Triple Crown Winner California Chrome (1 Viewer)

[Dan Lambskin]

Yeah pretty much what Judge said...you have a big time investment to properly cap a race and then you're getting raped by the track on takeout % and again by Uncle Sam if you win big which turns a lot of people off

 

[Nipsey]

Look, you CAN make money here. Few things:

1) Dentist - 10 horses is A LOT for a horse race. It's not 'lame'. Spend a day at your local track and tell me how many of those races featured 10 or more horses. The Kentucky Derby is an anomaly in horse racing. It's also very risky for the horses and the jockeys. Owners and trainers don't want their high priced investments at risk, but the Derby is the Derby.

I don't have a local track unfortunately.. I used to. Not anymore.

Sounds like the Kentucky derby allows too many horses.

this could all be corrected if it wasn't the only horse race that average guy thinks about. They can fix this through better marketing and by instituting some of my ideas.

I think it does just fine, buddy.

Tell that to Hollywood Park.

 

[Nipsey]

Look, you CAN make money here. Few things:

1) Dentist - 10 horses is A LOT for a horse race. It's not 'lame'. Spend a day at your local track and tell me how many of those races featured 10 or more horses. The Kentucky Derby is an anomaly in horse racing. It's also very risky for the horses and the jockeys. Owners and trainers don't want their high priced investments at risk, but the Derby is the Derby.

I don't have a local track unfortunately.. I used to. Not anymore.

Sounds like the Kentucky derby allows too many horses.

this could all be corrected if it wasn't the only horse race that average guy thinks about. They can fix this through better marketing and by instituting some of my ideas.

I think it does just fine, buddy.

maybe... i want horse racing to have mass appeal because i think it is pretty cool... and it doesn't.

I'm a slightly above average fan and just sharing some of the things I wish I could see in racing.

It would be interesting to poll the average person and see what it would take for them to be a fan.. maybe the answer is nothing would work.. it's just a niche sport no matter how you slice it.

But with almost every sport I watch I just see things and like to analyze ways the sport could be better, more interesting, more popular.. more fair and balanced.. less luck based..

Horse racing is a sport that seems ripe for an opportunity to modernize itself and be more widely appreciated. Tennis could use some changes as well... Baseball needs to be faster.. football needs to be faster.. soccer needs more goals via a larger goal (and thus less ties).

So I'm interested to see what true horse guys like you think would help popularize things beyond just "kentucky derby" (which after reading your analysis seems like a poorly designed race anyway... and i agrree)

The problems are vast......

1) When I was a kid, going to the track was an event. You'd have 30K people at Santa Anita, and families would be picnicking in the infield, etc. Younger people got introduced to racing through their family and friends.

2) Now unless it's a premium, short meet (Del Mar, Saratoga, maybe Keeneland fall meet) you'd be hard pressed to see 5K people in on track attendance. Hard core gamblers can just bet online, and if they wager multiple tracks it's easier.

3) Most people during days. So weekday racing is getting killed. Most tracks that used to race 5 days a week have already gone to Thursday/Sunday schedules. It's just dead.

4) The racing business is trying. Most tracks are trying to draw younger people in. Hollywood Park did Friday night racing starting at 4pm followed by a concert. Many are doing that now. It helps. Fridays at Del Mar are freakin' awesome. Other tracks will do $1 beers, hot dogs, etc. They'll do family fun days in the infield, with air bounces. Beer gardens. Food trucks. They are trying a lot of different ideas, but.....

5) It's a dying sport. They removed the tax advantages of owning horses. Can't write off the losses like you used to. That started it. Less owners meant less horses. 10-12 horse fields turned into 5 horse fields. Most larger fields are just maidens (never won a race) so you can really throw out half those horses too. Tracks have increased the take out, making betting on horses an even tougher proposition than it is. Many tracks have closed down all together (Hollywood Park, Bay Meadows, etc) or are hanging on by a thread by combining with slots/casinos. Frankly I don't know it can be fixed. If it were me I'd go to 3 day a week racing, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Bigger fields. Entertainment. Make it an event again.

