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Trent Richardson (2 Viewers)

Rotoworld:

Coach Chuck Pagano stressed that the Colts need to be patient with Trent Richardson and reiterated the team remains very high on him long-term.
"Wait until he has the rest of this season, wait until he has an off-season with us, goes through a training camp with us," Pagano said. "We've just got to keep it real. He won't make any excuses. And we won't make any excuses for him. But reality is reality. It's not an easy thing." Richardson admits the same thing, saying the whole trade and trying to learn the playbook has been a struggle. "Trust me. You think my career's over with?" he said. "No. It hasn't even started yet." We're still believers in Richardson over the long haul and value him in dynasty. Donald Brown is also an impending free agent.

Source: Indianapolis Star
 
In dynasty, I still like Richardson over both Stacy and Murray. While the current performances are not even close: Murray is having an excellent season and Stacy has been great in a limited sample size, while Richardson has be pitiful, I'd still opt for him. I completely understand that I could easily be wrong, it's just how I feel.

To me, the larger issue in dynasty is about how you craft a team. Given the current, and likely future state of the rb position as a whole, I'm no longer spending any more than one of my top 3-4 choices on an rb. Further, unless I can get Peterson, McCoy, Charles, and maybe Forte, I'm going with a wr after those players are gone.
Definitely can't judge gut feelings. I respect that opinion much greater than opinions that use bad statistics to show he's actually good when he isn't. He might be good in the future. People say he needs to lose weight, I think his problem is in his mind, not his weight. Dude rejects good holes and that OL makes for him and instead chooses to run into non-existent ones. He decelerates to the LOS when finding the hole too, These two problems tell me he has terrible vision. Can this be fixed? I don't know. I assume this is more instinct than a skill, but I think it could be learned if he works on it. Will he?

I'd rather have a less physically skilled RB that can find holes and take the yardage his OL gives him rather than the weird stuff Richardson does. But if Richardson does get better vision, he could be a star RB.

 
Any new views on Trent with Don Brown out and his new found use in the receiving game. He's had a decent FF day followed by a very good one. 19 carries vs Houston, but of course understanding that the Colts are going to KC now, which is a whole other story.

 
I'm going to give him 1 more chance next yr after a full off-season in Indy... I'll consider him between dynasty RB 5 and 10 for now

 
He's #1 by a hair...

...in lowest YPC by a RB in his first two seasons with 400+ total carries:

Code:
1	T. Richardson	rb	2012--2013	29	431	1445	3.35	13	81	651	8.04	2	299.62	Curtis Enis	rb	1998--1999	24	420	1413	3.36	3	51	360	7.06	2	207.33	Abdul-Jabbar	rb	1996--1997	32	590	2008	3.40	26	52	400	7.69	1	402.84	Sammie Smith	rb	1989--1990	29	426	1490	3.50	14	18	215	11.94	1	260.55	Ron Dayne	rb	2000--2001	32	408	1460	3.58	12	11	78	7.09	0	225.86	Rashaan Salaam	rb	1995--1996	28	439	1570	3.58	13	14	100	7.14	1	251.07	Errict Rhett	rb	1994--1995	32	616	2218	3.60	18	36	229	6.36	0	352.78	Ronald Moore	rb	1993--1994	32	495	1798	3.63	13	11	68	6.18	1	270.69	Johnny Roland	rb	1966--1967	27	426	1571	3.69	15	41	482	11.76	1	301.310	Johnny Johnson	rb	1990--1991	29	430	1592	3.70	9	54	466	8.63	2	271.8
 
He's #1 by a hair...

...in lowest YPC by a RB in his first two seasons with 400+ total carries:

1 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 29 431 1445 3.35 13 81 651 8.04 2 299.62 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.33 Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.84 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.55 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.86 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.07 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.78 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.69 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.310 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.8
Wow that is quite the selection of notorious FF greats there: Enis, KAJ, Rod Dayne, Salaam......

 
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He's #1 by a hair...

...in lowest YPC by a RB in his first two seasons with 400+ total carries:

1 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 29 431 1445 3.35 13 81 651 8.04 2 299.62 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.33 Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.84 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.55 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.86 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.07 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.78 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.69 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.310 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.8
oof.

 
He's #1 by a hair...

