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Trent Richardson (1 Viewer)

Unless something changes next week or Shady comes back, starting Bryce over Rich week 15. Reserving opinion on Knowshon until I watch Thursday night. Volume is a big part of our game, but it isn't everything. Richardson was very ordinary again this week. Going down on first contact, no explosion in his cuts, too much dancing - more of the same. Concerned.
Look at me! I was smart and picked up Bryce and Knowshon!
 
Unless something changes next week or Shady comes back, starting Bryce over Rich week 15. Reserving opinion on Knowshon until I watch Thursday night. Volume is a big part of our game, but it isn't everything. Richardson was very ordinary again this week. Going down on first contact, no explosion in his cuts, too much dancing - more of the same. Concerned.
Look at me! I was smart and picked up Bryce and Knowshon!
:lmao:
 
Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
 
His YPC is disconcerting, but may I present to you his fantasy points per game in my league (.5 PPR) since Week 8?

19.9

16.6

17.4

19.2

17.0

17.6

Bottom line is that he's going to catch passes, he's going to get the goal line carries, and he's going to get his touches -- all behind a solid O-Line. That's going to produce points for any RB, let alone one as talented as Richardson.

 
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His YPC is disconcerting, but may I present to you his fantasy points per game in my league (.5 PPR) since Week 8?

19.9

16.6

17.4

19.2

17.0

17.6

Bottom line is that he's going to catch passes, he's going to get the goal line carries, and he's going to get his touches -- all behind a solid O-Line. That's going to produce points for any RB, let alone one as talented as Richardson.
I'm wondering if I should waste a roster spot on his backup in case something happens FF playoff time.
 
His YPC is disconcerting, but may I present to you his fantasy points per game in my league (.5 PPR) since Week 8?19.916.617.419.217.017.6Bottom line is that he's going to catch passes, he's going to get the goal line carries, and he's going to get his touches -- all behind a solid O-Line. That's going to produce points for any RB, let alone one as talented as Richardson.
:goodposting:Screw his YPC. Over the last seven weeks, Richardson is the #4 RB overall. This is like complaining that your hot girlfriend isn't a good listener.
 
Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
contingency plan? who else is going to get as many goal line opportunities? thanks but ill just stick with the guy getting the most of the chances.
 
Yup. It's all about opportunities and Richardson is getting tons of opportunities.

Contrast him with a guy like CJ Spiller. Sure Spiller produces far more per touch but he only got 8 touches yesterday and averages 14 touches per game compared to Rrichardson's 23. As much as I like Spiller I doubt I would ever start him over Richardson. Even with Fred Jackson out I would still hesitate to start Spiller over Richardson because Spiller will be pulled at the goal line.

 
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Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
contingency plan? who else is going to get as many goal line opportunities? thanks but ill just stick with the guy getting the most of the chances.
Probably too late now, which is why I wrote about Moreno and Bryce in November. If David Wilson is out there he might not be a bad speculative add,. just to see how the week goes. If there's an injury this week I would consider claiming a backup, so if you have dead weight on the roster now drop it for a backup that could be a great fill-in. Turbin and Pierce immediately come to mind. Don't know matchups off the top of my head though.
 
'Chaka said:
Yup. It's all about opportunities and Richardson is getting tons of opportunities.Contrast him with a guy like CJ Spiller. Sure Spiller produces far more per touch but he only got 8 touches yesterday and averages 14 touches per game compared to Rrichardson's 23. As much as I like Spiller I doubt I would ever start him over Richardson. Even with Fred Jackson out I would still hesitate to start Spiller over Richardson because Spiller will be pulled at the goal line.
You'd have to be incredibly stacked at RB to be able to bench Trent right now.
 
Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
This post seems like panic to me. Hardesty got some run this week, but only because that game got out of hand. Also, he fumbled at the goal line @ the end of the one series he did get, and TRich had to come in and mop up. Richardson has been getting a ridiculous load lately, and I am sure with the game in hand, it just became smart to give him some restHardesty is a pretty good change of pace, but Richardson is there to just demolish players on the other side of the ball. Hardesty can't handle enough load to hurt him, and even if he did, he would not be able to push for those hard yards that Richardson gets. He busts off pretty good runs, when he comes in on change of pace, but that is it
 
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Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
This post seems like panic to me. Hardesty got some run this week, but only because that game got out of hand. Also, he fumbled at the goal line @ the end of the one series he did get, and TRich had to come in and mop up. Richardson has been getting a ridiculous load lately, and I am sure with the game in hand, it just became smart to give him some restHardesty is a pretty good change of pace, but Richardson is there to just demolish players on the other side of the ball. Hardesty can't handle enough load to hurt him, and even if he did, he would not be able to push for those hard yards that Richardson gets. He busts off pretty good runs, when he comes in on change of pace, but that is it
Hardesty was making plays long before it was out of reach, I'm no Hardesty fan, he's just a change of pace back, but that's telling. He saw a lot more series' earlier in the game too. The last word I would use to describe the way Richardson has ran lately is demolishing. The special qualities he ran with earlier in the season left sometime in early November. Here's hoping 2013 goes more like I think it will. Encouraging that a down year is still producing this kind of production though.
 
Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
This post seems like panic to me. Hardesty got some run this week, but only because that game got out of hand. Also, he fumbled at the goal line @ the end of the one series he did get, and TRich had to come in and mop up. Richardson has been getting a ridiculous load lately, and I am sure with the game in hand, it just became smart to give him some restHardesty is a pretty good change of pace, but Richardson is there to just demolish players on the other side of the ball. Hardesty can't handle enough load to hurt him, and even if he did, he would not be able to push for those hard yards that Richardson gets. He busts off pretty good runs, when he comes in on change of pace, but that is it
Hardesty was making plays long before it was out of reach, I'm no Hardesty fan, he's just a change of pace back, but that's telling. He saw a lot more series' earlier in the game too. The last word I would use to describe the way Richardson has ran lately is demolishing. The special qualities he ran with earlier in the season left sometime in early November. Here's hoping 2013 goes more like I think it will. Encouraging that a down year is still producing this kind of production though.
I just don't see in what world 1,200 yards & 10 TDs in 13 games (12 really) is a down year.
 
Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
This post seems like panic to me. Hardesty got some run this week, but only because that game got out of hand. Also, he fumbled at the goal line @ the end of the one series he did get, and TRich had to come in and mop up. Richardson has been getting a ridiculous load lately, and I am sure with the game in hand, it just became smart to give him some restHardesty is a pretty good change of pace, but Richardson is there to just demolish players on the other side of the ball. Hardesty can't handle enough load to hurt him, and even if he did, he would not be able to push for those hard yards that Richardson gets. He busts off pretty good runs, when he comes in on change of pace, but that is it
Hardesty was making plays long before it was out of reach, I'm no Hardesty fan, he's just a change of pace back, but that's telling. He saw a lot more series' earlier in the game too. The last word I would use to describe the way Richardson has ran lately is demolishing. The special qualities he ran with earlier in the season left sometime in early November. Here's hoping 2013 goes more like I think it will. Encouraging that a down year is still producing this kind of production though.
I just don't see in what world 1,200 yards & 10 TDs in 13 games (12 really) is a down year.
He hasn't played as well as I expected, on the field. If he played like he did in college or in the few rare games he was healthy this was a 1700/15 sort of campaign. The reason I was considering him in the top 5 in redrafts before the knee scope.
 
