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[FairWarning]

It’s interesting that a lot of guys in here are calling Musk archaic because he is trying to get people back into the office. And its understandable - we are a bunch of old farts with long careers and wives and families and all these responsibilities.

But I can tell you, I know a handful of recently graduated college kids who WANT some kind of office experience. That is where they meet people, actually learn their jobs, go out for beers with their colleagues….etc….

I know some kids who have turned down full work from home jobs because they want to meet people and be around like minded workers.

They are young and are just starting their lives. Don’t assume that concept is so archaic. And as these covid kids grow up who were isolated for two years, they are going to need that office experience. They are going to need to be around people.

Now, I know for some jobs working at home is much better for them, and Musk should be flexible of course. But I can see a shift BACK to the office environment for these young workers who need that kind of thing.

It’s not so much he is asking people to come back occasionally. It’s the demand that they have to, every single day, the next day after the email was sent, or they’re fired.

You’re missing quite a bit of the story there.

Agreed. As a manager I am pretty big on being in the office. But that's not the issue here, it's how he has handled this every step of the way.

It’s been handled very poorly on both sides, which leads to trenching in.

How have the employees handled this poorly? This dope put his thumb over them from minute one.

They spoke out a lot about leaving when there was a possible sale, then got butthurt when it came back on them. It doesn’t mean I agree with how he wants to run it, but he does own it. If they are as valuable as they think, they should have little problem finding a job.

I mean, 75% of them have left so that’s a safe assumption.

He won’t have any problem filling those jobs either.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

How have the employees handled this poorly? This dope put his thumb over them from minute one.

They spoke out a lot about leaving when there was a possible sale, then got butthurt when it came back on them. It doesn’t mean I agree with how he wants to run it, but he does own it. If they are as valuable as they think, they should have little problem finding a job.

I think we have to keep in mind that "Twitter employees" are currently being represented by a handful of recently-fired malcontents whose views are being amplified by the peanut gallery and a dysfunctional legacy media. I don't think it's fair to blame those employees as a group just because some predictable fraction of them happen to be tools.

On the other hand, Musk is individually responsible for doing all this stuff in public. That's not really symmetric.

 

[Dr_Zaius]

I (and my co-workers) are much more productive in the office. It's not really close.

We are trying to develop a physical product. My office has a workshop where I can mock up prototypes and a lab where I can test them. I also need my co-workers available to review them - I'm talking about manufacturing, quality, product marketing, brand marketing, senior management, etc. My marketing team likes to WFH (for obvious reasons) but if I need them to review a potential change, doing it over Teams sucks.

There are some folks on my team that WFH and it makes no difference to me - purchasing and finance, for example. I know it can work, just not for me.

Obviously, if you are'not working on a physical product, YMMV.

I'm in a similar boat, with a fairly large multi-disciplinary group making a physical product. We did a huge amount of work from home in 2020, and in my opinion the drop off was noticeable. Like Ivan said, the things that everyone knew had to be done or were emergencies still got done, but I think a lot of the little details got missed. Or maybe the coworker who's on a different project but gives you a good idea while you're both getting coffee - those interactions largely didn't happen.

My one sister works in a more project manager IT style role, and she's hardly in the office at all and I doubt it matters much. There's definitely a wide spectrum as far as how conducive a job is to WFH.

I will say, while my company is largely back in the office, some of the more senior folks have been given a lot of leeway as far as actual time in the office, which I hope continues. I'm in pretty much every day because I've got a 15 minute commute and there are machines I have to access regularly, but if I have a morning full of meetings I'll just take them from home and head in around lunch to do the more hands-on work in the afternoon.

 

[Capella]

It’s interesting that a lot of guys in here are calling Musk archaic because he is trying to get people back into the office. And its understandable - we are a bunch of old farts with long careers and wives and families and all these responsibilities.

But I can tell you, I know a handful of recently graduated college kids who WANT some kind of office experience. That is where they meet people, actually learn their jobs, go out for beers with their colleagues….etc….

