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I think plain and simple he gets what is there for him to take. If his line gives a gaping hole he is gonna get deep into the secondary until 3 or 4 guys bring him down. If there is no hole, he will get a couple yards until 3 or 4 guys bring him down.

He is strong, pretty fast and tough to tackle. They need to find ways to get him space or he is useless. Looked ok in the passing game though.

 
Colts say that they would still make the trade for Trent Richardson.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/14/colts-claim-theyd-still-trade-for-trent-richardson/

Colts claim they’d still trade for Trent RichardsonPosted by Mike Florio on November 14, 2013, 8:10 PM EST

Eight weeks after sending their first-round pick in 2014 to the Browns for running back Trent Richardson, the Colts claim they’d do it all over again.

That’s what an unnamed Colts source told Ian Rapoport of the Network The Colts Partially Own.

This one would be news only if the Colts were to admit they screwed up just as badly as the Browns did by trading up from No. 4 to No. 3 in the 2012 draft to take Richardson in the first place. And they did.

Despite any excuses made for Richardson’s 2.8 yards per carry average since arriving in Indy (and 0.4 against the Rams on Sunday), if Richardson were the kind of running back that justified giving up a first-round pick in an era that he seen the position become greatly devalued with plenty of quality running backs available in later rounds of the draft (and after the draft), he’d be performing like it.

Last year, the issue was durability. This year, the issue is ineffectiveness. Next year, who knows what the problem will be?

But the excuses will persist and the Colts will continue to claim they don’t regret giving up their first-round draft pick for Richardson and there’s no reason for them to ever admit that which everyone else eventually will figure out, unless and until Richardson becomes Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, or Adrian Peterson.
Um, I think that Cleveland would still make the trade too.
 
Man. I've been in the "hold" camp in dynasty for the most part.

But I'm thinking of bailing. Got an offer of Manuel, Michael Floyd, 1st and 2nd round rookie picks (devy league though) and I'm thinking of jumping.

 
Man. I've been in the "hold" camp in dynasty for the most part.

But I'm thinking of bailing. Got an offer of Manuel, Michael Floyd, 1st and 2nd round rookie picks (devy league though) and I'm thinking of jumping.
Do it now! You won't get a better offer.
Kinda what I'm thinking. Might try to squeeze a little more out of it, but I think it's fair value. Probably more than that, at this point and with the general dynasty public opinion the way it is right now.

 
...He better go find this guy again over the offseason. Several instances of stopping his feet in the backfield, only he EXPLODES up field afterwards. No acceleration this year. Ugh...
3:17 :jawdrop:
Seems like a nice move, but it was against Ole Miss. I don't think highlights from a game that ended up 52-7 is a good indicator for the NFL. Ole Miss finished 0-8 in the SEC that year, so not a good football team. In the NFL, the DB probably blasts through him. Then again, in the NFL, he would have been tackled about a yard from the line of scrimmage.

 
Rotoworld:

Coach Chuck Pagano doesn't know "what the heck is going on" when it comes to Trent Richardson's struggles.
"I don't know if he's snake bit, I don’t know what the heck is going on," Pagano said. "We’ll get it fixed. We’ll get the holes there. He’s making the right reads, he’s doing all the right things, he knows what to do. His numbers are going to come. I’m not concerned about that." When asked if the Colts had buyer's remorse, Pagano said, "Absolutely not." Richardson has a tough date with Arizona's stout run defense next week. He's barely a flex option.

Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
The Indianapolis Star does not anticipate the Colts promoting Donald Brown into the starting lineup over Trent Richardson.
Coach Chuck Pagano indicated the Colts will "ride the hot hand," and Brown has had it for most of the year in Indy. The Colts are still expected to "continue to divide carries" between disappointing in-season acquisition Richardson and normal change-of-pace back Brown. If "a guy gets hot, you can always go with the hot hand," Pagano said. "But I like the way we’re doing things now."

Source: Indianapolis Star
 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson said he's "not frustrated at all" because "I think I've been playing good."