Hollywood Park was 7pm first post on Fridays. Can't believe it's been 7 years since this happened. http://youtu.be/9YFQtgph-NY?t=3m14s

Two weeks ago Friday would have been the first Friday night of the season. Can't believe they couldn't figure out how to save that place. Sitting up in a box in the grandstand with a cold beer on a perfect Friday night at about 6:30 was pretty much heaven for me. One friday night saw Pat Morita sing the national anthem before the races and then hold the crane kick pose for a good 30 seconds while the dozens of us in the stands that arrived early enough to hear the anthem went berserk. It really hasn't hit me completely yet that I'll never have another Friday night there again. They did get rid of night racing last year so we kind of got eased into it a little I guess. Santa Anita has 3PM friday's but it's not the same. Freakin hike to and from with traffic too. Greed always wins.

 

[General Malaise]

Look, you CAN make money here. Few things:

1) Dentist - 10 horses is A LOT for a horse race. It's not 'lame'. Spend a day at your local track and tell me how many of those races featured 10 or more horses. The Kentucky Derby is an anomaly in horse racing. It's also very risky for the horses and the jockeys. Owners and trainers don't want their high priced investments at risk, but the Derby is the Derby.

I don't have a local track unfortunately.. I used to. Not anymore.

Sounds like the Kentucky derby allows too many horses.

this could all be corrected if it wasn't the only horse race that average guy thinks about. They can fix this through better marketing and by instituting some of my ideas.

I think it does just fine, buddy.

maybe... i want horse racing to have mass appeal because i think it is pretty cool... and it doesn't.

I'm a slightly above average fan and just sharing some of the things I wish I could see in racing.

It would be interesting to poll the average person and see what it would take for them to be a fan.. maybe the answer is nothing would work.. it's just a niche sport no matter how you slice it.

But with almost every sport I watch I just see things and like to analyze ways the sport could be better, more interesting, more popular.. more fair and balanced.. less luck based..

Horse racing is a sport that seems ripe for an opportunity to modernize itself and be more widely appreciated. Tennis could use some changes as well... Baseball needs to be faster.. football needs to be faster.. soccer needs more goals via a larger goal (and thus less ties).

So I'm interested to see what true horse guys like you think would help popularize things beyond just "kentucky derby" (which after reading your analysis seems like a poorly designed race anyway... and i agrree)

The problems are vast......

1) When I was a kid, going to the track was an event. You'd have 30K people at Santa Anita, and families would be picnicking in the infield, etc. Younger people got introduced to racing through their family and friends.

2) Now unless it's a premium, short meet (Del Mar, Saratoga, maybe Keeneland fall meet) you'd be hard pressed to see 5K people in on track attendance. Hard core gamblers can just bet online, and if they wager multiple tracks it's easier.

3) Most people during days. So weekday racing is getting killed. Most tracks that used to race 5 days a week have already gone to Thursday/Sunday schedules. It's just dead.

4) The racing business is trying. Most tracks are trying to draw younger people in. Hollywood Park did Friday night racing starting at 4pm followed by a concert. Many are doing that now. It helps. Fridays at Del Mar are freakin' awesome. Other tracks will do $1 beers, hot dogs, etc. They'll do family fun days in the infield, with air bounces. Beer gardens. Food trucks. They are trying a lot of different ideas, but.....

5) It's a dying sport. They removed the tax advantages of owning horses. Can't write off the losses like you used to. That started it. Less owners meant less horses. 10-12 horse fields turned into 5 horse fields. Most larger fields are just maidens (never won a race) so you can really throw out half those horses too. Tracks have increased the take out, making betting on horses an even tougher proposition than it is. Many tracks have closed down all together (Hollywood Park, Bay Meadows, etc) or are hanging on by a thread by combining with slots/casinos. Frankly I don't know it can be fixed. If it were me I'd go to 3 day a week racing, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Bigger fields. Entertainment. Make it an event again.

