Tush Push - Do the rules apply for this play or not? Doesn't seem like it (3 Viewers)

[Stinkin Ref]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

I have to be honest....just had the game on view....didn't switch over to sound until I saw daboll's head exploding......I know I have a hard time hearing the whistles through a broadcast sometime...

 

[smbkrypt24]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

I have to be honest....just had the game on view....didn't switch over to sound until I saw daboll's head exploding......I know I have a hard time hearing the whistles through a broadcast sometime...

I thought the same thing that the whistle came after the fumble, but I thought maybe I was mistaken or something since no one was pointing that out.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

A lot of the issues could be cleared up quickly if they allowed false starts to be included in the video replay assist. Many times it’s obvious on video and probably a lot harder to call in real time.

while I would agree....false starts are supposed to be called immediately and you can't really allow a play to play out and then call it back because of false starts....(again this goes back to a safety thing as they don't want players completing plays that aren't even going to count)....there would have to be some instantaneous way for replay assist to "stop" a play....just not sure that's possible...

 

[Bossman]

Seems this play would be used a lot less off officials called the false starts by the guards that we can all see on replay...
How can they see a false starts on other plays but somehow are blind to it on these plays?

and now the obvious fumble that would have been a two yard gain if Hurts holds the ball and manages to lunge (or get pushed forward) with a second or third effort there.
Crazy PHI gets the benefit either way. NFL should be embarrassed today.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I should add that if they are going to review all scoring and turnover plays....that I think the "whole" play should be reviewable including a missed false start....those would be the situations where I think replay assist could come in and "get the call right" even though the play was allowed to play out....

 

[Zeppelin]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

I have to be honest....just had the game on view....didn't switch over to sound until I saw daboll's head exploding......I know I have a hard time hearing the whistles through a broadcast sometime...

I thought the same thing that the whistle came after the fumble, but I thought maybe I was mistaken or something since no one was pointing that out.

They replayed it in real time and it was clearly well after the fumble.

 

[smbkrypt24]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

I have to be honest....just had the game on view....didn't switch over to sound until I saw daboll's head exploding......I know I have a hard time hearing the whistles through a broadcast sometime...

I thought the same thing that the whistle came after the fumble, but I thought maybe I was mistaken or something since no one was pointing that out.

They replayed it in real time and it was clearly well after the fumble.

Ridiculous.

 

[unckeyherb]

This will be the last year it's allowed. Refs don't know how to officiate it.

Probably the smartest statement made regarding this play. Especially for the resaon why.

Not sure if you all watched the entire game yesterday. The refs were especially bad the entire day, not just on this one call.

That pretty much doesn't do anything to shut up those that think the NFL is rigged.

Yesterday's PHI/NY game was one of the worst officiated games I watch in a long time. There were more than a handful of calls where it was patently obvious the refs made a bad call.

Nice deflection away from the tush push this thread is about.

Well for me, the current discussion isn't really isolated to the tush push. The overall refereeing was bad for not only that one play, but multiple plays throughout the game. You're arguing that a certain play needs to be banned because the refs missed this one particular call while ignoring all the other plays where the refs missed calls. Then people will argue that refs miss false starts while having the luxury of watching a play in super slow motion. It seems people who don't like the tush push will find any reason to cling to to try and ban it. This argument is just another, in a long-list of arguments that just kind of fall flat for me. Officials can't do their job, it's too hard, let's ban a play.

It seems to me only the Eagles benefit from the bad officiating of this play. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nope, not correct, the Eagles have been penalized on this play in the past. (see, NFCD game vs. LAR, 4th quarter 13:26 left, 4th and goal at the 1, Lane Johnson called for false start)

So you had to go back to last year, got it.

A divisional playoff game where the winning team gets to host the NFCCG. At the time the Eagles were up 1 point, in the 4th quarter. Seems like a much more important example to use than any regular season game. But your post didn't place a time limit on play, you can move the goalposts all you want. We both know your position isn't really that strong here.

So they have been called once out of 178 times they ran it when it should be called probably closer to 50-60% of the times they run it?

No, they've been called for false starts multiple times. Using the refs ability/inability to officiate false starts seems like a strange angle to take to ban a play. How many penalties would be acceptable for you. You can literally call holding on the offensive line every play, what is acceptable and what isn't?

For a false start? It should be called 100% of the time.

How about every time the defense is lined up in the neutral zone? Which is almost every time.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

Seems this play would be used a lot less off officials called the false starts by the guards that we can all see on replay...
How can they see a false starts on other plays but somehow are blind to it on these plays?

and now the obvious fumble that would have been a two yard gain if Hurts holds the ball and manages to lunge (or get pushed forward) with a second or third effort there.
Crazy PHI gets the benefit either way. NFL should be embarrassed today.

bolded....this comes to to the unique "bunched" way they line up on the play and getting lower, etc....the lack of spacing between the players makes it difficult....and on these plays we are really talking milliseconds (which is all they need) of getting a head start...it often appears simultaneous to the naked eye at "live speed" ....and not until you see slow motion replay can you really tell they got a head start....it's just tough...

 

[Gally]

This will be the last year it's allowed. Refs don't know how to officiate it.

Probably the smartest statement made regarding this play. Especially for the resaon why.

Not sure if you all watched the entire game yesterday. The refs were especially bad the entire day, not just on this one call.

That pretty much doesn't do anything to shut up those that think the NFL is rigged.

