Trevor Bauer situation…anyone following this? (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

I feel bad for the guy.

Trevor Bauer Accuser Lindsey Hill Gives Lewd Interview With Alex Stein

Trevor Bauer accuser Lindsey Hill gave an off the rails interview to Alex Stein that addressed extortion attempts on the pitcher.

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[ChiefD]

I don't feel bad for that guy.

Edit: his track record before that incident doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt for me.

 

[rockaction]

Answering your question. No, I haven't.

I have no idea who to believe here. Sounds suspect.

I'm with ChiefD in that I don't feel terrible for him, even though it sounds like due process overwhelmingly favored his side.

That's actually sort of tragic. He's kicked to the curb by arbitrators and administrators and blocked from his profession.

The more I type, yeah, I guess I would feel bad if I didn't know that he was such an *** before the incident.

 

[jobarules]

I feel bad for the guy too even though hes a big mega douchebag. It always sounded like from the beginning he got railroaded by this chick and now he has the receipts.

 

[Northern Voice]

Still wait and see IMO. There's still 3 other more credible accusers against him. Sounds like his LA teammates absolutely hated him.

 

[Caveman33]

I posted a thread about this situation a couple years ago. When the police investigated, it was quickly apparent that Hill's accusations were meritless. He didn't need to fight criminal charges but the damage to his public perception was massive. D-bags don't get the benefit of the truth. And he has a history of using mentally unstable women for rough sex. His personality, from what I have seen on youtube is not good. He is disliked by many other players. And he antagonized the MLB so they were happy to chop him down. Many fans disliked him for his trolling and conservative opinions. The truth didn't really matter in Trevor Bauer's case.

 

[beer 30]

I don't feel bad for that guy.

Edit: his track record before that incident doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt for me.

As an Guardians fan, he was on our team for a good portion of his career and was always one of those fringe guys that was into stupid **** that inevitably cause an issue somehow and he'd be like, "what? me? I didn't know that was wrong?" BS. He is a beast on the mound and you can excuse quirkiness when he is pitching lights out.

This isn't quirky, this is an intentional lifestyle. He got hosed by the bimbo but I don't feel bad for him.

 

[rockaction]

conservative opinions

Without getting too political, it must be the new conservatism because the one I'm familiar with sort of frowned upon BDSM exercises with women that skirted in and out of consent. The whole thing was a cluster****. And Bauer's opinions about women and his expressions of sociopolitical stuff weren't so much conservative as fringe something-or-other. I mean, maybe in today's world he's conservative, but it's nothing like I grew up around and worked with. And I said I didn't follow, but that means I didn't follow it in any depth. I'm very familiar with the story, accusations, charges. I just didn't follow the ins and outs of the court system, which seemed to overwhelmingly favor Bauer.

It's all unfortunate because if you click the link eoMMan gave, you'll find that one of the interviewers in question is a domestic abuse survivor and she's upset that somebody would lie about abuse when she actually suffered it. She doesn't outright accuse Hill of lying, but she says something like "If this isn't true, then . . ." and follows that with how upset she would be as a domestic abuse survivor.

Hill either cheapens BDSM/consent evidentiary stuff or she cheapens domestic abuse. Not a good look all around for this woman.

If she did actually suffer non-consensual wounds at the hands of Bauer, I have absolutely no sympathy for him, but the courts seem to not have sided with her. At all.

 

[SWC]

its always tough when one bag of crap has another apparent bag of crap do something crappy to them i mean at the end of the day right or wrong its just all a bunch of crap everywhere take that to the bank brohans

 

[SWC]

also his spin rate dropped big time when mlb started caring just sayin take that to the bank brochachos

 

[Caveman33]

conservative opinions

Without getting too political, it must be the new conservatism because the one I'm familiar with sort of frowned upon BDSM exercises with women that skirted in and out of consent. The whole thing was a cluster****. And Bauer's opinions about women and his expressions of sociopolitical stuff weren't so much conservative as fringe something-or-other. I mean, maybe in today's world he's conservative, but it's nothing like I grew up around and worked with. And I said I didn't follow, but that means I didn't follow it in any depth. I'm very familiar with the story, accusations, charges. I just didn't follow the ins and outs of the court system, which seemed to overwhelmingly favor Bauer.

It's all unfortunate because if you click the link eoMMan gave, you'll find that one of the interviewers in question is a domestic abuse survivor and she's upset that somebody would lie about abuse when she actually suffered it. She doesn't outright accuse Hill of lying, but she says something like "If this isn't true, then . . ." and follows that with how upset she would be as a domestic abuse survivor.

Hill either cheapens BDSM/consent evidentiary stuff or she cheapens domestic abuse. Not a good look all around for this woman.

If she did actually suffer non-consensual wounds at the hands of Bauer, I have absolutely no sympathy for him, but the courts seem to not have sided with her. At all.

Yes, my argument about Bauer's political affiliation coloring the minds of casual fans is really just an opinion of mine. And I know very little about his views. You are certainly right about him not being a traditional conservative. I think he has said things outside the accepted norms which in today's society means , 'you are right wing' etc. When I read baseball fans still misstating facts in Bauer's case and clinging to their original beliefs, I begin to suspect that there is something deeper (deep state!) that is causing them to be so willfully ignorant.

I understand the frustration of the DV survivor. People like Hill create the Boy who cried Wolf effect. When high profile cases like this turn out to be bunk, open minded people might start recognizing patterns that lead them to question the validity of future DV claims. That hurts the real victims.

 

[massraider]

There's still 3 other more credible accusers against him.