Both Richardson and coach Chuck Pagano are blaming the offensive line for T-Rich's 2.83 YPC as a Colt. "You look at Trent's runs, for whatever reason, there's penetration (by defenders)," Pagano said. "You feel bad. A guy gets the ball handed off to him and all of a sudden, there's a guy sitting there for whatever reason." Of course, Donald Brown has found far fewer defenders in his way as he's averaged 6.10 YPC since T-Rich joined the team. As Pagano showed last Thursday night, he's going to go with the hot hand. We have little reason to believe Richardson will get warm anytime soon.


Source: Indianapolis Star
 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson (calf) is listed as questionable for Sunday's game against the Cardinals but is expected to play.

Richardson popped up on the injury report Thursday and is a little sore. Colts beat writers don't seem too concerned about his Week 12 status, so neither are we. Richardson is barely on the flex radar. He and Donald Brown will continue to split work. Brown is the better play at the moment.


Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter
 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson (calf) is listed as questionable for Sunday's game against the Cardinals but is expected to play.

Richardson popped up on the injury report Thursday and is a little sore. Colts beat writers don't seem too concerned about his Week 12 status, so neither are we. Richardson is barely on the flex radar. He and Donald Brown will continue to split work. Brown is the better play at the moment.


Source: Stephen Holder on Twitter
Leave out the (calf) and you have a summary of Trent's season.

 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson - RB - Colts
Colts OC Pep Hamilton confirmed the team has no plans to scrap its running back committee approach.
"We don't plan on changing our rotation with our backs," said Pep the Playcaller. "We've always been a running back by committee bunch, so we're going to continue to do that." The approach makes sense with Donald Brown now consistently outplaying Trent Richardson. T-Rich would be a poor flex option in Week 12 against the Cardinals. Arizona ranks No. 2 in the NFL versus the run.

Source: ESPN.com
 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson played on just 13 snaps en route to five touches in Sunday's win over the Titans.

Starter Donald Brown logged 52 snaps, got 16 touches and powered into the end zone with under two minutes remaining to seal the Colts' win. The coaches are trying to win games, not save face on their trade with Cleveland. So Richardson is now a strict backup and change-of-pace option behind Brown. He can safely be dropped in most re-draft formats.

Related: Donald Brown

Source: profootballfocus.com
 
worst pick ever in fantasy football history?
Has any top 8 FF pick ever actually been benched?

I'll be watching for when Herron or Rainey come in and rip off 20 yards on a screen or a draw play and then they start to move in on the backup spot too.

 
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Trent Richardson: 'It's only fair' Brown is Colts starterBy Chris Wesseling

Around the League Writer

Trent Richardson recently told Reggie Wayne that he felt forced into the Indianapolis Colts offense before he was comfortable in Pep Hamilton's system.

Richardson went a step further Thursday, acknowledging that he belongs in a backup role until he's capable of playing at a faster pace.

"I think it's only fair that Donald is the starter, especially the production he's been putting up and the numbers," Richardson said, via Mike Wells of ESPN.com. "He's been playing good ball. I tell people all the time that when I first got here, they thought it was a two-headed monster with me and Ahmad [bradshaw]. I always said it was a three-headed monster."

A "humbled" Richardson has blamed only himself for the per-carry average of 2.8 yards that placed him on the bench last week. He's now concentrating on getting to a place where he can "learn and really see the offense and how things flow."

It seems odd that a running back would need three months to learn which holes to hit, but Game Rewind does show a troubling tentativeness and lack of vision from Richardson.

If Richardson is to be believed, the sole problem is that he's thinking too much instead of relying on his instincts.

"It slows you down," Richardson said. "Trust me, it's a lot different. When you're thinking about it, it really slows you down."

A Colts front office seeking a silver lining can hope Richardson follows the career path of Marshawn Lynch, who topped 50 rushing yards just twice in his first nine games with the Seahawks after a similar early-season trade in 2010.

It wasn't until Lynch's 19th game in Seattle that he cleared the 100-yard mark. He went to produce a dozen 100-yard performances in his next 19 games.