Yesterday's PHI/NY game was one of the worst officiated games I watch in a long time. There were more than a handful of calls where it was patently obvious the refs made a bad call.

Nice deflection away from the tush push this thread is about.

Well for me, the current discussion isn't really isolated to the tush push. The overall refereeing was bad for not only that one play, but multiple plays throughout the game. You're arguing that a certain play needs to be banned because the refs missed this one particular call while ignoring all the other plays where the refs missed calls. Then people will argue that refs miss false starts while having the luxury of watching a play in super slow motion. It seems people who don't like the tush push will find any reason to cling to to try and ban it. This argument is just another, in a long-list of arguments that just kind of fall flat for me. Officials can't do their job, it's too hard, let's ban a play.

It seems to me only the Eagles benefit from the bad officiating of this play. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nope, not correct, the Eagles have been penalized on this play in the past. (see, NFCD game vs. LAR, 4th quarter 13:26 left, 4th and goal at the 1, Lane Johnson called for false start)

So you had to go back to last year, got it.

A divisional playoff game where the winning team gets to host the NFCCG. At the time the Eagles were up 1 point, in the 4th quarter. Seems like a much more important example to use than any regular season game. But your post didn't place a time limit on play, you can move the goalposts all you want. We both know your position isn't really that strong here.

So they have been called once out of 178 times they ran it when it should be called probably closer to 50-60% of the times they run it?

No, they've been called for false starts multiple times. Using the refs ability/inability to officiate false starts seems like a strange angle to take to ban a play. How many penalties would be acceptable for you. You can literally call holding on the offensive line every play, what is acceptable and what isn't?

For a false start? It should be called 100% of the time.

How about every time the defense is lined up in the neutral zone? Which is almost every time.

Call that too. That should be even easier to call.

ETA: But lining up in the neutral zone is only called once the snap occurs. False starts are called before so it would still be on the Eagles.

 

[unckeyherb]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

I have to be honest....just had the game on view....didn't switch over to sound until I saw daboll's head exploding......I know I have a hard time hearing the whistles through a broadcast sometime...

I thought the same thing that the whistle came after the fumble, but I thought maybe I was mistaken or something since no one was pointing that out.

They replayed it in real time and it was clearly well after the fumble.

Right, it should have been a fumble. But again, that has nothing to do with the play. The whistle didn't blow, the ball came out, they then blew the whistle and then proceeded to make the wrong call. The mistake they made could have been made on any number of plays.

 

[unckeyherb]

This will be the last year it's allowed. Refs don't know how to officiate it.

Probably the smartest statement made regarding this play. Especially for the resaon why.

Not sure if you all watched the entire game yesterday. The refs were especially bad the entire day, not just on this one call.

That pretty much doesn't do anything to shut up those that think the NFL is rigged.

Yesterday's PHI/NY game was one of the worst officiated games I watch in a long time. There were more than a handful of calls where it was patently obvious the refs made a bad call.

Nice deflection away from the tush push this thread is about.

Well for me, the current discussion isn't really isolated to the tush push. The overall refereeing was bad for not only that one play, but multiple plays throughout the game. You're arguing that a certain play needs to be banned because the refs missed this one particular call while ignoring all the other plays where the refs missed calls. Then people will argue that refs miss false starts while having the luxury of watching a play in super slow motion. It seems people who don't like the tush push will find any reason to cling to to try and ban it. This argument is just another, in a long-list of arguments that just kind of fall flat for me. Officials can't do their job, it's too hard, let's ban a play.

It seems to me only the Eagles benefit from the bad officiating of this play. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nope, not correct, the Eagles have been penalized on this play in the past. (see, NFCD game vs. LAR, 4th quarter 13:26 left, 4th and goal at the 1, Lane Johnson called for false start)

So you had to go back to last year, got it.

A divisional playoff game where the winning team gets to host the NFCCG. At the time the Eagles were up 1 point, in the 4th quarter. Seems like a much more important example to use than any regular season game. But your post didn't place a time limit on play, you can move the goalposts all you want. We both know your position isn't really that strong here.

So they have been called once out of 178 times they ran it when it should be called probably closer to 50-60% of the times they run it?

No, they've been called for false starts multiple times. Using the refs ability/inability to officiate false starts seems like a strange angle to take to ban a play. How many penalties would be acceptable for you. You can literally call holding on the offensive line every play, what is acceptable and what isn't?

For a false start? It should be called 100% of the time.

How about every time the defense is lined up in the neutral zone? Which is almost every time.

Call that too. That should be even easier to call.

ETA: But lining up in the neutral zone is only called once the snap occurs. False starts are called before so it would still be on the Eagles.

If they false start you mean. The idea that appears to be germinating in this thread seems to be that the Eagles ALWAYS jump early as a rule. Like its designed that way. That is 100% incorrect. There have been times where the guards have jumped a millisecond early, no doubt. It's been called some times and not called sometimes, just like any other play.

As someone that has watched every single one of these tush push plays I'd be willing to bet that for every one of these examples of the guard jumping early there is an equal number of encroachment penalties that never get called. +

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

 

[JohnnyU]

This will be the last year it's allowed. Refs don't know how to officiate it.

Probably the smartest statement made regarding this play. Especially for the resaon why.

Not sure if you all watched the entire game yesterday. The refs were especially bad the entire day, not just on this one call.

That pretty much doesn't do anything to shut up those that think the NFL is rigged.