Hollywood Park was 7pm first post on Fridays. Can't believe it's been 7 years since this happened. http://youtu.be/9YFQtgph-NY?t=3m14s

Two weeks ago Friday would have been the first Friday night of the season. Can't believe they couldn't figure out how to save that place. Sitting up in a box in the grandstand with a cold beer on a perfect Friday night at about 6:30 was pretty much heaven for me. One friday night saw Pat Morita sing the national anthem before the races and then hold the crane kick pose for a good 30 seconds while the dozens of us in the stands that arrived early enough to hear the anthem went berserk. It really hasn't hit me completely yet that I'll never have another Friday night there again. They did get rid of night racing last year so we kind of got eased into it a little I guess. Santa Anita has 3PM friday's but it's not the same. Freakin hike to and from with traffic too. Greed always wins.

I can't believe I've never seen/heard that before. Wow.

 

[Nipsey]

We used to sit at HP and debate how to save the sport. It boggles my mind they couldn't figure out how to pack that place during the 3 months or so they raced there each year. TVG + the recession was the deathblow. The old timers could just sit on their couch and bet there and they never could figure out how to draw a younger crowd. Some of the concerts drew well but for the most part in it never really resulted in better attendance for the races.

Too late for HP now but the first thing they needed to do was get rid of the entrance fee. Cheap booze, great food and a fun atmosphere with live music. Make the place a party. They never could grasp that. Instead they gauged for as much money as they could. $10 to get in, another $10 for a box, $8 for a bud draft and even more for crappy food. Couple that with the recession and you have a mostly empty track. Anything the track did make never found it's way into track improvements. The place was so run down by the end. Nothing had been upgraded in 40 years with the exception of some room in the back built by Betfair that nobody went to. Even in crappy Inglewood that place was bustling just 8-10 years ago. Churchill Downs deserves a lot of the blame as does the indian casino lobby

 

[Nipsey]

The industry is unbending too. Night racing was pulling teeth to get the horse people to go for. They do their work at the crack of dawn. They all hated those night posts. Who's going to the track in 2014 at 1PM on a weekday? Del Mar will always be fine though. There's one place that gets it. Be great if they built a bullet train from my door to that place.

 

[Nipsey]

So lame that the preakness drops down to 10 horses, that the interest drops 80% from the Kentucky Derby to the second leg, and that if Cali Chrome wins that there is a good chance he'll pull a "i'll have another" and just pull out of the belmont because he's already generated insane stud fees.

I'll have another had a legit injury. No way they pull CC out of the Belmont if he's healthy with a shot at the TC.

 

[Timmay]

Preakness odds after post draw.

Post position, Horse (weight)*jockey/trainer*last start odds

1 -Dynamic Impact (126)*Mena/Casse*1st Illinois Derby 12-1

2-General a Rod (126)*Castellano/Maker*11th Kentucky Derby 15-1

3 -California Chrome (126)*Espinoza/Sherman*1st Kentucky Derby 3-5

4-Ring Weekend (126)*A. Garcia/Motion*2nd Calder Derby 20-1

5-Bayern (126)*Napravnik/Baffert*2nd Derby Trial (DQ from 1st) 10-1

6-f-Ria Antonia (123)*Borel/Amoss*6th Kentucky Oaks 30-1

7-Kid Cruz (126)*Pimentel/Rice*1st Federico Tesio 20-1

8-Social Inclusion (126)*Contreras/Azpurua*3rd Wood Memorial 5-1

9-Pablo Del Monte (126)*Sanchez/Ward*3rd Blue Grass 20-1

10-Ride On Curlin (126)*Rosario/Gowan*7th Kentucky Derby 10-1

 

[Timmay]

We used to sit at HP and debate how to save the sport. It boggles my mind they couldn't figure out how to pack that place during the 3 months or so they raced there each year. TVG + the recession was the deathblow. The old timers could just sit on their couch and bet there and they never could figure out how to draw a younger crowd. Some of the concerts drew well but for the most part in it never really resulted in better attendance for the races.