...in lowest YPC by a RB in his first two seasons with 400+ total carries:

1 T. Richardson rb 2012--2013 29 431 1445 3.35 13 81 651 8.04 2 299.62 Curtis Enis rb 1998--1999 24 420 1413 3.36 3 51 360 7.06 2 207.33 Abdul-Jabbar rb 1996--1997 32 590 2008 3.40 26 52 400 7.69 1 402.84 Sammie Smith rb 1989--1990 29 426 1490 3.50 14 18 215 11.94 1 260.55 Ron Dayne rb 2000--2001 32 408 1460 3.58 12 11 78 7.09 0 225.86 Rashaan Salaam rb 1995--1996 28 439 1570 3.58 13 14 100 7.14 1 251.07 Errict Rhett rb 1994--1995 32 616 2218 3.60 18 36 229 6.36 0 352.78 Ronald Moore rb 1993--1994 32 495 1798 3.63 13 11 68 6.18 1 270.69 Johnny Roland rb 1966--1967 27 426 1571 3.69 15 41 482 11.76 1 301.310 Johnny Johnson rb 1990--1991 29 430 1592 3.70 9 54 466 8.63 2 271.8
The Bears had three RBs do just fine for them-Enis, Thomas, Salaam. Their O stunk. They were average good RBs and the team wanted Barry or Sayers. Their QB play was terrible and didn't improve when they had a decent running game. The team literally made no progress for at least 10 years. At some point, the Bears started trading for offensive talent and IMO that changed everything for them. Still to this day 90 95% of their drafted offensive players are average and they make nice trades.

Rhett was a beast on one of the worst teams ever. I don't think he was right after, but James Wilder was before him. Whatever he got, God Bless, he earned it and was well respected for it. Later he went to the Browns and looked beaten down.

Sammie Smith IIRC was the fumble guy. One was hurt one fumbled. Shula got rid of two top pick RBs with a short time.

Johnny Johnson and Ron Dayne shared the backfield. (I never liked Dayne because coaches couldn't accept he stunk at the GL and it was so frustrating to watch, rest of the field he was good) Johnson...there might have been three Jet RBs then that shared the rock.

Later, Jimmy Johnson struggled to characterize Karim to the media, but he wasn't special. He was just a huge effort guy that gave you all he got. That's what he was trying to say.

*******

None of the above have anywhere near the talent of Richardson. Most of them were on terrible teams and not really comparable. Maybe some would say Dayne did, he really had a lot of fans when he entered the NFL.

To me Mark Ingram is a nice comparison.

I can't make sense of either.

Sometimes the teams each remind me of the Marino Dolphins team in that you totally knew a run was coming, it seemed forced like passing was so easy why do we have to run, and it was very uncomfortable looking. That's all I got and I just stare at the TV with those two like what happened?

 
Forgotten man in the Indianapolis backfield is RB Ahmad Bradshaw.

If Donald Brown looks passable then Ahmad could be a nice sleeper next year if he gets a shot.

Bradshaw strung together two decent games back-to-back early in the year before he got hurt.

- 15 carries, 65 yards, 1 TD + 3 receptions, 19 receiving yards

- 19 carries, 95, 1 TD + 3 receptions, 16 receiving yards

He's only 27 yards but he has been injured.

Maybe the time off could get him healthy for next year.

It seems Trent is going to have to earn carries next year so it seems to me they'll have an open competition and if Ahmad Bradshaw is healthy then he's the best running back in Indianapolis.

 
None of the above have anywhere near the talent of Richardson.
This is terribly wrong and you are stuck in the lens of the present. Salaam, Rhett, Ron Dayne and Curtis Enis were quite good in college, just like Richardson. People that use the word talent are diluting it to the point where it has no meaning anymore, which is the problem here.

 
None of the above have anywhere near the talent of Richardson.
This is terribly wrong and you are stuck in the lens of the present. Salaam, Rhett, Ron Dayne and Curtis Enis were quite good in college, just like Richardson. People that use the word talent are diluting it to the point where it has no meaning anymore, which is the problem here.
You discard the bulk of my post which discusses the past then state I'm stuck in the present off of one sentence? You also deleted the part where I said maybe some would say Dayne was

 
To me Mark Ingram is a nice comparison.

I can't make sense of either.

Sometimes the teams each remind me of the Marino Dolphins team in that you totally knew a run was coming, it seemed forced like passing was so easy why do we have to run, and it was very uncomfortable looking. That's all I got and I just stare at the TV with those two like what happened?
Actually I'd like to contrast with Lacy's success in GB.

The only thing I can see in common is that all three went to Bama and arguably got to take advantage of great line play.

But Lacy has done great in a pass first offense (or at least it was). I haven't watched enough to evaluate him.

Ingram gets carries, he has a usage excuse arguably in a 'pass all the time' offense. He runs hard these days, very hard, like his career depended on it, which I appreciate. I think he has a problem with the Saints zone blocking, he just seems to miss those diagonal alleys, he's constantly missing holes and cuts, it's a vision thing, and he also seems incapable of turning the corner or even in the event he hits a hole taking it all the way. He might do well in another system.