Three women have previously accused Bauer of sexual assault. The first accusation was from a San Diego woman in 2021. ESPN's Alden Gonzalez reported the details.
"Bauer, 31, was accused of sexual assault by a San Diego woman who requested a restraining order and essentially alleged that he took consensual rough sex too far over the course of two encounters last April and May. An L.A. judge denied the woman a permanent restraining order in August, and the L.A. County District Attorney's Office declined to file criminal charges in February."
Bauer denied the allegations, stating the two had a "rough" consensual sexual encounter.

Two Ohio women also accused Bauer of sexual assault in separate incidents.
The first woman sought a restraining order in June 2020 against Bauer due to alleged repeated threats sent to her, per Gus Garcia-Roberts and Molly Hensley-Clancy of the Washington Post. She also accused Bauer of sexual assault when he was pitching for the Cincinnati Reds.
"An Ohio woman sought the order in June 2020 after repeated threats from the then-Cincinnati Reds pitcher, according to her lawyer and records separately obtained by The Post. Photographs independently obtained by The Post also show bruises on the woman's face and blood in her eyes, which her attorney said were caused by Bauer punching and choking her during sex without consent."

A Columbus woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault during a years-long relationship that reportedly occurred when he was with the Triple-A Columbus Clippers in 2013 and 2014.
That woman came forward to Garcia-Roberts in 2022 and claimed that Bauer used to choke her unconscious during sex. She also said that Bauer slapped her without consent and anally penetrated her after she lost consciousness. She also stated that she came forward after learning of Bauer's previous denials of assault.

Poor guy

 

[MAC_32]

I watched the video and because I did the algorithm has spat out other related content, but I wouldn't say I am following this. I will say I'm not surprised about any of it though. I didn't write about it at the time because of the reputation he developed. Since he is universally hated until there are facts to the contrary there's no EV+ to engaging the subject. This societal problem created the environment for MLB to unjustly black ball him so I wouldn't say I feel bad for him but rather I'll say we're all collectively culpable, but none of us will own where we fell short and history will eventually repeat itself.

To say anything legal isn't my strong suit would be a vast under statement, but while this ****'s pockets aren't deep MLB's are and I hope he eventually develops enough evidence to get a case against them. And knowing him I wouldn't expect any settling either.

 

[General Malaise]

conservative opinions

Without getting too political, it must be the new conservatism because the one I'm familiar with sort of frowned upon BDSM exercises with women that skirted in and out of consent. The whole thing was a cluster****. And Bauer's opinions about women and his expressions of sociopolitical stuff weren't so much conservative as fringe something-or-other. I mean, maybe in today's world he's conservative, but it's nothing like I grew up around and worked with. And I said I didn't follow, but that means I didn't follow it in any depth. I'm very familiar with the story, accusations, charges. I just didn't follow the ins and outs of the court system, which seemed to overwhelmingly favor Bauer.

It's all unfortunate because if you click the link eoMMan gave, you'll find that one of the interviewers in question is a domestic abuse survivor and she's upset that somebody would lie about abuse when she actually suffered it. She doesn't outright accuse Hill of lying, but she says something like "If this isn't true, then . . ." and follows that with how upset she would be as a domestic abuse survivor.

Hill either cheapens BDSM/consent evidentiary stuff or she cheapens domestic abuse. Not a good look all around for this woman.

If she did actually suffer non-consensual wounds at the hands of Bauer, I have absolutely no sympathy for him, but the courts seem to not have sided with her. At all.

She did get to walk away with a $300,000 insurance (?) settlement so on some level, she was victorious in her quest. Other than that, I agree with everything you've written in here and think there needs to be some attention given to falsifying sexual encounters for personal gain. Is not the first time an athlete's life has been upended and ruined by a bogus allegation. There was a football player who spent years in prison over a false rape allegation and while he tried to make a comeback, the damage was done. I don't known what ramifications his accuser faced because of it but this crap needs to be scrutinized and stopped. Miss Hill cackled to the bank in the Bauer case. Gross.

And I hate Bauer. He's an incel with with a track record of doxxing women on social media. But what she did to him is gross.

 

[eoMMan]

I don't feel bad for that guy.

Edit: his track record before that incident doesn't give him the benefit of the doubt for me.

Honestly, I don’t know much about the other incidents or him personally (aside that he was/is a great pitcher). Me feeling bad for him is about this particular situation.

 

[General Malaise]

I don't known if "incel" is the right choice of words for Bauer, but he is a strange dude with a track record of doxxing women through social media. Whatever the word is for that is the word I'm looking for. Bully? Jerk?

 

[parasaurolophus]

Oh it was consensual choking?

That makes it better I guess, but still repulsive. And yes I realize that means I care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. But so what. If you do freaky stuff, I will think you are a freak.

 

[rockaction]

Oh it was consensual choking?

That makes it better I guess, but still repulsive. And yes I realize that means I care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home. But so what. If you do freaky stuff, I will think you are a freak.

We had a whole thing in our Criminal Law class when I went to law school about BDSM, consent, and rape laws. Everything is so murky you wouldn't believe what a wrench BDSM play throws into evidence. It truly becomes a he-said/she-said thing, and it's ugly.

Right before our class dedicated to BDSM and rape law, I had gone to a tattoo parlor opening in the Lower East Side of Manhattan. Pretty expensive real estate. It was a big opening for a guy named Paul whose last name I won't name as I was a guest of a friend who knew him fairly decently. Anyway, on the walls of the event they were broadcasting a snuff film. It was supposed to be a big point or something or other but all I saw was a woman being tortured and killed in a way that fetishized it. It was obviously not real or the guy would have been arrested, but it got me to thinking about consent and censorship. I thought, "How much is too much for the human eye to see and the human mind to come to grips with?"