Too late for HP now but the first thing they needed to do was get rid of the entrance fee. Cheap booze, great food and a fun atmosphere with live music. Make the place a party. They never could grasp that. Instead they gauged for as much money as they could. $10 to get in, another $10 for a box, $8 for a bud draft and even more for crappy food. Couple that with the recession and you have a mostly empty track. Anything the track did make never found it's way into track improvements. The place was so run down by the end. Nothing had been upgraded in 40 years with the exception of some room in the back built by Betfair that nobody went to. Even in crappy Inglewood that place was bustling just 8-10 years ago. Churchill Downs deserves a lot of the blame as does the indian casino lobby

Interesting stuff Nipsey.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

http://www.brisnet.com/php/bw_pdf_viewer.php?track=PIM&race=12&param1=4380&param2=1241&param3=1933440

you guys gots a little over 50 hours to figure it all out

 

[Dan Lambskin]

On a family vacation so likely won't be able to cap it...hopefully be able to watch just for fun though

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Just a note, the #7 was claimed by Linda Rice for 50K last November and is now entered for a 1.5 million dollar race.

#7 is also the only one to win as many as 3 races outside of Chrome, who has now won 7 times.

 

[Timmay]

As of right now, this is what im leaning towards, going to place my bets at the track tomorrow on the way home from work so things might change.

Ex-wheel: 3 with 1, 2, 7

Tri-wheel: 3 with 1, 2, 5, 7 with 1, 2, 5, 7, 10

 

[southeastjerome]

Jennie Rees ‏@CJ_Jennie 2h

Art Sherman, learning NY doesn't let horses run in nasal strips, raises specter that owners might consider not running Chrome in Belmont

from Baltimore, MD

Jennie Rees ‏@CJ_Jennie 2h Art Sherman isn't saying owners will scratch #CaliforniaChrome if not allowed nasal strip in Belmont but says they won't be happy & might

 

[Ray Karpis]

Just what horse racing needs...a possible TC winner derailed by a nasal strip.

It sounds like the trainer just speaking out of turn with speculation. The owners have not weighed in.

Second, if you have a TC horse and plan to make a run, how do you not already know the Belmont doesn't allow it? You would think that would be on someone's radar a little earlier than now.

 

[Mr. Pickles]

I'm no horse jockey, but do we really see California Chrome winning the Belmont regardless? Seems 1 1/2 is pushing it. He's nearly been swallowed up both times.

 

[DrJ]

I prefer hamster racing.

 

[DrJ]

Look, you CAN make money here. Few things:

1) Dentist - 10 horses is A LOT for a horse race. It's not 'lame'. Spend a day at your local track and tell me how many of those races featured 10 or more horses. The Kentucky Derby is an anomaly in horse racing. It's also very risky for the horses and the jockeys. Owners and trainers don't want their high priced investments at risk, but the Derby is the Derby.

I don't have a local track unfortunately.. I used to. Not anymore.

Sounds like the Kentucky derby allows too many horses.

this could all be corrected if it wasn't the only horse race that average guy thinks about. They can fix this through better marketing and by instituting some of my ideas.

I think it does just fine, buddy.

maybe... i want horse racing to have mass appeal because i think it is pretty cool... and it doesn't.

I'm a slightly above average fan and just sharing some of the things I wish I could see in racing.

It would be interesting to poll the average person and see what it would take for them to be a fan.. maybe the answer is nothing would work.. it's just a niche sport no matter how you slice it.

But with almost every sport I watch I just see things and like to analyze ways the sport could be better, more interesting, more popular.. more fair and balanced.. less luck based..

Horse racing is a sport that seems ripe for an opportunity to modernize itself and be more widely appreciated. Tennis could use some changes as well... Baseball needs to be faster.. football needs to be faster.. soccer needs more goals via a larger goal (and thus less ties).

