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Trust a real estate broker on proposed price for sale of your home? (1 Viewer)

Otis said:
Putting our house on the market. Broker came back with a price that was close to what we expected, but I think a little low given some of the garbage we have seen listed at much higher prices. Of course, it's hard to be totally objective about your own house.

I'm usually a "trust the professionals" kind of guy, but in this instance, I assume a real estate broker has the incentive to list as low as possible to get a sale done fast. Sure, they could get a few more dollars if they list higher, but they're only getting 6% (or maybe 3%) of the difference, and really it seems to me they just would like to show it a couple times and get a deal done.

Am I right in my thinking? I'd like to tell them I want to list like $50k higher than their suggestion, but I don't want to be unreasonable either.

House nerds, whatcha got? TIA
It's in the agents best interest to list it lower but there's nothing forcing your hand to accept an offer at listing price. Many times it's better to list lower and get multiple bidders than to list to high and have to bring the price down.

Also, 50k doesn't seem like anything to get worked up either way - by you or the agent.
I imagine it might depend on the state, but is this true? If you list your house for sale and a buyer makes an unqualified offer at asking price, are you free to reject if you do not have a better offer in hand?

 
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Comps drive the prices, not the agents.
A honest agent will sit down and show you all the comps and help you make the best decision.
They can "help" but I'm not sure it's something that requires a brain trust to figure out. If you are going for as much money as possible, price at the high end of comps, if you're in it to get it done quickly, price at the bottom.
I'm an appraiser and people almost always believe their house is better than it is. They'll find a high comp in a better location, better condition, etc. and think it's the same as their house.

 
Otis said:
Putting our house on the market. Broker came back with a price that was close to what we expected, but I think a little low given some of the garbage we have seen listed at much higher prices. Of course, it's hard to be totally objective about your own house.

I'm usually a "trust the professionals" kind of guy, but in this instance, I assume a real estate broker has the incentive to list as low as possible to get a sale done fast. Sure, they could get a few more dollars if they list higher, but they're only getting 6% (or maybe 3%) of the difference, and really it seems to me they just would like to show it a couple times and get a deal done.

Am I right in my thinking? I'd like to tell them I want to list like $50k higher than their suggestion, but I don't want to be unreasonable either.

House nerds, whatcha got? TIA
It's in the agents best interest to list it lower but there's nothing forcing your hand to accept an offer at listing price. Many times it's better to list lower and get multiple bidders than to list to high and have to bring the price down.

Also, 50k doesn't seem like anything to get worked up either way - by you or the agent.
I imagine it might depend on the state, but is this true? If you list your house for sale and a buyer makes an unqualified offer at asking price, are you free to reject if you do not have a better offer in hand?
Yes, there's nothing forcing to you to sell. Your agent might push you to sell but you can decline any offer you want, even if it's above asking.

 
Remember when like two week ago Otis decided he was going to wait a year before selling his house for tax reasons? Guy just loves to throw money away.
I think he wants to make an offer on the bigger house Mrs. O fell in love with. Oats is his own worst enemy. He goes on at length about how he'd like to shift to a career that, while it might pay less, provides him with less stress and more free time. And then he goes and doubles his mortgage.
Read my mind...

 
Remember when like two week ago Otis decided he was going to wait a year before selling his house for tax reasons? Guy just loves to throw money away.
I think he wants to make an offer on the bigger house Mrs. O fell in love with. Oats is his own worst enemy. He goes on at length about how he'd like to shift to a career that, while it might pay less, provides him with less stress and more free time. And then he goes and doubles his mortgage.
Start hiding money... this is the next phase in the "divorce him and rake him over the coals" playbook :popcorn:

Endgame: Shes in the house alone with the kids and Otis is paying the note and living in an apartment in Bushwick.

 
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I don't know lots of realtors smart enough to list low and get the sale. Most still push to price high in my opinion. If your comps really support your thinking them maybe it's low but I expect you are high and aren't accurately valuing the house you've dumped money in to nonstop and still aren't pleased. Neither will others at the wrong price.

Did you ever get around to paving your double driveway or planting a bunch of trees?

Signed,

Cap'n obvious

 
You have to agree to the price. Put it up for what you want unless you need to sell fast.

 
I don't know lots of realtors smart enough to list low and get the sale. Most still push to price high in my opinion. If your comps really support your thinking them maybe it's low but I expect you are high and aren't accurately valuing the house you've dumped money in to nonstop and still aren't pleased. Neither will others at the wrong price.