Thank goodness for the TDs, but his rushing yards have dropped 4 weeks in a row now. :unsure:
I didn't see the game but I read that kc had 8 in the box at all times and focused in on stopping trich all game daring weeden to beat them through the air.
Incorrect, Hardesty is hitting the hole harder than him and saw an increase in the number of series' this week. I'm not in here giving this take because I want him to fail or trying to be cute, I'm a Browns fan and have Rich on both dyno teams, one in which I drafted 3 years ago I liked him so much and the other I traded Jimmy Graham (plus) to get him. I think he's the real deal...long term. I'm just writing what I see right now and what I see is very discouraging given the upcoming schedule. Now, if RG3 doesn't play then the Redskins game is no longer a bench consideration because that's a game the Browns should win. If RG3's knee is fine then I think the Redskins win and when the Browns are behind the run:pass ratio swings violently in the other direction, making Richardson a very risky start imho.After this week's disaster I can't trust Bryce over Rich week 15, but I'm thinking about Knowshon if RG3 plays. And if nothing else changes next week almost certainly starting Knowshon over him week 16. Not sure who else I'd slot in there, but I'm sure there's more. Seek contingency plans if you haven't already.
This post seems like panic to me. Hardesty got some run this week, but only because that game got out of hand. Also, he fumbled at the goal line @ the end of the one series he did get, and TRich had to come in and mop up. Richardson has been getting a ridiculous load lately, and I am sure with the game in hand, it just became smart to give him some restHardesty is a pretty good change of pace, but Richardson is there to just demolish players on the other side of the ball. Hardesty can't handle enough load to hurt him, and even if he did, he would not be able to push for those hard yards that Richardson gets. He busts off pretty good runs, when he comes in on change of pace, but that is it
Hardesty was making plays long before it was out of reach, I'm no Hardesty fan, he's just a change of pace back, but that's telling. He saw a lot more series' earlier in the game too. The last word I would use to describe the way Richardson has ran lately is demolishing. The special qualities he ran with earlier in the season left sometime in early November. Here's hoping 2013 goes more like I think it will. Encouraging that a down year is still producing this kind of production though.
I just don't see in what world 1,200 yards & 10 TDs in 13 games (12 really) is a down year.
Richardson is the #6 RB in fantasy this year. If that's a down year, then I wish all my players had down years every year.
 
I am not saying that his YPC is all that great lately, but I don't think the Browns are all that concerned with that at this point. They like that he is a workhorse. He is punishing as a runner, no matter what anyone thinks by way of his stats. When you watch the guy, it takes half the men on the field to tackle him. He even caught a TD where he was called for Offensive PI, but I challenge anyone to go and watch that play and tell me that he pushed off. So that one was stolen from him by a bad call

He produces with what is given to him, and when he is on the field, he opens up opportunities for the passing game because the defense is so focused on stopping him. When Hardesty comes on the field, he busts off decent runs because they don't really care about him as much.

My 2 cents

 
When you watch the guy, it takes half the men on the field to tackle him.
Not lately.
Well it did when I watched the game yesterday. Maybe not every play, but I saw a whole lot of runs when he was dragging defenders. Like I said, when everyone on the field focuses on stopping you, then it will be tough sledding. I am sure some folks would love to take him off your hands if your not satisfied with his play
 
He hasn't played as well as I expected, on the field. If he played like he did in college or in the few rare games he was healthy this was a 1700/15 sort of campaign. The reason I was considering him in the top 5 in redrafts before the knee scope.
1) I think the problem may lie with your expectations not Richardson's production. Cleveland vs the NFL is not even remotely close to Alabama vs the rest of the NCAA.2) He is on pace for 1,500 and 12 which I think is much closer to where most realistic expectations should have been when he was drafted.3) For a guy that had two knee surgeries since January, missed most of training camp and added a rib/shoulder injury seven weeks ago he has been nothing short of phenomenal.
 
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I am not saying that his YPC is all that great lately, but I don't think the Browns are all that concerned with that at this point. They like that he is a workhorse. He is punishing as a runner, no matter what anyone thinks by way of his stats. When you watch the guy, it takes half the men on the field to tackle him. He even caught a TD where he was called for Offensive PI, but I challenge anyone to go and watch that play and tell me that he pushed off. So that one was stolen from him by a bad callHe produces with what is given to him, and when he is on the field, he opens up opportunities for the passing game because the defense is so focused on stopping him. When Hardesty comes on the field, he busts off decent runs because they don't really care about him as much. My 2 cents
I think I read this week that he's still wearing that flak jacket and can't carry the ball with his left arm. Therefore, he can't use his stiff arm if the play gets called to the left side. I'd have to imagine that's putting a damper on what he can actually do out there. He's still producing well (outside of YPC) while he's limited in how he can run. I'll take 1,200 and 10 through 13 games given he's been hurt since week 6.
 