So I'm interested to see what true horse guys like you think would help popularize things beyond just "kentucky derby" (which after reading your analysis seems like a poorly designed race anyway... and i agrree)

More hamsters. They're far furrier and cuter.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

I'm no horse jockey, but do we really see California Chrome winning the Belmont regardless? Seems 1 1/2 is pushing it. He's nearly been swallowed up both times.

Very few horses are bred for that kind of distance anymore though, so they'll all have a tough time

I'd like to see him do it but I have a feeling he's going to fall shirt

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I'm no horse jockey, but do we really see California Chrome winning the Belmont regardless? Seems 1 1/2 is pushing it. He's nearly been swallowed up both times.

Very few horses are bred for that kind of distance anymore though, so they'll all have a tough time

I'd like to see him do it but I have a feeling he's going to fall shirt

Horses don't even wear shirts you fool, no matter what the season is.

But on a serious note, let's not be fooled by margin of victory. CC took the overland route to avoid being boxed in (smart jockey move) and repelled one challenge after passing 2 horses and then also held safe over the eventual place horse. Belmont will be his biggest test but I see no other horse with a better chance of winning that race, CC's nose bandaid being allowed or not.

 

[General Malaise]

His Derby time was not impressive. His Preakness time, OTH, was up there with Big Brown. I think we're watching history here, boys.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

BALTIMORE –

California Chrome will be allowed to wear a nasal strip at the Belmont Stakes on June 7, keeping alive his chance to become the first Triple Crown winner in 36 years.

Three stewards at Belmont Park on Monday unanimously approved the nasal strips for all horses running at racetracks of the New York Racing Association, effective immediately.

"Equine nasal strips do not enhance equine performance nor do they pose a risk to equine health or safety and as such do not need to be regulated," New York State Gaming Commission Equine Medical Director Scott E. Palmer wrote in his analysis of the strips. He added that strips are applied to the top of the nose and anyone can see their use prior to a race.

"If improperly applied, equine nasal strips cannot interfere with performance. In my opinion equine nasal strips fall into the same category as tongue-ties," Palmer wrote.

While there is research that indicates nasal strips decrease airway resistance in horses and may decrease the amount of bleeding associated with exercise induced pulmonary hemorrhage (EIPH), there is no evidence that the strips enable a horse to run faster, Palmer wrote.

A day earlier, Sherman's father, 77-year-old California Chrome trainer Art Sherman, said that if the horses wasn't allowed to run with a nasal strip – designed to enhance air flow in the nasal passages -- his owners might not want to run him at all in the Belmont, never mind the hugeness of the race for the horse and the racing industry.

Sherman said the plan is for California Chrome to leave here by van at 6 a.m. Tuesday for the trip to New York.

California Chrome is 6-0 since he started wearing the nasal strips in races only, not for training. "It just opens up their nasal passage a little bit, but like the human ones (nasal strips)."

 

[Timmay]

I sure hope no issues come up for CC that will force him to scratch.

Excited for the buzz going into the Belmont with a possible triple crown candidate.

I don't see him winning, but would love to see it for the sport.

Excited for June 7th either way.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

I sure hope no issues come up for CC that will force him to scratch.

Excited for the buzz going into the Belmont with a possible triple crown candidate.

I don't see him winning, but would love to see it for the sport.

Excited for June 7th either way.

Early offshore odds actually slightly favor him winning, but that might be expected as most people want it to happen.

 

[Parrothead]

I sure hope no issues come up for CC that will force him to scratch.

Excited for the buzz going into the Belmont with a possible triple crown candidate.

I don't see him winning, but would love to see it for the sport.

Excited for June 7th either way.

Early offshore odds actually slightly favor him winning, but that might be expected as most people want it to happen.

I'd love to see it, but chances are he'll get caught by a rested horse down the stretch.. mile and a half is tough

 

[Timmay]

Early on there looks to be a very strong field: Danza, Wicked Strong, Commanding Curve, Samraat, Ride on Curlin. Just to name a few.

 

[culdeus]

Seems like the All/CC is the play here? How many horses though?