Yesterday's PHI/NY game was one of the worst officiated games I watch in a long time. There were more than a handful of calls where it was patently obvious the refs made a bad call.

Nice deflection away from the tush push this thread is about.

Well for me, the current discussion isn't really isolated to the tush push. The overall refereeing was bad for not only that one play, but multiple plays throughout the game. You're arguing that a certain play needs to be banned because the refs missed this one particular call while ignoring all the other plays where the refs missed calls. Then people will argue that refs miss false starts while having the luxury of watching a play in super slow motion. It seems people who don't like the tush push will find any reason to cling to to try and ban it. This argument is just another, in a long-list of arguments that just kind of fall flat for me. Officials can't do their job, it's too hard, let's ban a play.

It seems to me only the Eagles benefit from the bad officiating of this play. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nope, not correct, the Eagles have been penalized on this play in the past. (see, NFCD game vs. LAR, 4th quarter 13:26 left, 4th and goal at the 1, Lane Johnson called for false start)

So you had to go back to last year, got it.

A divisional playoff game where the winning team gets to host the NFCCG. At the time the Eagles were up 1 point, in the 4th quarter. Seems like a much more important example to use than any regular season game. But your post didn't place a time limit on play, you can move the goalposts all you want. We both know your position isn't really that strong here.

So they have been called once out of 178 times they ran it when it should be called probably closer to 50-60% of the times they run it?

No, they've been called for false starts multiple times. Using the refs ability/inability to officiate false starts seems like a strange angle to take to ban a play. How many penalties would be acceptable for you. You can literally call holding on the offensive line every play, what is acceptable and what isn't?

For a false start? It should be called 100% of the time.

I remember that right guard for the Chiefs false starting on every pass play last year and got away with it. I can’t remember his name. Is he still with them? Anyway, the tush push false starts reminded me of that.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

This will be the last year it's allowed. Refs don't know how to officiate it.

Probably the smartest statement made regarding this play. Especially for the resaon why.

Not sure if you all watched the entire game yesterday. The refs were especially bad the entire day, not just on this one call.

That pretty much doesn't do anything to shut up those that think the NFL is rigged.

Yesterday's PHI/NY game was one of the worst officiated games I watch in a long time. There were more than a handful of calls where it was patently obvious the refs made a bad call.

Nice deflection away from the tush push this thread is about.

Well for me, the current discussion isn't really isolated to the tush push. The overall refereeing was bad for not only that one play, but multiple plays throughout the game. You're arguing that a certain play needs to be banned because the refs missed this one particular call while ignoring all the other plays where the refs missed calls. Then people will argue that refs miss false starts while having the luxury of watching a play in super slow motion. It seems people who don't like the tush push will find any reason to cling to to try and ban it. This argument is just another, in a long-list of arguments that just kind of fall flat for me. Officials can't do their job, it's too hard, let's ban a play.

It seems to me only the Eagles benefit from the bad officiating of this play. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nope, not correct, the Eagles have been penalized on this play in the past. (see, NFCD game vs. LAR, 4th quarter 13:26 left, 4th and goal at the 1, Lane Johnson called for false start)

So you had to go back to last year, got it.

A divisional playoff game where the winning team gets to host the NFCCG. At the time the Eagles were up 1 point, in the 4th quarter. Seems like a much more important example to use than any regular season game. But your post didn't place a time limit on play, you can move the goalposts all you want. We both know your position isn't really that strong here.

So they have been called once out of 178 times they ran it when it should be called probably closer to 50-60% of the times they run it?

No, they've been called for false starts multiple times. Using the refs ability/inability to officiate false starts seems like a strange angle to take to ban a play. How many penalties would be acceptable for you. You can literally call holding on the offensive line every play, what is acceptable and what isn't?

For a false start? It should be called 100% of the time.

I remember that right guard for the Chiefs false starting on every pass play last year and got away with it. I can’t remember his name. Is he still with them? Anyway, the tush push false starts reminded me of that.

thats Taylor... and yes will still have him...... and yes he still starts..... and yes he still false starts like you get paid extra if you do.....and yes 90% of the time he is lined up in the backfield....but for some reason he has been flying under the radar lately....probably because of the attention to the tush push....so let's just leave him alone and not talk about him for a few more months...

 

[BladeRunner]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

Apparently, none of the reasons for hating it and wanting it gone are valid according to @Pickle Rody. "Blathering nonsense" is what he calls it. Only HIS reasons for keeping it are valid.

 

[fred_1_15301]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

Why wasn't it overturned then? The play was challenged.

 

[JohnnyU]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

Why wasn't it overturned then? The play was challenged.

It doesn’t fit the planned narrative

 

[Gally]

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more.

The whistle was clearly blown after the fumble.

Why wasn't it overturned then? The play was challenged.