Everybody in my class was really sort of put off that in the end I was arguing for the possibility of censoring the material and making certain BDSM play illegal because of what it did to both the law and the persons engaging in it.

And no, I don't think they're freaks, but I'm not sure that sort of stuff should be legal. That makes me an outsider, too, in terms of caring what consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home.

 

[rockaction]

Whatever the word is for that is the word I'm looking for. Bully? Jerk?

I think a bit beyond jerk and into big-time ******* territory.

 

[rockaction]

There's still 3 other more credible accusers against him.

Three women have previously accused Bauer of sexual assault. The first accusation was from a San Diego woman in 2021. ESPN's Alden Gonzalez reported the details.
"Bauer, 31, was accused of sexual assault by a San Diego woman who requested a restraining order and essentially alleged that he took consensual rough sex too far over the course of two encounters last April and May. An L.A. judge denied the woman a permanent restraining order in August, and the L.A. County District Attorney's Office declined to file criminal charges in February."
Bauer denied the allegations, stating the two had a "rough" consensual sexual encounter.

Two Ohio women also accused Bauer of sexual assault in separate incidents.
The first woman sought a restraining order in June 2020 against Bauer due to alleged repeated threats sent to her, per Gus Garcia-Roberts and Molly Hensley-Clancy of the Washington Post. She also accused Bauer of sexual assault when he was pitching for the Cincinnati Reds.
"An Ohio woman sought the order in June 2020 after repeated threats from the then-Cincinnati Reds pitcher, according to her lawyer and records separately obtained by The Post. Photographs independently obtained by The Post also show bruises on the woman's face and blood in her eyes, which her attorney said were caused by Bauer punching and choking her during sex without consent."

A Columbus woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault during a years-long relationship that reportedly occurred when he was with the Triple-A Columbus Clippers in 2013 and 2014.
That woman came forward to Garcia-Roberts in 2022 and claimed that Bauer used to choke her unconscious during sex. She also said that Bauer slapped her without consent and anally penetrated her after she lost consciousness. She also stated that she came forward after learning of Bauer's previous denials of assault.

Poor guy

Thanks for the posts, fellas. Puts it in perspective. I was shedding no tears regardless, but this makes it worse.

 

[PIK95]

Apparently, he plays through the safe word.

 

[massraider]

Thanks for the posts, fellas. Puts it in perspective. I was shedding no tears regardless, but this makes it worse

This might have absolutely nothing to do with anything but:

I was pretty young when I was already wary of women who were bad news. Whatever the definition, I had my guard up. Crazypants Radar was my un-PC name for it.

If a person actively seeks out people who are unstable or whatever, I am not surprised when it goes badly.

 

[Battersbox]

I shed no tears for him either, as Bauer is probably a jack-***.

But I'm always surprised by the double standard in these he-said, she-said situations.

When a woman is assaulted, we as society have been taught (rightly!) to ignore here past reputation and focus solely on the relevant events of the accusation, even if she's been known as an uber-promiscuous person in the past.

We don't extend this same set of rules to guys like Bauer. He's been known as a creeper-type who likes to have rough sex with likely many women, etc. We totally allow that to affect our judgement when accusations are thrown about. We shouldn't.

 

[gruecd]

Regardless of what you think of him, the chick making the false accusations should be sent to prison for twice as many years as he would've faced. False accusations like these do nothing for legitimate victims, and with regard to the accused, sadly an accusation is almost as bad as a conviction these days.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I shed no tears for him either, as Bauer is probably a jack-***.

But I'm always surprised by the double standard in these he-said, she-said situations.

When a woman is assaulted, we as society have been taught (rightly!) to ignore here past reputation and focus solely on the relevant events of the accusation, even if she's been known as an uber-promiscuous person in the past.

We don't extend this same set of rules to guys like Bauer. He's been known as a creeper-type who likes to have rough sex with likely many women, etc. We totally allow that to affect our judgement when accusations are thrown about. We shouldn't.

I don't really think there is a double standard as the behaviors are nowhere near the same.

Man has history of beating up women. Woman claims she beat him up and she didn't want it. We look at his history because the behaviors line up.

Man dates a lot of women and has a lot of sex. We don't use that against him when he is accused of raping a woman. In fact it is more often used in his favor where people say things like "he has no problem getting any"

Woman dates a lot of men and has a lot of sex. Women claims man raped her. Of course we don't take her history into consideration because doing so implies some women are just rapeworthy.

When we do take her history into consideration is when she does something like claim a man raped her two years later, but there are selfies of her with the same guy a week after the alleged incident on a fancy trip and she is professing her love of him.

 

[HellToupee]

I don't known if "incel" is the right choice of words for Bauer, but he is a strange dude with a track record of doxxing women through social media. Whatever the word is for that is the word I'm looking for. Bully? Jerk?

Incel is “involuntary celibate “. Despite being a world class AH he was wealthy and famous so he didn’t have to anguish over being celibate .I think he shtups is agent as well

 

[HellToupee]

His track record of being a lowlife & insufferable aren’t helping him if this is 100% true. Would be a hell of a way for karma to pay him back

 

[Spartans Rule]

MLB interviewed the two Ohio accusers before it suspended Bauer and IIRC one of them took part in his grievance hearing. It's not like the whole case rested on one set of false accusations.

Seems like he's trying to rally public opinion to his side for a possible MLB return, and it's working to some degree. But the more I read about his case and the other allegations, the worse he looks, and I'm sure all the teams that avoided him last year know a lot more than I do.

