True or racist? (1 Viewer)

[TobiasFunke]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Seriously, is that what determines if it's racist or not? The size of the group that it caters to?

What determines it it's racist or not is whether it's racist or not.

But yeah, the size of the group, or more accurately how tough it is to find lots of people from that group, informs the perception. See, when you have a dating group that focuses on a subset of the population the assumption is that it exists because you have trouble finding a lot of people to date who share those particular interests or heritage or perspective or whatever. That's not really necessary for a group that makes up the majority of the population (Christianmingle is for people who are hard core about their religion, not just the casual twice-a-year Christians who make up a majority of the US population).

This really isn't that complicated or controversial. It's weird that we're at a point where white Americans complain constantly about perceived racial slights, though. We're through the looking glass, people.

 

[NewlyRetired]

More than football?

Don't forget that while a lot of African Americans play football, many don't play the sport as pre teens. Many I believe start playing when they get to high school. Football has always been the one team sport (when compared to soccer, baseball, hockey and football) that in general you can start later on and still excel in.

 

[humpback]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

 

[Greggity]

As long as people keep yelling "that is racist" whenever somebody makes a simple statement there will always be racism....67% single parent household, there is a good chance a lot of these kids fathers are not involved in their life.

Well thats pretty racist of them!! lol

 

[TobiasFunke]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

I do. Although you might call it something different like expatsmeet.com or something for the sake of appearances.

 

[Politician Spock]

Baseball is a bit more "cerebral" than basketball or football. Take for example being a runner on first with no one out. Batter hits the ball. What would you natutally do if it was your first time playing baseball? Or how about the 2nd baseman who catches the ball when a batter is trying to stretch a hit into the double? I always see kids just put their foot on the base and expect him to be out. Without someone teaching the game of baseball, it doesn't just come naturally. That being said, basketball and football aren't absent of such issues. The games are just easier to pick up.

But to the point of blacks being drawn to easy to learn sports because they lack the father to teach them the more difficult ones, if that were true, then this country would be swarmed with black soccer players.

 

[NCCommish]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

whitepeoplemeet.us . Seems believable to me.

 

[Greggity]

Baseball is a bit more "cerebral" than basketball or football. Take for example being a runner on first with no one out. Batter hits the ball. What would you natutally do if it was your first time playing baseball? Or how about the 2nd baseman who catches the ball when a batter is trying to stretch a hit into the double? I always see kids just put their foot on the base and expect him to be out. Without someone teaching the game of baseball, it doesn't just come naturally. That being said, basketball and football aren't absent of such issues. The games are just easier to pick up.

But to the point of blacks being drawn to easy to learn sports because they lack the father to teach them the more difficult ones, if that were true, then this country would be swarmed with black soccer players.

I think it might be because it just isnt cool or gangsta.

 

[Politician Spock]

Baseball is a bit more "cerebral" than basketball or football. Take for example being a runner on first with no one out. Batter hits the ball. What would you natutally do if it was your first time playing baseball? Or how about the 2nd baseman who catches the ball when a batter is trying to stretch a hit into the double? I always see kids just put their foot on the base and expect him to be out. Without someone teaching the game of baseball, it doesn't just come naturally. That being said, basketball and football aren't absent of such issues. The games are just easier to pick up.

But to the point of blacks being drawn to easy to learn sports because they lack the father to teach them the more difficult ones, if that were true, then this country would be swarmed with black soccer players.

I think it might be because it just isnt cool or gangsta.

I'd say the same thing, but differently.

In fact, I'd say a lot of white kids play baseball because their father pushes them to play it. They probably wouldn't have chosen baseball if it weren't for their father's presence.

 

[matttyl]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Seriously, is that what determines if it's racist or not? The size of the group that it caters to?

What determines it it's racist or not is whether it's racist or not.

