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Trump Booed In Dallas For Admitting To Getting Booster Vaccine Shot (1 Viewer)

As far as I know, Trump's stance has always been something along the lines of: Pro-Vaccine/Pro-Freedom/Anti-Mandate.

He got vaxxed in January, and the only reason he didn't get vaccinated sooner is because he was still recovering from his COVID treatments. Once his doctors cleared him, he got vaccinated. I do agree that it would have been nice if he had publicly promoted his status back in January, but that doesn't mean that he was being inconsistent!
January 2021.  COVID hit most Feb-Mar 2020.

 
As far as I know, Trump's stance has always been something along the lines of: Pro-Vaccine/Pro-Freedom/Anti-Mandate.

He got vaxxed in January, and the only reason he didn't get vaccinated sooner is because he was still recovering from his COVID treatments. Once his doctors cleared him, he got vaccinated. I do agree that it would have been nice if he had publicly promoted his status back in January, but that doesn't mean that he was being inconsistent!
January 2021.  COVID hit most Feb-Mar 2020.
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I'm talking about his stance on the vaccines, man. That's what this thread is about, that's what my posts are about.

 
Just trying to confirm with folks when they are saying Trump was first vocal in telling the populace to get vaccinated.  Was it after he was vaccinated Jan 2021? One full year after the COVID outbreak?  


Thanks. That's what I thought you meant.

I do think what we're seeing is definitely a new focus on this.

I know he said it in speeches and such in the past.

What I think is new, is a new found focus. I've heard Donald Trump's name mentioned around two events in the past week. The Bill OReilly event and the Candace Owens interview.

In both cases, the single takeaway soundbite was (my words), "The Vaccine that I made happen saved the world from this being the Spanish Flu and we (I) deserve a ton of credit".  That was most definitely not his messaging before. Even if he was pro vaccine.

But it clearly seems to be his new found focus. 

And the bigger thing, that is a GREAT thing to build a campaign around. 

 
Whoa now. Just because Trump is a little more vocal now, that doesn't mean that his personal stance ever changed.


Possible. But every business and politician has to pick "the thing" they're going to be known for if they're going to be successful. 

It's basic business and messaging. 

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Donald Trump in 2016 was obviously, "Make America Great Again". 

Hillary Cllinton in 2016 was, "I'm with her?" 

I think Donald Trump winning in 2016 was one of the most stark examples of how clear messaging can win. People don't move towards uncertainty. 

It's how Bill Clinton won with "It's the Economy, Stupid". 

I think where people underestimate Trump is he understands business and messaging. This to me is shaping up to be his 2024 Make America Great message is going to be something about how "I Saved The World and I'll do it again".

I know people are laughing this off. Or nitpicking about when he started thinking this way.

I don't think that matters.

What matters is Donald Trump has finally realized he's got a gold mine to run on in 2024.

 
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Thanks. That's what I thought you meant.

I do think what we're seeing is definitely a new focus on this.

I know he said it in speeches and such in the past.

What I think is new, is a new found focus. I've heard Donald Trump's name mentioned around two events in the past week. The Bill OReilly event and the Candace Owens interview.

In both cases, the single takeaway soundbite was (my words), "The Vaccine that I made happen saved the world from this being the Spanish Flu and we (I) deserve a ton of credit".  That was most definitely not his messaging before. Even if he was pro vaccine.

But it clearly seems to be his new found focus. 

And the bigger thing, that is a GREAT thing to build a campaign around. 
I totally get him doing this, and that it IS a good thing,  but IMO, the reason he is getting push back even from his side is that his messaging WASN'T at all clear on this during the pandemic. 

 
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Whoa now. Just because Trump is a little more vocal now, that doesn't mean that his personal stance ever changed.
Yeah, well sorry, you have work to do to show this, other than it was in his heart or we all just misunderstood him or whatever.  Why do you think he was booed recently?

 
I totally get him doing this, and that it IS a good thing,  but IMO, the reason he is getting push back even from his side is that his messaging WASN'T at all clear on this during the pandemic. 


Yes. I agree the messaging wasn't clear during his time as president. And by clear, I mean I don't think he focused on making that message a priority.

I don't pretend to know how he thinks, but I THINK he'll think of this the way I would: What's past is past. What matters now (and in 2024) is the messaging now. And I THINK the messaging now is "I saved the world. And I can do it again after sleepy Joe's let it run off the rails these last four years". 

 
And as we said a while back, or I think it was Bill O'Reilly on the video, he'll have to walk the line with the anti vaccination folks. I think his answer there though is pretty easy - he'll stress he's for freedom and anti mandate. 

Alex Jones' tribe may not like that. But do we think Alex Jones fans are going to vote for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris in 2024? Trump has all them in the pocket. He just needs to do enough not to lose them totally and anti mandate will do it I think. 

 
Yes. I agree the messaging wasn't clear during his time as president. And by clear, I mean I don't think he focused on making that message a priority.

I don't pretend to know how he thinks, but I THINK he'll think of this the way I would: What's past is past. What matters now (and in 2024) is the messaging now. And I THINK the messaging now is "I saved the world. And I can do it again after sleepy Joe's let it run off the rails these last four years". 
He is definitely great at grasping what, when, how and who to message; but I think here, his challenge is not just to the folks that always loved him but are now perplexed at this change in "platform" but also to the independents / moderates that are like you and me and never heard that messaging early on.

 
He is definitely great at grasping what, when, how and who to message; but I think here, his challenge is not just to the folks that always loved him but are now perplexed at this change in "platform" but also to the independents / moderates that are like you and me and never heard that messaging early on.
Anyone with a memory more than a few weeks old remembers Trump's initial thoughts on this subject.