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He hasn't played as well as I expected, on the field. If he played like he did in college or in the few rare games he was healthy this was a 1700/15 sort of campaign. The reason I was considering him in the top 5 in redrafts before the knee scope.
1) I think the problem may lie with your expectations not Richardson's production. Cleveland vs the NFL is not even remotely close to Alabama vs the rest of the NCAA.2) He is on pace for 1,500 and 12 which I think is much closer to where most realistic expectations should have been when he was drafted.3) For a guy that had two knee surgeries since January, missed most of training camp and added a rib/shoulder injury seven weeks ago he has been nothing short of phenomenal.
I am talking about the way he's running, not how he is producing. He's not running like he did at Alabama or in his big games early in the year. He's dancing more and not finishing his runs, going down on first contact.#3 could be a very good explanation, but all that does is make him a better value next year, it doesn't help the next two weeks. He's still my #1 dyno player, overall, I just think he's a RB2 or flex the next two weeks which is why I made backup plans.
 
Richardson is not running to daylight, he's running into traffic. If he had decent coaching the RB coach would work with him on this in the film room. Also they playcalling with him is not optimal. At Bama they used for more than a battering ram and had better results.

 
He hasn't played as well as I expected, on the field. If he played like he did in college or in the few rare games he was healthy this was a 1700/15 sort of campaign. The reason I was considering him in the top 5 in redrafts before the knee scope.
1) I think the problem may lie with your expectations not Richardson's production. Cleveland vs the NFL is not even remotely close to Alabama vs the rest of the NCAA.2) He is on pace for 1,500 and 12 which I think is much closer to where most realistic expectations should have been when he was drafted.3) For a guy that had two knee surgeries since January, missed most of training camp and added a rib/shoulder injury seven weeks ago he has been nothing short of phenomenal.
I am talking about the way he's running, not how he is producing. He's not running like he did at Alabama or in his big games early in the year. He's dancing more and not finishing his runs, going down on first contact.#3 could be a very good explanation, but all that does is make him a better value next year, it doesn't help the next two weeks. He's still my #1 dyno player, overall, I just think he's a RB2 or flex the next two weeks which is why I made backup plans.
He has had some tough matchups recently and he did fine. I think there is some truth in the not running to daylight, and the way he hits holes sometimes, but the part about going down on first contact is overblown I think. It may happen, but not that much. I am happy with him, and there is no way that I am leaving him on the bench
 
He hasn't played as well as I expected, on the field. If he played like he did in college or in the few rare games he was healthy this was a 1700/15 sort of campaign. The reason I was considering him in the top 5 in redrafts before the knee scope.
1) I think the problem may lie with your expectations not Richardson's production. Cleveland vs the NFL is not even remotely close to Alabama vs the rest of the NCAA.2) He is on pace for 1,500 and 12 which I think is much closer to where most realistic expectations should have been when he was drafted.

3) For a guy that had two knee surgeries since January, missed most of training camp and added a rib/shoulder injury seven weeks ago he has been nothing short of phenomenal.
I am talking about the way he's running, not how he is producing. He's not running like he did at Alabama or in his big games early in the year. He's dancing more and not finishing his runs, going down on first contact.#3 could be a very good explanation, but all that does is make him a better value next year, it doesn't help the next two weeks. He's still my #1 dyno player, overall, I just think he's a RB2 or flex the next two weeks which is why I made backup plans.
It doesn't seem like you are making a distinction between how he is running and how he is producing. Fine he may not be tearing up NFL defenses like he tore up Upper Northeast Chattanooga Polytechnic A&M, or even LSU for that matter but his fantasy production has been top 3 for the last five weeks and top 6 all season. I believe you have been calling for RB2 production for at least two weeks in this thread, I guess if you say it enough times eventually you will be right but he has done nothing but put up RB1 numbers all year and I think fantasy players should act accordingly.

Knowshon is an interesting guy and you bring him up a lot. He should get 20+ touches (@ Balt) but do you really see him as a superior runner at this point? I don't think he has demonstrated the nose for the endzone that Richardson either. Knowshon has been the #12 RB in my league since he took over in week 11 (#17 ppg) and Richardson has been #4 (#5 ppg). Knowshon has 3 rushes and 0 targets inside the 5 in that time (1 TD), Richardson has 6 rushes and 0 targets (3 TD). However as a team Denver has 18 rushes inside the 5 on the season (6TD) and Cleveland has only 12 rushes inside the 5 (5 TD). I could see Knowshon outproduce Trent but I don't think I would be willing to bet my fantasy playoff life on it.

