outland Trophy winner Barrett Jones, who played OT, guard and center, '14 rookie Rhaney and the re-signed Barnes. Jones is the most exciting of an unproven and/or uninspiring bunch, have to think OT and guard are higher priority, they may not add a center.

Fisher noted in the past few days they were still in regular communication with RT Barksdale and would like him back (unsaid was at their price and on their terms). Guard Justin Blalock remains unsigned, and is thought to be of interest to the Rams, though he is 32-33, I think, and the Rams have struck out in recent years with aging, declining, breaking down vets (Long, Wells, Joseph).

* They also may be looking at developmental QB. So they could have to juggle priorities. Hundley and Petty may not get past second, Grayson and Mannion could be avail later in day two or maybe even day three?

Also, Laurinaitis heir apparent could be a target. In addition to OL and WR, QB and MLB were an emphasis in team visits. Anthony is gone, but that leaves Kendricks (?), McKinney and Perryman. Dawson may be viewed as more of a WLB.

 

[msudaisy26]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

Laurence Maroney?

David Wilson after the Giants won a super bowl?

Colts traded a first for Richardson

Saints with Mark Ingram.

how'd that work out?

The Pats never missed a beat

The Colts have been a great up and coming team.

Saints have been a top 10 team most years

The Giants not so much.

I guess that richardson trade is vindicated, then

maybe trading next year's first for toby gerhart will get them over the hump

I am not sure where you are going with this.

 

[Shutout]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

 

[beef]

As a Cowboys fan I'd love to see Mason taken off your hands. You can have the dude who tore his ACL so effortlessly.

You mean the way most players tear their ACL?

According to doctors the chance of a re-tear is less than 2%.

actually its 25% within the first two years according to todd mcshay.

So its a 2% chance then

 

[Shutout]

stupid pick.

even if he's better than Mason.

Mason was good enough

No, he wasn't.

The Rams had three games last year where their starting RB ran for 4+ ypc. 3 out of 16. Mason was 2 out of 9.

You think that's good enough for a coach that wants to run the ball perhaps more than anyone else in the league? That's not getting it done. Mason had one good game against Oakland (really, one good run) and other than that was pretty poor. Good for fantasy thanks to some decent volume, sure, but as far as actual NFL performance goes he kind of stunk.

He was basically 2013 Zac Stacy with one long run (89 yarder against Oakland) on top. In fact, that's exactly what he was.

all players must be elite their rookie year or they are worthless in the nfl. this is the new nfl, no time to learn or be given a real chance.

gurley is a great player but he does not help the rams, so many other needs. Who they going to throw too? Who is going to block? not to mention you may need to sit him for a while.

rams taking gurley crushed two starting rbs value today. i would not be taking gurley #1 in drafts now i like better options and would have learned by now to STAY AWAY FROM RAMS RBS.

Gurley was reportedly their #1 or #2 (after Mariota off board at 1.2) player OVERALL in the draft, they got him at #10. He wasn't just a little better than whoever else they would have been looking at. I liked Scherff, but he went at 5, and also thought they may be interested in Flowers, but he was connected with the Giants pre-draft, so not an unexpected development.

Gurley was my next choice after Scherff, but being so highly graded by the Rams, it might not have mattered. They think he is the most talented RB since Peterson. He looks like the franchise's best RB since Faulk, and best big back since Dickerson, Hall of Famers. Agree with those questioning the positional devaluation chorus. McCoy and Murray were signed to lucrative contracts, and after a two year first round lull, two went in the top half of the first round, and Gurley top 10 (despite the injury).

Not an exact analogy (because you generally start one RB and two or more WRs), but TALENT and BPA-wise, not getting Gurley because you have Mason would be like the Lions not getting Calvin Johnson because they already have Roy Williams. And this isn't like the Lions, who drafted Rogers top 2 overall, Roy and Mike "BMW" Williams in the top 10 BEFORE Calvin, also in a 3-4 year span. Pead was a spectacular bust, no need to compound that mistake by letting it alter future draft plans. Richardson was a seventh rounder, Stacy a fifth who cost two sixths in a trade (and they had clearly moved on from him, third on the depth chart behind a UFA), starter Mason a third and backup Cunningham, the UFA. Gurley is the consensus best RB to come along in years, maybe since Peterson. It is unlikely they will be spending any more day one or two picks on the position any time soon, if Gurley is healthy.