Did you ever get around to paving your double driveway or planting a bunch of trees?

Signed,

Cap'n obvious
:goodposting:

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Gawain said:
avoiding injuries said:
My situation was about 10 years ago. While my house was FSBO the neighbors put their house on the market through an agent for a few thousand more than mine. Very comparable.

Their house sold in 2 weeks for asking price and the people who bought it never even looked at mine. I ended up keeping mine and have rented it out for the past decade. It's still not worth what it was at the time I originally listed it. Yay
Internet's a lot bigger now than it once was. Zillow wasn't around in 2004. If you don't have an immediate need to sell, try FSBO for a couple months. Then if you feel you need an agent to drive business you have that option.
And it all depends on your market. In a tough market an agent would definitely help. We sold a place in market where places were going for 10-15% above asking price. It was a breeze. Had an open house, said we'd accept offers till X day, accepted the highest bidder and had the place gone right away.
We did the same with a Brooklyn condo last year. Sold it ourselves, wife did two open houses, we had a bidding war and made out like bandits. Gave the buyer's broker 2% because he asked if we would pay a commission if he brings his buyers. We negotiated him down from 3-2. Overall saved a lot of money this way.

We can't do that with the house, mostly because we have a relationship with the broker (she is a family friend, and was our broker who got us the house; as did she get my sister and BIL a house in the same town) so we don't feel right, but also because we have an infant with colic here and my wife is losing her mind between that and the toddler. We just need to farm this out.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
  • Do you use Zillow and Trulia?
  • If yes, have you searched those sites for comparable homes in your neighborhood? (such as property size, square footage, updated kitchen/bathrooms/flooring, landscaping, etc.)
BTW, Zillow's zestimates are garbage, so I would ignore those... You do need to find the comps though and start at 5-10% over them and work your way down. I never trust a RE agent... The best time to buy and sell according to any agent? "Right now"
We've been using both, a lot, both to shop for new houses, and to value ours. It's a unique/oddball property and house, but I think fits in around 50k above what they're suggesting. Worst case I figure we list and, if no sniffs, drop it 50k after a couple weeks. Not a big deal. We're not in a massive rush to sell (we will buy in parallel), and so I'd rather have the extra 50k in my pocket to put towards the next house...

 
Remember when like two week ago Otis decided he was going to wait a year before selling his house for tax reasons? Guy just loves to throw money away.
I think he wants to make an offer on the bigger house Mrs. O fell in love with. Oats is his own worst enemy. He goes on at length about how he'd like to shift to a career that, while it might pay less, provides him with less stress and more free time. And then he goes and doubles his mortgage.
God, so so true. :bag:

We concluded the tax issue actually isn't a big issue at all. Once I tallied up all the work we did on the house and realized that the broker's fee and other closing costs get added to our basis, we won't have a ton of profit beyond that, so the taxes may be minimal or non-existent. Couple that with our 3 year old turning 4 next year and starting to grow attached to friends, since we decided to go to a new community, now just seems like a better time to do it.

 
I don't know lots of realtors smart enough to list low and get the sale. Most still push to price high in my opinion. If your comps really support your thinking them maybe it's low but I expect you are high and aren't accurately valuing the house you've dumped money in to nonstop and still aren't pleased. Neither will others at the wrong price.

Did you ever get around to paving your double driveway or planting a bunch of trees?

Signed,

Cap'n obvious
Actually yes, we added the driveway at the hilltop right up to the house, which the broker believes resolved the one major issue with the house previously -- the hill to the driveway below and the long stairway up to the house. Of course, she didn't emphasize this problem when we were the buyers of the house...

:coffee:

 
Some of the houses we're looking at are pretty epic. Like, central air (cold air on ALL sides of the house), new floors (no squeaks and creaks), flat, sunny lawns (no planting graveyard hills in the shade), kitchens without crooked floors. They're pretty sweet. We saw one we love and which is a little overpriced, but man, it's brand spanking new inside (a rarity in the nice LI towns, which have old homes) and has every amenity. The place has brand new "hydronic heating," which as far as I can tell from the intarweb means the floors all over the house are heated. omg. Those central vacuums in the walls???? wtf?! And a laundry room nicer than our whole current house....

Oh and my commute would be shaved by about 4 minutes. Every minute is precious in this hellish commute of mine....

 
2 out of 3 agents dont want to work for you anymore. You are (allegedly) a bright guy do your own homework and figure out objectively what your house is worth. Gold to a agent is a seller who will sell the house for 10% under what its worth so they can sell it in a week.