 

[Ray Karpis]

Commanding Curve had a nice closing run in the Derby. I would be wary of him pulling a Birdstone in the Belmont.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Commanding Curve had a nice closing run in the Derby. I would be wary of him pulling a Birdstone in the Belmont.

He does look dangerous. But that said the thing I like best about Chrome is that once he does get the lead he has never given it up. Not bad for a horse that usually stays fairly close to the front and is not a deep closer.

 

[Dentist]

smart move to allow CC to run the Belmont... horse racing needs the publicity.... i can't believe this was an issue before.

And what would be even more awesome.. if he wins the Belmont, let him come back and defend to keep even more momentum going!

 

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BALTIMORE –

California Chrome will be allowed to wear a nasal strip at the Belmont Stakes on June 7, keeping alive his chance to become the first Triple Crown winner in 36 years.

Three stewards at Belmont Park on Monday unanimously approved the nasal strips for all horses running at racetracks of the New York Racing Association, effective immediately.

"Equine nasal strips do not enhance equine performance nor do they pose a risk to equine health or safety and as such do not need to be regulated," New York State Gaming Commission Equine Medical Director Scott E. Palmer wrote in his analysis of the strips. He added that strips are applied to the top of the nose and anyone can see their use prior to a race.

"If improperly applied, equine nasal strips cannot interfere with performance. In my opinion equine nasal strips fall into the same category as tongue-ties," Palmer wrote.

While there is research that indicates nasal strips decrease airway resistance in horses and may decrease the amount of bleeding associated with exercise induced pulmonary hemorrhage (EIPH), there is no evidence that the strips enable a horse to run faster, Palmer wrote.

A day earlier, Sherman's father, 77-year-old California Chrome trainer Art Sherman, said that if the horses wasn't allowed to run with a nasal strip – designed to enhance air flow in the nasal passages -- his owners might not want to run him at all in the Belmont, never mind the hugeness of the race for the horse and the racing industry.

Sherman said the plan is for California Chrome to leave here by van at 6 a.m. Tuesday for the trip to New York.

California Chrome is 6-0 since he started wearing the nasal strips in races only, not for training. "It just opens up their nasal passage a little bit, but like the human ones (nasal strips)."

I don't follow horse racing, but this decision was done completely for the money right?

Could you re-interpret this statement as: "Since nasal strips aren't going to kill a horse, we'll get rid of the rule so we can make ####loads of money on the event this year." ?

 

[Judge Smails]

Early on there looks to be a very strong field: Danza, Wicked Strong, Commanding Curve, Samraat, Ride on Curlin. Just to name a few.

Totally agree. If California Chrome wins this he will absolutely earn it. He was dominant in the Derby, and had a lot left in the tank at the end. The Preakness was a hard, hard race. Social Inclusion might have killed his Triple Crown dream - seriously. He had to work way too hard too early in the race, and then gallantly fend off Ride On Curlin. Sherman said Chrome was hardly blowing after the Derby, but he was whupped after the Preakness.

This will be his 3rd grueling race in 5 weeks. That's why it's so hard to win the TC. This might be the best Belmont field in years if they all go. Ride on Curlin and Wicked Strong will be right there. Curlin barely got beat in the Belmont - so you know ROC can get the distance. It's all about breeding. Wicked Strong is out of Hard Spun and Charismatic. Though both lost in the Belmont (4th and a close 3rd), they have classic distance breeding. I'll be OK if I lose money and CC wins the TC. I think the betting opportunity will be great though. The win pool will be loaded with people making serious wagers and wanting souvenirs on a potential TC champion. You'll get great odds on everyone else.

 

[Timmay]

CC arrives to Belmont Park.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/horses/triple/2014/05/20/cough-gone-california-chrome-arrives-safely-belmont-park/9324567/

 

[ntz08]

wow. looking like a tough field for the Belmont. Should be a great day. Had a blast last year even without the triple crown drama. Will be even better this year.

 

[chet]

Owners of General A Rod think that horse could have come second or won if he hadn't got stuck behind Ria Antonia and lost a lot of momentum. He will race next near the end of July.