I know some kids who have turned down full work from home jobs because they want to meet people and be around like minded workers.

They are young and are just starting their lives. Don’t assume that concept is so archaic. And as these covid kids grow up who were isolated for two years, they are going to need that office experience. They are going to need to be around people.

Now, I know for some jobs working at home is much better for them, and Musk should be flexible of course. But I can see a shift BACK to the office environment for these young workers who need that kind of thing.

It’s not so much he is asking people to come back occasionally. It’s the demand that they have to, every single day, the next day after the email was sent, or they’re fired.

You’re missing quite a bit of the story there.

Agreed. As a manager I am pretty big on being in the office. But that's not the issue here, it's how he has handled this every step of the way.

It’s been handled very poorly on both sides, which leads to trenching in.

How have the employees handled this poorly? This dope put his thumb over them from minute one.

They spoke out a lot about leaving when there was a possible sale, then got butthurt when it came back on them. It doesn’t mean I agree with how he wants to run it, but he does own it. If they are as valuable as they think, they should have little problem finding a job.

I mean, 75% of them have left so that’s a safe assumption.

He won’t have any problem filling those jobs either.

Maybe but that’s a lot of institutional knowledge out the door.

 

[moleculo]

I (and my co-workers) are much more productive in the office. It's not really close.

We are trying to develop a physical product. My office has a workshop where I can mock up prototypes and a lab where I can test them. I also need my co-workers available to review them - I'm talking about manufacturing, quality, product marketing, brand marketing, senior management, etc. My marketing team likes to WFH (for obvious reasons) but if I need them to review a potential change, doing it over Teams sucks.

There are some folks on my team that WFH and it makes no difference to me - purchasing and finance, for example. I know it can work, just not for me.

Obviously, if you are'not working on a physical product, YMMV.

I'm in a similar boat, with a fairly large multi-disciplinary group making a physical product. We did a huge amount of work from home in 2020, and in my opinion the drop off was noticeable. Like Ivan said, the things that everyone knew had to be done or were emergencies still got done, but I think a lot of the little details got missed. Or maybe the coworker who's on a different project but gives you a good idea while you're both getting coffee - those interactions largely didn't happen.

My one sister works in a more project manager IT style role, and she's hardly in the office at all and I doubt it matters much. There's definitely a wide spectrum as far as how conducive a job is to WFH.

I will say, while my company is largely back in the office, some of the more senior folks have been given a lot of leeway as far as actual time in the office, which I hope continues. I'm in pretty much every day because I've got a 15 minute commute and there are machines I have to access regularly, but if I have a morning full of meetings I'll just take them from home and head in around lunch to do the more hands-on work in the afternoon.

I do the same. Typically, I will take my 8:00AM conference calls from home and come into the office around 10:00. Helps me beat traffic and I can sleep in a little bit longer, not having to be at the office before 8:00AM.

 

[moleculo]

Someone has to say it: Elon Musk has lied for 27 years about his credentials. He does not have a BS in Physics, or any technical field. Did not get into a PhD program. Dropped out in 1995 & was illegal. Later, investors quietly arranged a diploma - but not in science. 1/

Link

 

[Juxtatarot]

How have the employees handled this poorly? This dope put his thumb over them from minute one.

They spoke out a lot about leaving when there was a possible sale, then got butthurt when it came back on them. It doesn’t mean I agree with how he wants to run it, but he does own it. If they are as valuable as they think, they should have little problem finding a job.

I think we have to keep in mind that "Twitter employees" are currently being represented by a handful of recently-fired malcontents whose views are being amplified by the peanut gallery and a dysfunctional legacy media. I don't think it's fair to blame those employees as a group just because some predictable fraction of them happen to be tools.

On the other hand, Musk is individually responsible for doing all this stuff in public. That's not really symmetric.

What are these former Twitter employees doing that is so bad?