But yeah, the size of the group, or more accurately how tough it is to find lots of people from that group, informs the perception. See, when you have a dating group that focuses on a subset of the population the assumption is that it exists because you have trouble finding a lot of people to date who share those particular interests or heritage or perspective or whatever. That's not really necessary for a group that makes up the majority of the population (Christianmingle is for people who are hard core about their religion, not just the casual twice-a-year Christians who make up a majority of the US population).

This really isn't that complicated or controversial. It's weird that we're at a point where white Americans complain constantly about perceived racial slights, though. We're through the looking glass, people.

I'd disagree with that.

I'm a white guy and after college in my hometown I did have trouble finding people I enjoyed dating. I used match.com and ended up meeting my wife through it. We've now been married for over two years. While on match.com, I was able to "filter" the types of people I was interested in, and I selected certain things like desired height, age, race, tobacco usage or not, interests, and so on.

So was that racist? I'm going to assume you would say no, but what's the difference? In one example it's being done within the dating site, and in the other it's being done (presumably) by the name of the dating site.

 

[NCCommish]

When I was an AD we had black players on our LL teams. Some of them had single parents. But we didn't have near the participation we did in football or basketball. I think it really goes back to seeing people who look like you playing the sport and getting famous. That happens for black kids more with the other two sports than it does with baseball these days. And lets face it football is, by most every measure, more popular than baseball in general.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

whitepeoplemeet.us . Seems believable to me.

There's also this option

 

[TobiasFunke]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Seriously, is that what determines if it's racist or not? The size of the group that it caters to?

What determines it it's racist or not is whether it's racist or not.

But yeah, the size of the group, or more accurately how tough it is to find lots of people from that group, informs the perception. See, when you have a dating group that focuses on a subset of the population the assumption is that it exists because you have trouble finding a lot of people to date who share those particular interests or heritage or perspective or whatever. That's not really necessary for a group that makes up the majority of the population (Christianmingle is for people who are hard core about their religion, not just the casual twice-a-year Christians who make up a majority of the US population).

This really isn't that complicated or controversial. It's weird that we're at a point where white Americans complain constantly about perceived racial slights, though. We're through the looking glass, people.

I'd disagree with that.

I'm a white guy and after college in my hometown I did have trouble finding people I enjoyed dating. I used match.com and ended up meeting my wife through it. We've now been married for over two years. While on match.com, I was able to "filter" the types of people I was interested in, and I selected certain things like desired height, age, race, tobacco usage or not, interests, and so on.

So was that racist? I'm going to assume you would say no, but what's the difference? In one example it's being done within the dating site, and in the other it's being done (presumably) by the name of the dating site.

Neither of them are racist.

 

[NCCommish]

8.9% of professional baseball players are black so as I mentioned black kids don't see a lot of guys that look like them doing it.

 

[huthut]

Could just be that baseball takes up a lot of space (probably not too many baseball fields in poor urban areas), and that it is expensive due to needing gloves, helmets, bats etc. Plus baseball does not have the same cultural presence as something like football in the south. The no dad argument could be made for football just as easily, yet that has plenty of African americans, probably due to the amount of money in high school football they can get free equipment etc.

 

[humpback]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

whitepeoplemeet.us . Seems believable to me.

I meant the part about nobody would have a problem with it.

 

[TheIronSheik]

When I was an AD we had black players on our LL teams. Some of them had single parents. But we didn't have near the participation we did in football or basketball. I think it really goes back to seeing people who look like you playing the sport and getting famous. That happens for black kids more with the other two sports than it does with baseball these days. And lets face it football is, by most every measure, more popular than baseball in general.

Baseball is dominated by Hispanics. Yet white people play. White people still love to play basketball, even though they all suck at it except for like 12 of them.

 

[pollardsvision]

Speaking of race, sports, and parental involvement....

I've got a buddy that coaches HS and Legion baseball in a rural football town. Building the Legion program from scratch and turning around an awful school program. It's a 1A football powerhouse in the sort of place where being a 1A football powerhouse is actually very important to these people.