A Colts fan can dream.

The latest "Around The League Podcast" debates the Seahawks' Super Bowl chances and asks "Who do you trust?" as the playoffs approach.
 
If I didn't already own him in dynasty I'd be pitching offers this offseason. Not because I expect him to turn it around, but because he is valued as a #3 or #4 and has the ability to bounce back. He has not looked close to the same back as he was in college. Why? Hell if I know, but if the Colts can diagnose the problem this offseason and get him right he is at worst a quality #2 going forward and still could be a bottom top 10 guy due to his ability in the passing game. He won't ever be the guy I thought he was when I went after him, but he's also not nearly as bad as he's been this year.

If you can use depth pieces to roll the dice I think you should do it.

 
Trent is going to be JUST fine!!! I cant WAIT to watch him next year.

A Cleveland Fan :bag: who loved the move FOR HIM, NOT Cleveland. I didn't think he would produce right away when the trade was made. Initially I though the trade was just a joke, until I was in Carabbas and the breaking news flash came on ESPN, I almost #### my pants. He is my anchor to my 20 team dynasty league with a LOT of money on the line!!! I knew he would be needing time to adjust to the new system. I saw too many flashes of greatness watching him play last year to NOT believe in him. Too many people Debbie downing him because he hasn't put up amazing numbers this year. (Some of his TD runs just amazed me last year.) Coming into next year, with a full offseason under his belt... another year of Andrew Luck progressing/Reggie Wayne back, Hopefully DHB is replaced. Hilton/Reggie, and a good wideout, Nicks??? WATCH OUT. Dude WILL make people miss.

I like what was said in an interview a few weeks ago, when he is in, the defenses automatically assume its going to be a run play, so they play against it. It kills his playmaking abilities. That kind of dominance/fear of his running capabilities is HUGE. Just wait until he IS their #1 RB, getting 20 looks a game... in almost every down. The colts offense is going to be a rough one to stop. :boxing:

 
You doubters are so damn closed minded towards Trent.! The dude is the truth and your gonna be pissed off when you pass on him the year he blows his lid and puts up record #s. (Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson/LT/ADP type numbers) Its GOING to happen in the near future. The dude is that good.

Spiller didn't look that great his first year or two IMO. then he came out when he got a solid role.
Trent is on a much better team, and is WAY more skilled than Spiller.

I love watching Fred Jackson play to be honest. He looks like the more complete runner.

Ray Rice/Foster/CJ2K/Charles/ADP

Other than ADP, I don't see that "special" styled runner that I do in Trent.
Hes not comfortable in the offense right now because he had NO idea he was going anywhere earlier this season. I cant WAIT to watch him come out and kill it!

 
You doubters are so damn closed minded towards Trent.! The dude is the truth and your gonna be pissed off when you pass on him the year he blows his lid and puts up record #s. (Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson/LT/ADP type numbers) Its GOING to happen in the near future. The dude is that good.

Spiller didn't look that great his first year or two IMO. then he came out when he got a solid role.

Trent is on a much better team, and is WAY more skilled than Spiller.

I love watching Fred Jackson play to be honest. He looks like the more complete runner.

Ray Rice/Foster/CJ2K/Charles/ADP

Other than ADP, I don't see that "special" styled runner that I do in Trent.

Hes not comfortable in the offense right now because he had NO idea he was going anywhere earlier this season. I cant WAIT to watch him come out and kill it!
that was 3 months ago -- has he figured out where he is yet?

 
I don't think he is, reading his other posts in the Shart Pool. I think he's just a huge homer for the players he owns.

 
The kid is dynamite. Best RB in the NFL. :bow:
:lol:
That was probably after the Bengals game his rookie year. He flashed more in that game than he did the rest of the season combined. Can't really blame EBF for saying that, it looked like the elite production was coming early for an insanely hyped and pedigreed prospect. Everything was coming together at that point.
 