They deemed Hurts down by "forward progress" being stopped which is not reviewable. Doesn't matter when the whistle blew

 

[renesauz]

soooooo....I feel compelled to defend the refs a little here....this play, or any QB sneak/RB dive into the middle of the pile is indeed one of the hardest plays to officiate.....even at the middle school or high school level....the side officials are considered the primary officials on this play and they are the only ones with a view down the line of scrimmage.....once the play starts, you have masses of human bodies piling up onto each other and often you lose site of the ball and have NO clue.....like seriously NO clue where the ball is at....add to the fact that a football field is 53 and half yards wide (160 feet) and you have officials trying call this play starting basically 80 feet away....the false start themselves are tough let alone "when forward progress" stops.....

personally I feel this play has been under so much scrutiny that the officials who have the Eagles games are being told to make this play a priority and in doing so, have probably felt the pressure to now kill the play as soon as possible to take away the advantage that many of you mentioned above about the Eagles getting to keep pushing and pushing and pushing.....before a whistle is blown....

well in complaining about that, you are asking the officials NOT to let them keep pushing and pushing and pushing.....basically saying you want them to kill the play before the Eagles keep pushing and pushing and getting the benefit of a "patient whistle" ......so now when the officials kill the play quickly, plays like yesterday happen and you want a fumble.....all of this basically confirms that the play is hard to officiate...because as this thread points out....the refs can't get it right for you guys no matter what they do.....

Ignore the Tush push part of it for a minute. The NFL forward progress definition might be worse than the catch rule at this point. What is even the rule? If you get stopped for a second, then surge forward for the first down on ANY play, they call that second effort and give you a first down. If you get stopped for a second, but then go backwards, you get it up where you initially got stopped. If you get stopped for a second, but then fumble, ball to the offense. Is that roughly how its always called now? So essentially the refs are playing advantage like soccer, nothing after that initial stop can hurt you, you can gain more, but nothing bad can happen.

technically as soon as an official determines forward progress has stopped, the whistle is supposed to be blown....whats hard is often we as viewers never really know when the whistle is blown....as an official myself there is a point where even though the ball carrier may be "trying" to fight for extra yardage (second effort)....he just isn't getting any further so we are supposed to blow the whistle (to help avoid injury etc.) ....there is a little bit of a gray area and when to blow the whistle is a judgment call...it really comes down to an official having to decide if the defender has done enough to stop the play or does the ball carrier still have a chance to keep going forward....it's kind of hard to explain but it's a lot like pr0n....you know it when you see it....what causes problems is if an official doesn't put air in the whistle at the time they have determined forward progress to have stopped....and I think that is a problem at the NFL level because the officials are encouraged to let the play "play out" because they can always fall back on replay.....but if forward progress is determined to have stopped before a fumble....there is no replay...

on the play in question here.....it must have been a very quick whistle because Hurts was still in the process of extending his arms forward when the ball became loose....and we are used to seeing this "play out" a little more....if I'm Daboll....between that and the OPI I'm probably getting two 15 yards flags and getting myself kicked out on principle.....those were two game changing plays that NYG got hosed on IMO....

I agree both should have gone the other way...but I also think neither was an egregious miss. There are questionable calls every game every week. You can easily see what the refs saw in both case and why they ruled what they did, even if it they were "bad" calls.
By the letter of the law it was OPI....it was just weak AF...that gets called maybe once in 10 or more similar occurrences. Both were heavy blows to the Giants and certainly helped determine the final score. And THAT said, I don't think it changed the outcome, Eagles had control of that game and won by multiple scores. You know they don't play it exactly the same either if you take those two plays back.

 

[renesauz]

This will be the last year it's allowed. Refs don't know how to officiate it.

Probably the smartest statement made regarding this play. Especially for the resaon why.

Not sure if you all watched the entire game yesterday. The refs were especially bad the entire day, not just on this one call.

That pretty much doesn't do anything to shut up those that think the NFL is rigged.

Yesterday's PHI/NY game was one of the worst officiated games I watch in a long time. There were more than a handful of calls where it was patently obvious the refs made a bad call.

Nice deflection away from the tush push this thread is about.

Well for me, the current discussion isn't really isolated to the tush push. The overall refereeing was bad for not only that one play, but multiple plays throughout the game. You're arguing that a certain play needs to be banned because the refs missed this one particular call while ignoring all the other plays where the refs missed calls. Then people will argue that refs miss false starts while having the luxury of watching a play in super slow motion. It seems people who don't like the tush push will find any reason to cling to to try and ban it. This argument is just another, in a long-list of arguments that just kind of fall flat for me. Officials can't do their job, it's too hard, let's ban a play.

It seems to me only the Eagles benefit from the bad officiating of this play. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nope, not correct, the Eagles have been penalized on this play in the past. (see, NFCD game vs. LAR, 4th quarter 13:26 left, 4th and goal at the 1, Lane Johnson called for false start)

So you had to go back to last year, got it.

A divisional playoff game where the winning team gets to host the NFCCG. At the time the Eagles were up 1 point, in the 4th quarter. Seems like a much more important example to use than any regular season game. But your post didn't place a time limit on play, you can move the goalposts all you want. We both know your position isn't really that strong here.

So they have been called once out of 178 times they ran it when it should be called probably closer to 50-60% of the times they run it?

No, they've been called for false starts multiple times. Using the refs ability/inability to officiate false starts seems like a strange angle to take to ban a play. How many penalties would be acceptable for you. You can literally call holding on the offensive line every play, what is acceptable and what isn't?

For a false start? It should be called 100% of the time.

I remember that right guard for the Chiefs false starting on every pass play last year and got away with it. I can’t remember his name. Is he still with them? Anyway, the tush push false starts reminded me of that.

A lot of tackles false start every play too

 

[JohnnyU]

This will be the last year it's allowed. Refs don't know how to officiate it.

Probably the smartest statement made regarding this play. Especially for the resaon why.

Not sure if you all watched the entire game yesterday. The refs were especially bad the entire day, not just on this one call.