LeSean McCoy cleared his concussion test today so there is no way I would consider your other guy, Bryce Brown, over Richardson.

And don't kid yourself Richardson's value is going to be extremely high in all drafts next year.

 
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BTW, for you T-Rich owners that didn't see it, he got totally robbed of a 3rd TD yesterday. Got called for a completely bogus OPI on a really nice 9-yard TD reception.

 
I believe you have been calling for RB2 production for at least two weeks in this thread
Incorrect, my concern all along was weeks 15 and 16. I started him the last 2 weeks, hoping he would run better, but expecting solid end-game production. He continue to run poorly, but got his nose in the end zone. I'm wary vs. RG3 and Peyton Manning those opportunities won't be there as often. If RG3 doesn't play, completely different ball game. Pat goes pass-pass-pass-pass the moment he falls behind, so he becomes a lot riskier in expected losses.
 
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/77677/is-it-valid-to-call-richardson-injury-prone

Is it valid to call Richardson injury-prone?

By Jamison Hensley | ESPN.com

When players are injured, they rarely want to talk to the media. But, after sitting out Thursday's practice with a strained muscle in his shin, Cleveland Browns running back Trent Richardson seemed determined to set the record straight.

"It's not going to be like last year, being hurt and injured," Richardson said. "Injury prone is not going to be me. I just can't wait to get back out and running."

The problem is, when it comes to the "injury-prone" label, you can't shed it by talking about it. Richardson has to get out on the field and prove he can remain healthy for more than half a season.

By all accounts, this latest injury is a minor one. Head coach Rob Chudzinski emphasized the Browns are being conservative with him. Richardson said it didn't warrant an MRI. If there was a game on Sunday, he probably would play.

The only reason why Richardon's injury is an issue is his history. In 13 months with the Browns, Richardson has had four injuries that have caused him to miss time on the practice field or in games.

Here's a quick rundown:

  • In August, Richardson had a procedure on his left knee to remove a loose piece of cartilage. It caused him to miss the entire preseason.
  • On Oct. 14 against the Bengals, he broke two ribs and played the rest of the season with a protective jacket. The injury forced him to miss the second half of two games.
  • On Dec. 24 against the Broncos, Richardson suffered a mild high ankle sprain and left the stadium in a walking boot. This sidelined him for the season finale.
  • Last week at practice, Richardson pulled a muscle in his lower leg and could miss next week's mandatory minicamp. The expectation is for Richardson to be ready for training camp in late July.
Based on his track record, you could make a convincing argument that Richardson has been injury prone in his short time with the Browns. It seems like Richardson hasn't been healthy since he signed his rookie contract with Cleveland. But I would give Richardson another season before lumping him in the same injury-prone category as Ryan Mathews and Reggie Bush. If Richardson can't stay healthy in his second season, even Richardson himself couldn't deny being injury prone.

Durability was the concern when the Browns drafted him No. 3 overall last year. But there is a difference between being injury prone and being soft. No one can accuse Richardson of being the latter after he averaged 21.7 touches while playing 10 games with broken ribs.

Still, Richardson won't be able to reach his potential if he's trying to shake off injuries and tacklers at the same time. It was admirable that Richardson was able to run for 950 yards and score 12 touchdowns with all of those injuries last season. But injuries obviously affected his average yards per carry (3.6) and his effectiveness down the stretch.

Chudzinski said the team isn't concerned about Richardson's history of injuries.

"I know he is healthy from all the things from this past season," Chudzinski said. "This is just something that we are working through and he will be fine.”
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Cleveland believes the Browns have concerns about Trent Richardson’s injury history.
Richardson hasn't participated in OTAs and is not expected to be available for mandatory minicamp. He missed the entire preseason last year while recovering from knee surgery and played most of 2012 despite having two broken ribs. The Browns insist they're holding Richardson out of workouts as a "precautionary measure" and that he's currently on track to be ready for training camp.