 

[Battersbox]

I shed no tears for him either, as Bauer is probably a jack-***.

But I'm always surprised by the double standard in these he-said, she-said situations.

When a woman is assaulted, we as society have been taught (rightly!) to ignore here past reputation and focus solely on the relevant events of the accusation, even if she's been known as an uber-promiscuous person in the past.

We don't extend this same set of rules to guys like Bauer. He's been known as a creeper-type who likes to have rough sex with likely many women, etc. We totally allow that to affect our judgement when accusations are thrown about. We shouldn't.

I don't really think there is a double standard as the behaviors are nowhere near the same.

Man has history of beating up women. Woman claims she beat him up and she didn't want it. We look at his history because the behaviors line up.

Man dates a lot of women and has a lot of sex. We don't use that against him when he is accused of raping a woman. In fact it is more often used in his favor where people say things like "he has no problem getting any"

Woman dates a lot of men and has a lot of sex. Women claims man raped her. Of course we don't take her history into consideration because doing so implies some women are just rapeworthy.

When we do take her history into consideration is when she does something like claim a man raped her two years later, but there are selfies of her with the same guy a week after the alleged incident on a fancy trip and she is professing her love of him.

I hear what you're saying. But there is absolutely a double standard. In this case, we are using rumors and unsubstantiated facts that he likes to have rough, physical sex with women in his past as enough to condemn him in this case for the same thing. ***Actually, we're using the fact that we've heard he likes rough, physical sex (which is legal) to condemn him for something which is illegal (rape, physical abuse without consent, whatever). To me that's the same thing as dismissing a woman's rape claims because we know she likes to bed a different man every night. We're inferring guilt based on past behavior which isn't the same as the behavior we're accusing him of now.

We don't allow men any longer to discount a woman's testimony by saying 'well, she had it comin, just look at how she's dressed...plus every other guy in this bar has banged her before...yada yada'

Why is it okay to condemn Bauer in the court of public opinion when a woman says he went over the line with rough sex just because other women have alleged the same during his past? I could see if any of those other allegations were proven true, but to my knowledge, they have not been.

My point being: there are plenty of posts within this thread that absolutely imply he is guilty in this case simply based on what they've heard about him in the past. I feel like that is as unwarranted as men dismissing a woman's claims she was raped just because she's been known to be uber-promiscuous in the past.

 

[Battersbox]

His track record of being a lowlife & insufferable aren’t helping him if this is 100% true. Would be a hell of a way for karma to pay him back

I understand, and I'm all for karma setting things right when it's warranted, but this is exactly what I'm talking about.

In this case, it certainly appears this woman was money hungry and out to get him. SHE appears to be the predator in this case. It illustrates perfectly why we can't condemn people just because we think they're scumbags in all respects.

 

[whoknew]

MLB interviewed the two Ohio accusers before it suspended Bauer and IIRC one of them took part in his grievance hearing. It's not like the whole case rested on one set of false accusations.

Seems like he's trying to rally public opinion to his side for a possible MLB return, and it's working to some degree. But the more I read about his case and the other allegations, the worse he looks, and I'm sure all the teams that avoided him last year know a lot more than I do.

I doubt he has any shot at returning to MLB. If he was beloved before this, he'd likely make it through. But since he seems to be universally hated, I doubt any MLB team is willing to take the PR hit.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

by all accounts, he's a pretty terrible person. we are seeing that this woman is a pretty terrible person. 2 wrongs and all that. i have zero sympathy for either.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

MLB interviewed the two Ohio accusers before it suspended Bauer and IIRC one of them took part in his grievance hearing. It's not like the whole case rested on one set of false accusations.

Seems like he's trying to rally public opinion to his side for a possible MLB return, and it's working to some degree. But the more I read about his case and the other allegations, the worse he looks, and I'm sure all the teams that avoided him last year know a lot more than I do.

I doubt he has any shot at returning to MLB. If he was beloved before this, he'd likely make it through. But since he seems to be universally hated, I doubt any MLB team is willing to take the PR hit.

I mean if a team thought he was the missing piece then I think they would have already signed him as from what I understand his MLB suspension is completely over. I get some owners have grown and are not the same as prior to the me too movement but I still think they would deal with the boo's and protests if it meant winning.

 

[Angry Beavers]

He is a big personality or a jerk? In any event, he was wronged here - clearly this was a setup and he was thinking with the wrong brain.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I shed no tears for him either, as Bauer is probably a jack-***.

But I'm always surprised by the double standard in these he-said, she-said situations.

When a woman is assaulted, we as society have been taught (rightly!) to ignore here past reputation and focus solely on the relevant events of the accusation, even if she's been known as an uber-promiscuous person in the past.

We don't extend this same set of rules to guys like Bauer. He's been known as a creeper-type who likes to have rough sex with likely many women, etc. We totally allow that to affect our judgement when accusations are thrown about. We shouldn't.

I disagree with this 100%. We should obviously take people's past behavior into account in situations like this. Courts shouldn't, but the rest of us should.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I shed no tears for him either, as Bauer is probably a jack-***.

But I'm always surprised by the double standard in these he-said, she-said situations.

When a woman is assaulted, we as society have been taught (rightly!) to ignore here past reputation and focus solely on the relevant events of the accusation, even if she's been known as an uber-promiscuous person in the past.

We don't extend this same set of rules to guys like Bauer. He's been known as a creeper-type who likes to have rough sex with likely many women, etc. We totally allow that to affect our judgement when accusations are thrown about. We shouldn't.