The Rams, and Fisher philosophically, are a running team. They aren't going to morph into the Marino-era Dolphins. Parker might have touched the ball 3-4 X a game. Gurley could 15-20 X a game, once healthy (hope they don't rush him). Britt flashed explosiveness not seen since pre-knee injury when he was one of the more promising young WRs in the league (in the same class as Crabtree, Harvin and Nicks, I think), is only 26-27, led the team in receiving and was re-upped for two years. Quick, after looking like a bust his first two years, through six games before the shoulder injury, was pacing for almost exactly 1,000 yards and 8 TDs receiving. Keep in mind, this is with the Rams also involving the TE and distributing receptions accordingly. Cook led team in receiving in '13, and he and Kendricks are like two of the top five highest paid players on the team (the latter more for his versatility and blocking). It is hard to evaluate the Rams WRs because they have played with a backup QB the past season and a half. Also a crumbling OL, which they knos needs to be addressed. Fisher or Snead chided local beat reporter Jim Thomas after the same Who is going to block? question, observing they have turned the draft into more than a one day event. What if Austin is capable of a third year breakout like Quick, many thought former OC Schottenheimer was extremely unimaginitive, maybe Cignetti can get him more involved? He was a top 10 pick. Teammate Bailey (a third rounder like Mason) was set back with a suspension to begin the season, but had one of the best seasons for a WR in collegiate history in '12. After Quick's injury he had 300+ yards in a late one month stretch. Scant basis for proration, but would be 1,200 yards over a full season. IMO he is underrated and could be a great WR3 and may even have WR2 upside?

Obviously the Rams aren't concerned with crushing Mason's fantasy value (not making fun, but it is the cause for a lot of distress in the thread, in general). You do need two RBs in the contemporary RB landscape. If Gurley is as good as advertised, the Rams are in great shape. If they had taken Parker, that might have crushed Quick, Austin and Bailey's value, all the way down the line of the WR depth chart. Not obvious why it would be an intrinsically better move to crush the value of THREE WRs (in one act, like in one of those multi-person dunk tanks), instead of ONE RB? Stacy had already been passed by UFA Cunningham, his value was crushed already, last year. It was only Mason, really.

Best avail OL (Rams have the ninth pick in round two and eighth in round three):

OT - T.J. Clemmings (stress fracture of foot dropped a consensus first rounder), Jake Fisher and Donovan Smith, all expected to go in the second.

Guard - Cann expected to go in the second, Tre' Jackson and Ali Marpet could go in the third.

Center - Grasu consensus second best afer Erving, might go in second or third. Gallik and Dismukes could go in the fourth or later, Max Garcia in the fifth or sixth. They already have three internal candidates, 2012 fourth rounder and Outland Trophy winner Barrett Jones, who played OT, guard and center, '14 rookie Rhaney and the re-signed Barnes. Jones is the most exciting of an unproven and/or uninspiring bunch, have to think OT and guard are higher priority, they may not add a center.

Fisher noted in the past few days they were still in regular communication with RT Barksdale and would like him back (unsaid was at their price and on their terms). Guard Justin Blalock remains unsigned, and is thought to be of interest to the Rams, though he is 32-33, I think, and the Rams have struck out in recent years with aging, declining, breaking down vets (Long, Wells, Joseph).

* They also may be looking at developmental QB. So they could have to juggle priorities. Hundley and Petty may not get past second, Grayson and Mannion could be avail later in day two or maybe even day three?

Also, Laurinaitis heir apparent could be a target. In addition to OL and WR, QB and MLB were an emphasis in team visits. Anthony is gone, but that leaves Kendricks (?), McKinney and Perryman. Dawson may be viewed as more of a WLB.

My quota of "likes" is met for the day it says but I wanted to say that is an outstanding take on this situation.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

good, in this case, meaning 6 winning seasons out of 20

 

[VarsityBlues123]

can someone direct me to the tre mason thread?

 

[Shutout]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

good, in this case, meaning 6 winning seasons out of 20

Don't be a troll. Also be sure to include the 3 seasons of 13-3, the three other seasons with 10,11,12 wins. The Trip to SB where he came within a yard of beating one of the most fantastic teams ever. the fact that he did this in freaking sorry ### Tennessee. When a man is a coach in the NFL for 20 years, he's doing something very very right.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

can someone direct me to the tre mason thread?

just down the hall, right past the zac stacy thread, across from toby gerhart's cubicle --- easy to miss

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

good, in this case, meaning 6 winning seasons out of 20

Don't be a troll. Also be sure to include the 3 seasons of 13-3, the three other seasons with 10,11,12 wins. The Trip to SB where he came within a yard of beating one of the most fantastic teams ever. the fact that he did this in freaking sorry ### Tennessee. When a man is a coach in the NFL for 20 years, he's doing something very very right.

pretty sure I did

edit: although, I'm willing to append that one sb appearance in 20 years to my post

 

[Steeler]

Is there a Gurley time table yet? I mean is it certain he will be ready by week 1? Or simply nobody knows at this time?