 

[ChiefD]

Someone has to say it: Elon Musk has lied for 27 years about his credentials. He does not have a BS in Physics, or any technical field. Did not get into a PhD program. Dropped out in 1995 & was illegal. Later, investors quietly arranged a diploma - but not in science. 1/

Link

Interesting.

 

[FairWarning]

It’s interesting that a lot of guys in here are calling Musk archaic because he is trying to get people back into the office. And its understandable - we are a bunch of old farts with long careers and wives and families and all these responsibilities.

But I can tell you, I know a handful of recently graduated college kids who WANT some kind of office experience. That is where they meet people, actually learn their jobs, go out for beers with their colleagues….etc….

I know some kids who have turned down full work from home jobs because they want to meet people and be around like minded workers.

They are young and are just starting their lives. Don’t assume that concept is so archaic. And as these covid kids grow up who were isolated for two years, they are going to need that office experience. They are going to need to be around people.

Now, I know for some jobs working at home is much better for them, and Musk should be flexible of course. But I can see a shift BACK to the office environment for these young workers who need that kind of thing.

It’s not so much he is asking people to come back occasionally. It’s the demand that they have to, every single day, the next day after the email was sent, or they’re fired.

You’re missing quite a bit of the story there.

Agreed. As a manager I am pretty big on being in the office. But that's not the issue here, it's how he has handled this every step of the way.

It’s been handled very poorly on both sides, which leads to trenching in.

How have the employees handled this poorly? This dope put his thumb over them from minute one.

They spoke out a lot about leaving when there was a possible sale, then got butthurt when it came back on them. It doesn’t mean I agree with how he wants to run it, but he does own it. If they are as valuable as they think, they should have little problem finding a job.

I mean, 75% of them have left so that’s a safe assumption.

He won’t have any problem filling those jobs either.

Maybe but that’s a lot of institutional knowledge out the door.

For sure. Think if he succeeds though, would it change the way business Is done in that industry?

 

[massraider]

For sure. Think if he succeeds though, would it change the way business Is done in that industry?

Succeeds at what? Making Twitter profitable, like it was before?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

How have the employees handled this poorly? This dope put his thumb over them from minute one.

They spoke out a lot about leaving when there was a possible sale, then got butthurt when it came back on them. It doesn’t mean I agree with how he wants to run it, but he does own it. If they are as valuable as they think, they should have little problem finding a job.

I think we have to keep in mind that "Twitter employees" are currently being represented by a handful of recently-fired malcontents whose views are being amplified by the peanut gallery and a dysfunctional legacy media. I don't think it's fair to blame those employees as a group just because some predictable fraction of them happen to be tools.

On the other hand, Musk is individually responsible for doing all this stuff in public. That's not really symmetric.

What are these former Twitter employees doing that is so bad?

I'm not sure what FairWarning had in mind.

 

[massraider]

Someone has to say it: Elon Musk has lied for 27 years about his credentials. He does not have a BS in Physics, or any technical field. Did not get into a PhD program. Dropped out in 1995 & was illegal. Later, investors quietly arranged a diploma - but not in science. 1/

Link

Hooooo man

 

[FairWarning]

For sure. Think if he succeeds though, would it change the way business Is done in that industry?

Succeeds at what? Making Twitter profitable, like it was before?

He wants to run it his way. Can’t really say much more about it without it being political.. He does have the right to ruin it in the ground. People can buy him out also.

 

[jon_mx]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

 

[Capella]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

 

[FairWarning]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

 

[FairWarning]

Football messageboard, 1937: "ACTUALLY the Hindenburg is more talked about than ever, thank you very much."

Should I start Sammy Baugh?

 

[jon_mx]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Long term traffic is king. It is what brings advertisers.

 

[FairWarning]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Long term traffic is king. It is what brings advertisers.

Sure, i never really notice it on Twitter as much as FB though.

 

[jon_mx]

Football messageboard, 1937: "ACTUALLY the Hindenburg is more talked about than ever, thank you very much."

What you see as a disaster is exactly what Musk wanted to happen. There are things not going smoothly, but the mass exodus of employees is desirable. Twitter is not rocket science.

