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Tulsi Gabbard 2020 (1 Viewer)

Henry Ford said:
I understand you have differing views, but it is entirely inappropriate for her to have flown to Syria and met with Assad without notifying the government in 2017. 
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I agree with that. How important would you say that is to you when you look for a President?

 
Henry Ford said:
Right now I find it very important that my President not run to meet with Russian allies unannounced, likely illegally, and with no stated agenda and then come home and support them. 
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Sounds like she is the same as our current president with the Syria episode.  You make a good point, two peas in the pod?

 
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proninja said:
I should like Tulsi Gabbard. I did when I first heard about her. 

But she really gives me a weird vibe that I don't particularly trust, the Assad thing aside. And then there's the Assad thing. 
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I like Tulsi but fellow dems will destroy her..she bashed Obama for failing to acknowledge Islam is a threat.   That won`t fly with hard liners.

 
proninja said:
I should like Tulsi Gabbard. I did when I first heard about her. 

But she really gives me a weird vibe that I don't particularly trust, the Assad thing aside. And then there's the Assad thing. 
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Definitely a waste of time for her to run, she’s not going anywhere.

 
Many definitions of millenial start at 1980, so if someone has an early January birthday they could be up to 39 years old, so people younger than 25 or so probably need to find a new name. 

Also, Gabbard is terrible and I would be wholly unsurprised if she is running to try and split a more left vote on people that do not recall her history. She is a massive warhawk who gazes longingly at Putin because he is bombing Assad's enemies. She is also pushed anti-gay and anti muslim legislation. She is either nuts or an idiot. 

 
huthut said:
Many definitions of millenial start at 1980, so if someone has an early January birthday they could be up to 39 years old, so people younger than 25 or so probably need to find a new name. 

Also, Gabbard is terrible and I would be wholly unsurprised if she is running to try and split a more left vote on people that do not recall her history. She is a massive warhawk who gazes longingly at Putin because he is bombing Assad's enemies. She is also pushed anti-gay and anti muslim legislation. She is either nuts or an idiot. 
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Try to be more tolerant..people change. Gabbard is a Democrat now.

 
I've seen several posts expressing concern with Gabbard's hawkishness. Can anyone provide a link to her hawkish positions? Most of what I'm seeing has painted her as very dovish so I'm wondering if I'm missing something here.

 
Kyle Griffin‏ @kylegriffin1 15m15 minutes ago

Mazie Hirono on Tulsi Gabbard:

"I wish everyone well. But for myself and these times ... I want someone who is very much has been on the page in terms of supporting equal opportunity, choice, all of the kinds issues that I have been fighting for for decades." @MSNBC

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Yeah, hawkishness does not seem to be an accurate descriptor.  But there are a number of other red flags  for me in this article from 2017:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/11/06/what-does-tulsi-gabbard-believe
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Like what? Her meeting with Assad is a problem but the article suggests she was a Trump proxy, which I do not believe. Do you? They spent nearly half of the article on Butler and her relationship with him. That? Look - I think all religion is silly, but people can believe in whatever they want to help them get through the day. I can't find anything about Gabbard's actions so far that suggests her religion is going to cause her to have poor decision making.

 
Dedfin said:
Like what? Her meeting with Assad is a problem but the article suggests she was a Trump proxy, which I do not believe. Do you? They spent nearly half of the article on Butler and her relationship with him. That? Look - I think all religion is silly, but people can believe in whatever they want to help them get through the day. I can't find anything about Gabbard's actions so far that suggests her religion is going to cause her to have poor decision making.
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The religion stuff, the Assad thing, her past anti-same sex marriage advocacy, her general tendency to act in unorthodox ways. Even the way they describe her joining the military seemed kinda opportunistic and contrived.  I just don’t know that I see the kind of track record that gives me confidence. 

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Dedfin said:
Like what? Her meeting with Assad is a problem but the article suggests she was a Trump proxy, which I do not believe. Do you? They spent nearly half of the article on Butler and her relationship with him. That? Look - I think all religion is silly, but people can believe in whatever they want to help them get through the day. I can't find anything about Gabbard's actions so far that suggests her religion is going to cause her to have poor decision making.
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The religion stuff, the Assad thing, her past anti-same sex marriage advocacy, her general tendency to act in unorthodox ways. Even the way they describe her joining the military seemed kinda opportunistic and contrived.  I just don’t know that I see the kind of track record that gives me confidence. 
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I think for me and the possible candidates comes down to a pecking order of my preference.  I put Gabbrard...

Above Warren, Biden, Gillibrand, Booker, Bloomberg, Holder and Castro

About the same as Bernie, Beto, Brown and Harris

Under Klobuchar

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
The religion stuff, the Assad thing, her past anti-same sex marriage advocacy, her general tendency to act in unorthodox ways. Even the way they describe her joining the military seemed kinda opportunistic and contrived.  I just don’t know that I see the kind of track record that gives me confidence. 
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Unless I misread something - she joined the national guard and volunteered to be deployed to the ME. I respect you a lot fatguy, I think the bolded is an ugly way of describing someone volunteering to die in the desert. Thanks for the post, I too am suspicious of the Assad meeting.