I have L. Bell in a one player keeper league (so essentially redraft) and was thinking Mason would be a decent fill in for the first couple weeks if Gurley is not ready.

 

[Shutout]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

good, in this case, meaning 6 winning seasons out of 20

Don't be a troll. Also be sure to include the 3 seasons of 13-3, the three other seasons with 10,11,12 wins. The Trip to SB where he came within a yard of beating one of the most fantastic teams ever. the fact that he did this in freaking sorry ### Tennessee. When a man is a coach in the NFL for 20 years, he's doing something very very right.

pretty sure I did

edit: although, I'm willing to append that one sb appearance in 20 years to my post

Get back to us when you do something as impressive. I like the Patriots as much as you do but not everyone has the kind of coaching career hoodie has. Fisher's accomplishments are worth recognizing and when you look at how highly his units ranked over the years, even more impressive considering he was handcuffed in Tennessee. Not to mention that half of Fisher's problem was having to deal with the Colts all those years.

 

[jdswan922]

As a Cowboys fan I'd love to see Mason taken off your hands. You can have the dude who tore his ACL so effortlessly.

You mean the way most players tear their ACL?

According to doctors the chance of a re-tear is less than 2%.

actually its 25% within the first two years according to todd mcshay.

So its a 2% chance then

http://www.aaos.org/news/aaosnow/aug13/clinical1.asp

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

good, in this case, meaning 6 winning seasons out of 20

Don't be a troll. Also be sure to include the 3 seasons of 13-3, the three other seasons with 10,11,12 wins. The Trip to SB where he came within a yard of beating one of the most fantastic teams ever. the fact that he did this in freaking sorry ### Tennessee. When a man is a coach in the NFL for 20 years, he's doing something very very right.

pretty sure I did

edit: although, I'm willing to append that one sb appearance in 20 years to my post

Get back to us when you do something as impressive. I like the Patriots as much as you do but not everyone has the kind of coaching career hoodie has. Fisher's accomplishments are worth recognizing and when you look at how highly his units ranked over the years, even more impressive considering he was handcuffed in Tennessee. Not to mention that half of Fisher's problem was having to deal with the Colts all those years.

I'm willing to acknowledge he might be somewhat of a better football coach than I am, but if I'm the measuring stick I think you should edit your post from "the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now" to "the Rams are going to be for a while now"

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

like the team that's been in back to back Super Bowls? Bad teams like that?

well, considering they nailed down their running game with one of the most dominant guys in the league by trading a 4th round pick, I'm not sure this is the best example

 

[cstu]

Gurley was my next choice after Scherff, but being so highly graded by the Rams, it might not have mattered. They think he is the most talented RB since Peterson. He looks like the franchise's best RB since Faulk, and best big back since Dickerson, Hall of Famers.

Agree with those questioning the positional devaluation chorus. McCoy and Murray were signed to lucrative contracts, and after a two year first round lull, two went in the top half of the first round, and Gurley top 10 (despite the injury).

4 RB's have signed contracts in the past 3 years that average more than $4M a year.

To make matters worse for the Rams, the fifth year option to keep Gurley will be $9M+.

If he does become the next Peterson it will be worth it, otherwise it was a reach.

At least with the Chargers, taking Gordon will only cost them ~$5.6M in his fifth year.

 

[Bob Magaw]

Gurley was my next choice after Scherff, but being so highly graded by the Rams, it might not have mattered. They think he is the most talented RB since Peterson. He looks like the franchise's best RB since Faulk, and best big back since Dickerson, Hall of Famers.

Agree with those questioning the positional devaluation chorus. McCoy and Murray were signed to lucrative contracts, and after a two year first round lull, two went in the top half of the first round, and Gurley top 10 (despite the injury).

4 RB's have signed contracts in the past 3 years that average more than $4M a year.

To make matters worse for the Rams, the fifth year option to keep Gurley will be $9M+.

If he does become the next Peterson it will be worth it, otherwise it was a reach.