Town also has a high hispanic population and a fantastic soccer program.

The football coach complains about everything he does that might interfere with football (in or off-season), and largely doesn't care what the soccer program does.

He's finally put it together that the football coach is terrified of losing the white kids with money that he keeps on the team just so for the booster time/money. Very few of them ever start, but it's the sort of town where football carries enough prestige to get away with getting so much booster time/money from kids that don't play. The football coach is terrified of losing these kids to a strong baseball program where they'll have a better chance to play.

He's doesn't care about the soccer program, so long as they give him a kicker ever year.

 

[NCCommish]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

whitepeoplemeet.us . Seems believable to me.

I meant the part about nobody would have a problem with it.

Maybe you could point me to the people that have had a problem with it? I missed all the news stories on the protests and all I guess.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

8.9% of professional baseball players are black so as I mentioned black kids don't see a lot of guys that look like them doing it.

No humans are playing baseball????

 

[NCCommish]

When I was an AD we had black players on our LL teams. Some of them had single parents. But we didn't have near the participation we did in football or basketball. I think it really goes back to seeing people who look like you playing the sport and getting famous. That happens for black kids more with the other two sports than it does with baseball these days. And lets face it football is, by most every measure, more popular than baseball in general.

Baseball is dominated by Hispanics. Yet white people play. White people still love to play basketball, even though they all suck at it except for like 12 of them.

Not really:

At the start of the 2012 season, the total percentage of players of color in the MLB was 38.2 percent.

The opening day rosters were 61.2 percent white, 27.3 percent Latino, 8.8 percent African American,1.9 percent Asian
, 0.1 percent Native American or Native Alaskan, and 0.1 Native Hawaiian or Pacific Islander.

 

[NCCommish]

8.9% of professional baseball players are black so as I mentioned black kids don't see a lot of guys that look like them doing it.

No humans are playing baseball????

Not many black ones

 

[EYLive]

I thought the Chicago LL team coach said it first.

 

[renesauz]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is

They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.

Little League baseball probably does take more parental involvement/organization than basketball at a young age.

There are a bunch of factors that are more important, but the notion isn't way off base I guess.

More than football?

Maybe not, but like I said, there are other factors that are more important (like football being more popular). But the parental involvement aspect could simply be another hurdle once you get past the main hurdles.

It depends on the area I'm sure, but in many areas (like where I've been), youth football is generally run by the schools while youth baseball is pretty much an entirely parent run organization not affiliated with the school or city.

For a football team, you might only need 3 parents heavily involved for every 40 kids with the local government footing much of the equipment bill. A youth baseball team might have 3 parents for every 12 kids with kids buying much of their equipment.

This. The % of single parents absolutely has a huge effect.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Not that anybody cares but here is what I think....In this day and age the white people who consider themselves champions for the black man are kind of pathetic and also demeaning....The black man can and does quite well for himself in standing up for his rights and fighting for what he believes is right....If I was a black man I think I would say something like..."#### you whitey, I don't need you patronizing me, I got this #### covered so back the #### off and go find some other charity to make yourself feel good and upright".

 

[humpback]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

whitepeoplemeet.us . Seems believable to me.

I meant the part about nobody would have a problem with it.

Maybe you could point me to the people that have had a problem with it? I missed all the news stories on the protests and all I guess.

I almost forgot how ridiculous you can be. I guess only white Americans are racist.

 

[NCCommish]

Was watching a bit of TV last night myself, and saw the new ad for blackpeoplemeet.com, the one where the guy is trying to impress the girl and get her attention in the super market and she doesn't look at him till she's leaving the store and he's in line.

Anyway, how's that not racist? I mean if there were a whitepeoplemeet.com, they would get blasted, right?

If you started a whitepeoplemeet.com dating service in a country where white people were the overwhelming minority nobody would have a problem with it.

Not that it's really important, but you don't really believe this do you?

whitepeoplemeet.us . Seems believable to me.