 
Dedfin said:
Unless I misread something - she joined the national guard and volunteered to be deployed to the ME. I respect you a lot fatguy, I think the bolded is an ugly way of describing someone volunteering to die in the desert. Thanks for the post, I too am suspicious of the Assad meeting.
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This was the passage that smelled a little funny to me:

As Gabbard was settling into her political career, in 2003, she did something surprising: she joined the National Guard, and, when her brigade was shipped to Iraq, she volunteered to go, even though her name was not on the mandatory-deployment roster. She served as a medical-operations specialist on a base in the Sunni Triangle, and also as a military police officer, before attending officer-candidate school in Alabama, where she excelled; a second deployment took her to Kuwait. She often cites her time in the Middle East when asked to explain her political reinvention. By the time she ran for Congress, in 2012, Gabbard was presenting herself as a more or less orthodox progressive, pro-choice and pro-same-sex-marriage. “Experiencing as a woman, firsthand, the impacts of countries that are acting as moral arbiters for their people—it really caused me to rethink the positions I held,” she says. This realization was well timed, because it enabled her to win a Democratic primary in a state that was increasingly blue.

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but it felt to me like her decision to join the military, and her subsequent flip on social issues, were both motivated by her political ambitions.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
This was the passage that smelled a little funny to me:

As Gabbard was settling into her political career, in 2003, she did something surprising: she joined the National Guard, and, when her brigade was shipped to Iraq, she volunteered to go, even though her name was not on the mandatory-deployment roster. She served as a medical-operations specialist on a base in the Sunni Triangle, and also as a military police officer, before attending officer-candidate school in Alabama, where she excelled; a second deployment took her to Kuwait. She often cites her time in the Middle East when asked to explain her political reinvention. By the time she ran for Congress, in 2012, Gabbard was presenting herself as a more or less orthodox progressive, pro-choice and pro-same-sex-marriage. “Experiencing as a woman, firsthand, the impacts of countries that are acting as moral arbiters for their people—it really caused me to rethink the positions I held,” she says. This realization was well timed, because it enabled her to win a Democratic primary in a state that was increasingly blue.

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but it felt to me like her decision to join the military, and her subsequent flip on social issues, were both motivated by her political ambitions. 
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I won't claim to know what's in anybody's heart. But it seems to me there's got a be an easier way to re-brand oneself politically than volunteering to go to Iraq.

 
When a guy who spends most of his time defending Wikileaks and ridiculing Dems for caring too much about the Russia investigation goes on the Tucker Carlson show to defend you, you're really hitting on all cylinders when it comes to winning over Dem primary voters.

 
TobiasFunke said:
When a guy who spends most of his time defending Wikileaks and ridiculing Dems for caring too much about the Russia investigation goes on the Tucker Carlson show to defend you, you're really hitting on all cylinders when it comes to winning over Dem primary voters.
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Glenn Greenwald really dropped off the deep end.  As recently as 3-4 years ago he was a guy I didn't necessarily agree with all the time, but was at least interesting and thought-provoking.  It's like he sprinted off into "nut" territory.

 
Murph said:
I won't claim to know what's in anybody's heart. But it seems to me there's got a be an easier way to re-brand oneself politically than volunteering to go to Iraq.
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It is pretty easy to change a story to fit what happened in the past to make it sound better than political expediency. I don't know if that is what she did, but it is not something uncommon. 

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Glenn Greenwald really dropped off the deep end.  As recently as 3-4 years ago he was a guy I didn't necessarily agree with all the time, but was at least interesting and thought-provoking.  It's like he sprinted off into "nut" territory.
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no kidding.  he went off the deep end.

 
Commish mention the Joe Rogan interview with Gabbard.  I watched some of it and she actually seemed the part.  Serious but likable.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
This was the passage that smelled a little funny to me:

As Gabbard was settling into her political career, in 2003, she did something surprising: she joined the National Guard, and, when her brigade was shipped to Iraq, she volunteered to go, even though her name was not on the mandatory-deployment roster. She served as a medical-operations specialist on a base in the Sunni Triangle, and also as a military police officer, before attending officer-candidate school in Alabama, where she excelled; a second deployment took her to Kuwait. She often cites her time in the Middle East when asked to explain her political reinvention. By the time she ran for Congress, in 2012, Gabbard was presenting herself as a more or less orthodox progressive, pro-choice and pro-same-sex-marriage. “Experiencing as a woman, firsthand, the impacts of countries that are acting as moral arbiters for their people—it really caused me to rethink the positions I held,” she says. This realization was well timed, because it enabled her to win a Democratic primary in a state that was increasingly blue.

Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but it felt to me like her decision to join the military, and her subsequent flip on social issues, were both motivated by her political ambitions.
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I viewed Kamala Harris this way when she was the DA in SF.  I like her positions on issues, but I've always had a hard time trusting her because it seemed everything she did was just laying the groundwork to advance herself politically.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
Glenn Greenwald really dropped off the deep end.  As recently as 3-4 years ago he was a guy I didn't necessarily agree with all the time, but was at least interesting and thought-provoking.  It's like he sprinted off into "nut" territory.
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What did he actually say that leads you to believe he "dropped off the deep end" ?  