I don't really think there is a double standard as the behaviors are nowhere near the same.

Man has history of beating up women. Woman claims she beat him up and she didn't want it. We look at his history because the behaviors line up.

Man dates a lot of women and has a lot of sex. We don't use that against him when he is accused of raping a woman. In fact it is more often used in his favor where people say things like "he has no problem getting any"

Woman dates a lot of men and has a lot of sex. Women claims man raped her. Of course we don't take her history into consideration because doing so implies some women are just rapeworthy.

When we do take her history into consideration is when she does something like claim a man raped her two years later, but there are selfies of her with the same guy a week after the alleged incident on a fancy trip and she is professing her love of him.

I hear what you're saying. But there is absolutely a double standard. In this case, we are using rumors and unsubstantiated facts that he likes to have rough, physical sex with women in his past as enough to condemn him in this case for the same thing. ***Actually, we're using the fact that we've heard he likes rough, physical sex (which is legal) to condemn him for something which is illegal (rape, physical abuse without consent, whatever). To me that's the same thing as dismissing a woman's rape claims because we know she likes to bed a different man every night. We're inferring guilt based on past behavior which isn't the same as the behavior we're accusing him of now.

We don't allow men any longer to discount a woman's testimony by saying 'well, she had it comin, just look at how she's dressed...plus every other guy in this bar has banged her before...yada yada'

Why is it okay to condemn Bauer in the court of public opinion when a woman says he went over the line with rough sex just because other women have alleged the same during his past? I could see if any of those other allegations were proven true, but to my knowledge, they have not been.

My point being: there are plenty of posts within this thread that absolutely imply he is guilty in this case simply based on what they've heard about him in the past. I feel like that is as unwarranted as men dismissing a woman's claims she was raped just because she's been known to be uber-promiscuous in the past.

If a guy is accused by multiple women of taking rough sex too far, your prior should be that they're probably telling the truth. Anybody could the victim of a false accusation, but it's pretty rare and very unlucky to get a bunch of them. Bayesian updating.

Edit: I get that false accusations are more common when there is gold to be dug. Just commenting on the general idea that we should ignore what we already know about a person when informally deciding who to believe. Of course we shouldn't do that.

 

[Spartans Rule]

I don't known if "incel" is the right choice of words for Bauer, but he is a strange dude with a track record of doxxing women through social media. Whatever the word is for that is the word I'm looking for. Bully? Jerk?

I don't know the right word either, but he definitely comes from the "manosphere" subculture of over-the-top misogynistic dudes.

One of his accusers claimed he left her tickets for his games under the name "Dog on Leash". Obviously that's not illegal, but WTF?

 

[Battersbox]

I shed no tears for him either, as Bauer is probably a jack-***.

But I'm always surprised by the double standard in these he-said, she-said situations.

When a woman is assaulted, we as society have been taught (rightly!) to ignore here past reputation and focus solely on the relevant events of the accusation, even if she's been known as an uber-promiscuous person in the past.

We don't extend this same set of rules to guys like Bauer. He's been known as a creeper-type who likes to have rough sex with likely many women, etc. We totally allow that to affect our judgement when accusations are thrown about. We shouldn't.

I don't really think there is a double standard as the behaviors are nowhere near the same.

Man has history of beating up women. Woman claims she beat him up and she didn't want it. We look at his history because the behaviors line up.

Man dates a lot of women and has a lot of sex. We don't use that against him when he is accused of raping a woman. In fact it is more often used in his favor where people say things like "he has no problem getting any"

Woman dates a lot of men and has a lot of sex. Women claims man raped her. Of course we don't take her history into consideration because doing so implies some women are just rapeworthy.

When we do take her history into consideration is when she does something like claim a man raped her two years later, but there are selfies of her with the same guy a week after the alleged incident on a fancy trip and she is professing her love of him.

I hear what you're saying. But there is absolutely a double standard. In this case, we are using rumors and unsubstantiated facts that he likes to have rough, physical sex with women in his past as enough to condemn him in this case for the same thing. ***Actually, we're using the fact that we've heard he likes rough, physical sex (which is legal) to condemn him for something which is illegal (rape, physical abuse without consent, whatever). To me that's the same thing as dismissing a woman's rape claims because we know she likes to bed a different man every night. We're inferring guilt based on past behavior which isn't the same as the behavior we're accusing him of now.

We don't allow men any longer to discount a woman's testimony by saying 'well, she had it comin, just look at how she's dressed...plus every other guy in this bar has banged her before...yada yada'

Why is it okay to condemn Bauer in the court of public opinion when a woman says he went over the line with rough sex just because other women have alleged the same during his past? I could see if any of those other allegations were proven true, but to my knowledge, they have not been.

My point being: there are plenty of posts within this thread that absolutely imply he is guilty in this case simply based on what they've heard about him in the past. I feel like that is as unwarranted as men dismissing a woman's claims she was raped just because she's been known to be uber-promiscuous in the past.

If a guy is accused by multiple women of taking rough sex too far, your prior should be that they're probably telling the truth. Anybody could the victim of a false accusation, but it's pretty rare and very unlucky to get a bunch of them. Bayesian updating.

Edit: I get that false accusations are more common when there is gold to be dug. Just commenting on the general idea that we should ignore what we already know about a person when informally deciding who to believe. Of course we shouldn't do that.

The gold digging possibility changes the math on this for me. The fact that it appears he was innocent of her accusations demonstrates how we need to be more rigorous in suspending judgement, not less.

I agree that multiple accusations suggest legitimacy in the claims, provided they are truly independent and not cases of other potential gold diggers smelling blood in the water. I haven't followed his story very closely.