That pretty much doesn't do anything to shut up those that think the NFL is rigged.

Yesterday's PHI/NY game was one of the worst officiated games I watch in a long time. There were more than a handful of calls where it was patently obvious the refs made a bad call.

Nice deflection away from the tush push this thread is about.

Well for me, the current discussion isn't really isolated to the tush push. The overall refereeing was bad for not only that one play, but multiple plays throughout the game. You're arguing that a certain play needs to be banned because the refs missed this one particular call while ignoring all the other plays where the refs missed calls. Then people will argue that refs miss false starts while having the luxury of watching a play in super slow motion. It seems people who don't like the tush push will find any reason to cling to to try and ban it. This argument is just another, in a long-list of arguments that just kind of fall flat for me. Officials can't do their job, it's too hard, let's ban a play.

It seems to me only the Eagles benefit from the bad officiating of this play. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Nope, not correct, the Eagles have been penalized on this play in the past. (see, NFCD game vs. LAR, 4th quarter 13:26 left, 4th and goal at the 1, Lane Johnson called for false start)

So you had to go back to last year, got it.

A divisional playoff game where the winning team gets to host the NFCCG. At the time the Eagles were up 1 point, in the 4th quarter. Seems like a much more important example to use than any regular season game. But your post didn't place a time limit on play, you can move the goalposts all you want. We both know your position isn't really that strong here.

So they have been called once out of 178 times they ran it when it should be called probably closer to 50-60% of the times they run it?

No, they've been called for false starts multiple times. Using the refs ability/inability to officiate false starts seems like a strange angle to take to ban a play. How many penalties would be acceptable for you. You can literally call holding on the offensive line every play, what is acceptable and what isn't?

For a false start? It should be called 100% of the time.

I remember that right guard for the Chiefs false starting on every pass play last year and got away with it. I can’t remember his name. Is he still with them? Anyway, the tush push false starts reminded me of that.

A lot of tackles false start every play too

A lot don’t. That’s not a good argument. It kind of reminds me when pointing out something someone is doing wrong, they deflect to the others are doing it argument.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

Apparently, none of the reasons for hating it and wanting it gone are valid according to @Pickle Rody. "Blathering nonsense" is what he calls it. Only HIS reasons for keeping it are valid.

Oh I haven’t heard a valid reason to get rid of it, I’m just sick of talking about it. So many good story lines are getting obscured by this nonsense.

 

[Pickle Rody]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

Apparently, none of the reason for hating it and wanting it gone are valid according to @Pickle Rody. "Blathering nonsense" is what he calls it. Only HIS reasons for keeping it are valid.

Incorrect. I do not have a single reason for allowing the play to remain, and have not stated any, other than the fact that none of the offered reasons for eliminating the play actually hold up under unbiased scrutiny.

"Aesthetics" does not work. So what? Plenty of plays exist that do not look "pretty."

"Injury concerns" does not work. Debunked ad nauseum. This is a reason I could easilly support if the facts actually held up. They do not. If this play becomes a true injury concern, please, eliminate it. Player safety is paramount.

"Unfair advantage" does not work. All other teams are welcome to include the play in their offensive repertoire.

"Many fans just do not like it" does not work. So what? Many fans do. I do not like when any QB scrambles, for various reasons. So what? How is that "opinion" relevant at all?

"Not a football play" does not work. This is just another variation of the "I don't like it" excuse. Yes, it is a football play. Everyone knows it is a variation of a QB-Sneak. It is a football play being used in the game of professional football.

"It is a Rugby play" does not work. Another of many variations of the "I dont like it" excuse. It does not matter one single iota what sport the play got it's origins from. So what? Why is that a valid reason to eliminate it? I have asked before. Snark was the reply or it came down to aesthetics. See above ^^

I am sure there are others I am forgetting. Oh well. None of them hold up when viewed with an unbiased eye.

Now, the latest excuse for the elimination of the play is: "The play is TOO DIFFICULT to be officiated properly." I call BULL-S**T. The NFL officials are part-time professional referees. Their job is to officiate to the best of their ability. This play has not changed. It is executed the same way each time. The officials inability to handle this play, after what?, 3+ seasons since its inception into the game of football is not the plays fault and everyone knows it. ANY variation of a QB-Sneak can result in it being difficult for the officials to do their job. They have difficulty with many types of plays, as evidenced weekly. This is the lamest and saddest excuse for elimination of the play I have heard.

Yes. It is difficult to be a NFL Official. Again, so what?

Also, full transparency, I am an Eagles fan and love the play. Again, so what? I would love seeing other teams use the play successfully. Still waiting.

 

[JohnnyU]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

Apparently, none of the reason for hating it and wanting it gone are valid according to @Pickle Rody. "Blathering nonsense" is what he calls it. Only HIS reasons for keeping it are valid.

Incorrect. I do not have a single reason for allowing the play to remain, and have not stated any, other than the fact that none of the offered reasons for eliminating the play actually hold up under unbiased scrutiny.

"Aesthetics" does not work. So what? Plenty of plays exist that do not look "pretty."

"Injury concerns" does not work. Debunked ad nauseum. This is a reason I could easilly support if the facts actually held up. They do not. If this play becomes a true injury concern, please, eliminate it. Player safety is paramount.

"Unfair advantage" does not work. All other teams are welcome to include the play in their offensive repertoire.