 
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David Duke endorses Gabbard

Does he know she isn't white?
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not a fan, but in her defense

Congresswoman and presidential hopeful Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) rejected an endorsement from white supremacist and former KKK leader David Duke in a Tuesday statement to The Daily Beast. “I have strongly denounced David Duke’s hateful views and his so-called ‘support’ multiple times in the past, and reject his support,” the congresswoman wrote, citing two examples of past rejections on Twitter.

 
cosjobs said:
not a fan, but in her defense

Congresswoman and presidential hopeful Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) rejected an endorsement from white supremacist and former KKK leader David Duke in a Tuesday statement to The Daily Beast. “I have strongly denounced David Duke’s hateful views and his so-called ‘support’ multiple times in the past, and reject his support,” the congresswoman wrote, citing two examples of past rejections on Twitter.
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I'm not all that concerned with her response to his endorsement, but it's concerning that her words and actions have drawn endorsements from the likes of Duke.  She's made some pretty questionable comments about Muslims on top of her questionable comments and actions relating to Assad.  She's also made some odd allies on the extreme conservative/evangelical side in Washington and has supported religious extremists. She's also been strongly anti LGBT rights, although now she claims she isn't.  She's a social conservative with a D next to her name.

 
Tulsi is held to a higher standard and not sure why.  I guess we are used to draft dodgers and not people who actually served.  

She had dumb views young on gays.  Now check out her voting records.  I know at least one gay activist group gave her 100% approval.  

Just because she is anti intervention does mean she is pro Assad.  

Plus, of course, she is easy on the eyes.  

 
IC FBGCav said:
Tulsi is held to a higher standard and not sure why.  I guess we are used to draft dodgers and not people who actually served.  

She had dumb views young on gays.  Now check out her voting records.  I know at least one gay activist group gave her 100% approval.  

Just because she is anti intervention does mean she is pro Assad.  

Plus, of course, she is easy on the eyes.  
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I heard a bit of her this morning on Morning Joe.

She has a message - but I am not sure she knows how to deliver it to the American public.  She won't get any favors from the media - it was a tough (but fair) interview from the Morning Joe crew on her stances on war, Syria, Russian Bots, David Duke, etc.

I think she will struggle to make it to Iowa - particularly if reports of a campaign that is already in disarray are true.  (Its too early to know if some of these news reports are simply biased reporting from people who are closer to a different candidate).

Her best chance at sticking around, is to get out and talk to people, she could use a good Internet/Social Media team to let people get to know who she is now - before they are deluged by negative reporting.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I heard a bit of her this morning on Morning Joe.

She has a message - but I am not sure she knows how to deliver it to the American public.  She won't get any favors from the media - it was a tough (but fair) interview from the Morning Joe crew on her stances on war, Syria, Russian Bots, David Duke, etc.

I think she will struggle to make it to Iowa - particularly if reports of a campaign that is already in disarray are true.  (Its too early to know if some of these news reports are simply biased reporting from people who are closer to a different candidate).

Her best chance at sticking around, is to get out and talk to people, she could use a good Internet/Social Media team to let people get to know who she is now - before they are deluged by negative reporting.
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I agree.  Not with her on all her issues but she is a legit person that cares about the people it seems and I like that.

 
What I really like is she introduced a bill (other have too) that will all but eliminate voter fraud using a paper confirmation.  To no surprise, it gets no traction on either side. 

 
Henry Ford said:
Yeah, he also knows she’s the most anti-Muslim candidate.  Possibly including Trump. 
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Would her religion play a role in this. I seem to remember quite a bit of hindu/muslim animosity particularly in and around tge Subcontinent

 
For the first time since Clintons 2nd term I am looking for a Dem I can get behind.  She sure doesn't come off as a war hawk.  It seems to me she comes off more as anti war,  anti interventionist and anti Military Industrial complex.  I'm tired of endless wars we have basically been at war my whole life we never learn.  So if she continues to be anti war I could definitely support her no matter if she is left or right.

This is another view on her MSNBC interview    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/tulsi-gabbard-is-driving-the-msm-bat-####-crazy-e4c3bfc312a1

 
rustycolts said:
This is another view on her MSNBC interview    https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/tulsi-gabbard-is-driving-the-msm-bat-####-crazy-e4c3bfc312a1
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I encourage you to click on the link to the author’s other articles on that site. She is a Putin apologist who thinks that the FBI shouldn’t exist, and that the Russia investigation is a hoax that amounts to McCarthyism. (And, yeah, she’s a big Tulsi Gabbard fan. Those things seem to go hand-in-hand for some reason.)

 
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ren hoek said:
How is Assad an enemy or adversary of the US?  Syria has done nothing to us.  

Decrepit line of questioning by this MSNBC panel.  
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Personally, I’m always the most proud of the USA when we stand up to evil. But not everyone feels that way. 

 
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