At least with the Chargers, taking Gordon will only cost them ~$5.6M in his fifth year.

Maybe they extend him prior to year five? What seems like a lot of money now, might not projecting out expected salary cap increases a half decade from now.

There are a chorus of voices saying he may have been the #1 overall prospect in the class based purely on talent (of course the QBs went 1-2 because of positional importance and scarcity). Casserly and Baldy concurred this morning. Last night Gruden thought he was one of the top 2-3 prospects in the class OVERALL.

If he becomes the center piece and focal point of the offense that everything else is built around, and he does seem to immediately become the Rams most talented skill position player when healthy, he could well be worth the #10 pick, and any attendant future salary cap implications that his selection entails.

Not criticism, just an observation and stating a fact, you didn't like the idea of the pick prior to the draft, so you are consistent, no surprise you wouldn't now. I'm not prepared to indict the pick on the basis of things in the remote future (2019?), without even seeing him play yet. If he starts scoring from anywhere on the field like Eric Dickerson, Rams fans won't be complaining. He is a rare combination of tackle breaker and home run hitter. By some metrics, he was the most elusive RB in the nation, and near the top in tackle breaking. Those skills aren't always embodied in the same RB. He has the size/power/balance to run over, vision/instincts/feet/quickness/agility/COD/cutting ability/movement skills/elusiveness to run around/between/through and the borderline Olympic caliber hurdler suddenness/burst/instant acceleration/top end speed to run away from defenders.

Fisher likes to run. Some would have gone in a different direction, but if Parker only touches the ball 3-4 X a game, and Gurley 15-20, not hard to see how he could have the bigger impact, IN A FISHER OFFENSIVE SCHEME.

 

[cvnpoka]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

like the team that's been in back to back Super Bowls? Bad teams like that?

well, considering they nailed down their running game with one of the most dominant guys in the league by trading a 4th round pick, I'm not sure this is the best example

lol. larry killin this thread.

heres the thing. rb just arent very valuable. they have a very short peak, are injured often, and are fungible. its just a bad pick. ppl need to get with the times.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

He was BPA And The Rams don't care about your fantasy team.

rb has been proven devalued. it seems very unlikely he was bpa.

If anything, this offseason proved that the "devaluation of RBs" is largely a myth, given The contracts that McCoy and Murray signed and the two guys taken in the top half of the 1st last night. Last year's RB classes in FA and the draft just sucked all around. And the 2012 guys mostly had question marks that pushed them out of the 1st. Teams will still invest heavily in RBs.

bad teams will invest in them. i dont see the patriots doing so.

like the team that's been in back to back Super Bowls? Bad teams like that?

well, considering they nailed down their running game with one of the most dominant guys in the league by trading a 4th round pick, I'm not sure this is the best example

They've invested in Lynch with a huge contract this offseason, and paid him well in the past. They also used a second round pick (their first pick of that draft) on a RB. They have invested in the RB position and are not a bad team.

Some of your trolling misses the mark at times. Can't win 'em all.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Appearing on NFL Draft Kickoff, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported the Rams would be "more than happy" to honor Zac Stacy's trade request.

 

[georg013]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

good, in this case, meaning 6 winning seasons out of 20

Don't be a troll. Also be sure to include the 3 seasons of 13-3, the three other seasons with 10,11,12 wins. The Trip to SB where he came within a yard of beating one of the most fantastic teams ever. the fact that he did this in freaking sorry ### Tennessee. When a man is a coach in the NFL for 20 years, he's doing something very very right.

Lol. That is like telling a fish not be a fish. You have been here too long to make a statement like that. LMAO>>>

 

[cstu]

Appearing on NFL Draft Kickoff, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported the Rams would be "more than happy" to honor Zac Stacy's trade request.

Incredible that he was the #12 dynasty RB exactly one year ago.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Appearing on NFL Draft Kickoff, NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reported the Rams would be "more than happy" to honor Zac Stacy's trade request.

Incredible that he was the #12 dynasty RB exactly one year ago.

I don't play dynasty, but I thought the stacy hype was a little overblown back then, and it's a good reminder about betting on talent, like I hear a lot of dynasty players say.

situation is great to have, but can be very ephemeral in the nfl

 

[menobrown]

so if christine michael gets hype up as a good cuff to have for a future why cant mason get that hype? He is younger and has shown he can do it in the nfl.

mason should be the top priority get for gurley owners and isnt mason just turn 22? especially with what the rams are saying about taking time and the fact that gurley has knee issues.

gurley was a no brainer #1 pick, if i had mason in the league i have pick one i would take gurley, but now leaning gordon #1.