I just think the creepiness of dudes who like legal, rough sex with CONSENTING women shouldn't be held against them, but it often is. If the accusations of other women are that he broke the law, that obviously would change my opinion, though ultimately I think some measure of proof needs to be evident.

 

[Battersbox]

I shed no tears for him either, as Bauer is probably a jack-***.

But I'm always surprised by the double standard in these he-said, she-said situations.

When a woman is assaulted, we as society have been taught (rightly!) to ignore here past reputation and focus solely on the relevant events of the accusation, even if she's been known as an uber-promiscuous person in the past.

We don't extend this same set of rules to guys like Bauer. He's been known as a creeper-type who likes to have rough sex with likely many women, etc. We totally allow that to affect our judgement when accusations are thrown about. We shouldn't.

I disagree with this 100%. We should obviously take people's past behavior into account in situations like this. Courts shouldn't, but the rest of us should.

The bolded is at the core of what I'm talking about. Why should we take past behavior into account if courts do not? Not saying I disagree, but I'd like to know why?

 

[Caveman33]

There's still 3 other more credible accusers against him.

Three women have previously accused Bauer of sexual assault. The first accusation was from a San Diego woman in 2021. ESPN's Alden Gonzalez reported the details.
"Bauer, 31, was accused of sexual assault by a San Diego woman who requested a restraining order and essentially alleged that he took consensual rough sex too far over the course of two encounters last April and May. An L.A. judge denied the woman a permanent restraining order in August, and the L.A. County District Attorney's Office declined to file criminal charges in February."
Bauer denied the allegations, stating the two had a "rough" consensual sexual encounter.

Two Ohio women also accused Bauer of sexual assault in separate incidents.
The first woman sought a restraining order in June 2020 against Bauer due to alleged repeated threats sent to her, per Gus Garcia-Roberts and Molly Hensley-Clancy of the Washington Post. She also accused Bauer of sexual assault when he was pitching for the Cincinnati Reds.
"An Ohio woman sought the order in June 2020 after repeated threats from the then-Cincinnati Reds pitcher, according to her lawyer and records separately obtained by The Post. Photographs independently obtained by The Post also show bruises on the woman's face and blood in her eyes, which her attorney said were caused by Bauer punching and choking her during sex without consent."

A Columbus woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault during a years-long relationship that reportedly occurred when he was with the Triple-A Columbus Clippers in 2013 and 2014.
That woman came forward to Garcia-Roberts in 2022 and claimed that Bauer used to choke her unconscious during sex. She also said that Bauer slapped her without consent and anally penetrated her after she lost consciousness. She also stated that she came forward after learning of Bauer's previous denials of assault.

Poor guy

Do you accept all accusations as factual or do you read more before forming an opinion? Here is a little more about these 'credible' accusers.

Arizona woman:

In his countersuit, Bauer said he had one consensual sexual encounter with the woman in 2020. He said the woman later said she was pregnant and demanded $1.6 million to end the pregnancy.
Bauer said he refused to pay that amount, but told the woman he would support her decision concerning the pregnancy and pay any medical costs, as well as child support. His said in his lawsuit that he ultimately paid $8,761 for the expenses related to the woman’s reported pregnancy and its subsequent termination.

The woman said in an updated complaint filed Tuesday that she ultimately decided not to terminate the pregnancy, but had a miscarriage.

Columbus woman:

Consensual sexual relationship from 2013-2018...She is the one who introduced Trevor to choking. Since their relationship ended in 2019, she has sent him 139 sex photos and videos. He has not responded to any of these messages.

Ohio woman:

Bauer's lawyer and agent, Jon Fetterolf, and agent Rachel Luba released a statement saying that Bauer and the woman were in a consensual relationship from 2016 to 2019, and that she had filed a "bogus protection petition" while "demanding $3.4 million for her to `remain silent."'

San Diego:

This one has been thoroughly covered. She went to his house to "secure the bag."

 

[massraider]

Do you accept all accusations as factual or do you read more before forming an opinion? Here is a little more about these 'credible' accusers.

It appears this 'little more' information you helpfully provided are statements from Trevor, regarding the 'credible' witnesses.

Why are his statements true, but theirs are not?

 

[Zow]

There's still 3 other more credible accusers against him.

Three women have previously accused Bauer of sexual assault. The first accusation was from a San Diego woman in 2021. ESPN's Alden Gonzalez reported the details.
"Bauer, 31, was accused of sexual assault by a San Diego woman who requested a restraining order and essentially alleged that he took consensual rough sex too far over the course of two encounters last April and May. An L.A. judge denied the woman a permanent restraining order in August, and the L.A. County District Attorney's Office declined to file criminal charges in February."
Bauer denied the allegations, stating the two had a "rough" consensual sexual encounter.

Two Ohio women also accused Bauer of sexual assault in separate incidents.
The first woman sought a restraining order in June 2020 against Bauer due to alleged repeated threats sent to her, per Gus Garcia-Roberts and Molly Hensley-Clancy of the Washington Post. She also accused Bauer of sexual assault when he was pitching for the Cincinnati Reds.
"An Ohio woman sought the order in June 2020 after repeated threats from the then-Cincinnati Reds pitcher, according to her lawyer and records separately obtained by The Post. Photographs independently obtained by The Post also show bruises on the woman's face and blood in her eyes, which her attorney said were caused by Bauer punching and choking her during sex without consent."