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The kid is dynamite. Best RB in the NFL. :bow:
:lol:
That was probably after the Bengals game his rookie year. He flashed more in that game than he did the rest of the season combined. Can't really blame EBF for saying that, it looked like the elite production was coming early for an insanely hyped and pedigreed prospect. Everything was coming together at that point.
Except he was saying it for months after that well into the offseason. In the off-season trade thread (or maybe the Dynasty rankings thread, can't remember which) he said that he would not trade Richardson straight up for ADP and in fact, it would take players equal to almost two ADPs for him to consider him moving TRich. So this love for Richardson didn't flow from just the Bengals game.

 
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The kid is dynamite. Best RB in the NFL. :bow:
:lol:
That was probably after the Bengals game his rookie year. He flashed more in that game than he did the rest of the season combined. Can't really blame EBF for saying that, it looked like the elite production was coming early for an insanely hyped and pedigreed prospect. Everything was coming together at that point.
Except he was saying it for months after that well into the offseason. In the off-season trade thread (or maybe the Dynasty rankings thread, can't remember which) he said that he not trade Richardson straight up for ADP and in fact, it would take players equal to almost two ADPs for him to consider him moving TRich. So this love for Richardson didn't flow from just the Bengals game.
I know, I remember those posts as well. But you only quoted this one, so I was just saying that at the time it wasn't a totally ridiculous post. I get the point you were making overall, though.

 
I don't think he is, reading his other posts in the Shart Pool. I think he's just a huge homer for the players he owns.
Wow. That's crazy. People were talking about similarities between Lynch (and his 3rd year) and him and I posted about how the comparison was way off and Lynch flashed way more. To take it to an ADP/Holmes record breaking season is just straight lunacy.

 
Full disclosure...I have Trent in my dynasty league. But I'm not looking to trade him away and I haven't given up on him yet. When I see Trent run, the biggest problem he has is hesitating at the line...he doesn't trust his instincts enough to cut back and go through a different hole than the one the play called for, but he sees the hole closing in front of him. So he tries to power through...but he's always had an upright running style, so he never gains much out of these runs when he's being contacted at the line of scrimmage or even a yard or two before. Everything that made Trent a desirable RB is still there...except for the confidence. I'd argue that even his vision is still good and what's causing him to dance at the line is him seeing a better hole, thinking about cutting back but then second-guessing himself and continuing to run through the assigned hole, whether it's the smart choice or not.

In redraft, it's a lost year for him. But in dynasty, his value is so low right now...ride it out. Donald Brown was left for dead before this season...Marshawn Lynch was considered a bust when he was in BUF. IND isn't just going to throw in the towel on Trent after they gave up a 2014 1st round draft pick on him...they'll work hard with him in the offseason to get him to where he should be. He'll be given opportunity after opportunity to be the franchise RB for IND. If you own him in dynasty, hold onto him...why not? And if you don't own him...try to get him for next to nothing. At this point, he's a low-risk, high-reward trade target.

 
Full disclosure...I have Trent in my dynasty league. But I'm not looking to trade him away and I haven't given up on him yet. When I see Trent run, the biggest problem he has is hesitating at the line...he doesn't trust his instincts enough to cut back and go through a different hole than the one the play called for, but he sees the hole closing in front of him. So he tries to power through...but he's always had an upright running style, so he never gains much out of these runs when he's being contacted at the line of scrimmage or even a yard or two before. Everything that made Trent a desirable RB is still there...except for the confidence. I'd argue that even his vision is still good and what's causing him to dance at the line is him seeing a better hole, thinking about cutting back but then second-guessing himself and continuing to run through the assigned hole, whether it's the smart choice or not.

In redraft, it's a lost year for him. But in dynasty, his value is so low right now...ride it out. Donald Brown was left for dead before this season...Marshawn Lynch was considered a bust when he was in BUF. IND isn't just going to throw in the towel on Trent after they gave up a 2014 1st round draft pick on him...they'll work hard with him in the offseason to get him to where he should be. He'll be given opportunity after opportunity to be the franchise RB for IND. If you own him in dynasty, hold onto him...why not? And if you don't own him...try to get him for next to nothing. At this point, he's a low-risk, high-reward trade target.
Problem is, most of the dynasty owners who still own him are like the goofball up above and you're not gonna get him for next to nothing.