"Many fans just do not like it" does not work. So what? Many fans do. I do not like when any QB scrambles, for various reasons. So what? How is that "opinion" relevant at all?

"Not a football play" does not work. This is just another variation of the "I don't like it" excuse. Yes, it is a football play. Everyone knows it is a variation of a QB-Sneak. It is a football play being used in the game of professional football.

"It is a Rugby play" does not work. Another of many variations of the "I dont like it" excuse. It does not matter one single iota what sport the play got it's origins from. So what? Why is that a valid reason to eliminate it? I have asked before. Snark was the reply or it came down to aesthetics. See above ^^

I am sure there are others I am forgetting. Oh well. None of them hold up when viewed with an unbiased eye.

Now, the latest excuse for the elimination of the play is: "The play is TOO DIFFICULT to be officiated properly." I call BULL-S**T. The NFL officials are part-time professional referees. Their job is to officiate to the best of their ability. This play has not changed. It is executed the same way each time. The officials inability to handle this play, after what?, 3+ seasons since its inception into the game of football is not the plays fault and everyone knows it. ANY variation of a QB-Sneak can result in it being difficult for the officials to do their job. They have difficulty with many types of plays, as evidenced weekly. This is the lamest and saddest excuse for elimination of the play I have heard.

Yes. It is difficult to be a NFL Official. Again, so what?

Also, full transparency, I am an Eagles fan and love the play. Again, so what? I would love seeing other teams use the play successfully. Still waiting.

…but….but..,but false starts and fumble

 

[Stinkin Ref]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

Apparently, none of the reason for hating it and wanting it gone are valid according to @Pickle Rody. "Blathering nonsense" is what he calls it. Only HIS reasons for keeping it are valid.

Incorrect. I do not have a single reason for allowing the play to remain, and have not stated any, other than the fact that none of the offered reasons for eliminating the play actually hold up under unbiased scrutiny.

"Aesthetics" does not work. So what? Plenty of plays exist that do not look "pretty."

"Injury concerns" does not work. Debunked ad nauseum. This is a reason I could easilly support if the facts actually held up. They do not. If this play becomes a true injury concern, please, eliminate it. Player safety is paramount.

"Unfair advantage" does not work. All other teams are welcome to include the play in their offensive repertoire.

"Many fans just do not like it" does not work. So what? Many fans do. I do not like when any QB scrambles, for various reasons. So what? How is that "opinion" relevant at all?

"Not a football play" does not work. This is just another variation of the "I don't like it" excuse. Yes, it is a football play. Everyone knows it is a variation of a QB-Sneak. It is a football play being used in the game of professional football.

"It is a Rugby play" does not work. Another of many variations of the "I dont like it" excuse. It does not matter one single iota what sport the play got it's origins from. So what? Why is that a valid reason to eliminate it? I have asked before. Snark was the reply or it came down to aesthetics. See above ^^

I am sure there are others I am forgetting. Oh well. None of them hold up when viewed with an unbiased eye.

Now, the latest excuse for the elimination of the play is: "The play is TOO DIFFICULT to be officiated properly." I call BULL-S**T. The NFL officials are part-time professional referees. Their job is to officiate to the best of their ability. This play has not changed. It is executed the same way each time. The officials inability to handle this play, after what?, 3+ seasons since its inception into the game of football is not the plays fault and everyone knows it. ANY variation of a QB-Sneak can result in it being difficult for the officials to do their job. They have difficulty with many types of plays, as evidenced weekly. This is the lamest and saddest excuse for elimination of the play I have heard.

Yes. It is difficult to be a NFL Official. Again, so what?

Also, full transparency, I am an Eagles fan and love the play. Again, so what? I would love seeing other teams use the play successfully. Still waiting.

Going back to the original rule of not letting you push the ball carrier directly in the back would go a long way…push the “pile” ok …not the ball carrier…

 

[Pickle Rody]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

Apparently, none of the reason for hating it and wanting it gone are valid according to @Pickle Rody. "Blathering nonsense" is what he calls it. Only HIS reasons for keeping it are valid.

Incorrect. I do not have a single reason for allowing the play to remain, and have not stated any, other than the fact that none of the offered reasons for eliminating the play actually hold up under unbiased scrutiny.

"Aesthetics" does not work. So what? Plenty of plays exist that do not look "pretty."

"Injury concerns" does not work. Debunked ad nauseum. This is a reason I could easilly support if the facts actually held up. They do not. If this play becomes a true injury concern, please, eliminate it. Player safety is paramount.

"Unfair advantage" does not work. All other teams are welcome to include the play in their offensive repertoire.

"Many fans just do not like it" does not work. So what? Many fans do. I do not like when any QB scrambles, for various reasons. So what? How is that "opinion" relevant at all?

"Not a football play" does not work. This is just another variation of the "I don't like it" excuse. Yes, it is a football play. Everyone knows it is a variation of a QB-Sneak. It is a football play being used in the game of professional football.

"It is a Rugby play" does not work. Another of many variations of the "I dont like it" excuse. It does not matter one single iota what sport the play got it's origins from. So what? Why is that a valid reason to eliminate it? I have asked before. Snark was the reply or it came down to aesthetics. See above ^^

I am sure there are others I am forgetting. Oh well. None of them hold up when viewed with an unbiased eye.