I meant the part about nobody would have a problem with it.

Maybe you could point me to the people that have had a problem with it? I missed all the news stories on the protests and all I guess.

I almost forgot how ridiculous you can be. I guess only white Americans are racist.

So it is ridiculous to ask you to back up what you said? My bad. And I could ask you to point me to where I said only white people can be racist but I guess that would make me ridiculous again.

 

[Sweet J]

Was watching the TV last night and they were talking about Little League. One guy said, "The reason little league is not big in black communities is because there are no black fathers around to teach their sons how to play baseball."

Is that a true statement? Or a racist statement?

I'd want to look at certain statistics. Are there, on average, less "intact" (two-parent) black families than white families (controlling for population). And even then it may not be the whole story. What about "broken" families where the dad still has an active role in the upbrining of the child. I wouldn't even begin to guess how to figure that out.

And even if you could, and even if there were less black dads around than white dads, why would less black fathers being in the picture affect baseball playing more than, say, basketball or football (which I'm assuming has not experienced a drop in "little league" participcation? Are fathers more integral to the development of baseball little leagues than, say, AAU basketball or pee wee football?

It's just a strange statement to make.

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

 

[lod01]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Suspended.

 

[Sweet J]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Isn't this a little like Nixon going to China?

 

[TobiasFunke]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

 

[El Floppo]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

yeah, not sure it's racist. Just incredibly stupid an not true. He is a smart guy, wonder what his angle is

They were talking about the LLWS on PTI and how the group of kids from Chicago was the first all black team to make it to the LLWS in over 30 years or something. Tony asked if this could be a trend for inner city baseball. Wilbon said no, because young black kids' role models are basketball players or maybe football players. Then he took it a step further and said the statement above. My jaw dropped, as did I'm sure a bunch of people at ESPN.

fwiw- I was watching one of the interviews with the coach from Chicago- while they were still going through qualifying- and he said pretty much the same thing. How important the game was, but how tough it's been in his area because it's something taught from father to son, etc...

perhaps PTI is just running with that?

 

[Greggity]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

I guess its the "double-standard, deal with it" philosophy that bothers me. Not that i want to walk around calling people names because i dont. Just dont throw the faux outrage on me if someone says something dumb that offends you but some other dude says the same thing and its ok. I guess i was brought up with the idea of being "fair", and ofcourse "balanced" lmao

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

 

[pollardsvision]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

I think Tony could've brought up the point, but he'd have had to be a lot more careful and not use language that sounded like he was making generalizations/stereotyping. Wilbon said "no black fathers around", and Tony couldn't have gotten away that.Most likely, he'd be better off just leaving it alone.

I don't have a problem with black people being able to speak about black people in a different way than white people.

 

[Greggity]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

I think Tony could've brought up the point, but he'd have had to be a lot more careful and not use language that sounded like he was making generalizations/stereotyping. Wilbon said "no black fathers around", and Tony couldn't have gotten away that.Most likely, he'd be better off just leaving it alone.

I don't have a problem with black people being able to speak about black people in a different way than white people.

Black people can speak about anyone whatever way they like and you better just like it, racist......

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

sweet reunion of the ferguson thread gang going on in here.

 

[TheIronSheik]

sweet reunion of the ferguson thread gang going on in here.

I honestly didn't mean for that to happen.

When I first heard Wilbon say it last night I thought "Geez. That's a pretty messed up thing to say."

But now, people are coming on here, defending him, and saying that he was right to say that and that the facts support his argument.

I then said, "What if Tony would have said it?"

And people lost their mind. I just don't understand why people that aren't black aren't able to make an argument that people agree with and that is supported by facts.

 

[lod01]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

I think Tony could've brought up the point, but he'd have had to be a lot more careful and not use language that sounded like he was making generalizations/stereotyping. Wilbon said "no black fathers around", and Tony couldn't have gotten away that.Most likely, he'd be better off just leaving it alone.