 
BWill said:
You doubters are so damn closed minded towards Trent.! The dude is the truth and your gonna be pissed off when you pass on him the year he blows his lid and puts up record #s. (Priest Holmes/Larry Johnson/LT/ADP type numbers) Its GOING to happen in the near future. The dude is that good.

Spiller didn't look that great his first year or two IMO. then he came out when he got a solid role.

Trent is on a much better team, and is WAY more skilled than Spiller.

I love watching Fred Jackson play to be honest. He looks like the more complete runner.

Ray Rice/Foster/CJ2K/Charles/ADP

Other than ADP, I don't see that "special" styled runner that I do in Trent.

Hes not comfortable in the offense right now because he had NO idea he was going anywhere earlier this season. I cant WAIT to watch him come out and kill it!
Serious question.....have you seen him play this year?

 
Full disclosure...I have Trent in my dynasty league. But I'm not looking to trade him away and I haven't given up on him yet. When I see Trent run, the biggest problem he has is hesitating at the line...he doesn't trust his instincts enough to cut back and go through a different hole than the one the play called for, but he sees the hole closing in front of him. So he tries to power through...but he's always had an upright running style, so he never gains much out of these runs when he's being contacted at the line of scrimmage or even a yard or two before. Everything that made Trent a desirable RB is still there...except for the confidence. I'd argue that even his vision is still good and what's causing him to dance at the line is him seeing a better hole, thinking about cutting back but then second-guessing himself and continuing to run through the assigned hole, whether it's the smart choice or not.

In redraft, it's a lost year for him. But in dynasty, his value is so low right now...ride it out. Donald Brown was left for dead before this season...Marshawn Lynch was considered a bust when he was in BUF. IND isn't just going to throw in the towel on Trent after they gave up a 2014 1st round draft pick on him...they'll work hard with him in the offseason to get him to where he should be. He'll be given opportunity after opportunity to be the franchise RB for IND. If you own him in dynasty, hold onto him...why not? And if you don't own him...try to get him for next to nothing. At this point, he's a low-risk, high-reward trade target.
Problem is, most of the dynasty owners who still own him are like the goofball up above and you're not gonna get him for next to nothing.
True...some people will refuse to admit that their evaluation of his talent may have been wrong. You won't be able to get Trent from those owners. But on the opposite end of the spectrum, you may find an owner that considers Trent "the biggest bust of all time". Still a little early in his career to be sticking him with that label...so if one of those owners is out there, by all means...go give him a guy like Donald Brown or Rashard Mendenhall or even Andre Ellington, then walk away happy with Trent.

 
wasn't brown left for dead because he was buried on the depth chart?

seems like richardson has been just about the opposite of that situation

 
All dynasty players are commodities. If the price is reasonable, why not deal for him? If you can obtain him for a pittance, then he might be worth a shot. Given the venom directed at him in this thread, he may cost next to nothing. There is no debating his dreadful performance this year, but if you believe in his ability, then make a lowball offer for him.

 
All dynasty players are commodities. If the price is reasonable, why not deal for him? If you can obtain him for a pittance, then he might be worth a shot. Given the venom directed at him in this thread, he may cost next to nothing. There is no debating his dreadful performance this year, but if you believe in his ability, then make a lowball offer for him.
The venom is from non-owners - his owners still think he's going to be a good back.

 
All dynasty players are commodities. If the price is reasonable, why not deal for him? If you can obtain him for a pittance, then he might be worth a shot. Given the venom directed at him in this thread, he may cost next to nothing. There is no debating his dreadful performance this year, but if you believe in his ability, then make a lowball offer for him.
The venom is from non-owners - his owners still think he's going to be a good back.
Um, no, I own him in two leagues and I think it unlikely he will ever be a good back. However, given what I invested in him, it is pointless to trade him for a bag of chips (which is about what I have been offered). If you are going to get virtually nothing in return, you might as well keep him even though he appears to be a wasted roster spot - doesn't mean you still don't think he is pretty much worthless.