A Columbus woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault during a years-long relationship that reportedly occurred when he was with the Triple-A Columbus Clippers in 2013 and 2014.
That woman came forward to Garcia-Roberts in 2022 and claimed that Bauer used to choke her unconscious during sex. She also said that Bauer slapped her without consent and anally penetrated her after she lost consciousness. She also stated that she came forward after learning of Bauer's previous denials of assault.

Poor guy

Do you accept all accusations as factual or do you read more before forming an opinion? Here is a little more about these 'credible' accusers.

Arizona woman:

In his countersuit, Bauer said he had one consensual sexual encounter with the woman in 2020. He said the woman later said she was pregnant and demanded $1.6 million to end the pregnancy.
Bauer said he refused to pay that amount, but told the woman he would support her decision concerning the pregnancy and pay any medical costs, as well as child support. His said in his lawsuit that he ultimately paid $8,761 for the expenses related to the woman’s reported pregnancy and its subsequent termination.

The woman said in an updated complaint filed Tuesday that she ultimately decided not to terminate the pregnancy, but had a miscarriage.

Columbus woman:

Consensual sexual relationship from 2013-2018...She is the one who introduced Trevor to choking. Since their relationship ended in 2019, she has sent him 139 sex photos and videos. He has not responded to any of these messages.

Ohio woman:

Bauer's lawyer and agent, Jon Fetterolf, and agent Rachel Luba released a statement saying that Bauer and the woman were in a consensual relationship from 2016 to 2019, and that she had filed a "bogus protection petition" while "demanding $3.4 million for her to `remain silent."'

San Diego:

This one has been thoroughly covered. She went to his house to "secure the bag."

How’s your jury duty availability?

 

[Caveman33]

Do you accept all accusations as factual or do you read more before forming an opinion? Here is a little more about these 'credible' accusers.

It appears this 'little more' information you helpfully provided are statements from Trevor, regarding the 'credible' witnesses.

Why are his statements true, but theirs are not?

His statements aren't necessarily true. I like to read both sides of a story before forming an opinion. You only read one?

A critic might place some weight on Trevor's statements since there is something to back them: money. If he lied about the 139 sexual message sent by the Ohio woman after the end of their relationship, she could easily prove this and claim some of his money. All 4 of these stories came to light because the accusers wanted money from him.

 

[Caveman33]

There's still 3 other more credible accusers against him.

Three women have previously accused Bauer of sexual assault. The first accusation was from a San Diego woman in 2021. ESPN's Alden Gonzalez reported the details.
"Bauer, 31, was accused of sexual assault by a San Diego woman who requested a restraining order and essentially alleged that he took consensual rough sex too far over the course of two encounters last April and May. An L.A. judge denied the woman a permanent restraining order in August, and the L.A. County District Attorney's Office declined to file criminal charges in February."
Bauer denied the allegations, stating the two had a "rough" consensual sexual encounter.

Two Ohio women also accused Bauer of sexual assault in separate incidents.
The first woman sought a restraining order in June 2020 against Bauer due to alleged repeated threats sent to her, per Gus Garcia-Roberts and Molly Hensley-Clancy of the Washington Post. She also accused Bauer of sexual assault when he was pitching for the Cincinnati Reds.
"An Ohio woman sought the order in June 2020 after repeated threats from the then-Cincinnati Reds pitcher, according to her lawyer and records separately obtained by The Post. Photographs independently obtained by The Post also show bruises on the woman's face and blood in her eyes, which her attorney said were caused by Bauer punching and choking her during sex without consent."

A Columbus woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault during a years-long relationship that reportedly occurred when he was with the Triple-A Columbus Clippers in 2013 and 2014.
That woman came forward to Garcia-Roberts in 2022 and claimed that Bauer used to choke her unconscious during sex. She also said that Bauer slapped her without consent and anally penetrated her after she lost consciousness. She also stated that she came forward after learning of Bauer's previous denials of assault.

Poor guy

Do you accept all accusations as factual or do you read more before forming an opinion? Here is a little more about these 'credible' accusers.

Arizona woman:

In his countersuit, Bauer said he had one consensual sexual encounter with the woman in 2020. He said the woman later said she was pregnant and demanded $1.6 million to end the pregnancy.
Bauer said he refused to pay that amount, but told the woman he would support her decision concerning the pregnancy and pay any medical costs, as well as child support. His said in his lawsuit that he ultimately paid $8,761 for the expenses related to the woman’s reported pregnancy and its subsequent termination.

The woman said in an updated complaint filed Tuesday that she ultimately decided not to terminate the pregnancy, but had a miscarriage.

Columbus woman:

Consensual sexual relationship from 2013-2018...She is the one who introduced Trevor to choking. Since their relationship ended in 2019, she has sent him 139 sex photos and videos. He has not responded to any of these messages.

Ohio woman:

Bauer's lawyer and agent, Jon Fetterolf, and agent Rachel Luba released a statement saying that Bauer and the woman were in a consensual relationship from 2016 to 2019, and that she had filed a "bogus protection petition" while "demanding $3.4 million for her to `remain silent."'

San Diego:

This one has been thoroughly covered. She went to his house to "secure the bag."

How’s your jury duty availability?

I never attend. I send a letter explaining that I'm a supervised adult and the court wishes me well.

 

[massraider]

A critic might place some weight on Trevor's statements since there is something to back them: money. If he lied about the 139 sexual message sent by the Ohio woman after the end of their relationship, she could easily prove this and claim some of his money. All 4 of these stories came to light because the accusers wanted money from him

Another critic might place some weight on three people accusing the same guy of the same thing.

There are lots of people with money. Almost all of them aren't accused of choking women unconscious.

I have no idea what's true and not. But you sure do, don't you?