I don't have a problem with black people being able to speak about black people in a different way than white people.

What if Kornheiser started it with 'there are a lot of white kids playing baseball because their dad's are around to teach them how to play.

 

[Greggity]

sweet reunion of the ferguson thread gang going on in here.

I honestly didn't mean for that to happen.

When I first heard Wilbon say it last night I thought "Geez. That's a pretty messed up thing to say."

But now, people are coming on here, defending him, and saying that he was right to say that and that the facts support his argument.

I then said, "What if Tony would have said it?"

And people lost their mind. I just don't understand why people that aren't black aren't able to make an argument that people agree with and that is supported by facts.

Cuz white america has been brainwashed the past 20 years or so. Throw common sense and logic out the damn window. Facts dont mean anything, the color of your skin makes it a valid argument....

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Not that anybody cares but here is what I think....In this day and age the white people who consider themselves champions for the black man are kind of pathetic and also demeaning....The black man can and does quite well for himself in standing up for his rights and fighting for what he believes is right....If I was a black man I think I would say something like..."#### you whitey, I don't need you patronizing me, I got this #### covered so back the #### off and go find some other charity to make yourself feel good and upright".

Michael Wilbon is not white.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Belgium and the Netherlands keep track of gay divorce rates.

Netherlands Lesbian divorce rate = 14%, Gay Male divorce rate = 7%

Belgium Lesbian divorce rate = 21%, Gay Male divorce rate = 14%

where are all the gay baseball players? all we get is one late draft pick in football.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

 

[pollardsvision]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

I think Tony could've brought up the point, but he'd have had to be a lot more careful and not use language that sounded like he was making generalizations/stereotyping. Wilbon said "no black fathers around", and Tony couldn't have gotten away that.Most likely, he'd be better off just leaving it alone.

I don't have a problem with black people being able to speak about black people in a different way than white people.

What if Kornheiser started it with 'there are a lot of white kids playing baseball because their dad's are around to teach them how to play.

That would be a poor choice of words and wouldn't go over well.

If there is a single parent household "problem" in the black community (quick look a the numbers suggests there probably is), it's fine to bring up and discuss, but a one sentence generalization isn't going to go over well.

Wilbon has more leeway, and that's fine.

 

[Widbil83]

Who said that

Michael Wilbon

Nope Michael Wilbon is black and black people can't be racists.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

Glad to hear it. Personally I prefer to spend my time and energy discussing other injustices, but I'm glad Kornheiser is glad that you're here fighting for his right to be as idiotic as Wilbon.

 

[TheIronSheik]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

Glad to hear it. Personally I prefer to spend my time and energy discussing other injustices, but I'm glad Kornheiser is glad that you're here fighting for his right to be as idiotic as Wilbon.

What are you talking about?

 

[pollardsvision]

If Tony Kornheiser had said it, how do you think it would have gone over?

Does it bother you that black people can say things about black culture that white people can't necessarily get away with? If so, why? Its true about pretty much every minority/majority and has been for a long time. So what?

It does bother me. If it's a true fact, why is it wrong for a white person to say it?

I don't know if it's tr ue. Nor do you. Nor do Kornheiser, or Wilbon for that matter. People do give black people a little more leeway in making odd generalizations about the black community because they assume the black person has more insight into that community. They'd do the same if it was a Jew talking about the Jewish community, or a ginger talking about the ginger community, or yes, even a white person talking about the white community. Is that fair? Don't know, don't care.

I am sorry that it bothers you so much, though. Good luck righting this wrong. We Shall Overcome

I like equality. I believe that's what we're all fighting for. For everyone to be equal. If you're cool with inequalities, gratz!

We live in a country where one race enslaved another for hundreds of years. After that, they treated them as 4th class citizens, terrorizing and killing them for another hundred or so.

Much of that was enabled by stereotyping and racial slurs.

It makes sense that black people can say certain things when speaking about black people and that white people should be a little more careful. It's not racist. It's just common sense.