I wouldn't be giving him away if I owned him. He may be the starter for the beginning of the season and he's still useful in the case of an injury to Gurley. There's also the possibility that Gurley busts - I don't think he will, but nobody knows for sure.

Serious blow to his trade value so don't trade him is the way I'd look at it.

Actually last night I was thinking to myself that Mason's value is on par with Michaels, which is a huge blow from what it was the pre-draft.

Mason is younger, showed more in a real NFL game than Michaels has had a chance to show, blew away Michaels in collegiate production, and has a better shot at meaningful playing time next season than Michaels, especially early on. Even when Gurley is 100% healthy Mason might be weak RB flex option if he can catch a few passes and get 8-10 total touches a game as a COP.

The main edge I see Michaels having is he's got 2 years left and always a slim chance Lynch could retire after next season while barring trade, Gurley busting out or getting seriously injured Mason is looking at a stiff 3 years caddying for Gurley. Luckily for both of them we are in an era of the NFL were teams actually trade but so far it's been light on RB trades so nothing one should ever count on or expect.

All in all I'd put their values somewhat equal right now but I do think Mason is more important to the Gurley owner than Michaels is to the Lynch owner.

 

[Shutout]

most confusing pick of the draft.

while i much rather have gurley over mason, why take him when you have mason and many more needs? any rb in stl needs an OL

masons value takes a hit but stl does have a bunch of young rbs. can mason be shipped out or would they just keep him because hes cheap and there.

What you have to understand is Jeff Fisher and how he ahs made a long, long living in this league and been good at it. If Gurley is as advertised, the Rams are going to be very very good for a while now.

good, in this case, meaning 6 winning seasons out of 20

Don't be a troll. Also be sure to include the 3 seasons of 13-3, the three other seasons with 10,11,12 wins. The Trip to SB where he came within a yard of beating one of the most fantastic teams ever. the fact that he did this in freaking sorry ### Tennessee. When a man is a coach in the NFL for 20 years, he's doing something very very right.

Lol. That is like telling a fish not be a fish. You have been here too long to make a statement like that. LMAO>>>

You are so right. LOL. I fed the troll. I know better than that.

 

[cstu]

The main edge I see Michaels having is he's got 2 years left and always a slim chance Lynch could retire after next season while barring trade,

Not a lot different than Knife Davis, who barring injury has 2 more years left as a backup and is 2 years older than Mason.

He still has value but it's bummer for his owners. 3 years is a long wait but he'll be a 24 (going on 25) year old free agent with 4 years of experience and not a lot of carries.

 

[Casting Couch]

The main edge I see Michaels having is he's got 2 years left and always a slim chance Lynch could retire after next season while barring trade,

Not a lot different than Knife Davis, who barring injury has 2 more years left as a backup and is 2 years older than Mason.

He still has value but it's bummer for his owners. 3 years is a long wait but he'll be a 24 (going on 25) year old free agent with 4 years of experience and not a lot of carries.

Another option is Mason getting dealt before the end of the draft.

 

[cstu]

The main edge I see Michaels having is he's got 2 years left and always a slim chance Lynch could retire after next season while barring trade,

Not a lot different than Knife Davis, who barring injury has 2 more years left as a backup and is 2 years older than Mason.

He still has value but it's bummer for his owners. 3 years is a long wait but he'll be a 24 (going on 25) year old free agent with 4 years of experience and not a lot of carries.

Another option is Mason getting dealt before the end of the draft.

Sure, it could happen but I think they need him early in the season. More likely at the trade deadline if Gurley is looking like a stud or even more likely at this time next year.

 

[Casting Couch]

The main edge I see Michaels having is he's got 2 years left and always a slim chance Lynch could retire after next season while barring trade,

Not a lot different than Knife Davis, who barring injury has 2 more years left as a backup and is 2 years older than Mason.

He still has value but it's bummer for his owners. 3 years is a long wait but he'll be a 24 (going on 25) year old free agent with 4 years of experience and not a lot of carries.

Another option is Mason getting dealt before the end of the draft.

Sure, it could happen but I think they need him early in the season. More likely at the trade deadline if Gurley is looking like a stud or even more likely at this time next year.

This makes sense.

 

[RBM]

Why would they trade Mason? He will be a very good backup that they can trust if Gurley gets hurt.

 

[IHEARTFF]

lol rams