Source: ESPN Cleveland
 
Rotoworld:

ESPN Cleveland believes the Browns have concerns about Trent Richardson’s injury history.
Richardson hasn't participated in OTAs and is not expected to be available for mandatory minicamp. He missed the entire preseason last year while recovering from knee surgery and played most of 2012 despite having two broken ribs. The Browns insist they're holding Richardson out of workouts as a "precautionary measure" and that he's currently on track to be ready for training camp.

Source: ESPN Cleveland
Point to everything else, but I'm unsure how two broken ribs (And playing with them) is indicative of a player being 'injury prone'.

Not that that's what the article suggests though.

 
Haven't we been down this road before? "Fragile" Fred Taylor was "injury prone"...until he wasn't. Many RBs have had the "injury prone" label...and then simply stop getting injured and lose it. This would be different if he had a long term, chronic concern (think Bradshaw's foot injury or Sean Alexander's "cracked foot" a few year's back...or Ryan Williams' destroyed knee). It would also be different if he showed a tendancy to sit for what many would consider "minor" injuries. With Trent Richardson, neither of the two seem to be the case at this point. I think anyone knocking TRich down their draft boards due to "injury concern" might be a bit disappointed when they face his owner in the playoffs.

 
Haven't we been down this road before? "Fragile" Fred Taylor was "injury prone"...until he wasn't. Many RBs have had the "injury prone" label...and then simply stop getting injured and lose it. This would be different if he had a long term, chronic concern (think Bradshaw's foot injury or Sean Alexander's "cracked foot" a few year's back...or Ryan Williams' destroyed knee). It would also be different if he showed a tendancy to sit for what many would consider "minor" injuries. With Trent Richardson, neither of the two seem to be the case at this point. I think anyone knocking TRich down their draft boards due to "injury concern" might be a bit disappointed when they face his owner in the playoffs.
While I'm generally on the same bandwagon of dismissing the injury prone label, it's interesting that Fred Taylor is still the banner boy for it. That was a long time ago and since then we've seen plenty of "injury prone" guys continue to be injury prone. It's been 10 years since Fred Taylor last played a full season without an injury and that's still what people are sticking to.

It's also interesting to note that Taylor did miss a fair amount of time even after the "injury prone" thing wore off. He missed time in 11 out of 13 seasons, including each of his last 7.

 
The more curious thing is look at the last 3 Alabama starters and injury issues: Ingram, Richardson, Lacy. Coincidence or correlation?

 
The more curious thing is look at the last 3 Alabama starters and injury issues: Ingram, Richardson, Lacy. Coincidence or correlation?
Correlation in that people who get tackled by large humans have injury issues - Coincidence that those three are from Alabama. Name any RB that hasn't battled an injury or two... nature of the game.
 
The more curious thing is look at the last 3 Alabama starters and injury issues: Ingram, Richardson, Lacy. Coincidence or correlation?
Correlation in that people who get tackled by large humans have injury issues - Coincidence that those three are from Alabama.Name any RB that hasn't battled an injury or two... nature of the game.
They're all young in their careers is the point and all have an injury prone label attached already(potentially). Many other RB's under the age of 24 don't have that label.

 
The challenge for Richardson is in his style of play. He runs angry and isn't afraid of making contact. He may find that he will eventually need to be more selective with his contact and dishing out punishment to those who are trying to tackle him.

 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/04/report-trent-richardson-out-until-august/

Report: Trent Richardson out until AugustPosted by Darin Gantt on June 4, 2013, 10:06 AM EDT

Browns running back Trent Richardson said last week that he wasn’t going to become injury prone, as if he got to decide.

Now, it appears the Browns are going to give him time to recover, just in case it happens to be beyond his control.

According to Will Burge of ESPNCleveland.com, Richardson will be held out until August, because the team fears that his recent leg injury could turn into a stress fracture.

Getting problems cleared up in June, before they become a bigger deal in September, is always the smart way to do business. But no matter how much Richardson wants to deny it, the accumulated problems begin looking like a trend at a certain point.
 
Getting problems cleared up in June, before they become a bigger deal in September, is always the smart way to do business. But no matter how much Richardson wants to deny it, the accumulated problems begin looking like a trend at a certain point.
Yep. Richardson is now a hold for current dyno owners, if you're not see if you can get him at a modest discount. Cases like this are why I don't bother creating a redraft board until the week of my first draft. Possible Richardson is anywhere from 2 to 20 by the time those come around. Drafts the first two weeks of August will have close to zero clarity though.