 

[BassNBrew]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

 

[BRONG]

CC arrives to Belmont Park.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/horses/triple/2014/05/20/cough-gone-california-chrome-arrives-safely-belmont-park/9324567/

I love how he'll only get out of the van going backwards. Did the same thing at Churchill and Pimlico.

 

[culdeus]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

The way I've always heard it explained is roughly was because their lung volume is so high they can get their muscles oxgenated quicker. This leads to way, way more lactic acid buildup afterwards and their digestive system is not capable of processing it to urine quick enough like ours.

 

[James Daulton]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

The way I've always heard it explained is roughly was because their lung volume is so high they can get their muscles oxgenated quicker. This leads to way, way more lactic acid buildup afterwards and their digestive system is not capable of processing it to urine quick enough like ours.

If that's the case, then how were horses used as the primary mode of transport during western times? Is it only when horses run at max capacity that they need weeks to recover?

 

[culdeus]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

The way I've always heard it explained is roughly was because their lung volume is so high they can get their muscles oxgenated quicker. This leads to way, way more lactic acid buildup afterwards and their digestive system is not capable of processing it to urine quick enough like ours.

If that's the case, then how were horses used as the primary mode of transport during western times? Is it only when horses run at max capacity that they need weeks to recover?

Correct. Same for people.

 

[Dentist]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

The way I've always heard it explained is roughly was because their lung volume is so high they can get their muscles oxgenated quicker. This leads to way, way more lactic acid buildup afterwards and their digestive system is not capable of processing it to urine quick enough like ours.

If that's the case, then how were horses used as the primary mode of transport during western times? Is it only when horses run at max capacity that they need weeks to recover?

Correct. Same for people.

So you're telling me that if someone runs a 1.5 mile race FULL freakin' bore that they would need WEEKS to regain max capacity?

I'd wager to say Usain Bolt could do a 1.5 miler and then do it again the next week with no issue

 

[culdeus]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

The way I've always heard it explained is roughly was because their lung volume is so high they can get their muscles oxgenated quicker. This leads to way, way more lactic acid buildup afterwards and their digestive system is not capable of processing it to urine quick enough like ours.

If that's the case, then how were horses used as the primary mode of transport during western times? Is it only when horses run at max capacity that they need weeks to recover?

Correct. Same for people.

So you're telling me that if someone runs a 1.5 mile race FULL freakin' bore that they would need WEEKS to regain max capacity?

I'd wager to say Usain Bolt could do a 1.5 miler and then do it again the next week with no issue

People have a different way of processing lactic acid. Our livers are bigger relative to the rest of our body than horses, and our lungs are smaller compared to horses. So we produce less lactic acid and can get it out faster, often in days. Also people are tolerant of a wider diet which can help in recovery (BCAA, LGlutamine, etc.)

We know there are differences between men and horses. We also know that over 50 miles a trained human will beat a trained horse most of the time. We were born to run, they were born to run then bred to pull #### around a field. Only later did they breed them back with the runners (with mixed results).

 

[BassNBrew]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

The way I've always heard it explained is roughly was because their lung volume is so high they can get their muscles oxgenated quicker. This leads to way, way more lactic acid buildup afterwards and their digestive system is not capable of processing it to urine quick enough like ours.

If that's the case, then how were horses used as the primary mode of transport during western times? Is it only when horses run at max capacity that they need weeks to recover?

Correct. Same for people.

So you're telling me that if someone runs a 1.5 mile race FULL freakin' bore that they would need WEEKS to regain max capacity?

I'd wager to say Usain Bolt could do a 1.5 miler and then do it again the next week with no issue

People have a different way of processing lactic acid. Our livers are bigger relative to the rest of our body than horses, and our lungs are smaller compared to horses. So we produce less lactic acid and can get it out faster, often in days. Also people are tolerant of a wider diet which can help in recovery (BCAA, LGlutamine, etc.)