Richardson's been getting lots of carries so no excuses there, and the Colts are supposed to be a run and defense based team, not a pass first team like NO & GB. He just plods, has neither the enthusiasm nor the vision.

 
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None of the above have anywhere near the talent of Richardson.
This is terribly wrong and you are stuck in the lens of the present. Salaam, Rhett, Ron Dayne and Curtis Enis were quite good in college, just like Richardson. People that use the word talent are diluting it to the point where it has no meaning anymore, which is the problem here.
You discard the bulk of my post which discusses the past then state I'm stuck in the present off of one sentence? You also deleted the part where I said maybe some would say Dayne was
I addressed the part I disagreed with. If you contradicted yourself in your post, maybe you need an editor. That can't be my fault. :confused:

 
None of the above have anywhere near the talent of Richardson.
This is terribly wrong and you are stuck in the lens of the present. Salaam, Rhett, Ron Dayne and Curtis Enis were quite good in college, just like Richardson. People that use the word talent are diluting it to the point where it has no meaning anymore, which is the problem here.
You discard the bulk of my post which discusses the past then state I'm stuck in the present off of one sentence? You also deleted the part where I said maybe some would say Dayne was
I addressed the part I disagreed with. If you contradicted yourself in your post, maybe you need an editor. That can't be my fault. :confused:
Yeah you edit my post and I need an editor...

 
They should use him like NO used Sproles/Thomas the past few years. How San Diego uses Woodhead this year and New England uses Vereen.

5-10 rushes with 8-12 targets. He's been decent in the passing game with the dump-off passes the last couple weeks.

 
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None of the above have anywhere near the talent of Richardson.
This is terribly wrong and you are stuck in the lens of the present. Salaam, Rhett, Ron Dayne and Curtis Enis were quite good in college, just like Richardson. People that use the word talent are diluting it to the point where it has no meaning anymore, which is the problem here.
You discard the bulk of my post which discusses the past then state I'm stuck in the present off of one sentence? You also deleted the part where I said maybe some would say Dayne was
I addressed the part I disagreed with. If you contradicted yourself in your post, maybe you need an editor. That can't be my fault. :confused:
Yeah you edit my post and I need an editor...
Right. I guess I can be your editor, but the first time you fire off a stupid post without my approval you are fired. 10 cents per post. It's a very good deal for you.

 
They should use him like NO used Sproles/Thomas the past few years. How San Diego uses Woodhead this year and New England uses Vereen.

5-10 rushes with 8-12 targets. He's been decent in the passing game with the dump-off passes the last couple weeks.
(Short of Thomas) 3rd down back scat back receiving type?

Why do you say that?

I go there too and think hang on a sec, it's just because it looks so uncomfy running the ball normally. I don't think he's that type of back and...well like I said earlier I generally watch the TV and think what's the deal with you Trent

 
I hate that i was so wrong when i mocked browns fans for this trade

i also hate that the new browns regime may not be the incompetent boobs we have grown to expect from that city

very sad

and i am solidly in the trich sucks crowd now

 
Been calling this for a long time, we had a rough week 1 and the haters came out. Now the haters have their thumbs in their mouths and tears streaming down their faces. Where are all the haters now? Where are the guys who responded to ANY post I posted in with comments about Trent's surgeries, his bad week 1, his horrible O-line, his bad team? Where are the guys that bashed Richardson just because I don't believe in Mark Ingram? Where are you? Come on in and bash my loyalty to Richardson now. CHOO CHOO This bandwagon is full steam ahead. :own3d: :own3d: :own3d:
Oops.
 
They should use him like NO used Sproles/Thomas the past few years. How San Diego uses Woodhead this year and New England uses Vereen.

5-10 rushes with 8-12 targets. He's been decent in the passing game with the dump-off passes the last couple weeks.
Been saying this for a long time now - he's a FB and should be used the way Larry Centers was.

 
Rotoworld:

Sources tell ESPN's Mike Wells that Trent Richardson struggled with weight issues last season and was "difficult to get in touch with."
Richardson — who is listed at 225 pounds — reportedly ballooned all the way up to 240, and was seen running sprints after practice to work on his "conditioning." The Colts were also miffed when Richardson missed the team's walk-though the day before the AFC Championship Game. That earned Richardson a two-game suspension. The Colts can void the $3.1 million in guaranteed money Richardson is owed next season, though the Players Association would probably appeal that decision. Either way, the mega-bust isn't long for Indy.

Source: ESPN
Feb 9 - 1:40 PM
 
They should use him like NO used Sproles/Thomas the past few years. How San Diego uses Woodhead this year and New England uses Vereen.