 
He is definitely great at grasping what, when, how and who to message; but I think here, his challenge is not just to the folks that always loved him but are now perplexed at this change in "platform" but also to the independents / moderates that are like you and me and never heard that messaging early on.


Agreed. I think the reality though is he's getting WAY out in front of this. By the time this matters most, he'll be able to say in 2024, "This has been my focus for years". And people can say, "Yeah, that's right. I remember 3 years ago (which is an eternity) when Trump was talking about how he saved the world with the vaccine."

I think he's setting groundwork now. 

 
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Agreed. I think the reality though is he's getting WAY out in front of this. By the time this matters most, he'll be able to say in 2024, "This has been my focus for years". And people can say, "Yeah, that's right. I remember 3 years ago (which is an eternity) when Trump was talking about how he saved the world with the vaccine. 
100% agree with all of your take in here Joe.  It’s the only reason he lost in 2020, and now he’s figured it out.  Will be interesting to watch.

Merry Christmas Joe.

 
Anyone with a memory more than a few weeks old remembers Trump's initial thoughts on this subject.


I don't disagree. But that's today.

In three years, when Trump has been talking non stop for 3 years about how he saved the world with the vaccine, things will feel very different than today. 

 
Whoa now. Just because Trump is a little more vocal now, that doesn't mean that his personal stance ever changed.


Possible. But every business and politician has to pick "the thing" they're going to be known for if they're going to be successful. 

It's basic business and messaging. 

Footballguys is "We Help You Win At Fantasy Football". 

Donald Trump in 2016 was obviously, "Make America Great Again". 

Hillary Cllinton in 2016 was, "I'm with her?" 

I think Donald Trump winning in 2016 was one of the most stark examples of how clear messaging can win. People don't move towards uncertainty. 

It's how Bill Clinton won with "It's the Economy, Stupid". 

I think where people underestimate Trump is he understands business and messaging. This to me is shaping up to be his 2024 Make America Great message is going to be something about how "I Saved The World and I'll do it again".

I know people are laughing this off. Or nitpicking about when he started thinking this way.

I don't think that matters.

What matters is Donald Trump has finally realized he's got a gold mine to run on in 2024.
I disagree that Trump's "thinking" ever changed. I think he's always been pro-vaccine, he's always been pro-freedom, and he's always taken credit for Operation Warp Speed.

In hindsight, Trump could have promoted those things more vocally in 2020, sure. But we didn't know in 2020 that the vaccine and OWS were going to be as effective as they were! I'm not sure if it's fair to criticize President Trump for exercising caution.

His "messaging" for 2024 will be surely be different than his messaging for 2020, but that's only because he didn't have a publicly-available vaccine to promote in November 2020. If people want to argue that his overall campaign message from 2020 was flawed, then that would be a separate matter, IMO. But even then I would point out that Trump still inserted his business sense into the campaign --- for example, with all the times that he talked about the great deals he was negotiating with drug companies, etc. 

I think that the only thing that will be different in 2024 vs. 2020 is that Trump will have results to back up his message.

P.S. I appreciate the question mark you added to Hillary's slogan. Nice touch!

 
Joe, 

I totally agree with you. tonydead was pointing out speeches and things to the contrary the other night, and I said "my bad," but then I thought about it. If he had really wanted to promote the vaccines and what he did with respect to them, he would have done so earlier. Do we think anything Owens or O'Reilly asked him wasn't previously vetted? That his appearances now aren't coinciding with a new 2024 strategy? Are we supposed to assume that his newfound embrace of the success of the vaccines in other outlets other than at his rallies is an accident? 

I say that emphases are select and fleeting. This is a new emphasis for him in strong, typical Trumpian "I" language that was missing before. 

I get that he had spoken about this before. But bringing it front-and-center to the media machine is something new. 

 
100% agree with all of your take in here Joe.  It’s the only reason he lost in 2020, and now he’s figured it out.  Will be interesting to watch.

Merry Christmas Joe.
I think it’s taking way too far to say it’s the only reason he lost.  I would agree he probably wins if he has handled it differently but he could also have won if he didn’t do a bunch of other stuff too.  There’s plenty of people who didn’t vote for him or didn’t vote at all that really do agree with a lot of what he did or wants to do.  He could have won some if those folks over too.  

 
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Thanks. That's what I thought you meant.

I do think what we're seeing is definitely a new focus on this.

I know he said it in speeches and such in the past.

What I think is new, is a new found focus. I've heard Donald Trump's name mentioned around two events in the past week. The Bill OReilly event and the Candace Owens interview.

In both cases, the single takeaway soundbite was (my words), "The Vaccine that I made happen saved the world from this being the Spanish Flu and we (I) deserve a ton of credit".  That was most definitely not his messaging before. Even if he was pro vaccine.

But it clearly seems to be his new found focus. 

And the bigger thing, that is a GREAT thing to build a campaign around. 
Which is a laughable thing to try and take credit for.  Classic tale: a bureaucrat tries to take credit for the actual talent.  Politics is poison. 

 
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I think it’s taking way too far to say it’s the only reason he lost.  I would agree he probably wins if he has handled it differently but he could also have won if he didn’t do a bunch of other stuff too.  There’s plenty of people who didn’t vote for him or didn’t vote at all that really do agree with a lot of what he did or wants to do.  He could have won some if those folks over too.  
And then he went full Alex Jones conspiracy theorist, took a chainsaw to one of the pillars of democracy, and unleashed a mob of delusional people on the Capitol.  

Regardless of whether he pivots to a self serving better position on Covid, his actions since the election should be, in anyone who values democracy’s mind, completely disqualifying. 

The fact it is not is scary af for America. 

 

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