 
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/06/04/report-trent-richardson-out-until-august/

Report: Trent Richardson out until AugustPosted by Darin Gantt on June 4, 2013, 10:06 AM EDT

Browns running back Trent Richardson said last week that he wasn’t going to become injury prone, as if he got to decide.

Now, it appears the Browns are going to give him time to recover, just in case it happens to be beyond his control.

According to Will Burge of ESPNCleveland.com, Richardson will be held out until August, because the team fears that his recent leg injury could turn into a stress fracture.

Getting problems cleared up in June, before they become a bigger deal in September, is always the smart way to do business. But no matter how much Richardson wants to deny it, the accumulated problems begin looking like a trend at a certain point.
Yes, it is always a bit concerning when the coaches that see a player every day start making certain precautions for specific players. They make it sound cavalier and usually say something like "we are just being smart about it" or "we are protecting the player form himself" but the true issue to look at is the team is installing specific precautions for a specific person that is not necessary with other players.

Now this may work out just fine, kind of like how Bradshaw never seemed to practice but roled out on Sunday and produced but I think you have to recognize it as an exception made and that it could possibly be an indicator of a player whose career will or may be shortened if they aren't held back in some way and that translates into the team likely thinking they can't be as durable as the everyday Joe on another team.

 
A lil-update from Mary Kay Cabot a half hour ago explaining how he injured his shin.

It does seem precautionary so if people over-react Trent could possibly be acquired at a bargain price.

Mary Kay Cabot‏@MaryKayCabot22m

#browns Trent Richardson suffered the lower right leg strain when someone stepped on his shin in practice two weeks ago.

 
More details breaking....

http://www.espncleveland.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=18651

Sources: Trent Richardson Out Until AugustJun 04, 2013 -- 10:30am

Browns running back Trent Richardson was expected to miss mini-camp with a lower leg strain. What no one expected was for Richardson to miss part of training camp.

A source very close to Richardson told ESPN Cleveland on Saturday that the team had informed the running back he will be held out of action until August. This would mean Richardson will miss at least a portion of training camp.

The source explained that the team is being “ultra-cautious” with Richardson’s injury because they are worried it could develop into a stress fracture. The source cited Kevin Ware, the basketball player from Louisville whose leg snapped on a seemingly routine play, as the worst case scenario that this injury could develop into.

Richardson maintained last week during OTAs that he could participate in mini-camp and OTAs if the team would allow him and pointed to the fact that he was on the stationary bikes during the portion open to the media. One source told ESPN Cleveland, however, that there were days Richardson wasn’t even allowed “off the (trainers) table.”

The source close to Richardson also said that he has been taking medication for migraines. The source said the migraine medication combined with not being able to do a full weight lifting program has also caused Richardson to lose weight over the past two weeks.

The Browns are expected to start training camp in mid-to-late July. At this point it looks as though the start date of camp will determine how much time Richardson may miss.

ESPN Cleveland will have more details as they become available.

 
Is it me, or does this seem like a massive over-reaction if this is just a "lower leg strain?" Also seems rather unlikely that you'd get a strain (muscle injury) from someone stepping on your leg (which would seem more likely to cause a structural bone / joint issue)? I'm sure it'll be written off because I'm a "Richardson hater" but if he's held out into TC itself this will smell awfully fishy to me...

 
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Is it me, or does this seem like a massive over-reaction if this is just a "lower leg strain?" Also seems rather unlikely that you'd get a strain (muscle injury) from someone stepping on your leg (which would seem more likely to cause a structural bone / joint issue)? I'm sure it'll be written off because I'm a "Richardson hater" but if he's held out into TC itself this will smell awfully fishy to me...
Given the time of year the precaution makes total sense. If it were in-season he'd probably practice and play through it, risking the stress fracture developing. There's no good reason to push it right now. Given his missed training camp last year it absolutely makes sense for him to push through it come July and August though.

 
I was going to ask how a strain of a muscle can lead to a stress fracture, but looks like Dr Gene addressed it.

 

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