5-10 rushes with 8-12 targets. He's been decent in the passing game with the dump-off passes the last couple weeks.
Been saying this for a long time now - he's a FB and should be used the way Larry Centers was.
He woulnt be a good ANYTHING but punchline

 
Rotoworld:

Sources tell ESPN's Mike Wells that Trent Richardson struggled with weight issues last season and was "difficult to get in touch with."
Richardson — who is listed at 225 pounds — reportedly ballooned all the way up to 240, and was seen running sprints after practice to work on his "conditioning." The Colts were also miffed when Richardson missed the team's walk-though the day before the AFC Championship Game. That earned Richardson a two-game suspension. The Colts can void the $3.1 million in guaranteed money Richardson is owed next season, though the Players Association would probably appeal that decision. Either way, the mega-bust isn't long for Indy.

Source: ESPN
Feb 9 - 1:40 PM
what is wrong with these players? seriously...guys not showing up for walk-throughs (Gordon/Trent) and costing themselves millions of dollars for their stupidity. I just don't get it.

If there's ever any possiblity that Trent has a comeback he needs to lose a bunch of weight and get to the low 200's. He's just too bulky and slow...getting fatter certainly didn't help.

 
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Rotoworld:

Sources tell ESPN's Mike Wells that Trent Richardson struggled with weight issues last season and was "difficult to get in touch with."
Richardson — who is listed at 225 pounds — reportedly ballooned all the way up to 240, and was seen running sprints after practice to work on his "conditioning." The Colts were also miffed when Richardson missed the team's walk-though the day before the AFC Championship Game. That earned Richardson a two-game suspension. The Colts can void the $3.1 million in guaranteed money Richardson is owed next season, though the Players Association would probably appeal that decision. Either way, the mega-bust isn't long for Indy.

Source: ESPN
Feb 9 - 1:40 PM
what is wrong with these players? seriously...guys not showing up for walk-throughs (Gordon/Trent) and costing themselves millions of dollars for their stupidity. I just don't get it.

If there's ever any possiblity that Trent has a comeback he needs to lose a bunch of weight and get to the low 200's. He's just too bulky and slow...getting fatter certainly didn't help.
I get it. They are young and stupid and will likely kick themselves every day about it when they are older.

As a 30-something who grew up with a good family and learned an actual work ethic to me he looks like a total moron, and how could anyone be dumber?

But I can also kinda get the perspective of "I am the man and I (like Cartman) do what I want".

 
I traded him for a rookie 5th, so I'm sure he'll "blow up" for some other team now. :D
Whoa. 5th round or 5th pick in the draft? I can't believe anyone would pay 5th overall but I couldn't push him along for just a 5th round pick?
Why? He's dead weight. Especially in IDP I'd consider a 5th. He's a roster black hole that is too "valuable" to cut but just takes up space on your roster and in your head.

 
So his absence from the lineup wasn't a personal matter like the team lead us to believe but rather a 2 game suspension. Most people were guessing that the team shut him down due to his poor play. However, there were some people inquiring about the health of his mother on twitter.

 
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I traded him for a rookie 5th, so I'm sure he'll "blow up" for some other team now. :D
Whoa. 5th round or 5th pick in the draft? I can't believe anyone would pay 5th overall but I couldn't push him along for just a 5th round pick?
Just a 5th. :kicksrock:

We have to cut down to 16 including a K and DST. I can't see holding him for that. I'd rather throw a dart with a 5th. And this comes from a disgruntled Colts fan!

 
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There's a thread on the first page or two entitled "what happened to the Shark Pool?" The answer is ****ty and inconsistent moderation. The fact that an obvious, horrible troll like GreenNGold isn't banned or even warned for his "contributions" is a giant blinking ****ing neon sign pointing to the issues in the Shark Pool. A symptom of a serious issue that is killing the value of this place. And it's 100% fixable. The desire and give-a-#### just don't seem to be there.
Sorry for being negative (and correct) about TRich during your 2012 love affair. I'm glad that differing opinions is not a bannable offense here.