 
All dynasty players are commodities. If the price is reasonable, why not deal for him? If you can obtain him for a pittance, then he might be worth a shot. Given the venom directed at him in this thread, he may cost next to nothing. There is no debating his dreadful performance this year, but if you believe in his ability, then make a lowball offer for him.
The venom is from non-owners - his owners still think he's going to be a good back.
Um, no, I own him in two leagues and I think it unlikely he will ever be a good back. However, given what I invested in him, it is pointless to trade him for a bag of chips (which is about what I have been offered). If you are going to get virtually nothing in return, you might as well keep him even though he appears to be a wasted roster spot - doesn't mean you still don't think he is pretty much worthless.
Looking at the FBGs it doesn't look like he's considered worthless. In fact he's still ranked ahead of Demarco Murray and Zac Stacy by everyone, which values him at a 1st round rookie pick.

 
All dynasty players are commodities. If the price is reasonable, why not deal for him? If you can obtain him for a pittance, then he might be worth a shot. Given the venom directed at him in this thread, he may cost next to nothing. There is no debating his dreadful performance this year, but if you believe in his ability, then make a lowball offer for him.
The venom is from non-owners - his owners still think he's going to be a good back.
Um, no, I own him in two leagues and I think it unlikely he will ever be a good back. However, given what I invested in him, it is pointless to trade him for a bag of chips (which is about what I have been offered). If you are going to get virtually nothing in return, you might as well keep him even though he appears to be a wasted roster spot - doesn't mean you still don't think he is pretty much worthless.
Looking at the FBGs it doesn't look like he's considered worthless. In fact he's still ranked ahead of Demarco Murray and Zac Stacy by everyone, which values him at a 1st round rookie pick.
Yes, it is hard to argue against the infallible FBGs rankings...

However, I was just stating my opinion as an owner in two leagues as to his value, which I consider pretty much worthless. And I would jump at an offer of Zac Stacy or a 1st round rookie pick.

 
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All dynasty players are commodities. If the price is reasonable, why not deal for him? If you can obtain him for a pittance, then he might be worth a shot. Given the venom directed at him in this thread, he may cost next to nothing. There is no debating his dreadful performance this year, but if you believe in his ability, then make a lowball offer for him.
The venom is from non-owners - his owners still think he's going to be a good back.
Um, no, I own him in two leagues and I think it unlikely he will ever be a good back. However, given what I invested in him, it is pointless to trade him for a bag of chips (which is about what I have been offered). If you are going to get virtually nothing in return, you might as well keep him even though he appears to be a wasted roster spot - doesn't mean you still don't think he is pretty much worthless.
Looking at the FBGs it doesn't look like he's considered worthless. In fact he's still ranked ahead of Demarco Murray and Zac Stacy by everyone, which values him at a 1st round rookie pick.
Are these dynasty rankings? I assume so. I own Stacy and wouldn't consider Richardson in a trade. I don't know why anyone would. Stacy has already shown more than Richardson behind a worse line and OC. His ypc is a full 1 greater than Richardson.

I know that rankings don't exactly reflect trade value, but that still doesn't make sense.

I could go on about Murray too, who is even better than Stacy.

 
In dynasty, I still like Richardson over both Stacy and Murray. While the current performances are not even close: Murray is having an excellent season and Stacy has been great in a limited sample size, while Richardson has be pitiful, I'd still opt for him. I completely understand that I could easily be wrong, it's just how I feel.

To me, the larger issue in dynasty is about how you craft a team. Given the current, and likely future state of the rb position as a whole, I'm no longer spending any more than one of my top 3-4 choices on an rb. Further, unless I can get Peterson, McCoy, Charles, and maybe Forte, I'm going with a wr after those players are gone.

 

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