'Credible'

 

[Caveman33]

A critic might place some weight on Trevor's statements since there is something to back them: money. If he lied about the 139 sexual message sent by the Ohio woman after the end of their relationship, she could easily prove this and claim some of his money. All 4 of these stories came to light because the accusers wanted money from him

Another critic might place some weight on three people accusing the same guy of the same thing.

There are lots of people with money. Almost all of them aren't accused of choking women unconscious.

I have no idea what's true and not. But you sure do, don't you?

'Credible'

I have formed a personal idea of what's true. After reading about the case last year, which involved reading most the accounts that were available from all parties. I responded to your post because it looked like something that resulted from searching for and then copy/pasting accusations toward Trevor. No digestion or comprehension. So I added his side of the story to allow unbiased readers to make more informed opinions.

 

[Northern Voice]

A critic might place some weight on Trevor's statements since there is something to back them: money. If he lied about the 139 sexual message sent by the Ohio woman after the end of their relationship, she could easily prove this and claim some of his money. All 4 of these stories came to light because the accusers wanted money from him

Another critic might place some weight on three people accusing the same guy of the same thing.

There are lots of people with money. Almost all of them aren't accused of choking women unconscious.

I have no idea what's true and not. But you sure do, don't you?

'Credible'

I have formed a personal idea of what's true. After reading about the case last year, which involved reading most the accounts that were available from all parties. I responded to your post because it looked like something that resulted from searching for and then copy/pasting accusations toward Trevor. No digestion or comprehension. So I added his side of the story to allow unbiased readers to make more informed opinions.

It doesn't take much digestion or comprehension to figure out that Bauer loves to beat the **** out of women. All that is in question is the degree to which they consented to it. In any event, someone who does that is not someone I feel bad for in any scenario. The guy is f'd up.

 

[General Malaise]

There's still 3 other more credible accusers against him.

Three women have previously accused Bauer of sexual assault. The first accusation was from a San Diego woman in 2021. ESPN's Alden Gonzalez reported the details.
"Bauer, 31, was accused of sexual assault by a San Diego woman who requested a restraining order and essentially alleged that he took consensual rough sex too far over the course of two encounters last April and May. An L.A. judge denied the woman a permanent restraining order in August, and the L.A. County District Attorney's Office declined to file criminal charges in February."
Bauer denied the allegations, stating the two had a "rough" consensual sexual encounter.

Two Ohio women also accused Bauer of sexual assault in separate incidents.
The first woman sought a restraining order in June 2020 against Bauer due to alleged repeated threats sent to her, per Gus Garcia-Roberts and Molly Hensley-Clancy of the Washington Post. She also accused Bauer of sexual assault when he was pitching for the Cincinnati Reds.
"An Ohio woman sought the order in June 2020 after repeated threats from the then-Cincinnati Reds pitcher, according to her lawyer and records separately obtained by The Post. Photographs independently obtained by The Post also show bruises on the woman's face and blood in her eyes, which her attorney said were caused by Bauer punching and choking her during sex without consent."

A Columbus woman also accused Bauer of sexual assault during a years-long relationship that reportedly occurred when he was with the Triple-A Columbus Clippers in 2013 and 2014.
That woman came forward to Garcia-Roberts in 2022 and claimed that Bauer used to choke her unconscious during sex. She also said that Bauer slapped her without consent and anally penetrated her after she lost consciousness. She also stated that she came forward after learning of Bauer's previous denials of assault.

Poor guy

Do you accept all accusations as factual or do you read more before forming an opinion? Here is a little more about these 'credible' accusers.

Arizona woman:

In his countersuit, Bauer said he had one consensual sexual encounter with the woman in 2020. He said the woman later said she was pregnant and demanded $1.6 million to end the pregnancy.
Bauer said he refused to pay that amount, but told the woman he would support her decision concerning the pregnancy and pay any medical costs, as well as child support. His said in his lawsuit that he ultimately paid $8,761 for the expenses related to the woman’s reported pregnancy and its subsequent termination.

The woman said in an updated complaint filed Tuesday that she ultimately decided not to terminate the pregnancy, but had a miscarriage.

Columbus woman:

Consensual sexual relationship from 2013-2018...She is the one who introduced Trevor to choking. Since their relationship ended in 2019, she has sent him 139 sex photos and videos. He has not responded to any of these messages.

Ohio woman:

Bauer's lawyer and agent, Jon Fetterolf, and agent Rachel Luba released a statement saying that Bauer and the woman were in a consensual relationship from 2016 to 2019, and that she had filed a "bogus protection petition" while "demanding $3.4 million for her to `remain silent."'

San Diego:

This one has been thoroughly covered. She went to his house to "secure the bag."

How’s your jury duty availability?

This is a great bit, Zow.

 

[rockaction]

It doesn't take much digestion or comprehension to figure out that Bauer loves to beat the **** out of women. All that is in question is the degree to which they consented to it. In any event, someone who does that is not someone I feel bad for in any scenario. The guy is f'd up.

I think by now most people wouldn't accuse me of virtue signaling or rushing to judgment about things like this. That said, this guy makes my stomach turn in a pretty unique way. I do not get his raison d'être with women. I just . . . life and modernity must have passed me by. Unless this is an age-old thing unchecked, which one could argue.

But this guy is no bueno as far as I'm concerned and I personally don't need to see him on the hill any time soon.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I don't think the creepiness of dudes who like legal, rough sex with CONSENTING women shouldn't be held against them, but it often is.

Of course we should hold it against them. Not for legal innocence/guilty determinations, but certainly in the court of public opinion.

Creeps should be treated like creeps.