 
Since I'm feeling giddy about it, here's a link to the kitchen/great room in the one we love. The picture totally doesn't do it justice -- that island is literally about 10 feet by 5 feet. It's the nicest kitchen I've ever seen in my life. Man, the FFA surfing I could do from that island, on my laptop, sipping a beer, with games on the TV over in the family room. Christ, I can't spend the money fast enough....

 
Since I'm feeling giddy about it, here's a link to the kitchen/great room in the one we love. The picture totally doesn't do it justice -- that island is literally about 10 feet by 5 feet. It's the nicest kitchen I've ever seen in my life. Man, the FFA surfing I could do from that island, on my laptop, sipping a beer, with games on the TV over in the family room. Christ, I can't spend the money fast enough....
Gorgeous Oats. Enjoy the new digs!

 
Since I'm feeling giddy about it, here's a link to the kitchen/great room in the one we love. The picture totally doesn't do it justice -- that island is literally about 10 feet by 5 feet. It's the nicest kitchen I've ever seen in my life. Man, the FFA surfing I could do from that island, on my laptop, sipping a beer, with games on the TV over in the family room. Christ, I can't spend the money fast enough....
Gorgeous Oats. Enjoy the new digs!
It's not ours yet. Lots of negotiation ahead if we decide to pull the trigger. The sellers have it priced well above market since they gut renovated it down to the studs and think they therefore should get more for it. Even their broker admitted it was priced "a little aggressively." I agree they should go a little above value given the awesome whole house reno, but not as far as they are. It's nearly 5k square feet inside when you include the finished basement, and is really awesomely done and the PERFECT layout and flow for us, but the catch is that outside it just looks like a very average house, and on a smallish piece of property. At this price point, you would expect to be blown away from the curb. Then again, as I said to my wife, we're not going to be spending all that much time at the curb, and who gives a crap what anyone thinks. It's what's inside that counts, brah.

 
Doing your own market analysis isn't hard. You need to just look up some comparable houses that have sold in your neighborhood.

 
Was there really ever any doubt that this would happen?

From the second Oats posted that ridiculous video of him cutting trees down in the front yard, I knew he'd be out of there before the kid was in kindergarten.

 
Was there really ever any doubt that this would happen?

From the second Oats posted that ridiculous video of him cutting trees down in the front yard, I knew he'd be out of there before the kid was in kindergarten.
:bag:

 
Otis said:
Putting our house on the market. Broker came back with a price that was close to what we expected, but I think a little low given some of the garbage we have seen listed at much higher prices. Of course, it's hard to be totally objective about your own house.

I'm usually a "trust the professionals" kind of guy, but in this instance, I assume a real estate broker has the incentive to list as low as possible to get a sale done fast. Sure, they could get a few more dollars if they list higher, but they're only getting 6% (or maybe 3%) of the difference, and really it seems to me they just would like to show it a couple times and get a deal done.

Am I right in my thinking? I'd like to tell them I want to list like $50k higher than their suggestion, but I don't want to be unreasonable either.

House nerds, whatcha got? TIA
It's in the agents best interest to list it lower but there's nothing forcing your hand to accept an offer at listing price. Many times it's better to list lower and get multiple bidders than to list to high and have to bring the price down.

Also, 50k doesn't seem like anything to get worked up either way - by you or the agent.
I imagine it might depend on the state, but is this true? If you list your house for sale and a buyer makes an unqualified offer at asking price, are you free to reject if you do not have a better offer in hand?
Yes, there's nothing forcing to you to sell. Your agent might push you to sell but you can decline any offer you want, even if it's above asking.
The agent could sue you for commission and could probably win.

 
Comps drive the prices, not the agents.
A honest agent will sit down and show you all the comps and help you make the best decision.
They can "help" but I'm not sure it's something that requires a brain trust to figure out. If you are going for as much money as possible, price at the high end of comps, if you're in it to get it done quickly, price at the bottom.
I'm an appraiser and people almost always believe their house is better than it is. They'll find a high comp in a better location, better condition, etc. and think it's the same as their house.
Agreed....emotion is dangerous in real estate. Best to leave it at the door. That said, I've moved four times and sold myself three times. The one time we used an agent was an interstate move. In my area all the standard docs can be found online. All you need is a lawyer to help with the legaleeze