 
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Trent Richardson is a top 5 back every week for the next 5 years barring injury. Those who do not believe so do not own him.
where are the TRich backers - they usually show up after the game.
he didn't play, what's to say?
8 carries for 8 yards isn't playing? Why do injuries against TRich not count, but when talking about every other back in the league they do? Besides that, YTD he is averaging a very mediocre 3.3 YPC and most of his TD's where the result of opportune turnovers by the Cleveland defense, which we all know should not be expected as the norm. Breaking News: Trent "I love getting stuffed" Richardson just signed an endorsement deal with Pizza Hut to promote their stuffed crust pizza.
. PROTIP: Avoid this scrub.
There's a thread on the first page or two entitled "what happened to the Shark Pool?" The answer is ****ty and inconsistent moderation. The fact that an obvious, horrible troll like GreenNGold isn't banned or even warned for his "contributions" is a giant blinking ****ing neon sign pointing to the issues in the Shark Pool. A symptom of a serious issue that is killing the value of this place. And it's 100% fixable. The desire and give-a-#### just don't seem to be there.
:lmao: :lmao:

dude had it nailed long before I ever jumped on the hatewagon

 
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So he's a lazy and overweight turd? I'm actually sort of glad to hear it. It provides an explanation for why he has been such a disappointment. I could not wrap my head around the idea of him busting this badly based solely on talent.

 
There's a thread on the first page or two entitled "what happened to the Shark Pool?" The answer is ****ty and inconsistent moderation. The fact that an obvious, horrible troll like GreenNGold isn't banned or even warned for his "contributions" is a giant blinking ****ing neon sign pointing to the issues in the Shark Pool. A symptom of a serious issue that is killing the value of this place. And it's 100% fixable. The desire and give-a-#### just don't seem to be there.
Sorry for being negative (and correct) about TRich during your 2012 love affair. I'm glad that differing opinions is not a bannable offense here.
You really dug this up? So much for turning over a new leaf, huh? You used to be a troll (might still be), my post had nothing to do with your opinions and everything to do with delivery.

 
There's a thread on the first page or two entitled "what happened to the Shark Pool?" The answer is ****ty and inconsistent moderation. The fact that an obvious, horrible troll like GreenNGold isn't banned or even warned for his "contributions" is a giant blinking ****ing neon sign pointing to the issues in the Shark Pool. A symptom of a serious issue that is killing the value of this place. And it's 100% fixable. The desire and give-a-#### just don't seem to be there.
Sorry for being negative (and correct) about TRich during your 2012 love affair. I'm glad that differing opinions is not a bannable offense here.
You really dug this up? So much for turning over a new leaf, huh? You used to be a troll (might still be), my post had nothing to do with your opinions and everything to do with delivery.
dude, just eat your crow like a man

 
#1 fantasy RB since week 2.
He hasn't even really been unleashed yet.
Does it bother anyone that he only has one 100 yard game and no real big games yet? Should it be a concern?
Nope. Doesn't bother me at all. The yards are dependent on carries. He hasn't eclipsed 20 yet. He'll have those 25-30 carry games where he just takes over. He's going to have a lot of monster 150-200 yard games in his career. I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple of them this year. TD in past 4 games doesn't suck, either. He's a monster. Not worried one bit about him, moving forward (redraft and certainly not in dynasty).
Not calling you out, most people thought the same thing his rookie year. Find it incredible that he never even came close to a single 150 yard game (highest was 122).

 
12punch said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
GreenNGold said:
There's a thread on the first page or two entitled "what happened to the Shark Pool?" The answer is ****ty and inconsistent moderation. The fact that an obvious, horrible troll like GreenNGold isn't banned or even warned for his "contributions" is a giant blinking ****ing neon sign pointing to the issues in the Shark Pool. A symptom of a serious issue that is killing the value of this place. And it's 100% fixable. The desire and give-a-#### just don't seem to be there.
Sorry for being negative (and correct) about TRich during your 2012 love affair. I'm glad that differing opinions is not a bannable offense here.
You really dug this up? So much for turning over a new leaf, huh? You used to be a troll (might still be), my post had nothing to do with your opinions and everything to do with delivery.
dude, just eat your crow like a man
I ate my crow on Trent a LONG time ago, whoever the hell you are. Long before this season even started. Digging up some of the worst posts this thread has seen isn't accomplishing anything. The time to crow about being right about Trent was about a year ago. It's just weird to be doing this now.

 
Rotoworld:

Trent Richardson - RB - Colts

Sources tell the Indianapolis Star Trent Richardson's absence from the Colts' walk-through and team flight before the AFC Championship Game was due to "serious complications" with his girlfriend's pregnancy.

Per the sources, T-Rich's girlfriend was "experiencing contractions and appeared to be in premature labor at just 28 weeks of pregnancy." That would certainly be a valid reason to miss a walk-through, but sources say T-Rich didn't alert the team in a "timely manner." It's an important issue, as Richardson's resulting suspension means his fully guaranteed $3.184 million for 2015 could be voided. If the Colts take that step, they'll undoubtedly have a fight on their hands.

Source: Indianapolis Star

Feb 17 - 7:36 PM
 

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