Now, the latest excuse for the elimination of the play is: "The play is TOO DIFFICULT to be officiated properly." I call BULL-S**T. The NFL officials are part-time professional referees. Their job is to officiate to the best of their ability. This play has not changed. It is executed the same way each time. The officials inability to handle this play, after what?, 3+ seasons since its inception into the game of football is not the plays fault and everyone knows it. ANY variation of a QB-Sneak can result in it being difficult for the officials to do their job. They have difficulty with many types of plays, as evidenced weekly. This is the lamest and saddest excuse for elimination of the play I have heard.

Yes. It is difficult to be a NFL Official. Again, so what?

Also, full transparency, I am an Eagles fan and love the play. Again, so what? I would love seeing other teams use the play successfully. Still waiting.

…but….but..,but false starts and fumble

So what? These things occur on varying different types of plays every week. Officiating needs to be better. If you are being sarcastic @JohnnyU , touche!


Alright. After I made the previous post I recalled that I had earlier stated I would stop posting in these "tushy-pushy" threads. Memory lapse. I will make another attempt to remain silent amid the ridiculousness surrounding this play.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

I fully understand the hate for this play. Took me awhile to get here. Get rid of it, let’s just play football.

Apparently, none of the reason for hating it and wanting it gone are valid according to @Pickle Rody. "Blathering nonsense" is what he calls it. Only HIS reasons for keeping it are valid.

Incorrect. I do not have a single reason for allowing the play to remain, and have not stated any, other than the fact that none of the offered reasons for eliminating the play actually hold up under unbiased scrutiny.

"Aesthetics" does not work. So what? Plenty of plays exist that do not look "pretty."

"Injury concerns" does not work. Debunked ad nauseum. This is a reason I could easilly support if the facts actually held up. They do not. If this play becomes a true injury concern, please, eliminate it. Player safety is paramount.

"Unfair advantage" does not work. All other teams are welcome to include the play in their offensive repertoire.

"Many fans just do not like it" does not work. So what? Many fans do. I do not like when any QB scrambles, for various reasons. So what? How is that "opinion" relevant at all?

"Not a football play" does not work. This is just another variation of the "I don't like it" excuse. Yes, it is a football play. Everyone knows it is a variation of a QB-Sneak. It is a football play being used in the game of professional football.

"It is a Rugby play" does not work. Another of many variations of the "I dont like it" excuse. It does not matter one single iota what sport the play got it's origins from. So what? Why is that a valid reason to eliminate it? I have asked before. Snark was the reply or it came down to aesthetics. See above ^^

I am sure there are others I am forgetting. Oh well. None of them hold up when viewed with an unbiased eye.

Now, the latest excuse for the elimination of the play is: "The play is TOO DIFFICULT to be officiated properly." I call BULL-S**T. The NFL officials are part-time professional referees. Their job is to officiate to the best of their ability. This play has not changed. It is executed the same way each time. The officials inability to handle this play, after what?, 3+ seasons since its inception into the game of football is not the plays fault and everyone knows it. ANY variation of a QB-Sneak can result in it being difficult for the officials to do their job. They have difficulty with many types of plays, as evidenced weekly. This is the lamest and saddest excuse for elimination of the play I have heard.

Yes. It is difficult to be a NFL Official. Again, so what?

Also, full transparency, I am an Eagles fan and love the play. Again, so what? I would love seeing other teams use the play successfully. Still waiting.

Going back to the original rule of not letting you push the ball carrier directly in the back would go a long way…push the “pile” ok …not the ball carrier…

Exactly

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Literally didn’t see the game. Was driving back from watching the Pack lose to Bryce freaking Young.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

You don’t have to imply that some people hate the eagles. I for one have posted it many times

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

You don’t have to imply that some people hate the eagles. I for one have posted it many times

"If ya got hate in yer heart let it out!

Getting people to admit they are hypocrites though...tougher task. Makes you look at yourself a bit more and that makes people uncomfortable.

Under the umbrella of "Admitting you were wrong about...anything" Its a tall tall task for a lot of humans.

 

[Lehigh98]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" Make it make sense.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. View attachment 4877 More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" View attachment 4878 Make it make sense.

Huh. 3 teams that I didn’t see play this weekend. Maybe others saw it. Regardless, I did see multiple OL try to “pull” a runner forward at the GB-Carolina game (once by each team). No flag.

And I continue to believe that pushing runners in the open field is no better than pushing the tush of the QB.

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. View attachment 4877 More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" View attachment 4878 Make it make sense.

Huh. 3 teams that I didn’t see play this weekend. Maybe others saw it. Regardless, I did see multiple OL try to “pull” a runner forward at the GB-Carolina game (once by each team). No flag.

And I continue to believe that pushing runners in the open field is no better than pushing the tush of the QB.

Appreciate the response, but you and I both know its not just you and me talking about this, their is an entire mob and at least 3 separate threads about it but...

No Eagles Tush Push...no big deal

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. View attachment 4877 More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" View attachment 4878 Make it make sense.

Huh. 3 teams that I didn’t see play this weekend. Maybe others saw it. Regardless, I did see multiple OL try to “pull” a runner forward at the GB-Carolina game (once by each team). No flag.

And I continue to believe that pushing runners in the open field is no better than pushing the tush of the QB.

Appreciate the response, but you and I both know its not just you and me talking about this, their is an entire mob and at least 3 separate threads about it but...

No Eagles Tush Push...no big deal

Kudos to the Eagles for not doing it this weekend

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. View attachment 4877 More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" View attachment 4878 Make it make sense.