 
Since I'm feeling giddy about it, here's a link to the kitchen/great room in the one we love. The picture totally doesn't do it justice -- that island is literally about 10 feet by 5 feet. It's the nicest kitchen I've ever seen in my life. Man, the FFA surfing I could do from that island, on my laptop, sipping a beer, with games on the TV over in the family room. Christ, I can't spend the money fast enough....
Gorgeous Oats. Enjoy the new digs!
It's not ours yet. Lots of negotiation ahead if we decide to pull the trigger. The sellers have it priced well above market since they gut renovated it down to the studs and think they therefore should get more for it. Even their broker admitted it was priced "a little aggressively." I agree they should go a little above value given the awesome whole house reno, but not as far as they are. It's nearly 5k square feet inside when you include the finished basement, and is really awesomely done and the PERFECT layout and flow for us, but the catch is that outside it just looks like a very average house, and on a smallish piece of property. At this price point, you would expect to be blown away from the curb. Then again, as I said to my wife, we're not going to be spending all that much time at the curb, and who gives a crap what anyone thinks. It's what's inside that counts, brah.
What neighborhood?

 
Curious how insane housing cost are on LI. If the rest of the house is as epic as the kitchen/living room I'm guessing > $1.5M for the new pad?

 
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I have a rental that I'm ready to sell. I'd like to sell it to the current tenants. If I go that route, bypassing re-alTORs, what could I expect to pay an attorney? How specialized does the lawyer need to be? I know several attorneys in the area from private practice, to corporate, to Estate lawyer. Could one of them (the Estate lawyer or private practice attorney ostensibly) handle it?

 
Is 5% really the new norm? I'll raise this for sure. :hifive:
norm is 6%.

Anyone that does it for less isn't going to put in the same effort. It costs $$ for the listing agent to market your property.
Last 2 houses I've sold and bought were all done at 5 and my wife's best friend who sells houses to Broncos players also works at 5.
My real estate attorney told me flat-out the going rate in MA right now is 5%. that was before I listed FSBO offering 2.5% to a buyer's broker.

 
We sold our house last year and knocked our broker down from 6% to 4.5%. We had used him before to sell our condo (took 5 days) and he was also our buyer agent on the home we were now selling. Additionally, we had referred a few people to him and I told him he had to take 2% and could offer 2.5% for the buyer's side.

 
Never. Do your own research and see what homes are listing for around you. You know what homes are most comparable to yours.

When we went to list, our REALTOR wanted us to list for about $10k than we should have. Her comps were from one neighborhood over that was filled with older homes and wasn't as nice as our 'hood. I told her what it should be listed at, she hesitated but I knew the price was right.

 
Never. Do your own research and see what homes are listing for around you. You know what homes are most comparable to yours.

When we went to list, our REALTOR wanted us to list for about $10k than we should have. Her comps were from one neighborhood over that was filled with older homes and wasn't as nice as our 'hood. I told her what it should be listed at, she hesitated but I knew the price was right.
:no:

Can't stress this enough.

So many people get wrong impressions of their homes by going off listed houses. Anyone can list their house for a billion dollars if they want.

Research what homes sold for, that will give you a more precise MV comp then use current listings to decide how you want your house to fit in.

 
Never. Do your own research and see what homes are listing for around you. You know what homes are most comparable to yours.

When we went to list, our REALTOR wanted us to list for about $10k than we should have. Her comps were from one neighborhood over that was filled with older homes and wasn't as nice as our 'hood. I told her what it should be listed at, she hesitated but I knew the price was right.
:no:

Can't stress this enough.

So many people get wrong impressions of their homes by going off listed houses. Anyone can list their house for a billion dollars if they want.

Research what homes sold for, that will give you a more precise MV comp then use current listings to decide how you want your house to fit in.
Beat me to it...."sold" is the key here not "for sale"

 
johnnycakes said:
Drifter said:
Getzlaf15 said:
Is 5% really the new norm? I'll raise this for sure. :hifive:
norm is 6%.

Anyone that does it for less isn't going to put in the same effort. It costs $$ for the listing agent to market your property.
Last 2 houses I've sold and bought were all done at 5 and my wife's best friend who sells houses to Broncos players also works at 5.
My real estate attorney told me flat-out the going rate in MA right now is 5%. that was before I listed FSBO offering 2.5% to a buyer's broker.
Pretty sweet. Spoke to the broker today and asked if the commission would be "standard 6%." Probably stupid on my part, but she's a family friend. She said no way, usually it's 5%, but she does a 4% rate for friends. :hifive:

 

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