We know there are differences between men and horses. We also know that over 50 miles a trained human will beat a trained horse most of the time. We were born to run, they were born to run then bred to pull #### around a field. Only later did they breed them back with the runners (with mixed results).

Pretty interesting stuff. So you are saying based on breeding they were changed from runners to non-runners and now we're trying to reverse that? Pretty amazing that we can genetically alter them over such a short period of time.

Given your description, seems like a lot of opportunity to make a super horse using techniques pro bikers use.

 

[pizzatyme]

I have just one similarity with a horse.

 

[culdeus]

Why do horses need so much rest to run a 1.5 mile race? A human is going to recovered in a few days. I would think a horse would be better suited to recover especially since they are breed, feed, trained, and pampered to race.

The way I've always heard it explained is roughly was because their lung volume is so high they can get their muscles oxgenated quicker. This leads to way, way more lactic acid buildup afterwards and their digestive system is not capable of processing it to urine quick enough like ours.

If that's the case, then how were horses used as the primary mode of transport during western times? Is it only when horses run at max capacity that they need weeks to recover?

Correct. Same for people.

So you're telling me that if someone runs a 1.5 mile race FULL freakin' bore that they would need WEEKS to regain max capacity?

I'd wager to say Usain Bolt could do a 1.5 miler and then do it again the next week with no issue

People have a different way of processing lactic acid. Our livers are bigger relative to the rest of our body than horses, and our lungs are smaller compared to horses. So we produce less lactic acid and can get it out faster, often in days. Also people are tolerant of a wider diet which can help in recovery (BCAA, LGlutamine, etc.)

We know there are differences between men and horses. We also know that over 50 miles a trained human will beat a trained horse most of the time. We were born to run, they were born to run then bred to pull #### around a field. Only later did they breed them back with the runners (with mixed results).

Pretty interesting stuff. So you are saying based on breeding they were changed from runners to non-runners and now we're trying to reverse that? Pretty amazing that we can genetically alter them over such a short period of time.

Given your description, seems like a lot of opportunity to make a super horse using techniques pro bikers use.

I don't think TB horses can be bred with wild horses anymore. Though I'm not totally sure about exactly how that works. I do believe quarterhorses have more wild horse in them.

By pro bikers, do you mean doping them up with EPO and blood packing? Yes, I think a transfusion quickly after a race would seriously improve performance. Though I don't know what sort of container you would have to have to pack a horse's blood in? A 50 gallon drum?

 

[General Malaise]

smart move to allow CC to run the Belmont... horse racing needs the publicity.... i can't believe this was an issue before.

And what would be even more awesome.. if he wins the Belmont, let him come back and defend to keep even more momentum going!

Not a horse racing guy, but what if he had and accident and needed to be put down? Seems like a lot of breeding money flushed down the toilet.

If he does win the TC, let the guy rest and get laid.

ETA: Or is all the breeding done artificially now?

Oh no...no no no. None of that allowed in racing. It's straight up Rebecca Lobo position or nothing at all. There's even horse fluffers out there if you're looking for work.

 

[General Malaise]

Owners of General A Rod think that horse could have come second or won if he hadn't got stuck behind Ria Antonia and lost a lot of momentum. He will race next near the end of July.

Every other owner in that race feels the same way I'm sure.

 

[Timmay]

Owners of General A Rod think that horse could have come second or won if he hadn't got stuck behind Ria Antonia and lost a lot of momentum. He will race next near the end of July.

Every other owner in that race feels the same way I'm sure.

Doubtful. General A Rod was just about to put the burners on around the far turn when Ria Antonia fell from 2nd place to near the end and partially block General A Rod. This caused General A Rod to stop his momentum on the far turn and not be able to hit stride until about 250 yards left and by that time it was too late. I don't think he could of won, but certainly 2nd wasn't far fetched.

 

[Raider Nation]

I have just one similarity with a horse.

Odor?

 

[Raider Nation]

Three Triple-Crown winners in six years between 1973-1978, and none since. How do you explain that??