Huh. 3 teams that I didn’t see play this weekend. Maybe others saw it. Regardless, I did see multiple OL try to “pull” a runner forward at the GB-Carolina game (once by each team). No flag.

And I continue to believe that pushing runners in the open field is no better than pushing the tush of the QB.

Appreciate the response, but you and I both know its not just you and me talking about this, their is an entire mob and at least 3 separate threads about it but...

No Eagles Tush Push...no big deal

Kudos to the Eagles for not doing it this weekend

Kudos to the entire campaign on here by showing their true colors in the old adage "Your silence speaks volumes"

At least we all know where everyone really stands

 

[Gally]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. View attachment 4877 More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" View attachment 4878 Make it make sense.

Huh. 3 teams that I didn’t see play this weekend. Maybe others saw it. Regardless, I did see multiple OL try to “pull” a runner forward at the GB-Carolina game (once by each team). No flag.

And I continue to believe that pushing runners in the open field is no better than pushing the tush of the QB.

Appreciate the response, but you and I both know its not just you and me talking about this, their is an entire mob and at least 3 separate threads about it but...

No Eagles Tush Push...no big deal

Kudos to the Eagles for not doing it this weekend

Kudos to the entire campaign on here by showing their true colors in the old adage "Your silence speaks volumes"

At least we all know where everyone really stands

Other teams doing it doesn't change the fact I still wish they would ban it. I am not sure what more can be said. Should I have come in here and said Bills did a tush push. I still think it should be banned?

 

[Terpman22]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. View attachment 4877 More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" View attachment 4878 Make it make sense.

Huh. 3 teams that I didn’t see play this weekend. Maybe others saw it. Regardless, I did see multiple OL try to “pull” a runner forward at the GB-Carolina game (once by each team). No flag.

And I continue to believe that pushing runners in the open field is no better than pushing the tush of the QB.

Appreciate the response, but you and I both know its not just you and me talking about this, their is an entire mob and at least 3 separate threads about it but...

No Eagles Tush Push...no big deal

Kudos to the Eagles for not doing it this weekend

Kudos to the entire campaign on here by showing their true colors in the old adage "Your silence speaks volumes"

At least we all know where everyone really stands

Other teams doing it doesn't change the fact I still wish they would ban it. I am not sure what more can be said. Should I have come in here and said Bills did a tush push. I still think it should be banned?

I'm not here to tell people what to do, to each their own.

But the facts are

The 2 times in the last 3 years The NFL has tried to ban this play have been when the Eagles went to the Super Bowl.

The only time this thread gets zero action is when the Eagles are on a bye.

And I'm not sure if you are one of the folks that are wishing/hoping this to be better officiated, but one would think after beating this most recent drum of the running list of silly reasons to ban the play being "Refs can't ref!" there would be at least one person that would respond "Ok finally they called a penalty on the play"

But nada.

My point being obviously as an Eagles fan, one might be able to see our POV that it sure as hell seems like our team is being targeted bc of this play.

 

[Gally]

I'm not here to tell people what to do, to each their own.

In actuality I probably should have come in here and called for a ban because my take has always been that I think it gives the offense an unfair advantage once mastered and that eventually most teams would master it and it would be run a lot more. So the fact more teams are running it probably should get more attention for a ban.

 

[Terpman22]

I'm not here to tell people what to do, to each their own.

In actuality I probably should have come in here and called for a ban because my take has always been that I think it gives the offense an unfair advantage once mastered and that eventually most teams would master it and it would be run a lot more. So the fact more teams are running it probably should get more attention for a ban.

Any thoughts on the teams that voted to ban it citing "player safety" that also still run the play, like the Bills?

 

[Gally]

Any thoughts on the teams that voted to ban it citing "player safety" that also still run the play, like the Bills?

No. While there hasn't been any significant injuries caused by the play thus far it does have big humans pushing against big humans and if someone were to get pinned the wrong way or something similar I could see a nasty injury occurring. But I don't see injury as a reason to ban it.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Maybe I'm crazy, but I could have sworn I saw the Tush Push play used a lot this past weekend.

Just not by the Eagles who were on a bye.

Not a peep in here though, which I find very interesting....

Which team did it four plays in a row and gained a total of 1/2 yard on those four plays? Really bummed to have missed that.

I thought you guys would be in here celebrating a team with a bird on their helmet got called for a false start on this last night.

But ya know...wrong Bird team probably, its almost as if.....

Comment I saw on FB...

In other News.. The "tush push" was run multiple times yesterday by different teams and what do you know.. NOBODY is making it a headline in the sports media world Today. View attachment 4877 More interesting is that it was run by the Bills, Seahawks and the Steelers. 3 teams that voted to ban the play due to "player safety concerns" View attachment 4878 Make it make sense.

Huh. 3 teams that I didn’t see play this weekend. Maybe others saw it. Regardless, I did see multiple OL try to “pull” a runner forward at the GB-Carolina game (once by each team). No flag.

And I continue to believe that pushing runners in the open field is no better than pushing the tush of the QB.

Appreciate the response, but you and I both know its not just you and me talking about this, their is an entire mob and at least 3 separate threads about it but...

No Eagles Tush Push...no big deal

Kudos to the Eagles for not doing it this weekend

Kudos to the entire campaign on here by showing their true colors in the old adage "Your silence speaks volumes"

At least we all know where everyone really stands

While watching RZ I caught running their version of it. Their OGs didn’t leave early so there’s that lol