 

[The General]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Long term traffic is king. It is what brings advertisers.

I mean we’ll see if the spike continues. The ****show factor will only last so long.

I do agree like any company there’s trimming to be done but this is a crazy way to do it.

 

[The General]

Probably like 15% of traffic is seeing if the app has crashed yet

 

[BlackCrowes]

forest fires invigorate growth!

 

[FairWarning]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Yea I’m sure they all want their product ads right under a post that says “actually nazis are good” with 25,000 likes.

Again, I have never seen much advertising on there. Would it be better if the ad was under a acquaintance on FB who posts the same?

 

[waiver wire]

CBS News Suspends Twitter Posting ‘In Light of the Uncertainty’ About Musk-Owned Social Platform

Is this the 1st of many or just a 1 off

 

[The Big Donkey]

CBS News Suspends Twitter Posting ‘In Light of the Uncertainty’ About Musk-Owned Social Platform

Is this the 1st of many or just a 1 off

A news organization suspending themselves "out of an abundance of caution".

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Football messageboard, 1937: "ACTUALLY the Hindenburg is more talked about than ever, thank you very much."

I passed on this one a couple days ago, but yeah.

People stopping to watch a burning building aren't admiring the architecture. They're gawking at the fire.

Here's some positive feedback:

Elon Musk Trolled by Insults Projected on Twitter HQ After Latest Trainwreck of a Day (Video)

The man who paid $44 billion for Twitter was called "Space Karen," "insecure colonizer" and more

www.yahoo.com

 

[The General]

Casting has begun for the mini-series

 

[Terminalxylem]

I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year

Dude. That sounds terrible

Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?

 

[Terminalxylem]

I don't think there is a one size fits all answer but being in the same time zone or relatively close is key for my work as there is collaborating, meetings etc that happen throughout the day as well as lots of random questions that pop-up that need relatively quick answers.

I work in higher ed administration, which is not exactly a culture where people are chained to their desk from 8-5. Faculty come and go pretty much whenever they feel like it, and everybody is okay with that. We're not a bank or something.

One thing I've noticed this year specifically is a widespread acknowledgement that things actually did slip when we went to WFH, and it was exactly the kind of stuff you're talking about. The big problems all got handled just fine. It was the little stuff that would normally get resolved by pulling somebody aside for two minutes before some meeting on some other unrelated topic. Or stuff that pops into your head when you pass the right person in the hallway. None of those issues cause the world to stop spinning on its axis or anything, but I think it disabused people of the idea that we can do our jobs remotely over an extended period of time.

If we were forced to go back to WFH for some reason, I'm sure we could figure out a way to resolve stuff like that over Slack or something similar. It's just that there's a lot serendipity to working in physical proximity that is very valuable in some industries and irrelevant in others. I can see where code people and HR drones do well in WFH settings.

I think you're the first person I've ever heard say that WFH in their experience is less productive. I can't think of one person I know or work with who doesn't claim the opposite. I know I am more productive from home. I start working as soon as I'm up instead of having to head out to catch the bus/train. And at the end of the day, I'm not looking at the clock for when I need to leave to catch the bus. I work longer hours as a result, but because I'm not wasting so much time each week commuting, work/life balance is not taking a hit. Distractions are about the same. Things like my puppy needing to go out, or switching out the laundry replaces the water cooler talk and other many distractions in an office.

Almost three years since WFH started, that IS an extended period of time. If it's been working so far, it will continue to work. This notion that we haven't been doing this long enough is incorrect.
Bottom line is, if your company is unable to determine if people who are WFH are being productive, then that's an internal problem with the company, not the concept of WFH.

I've been WFH 30+ years now. I've always had an office too but wasn't expected there. Of course I work all the time. I had two days off work, 7 years ago, lol, but that's on me. I love what I do. Pretty great little life.

Holy smokes, I can't imagine loving any job so much. What do you do?

 

[massraider]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/financ...x-twitter-employees-left-limbo-192545923.html

Ex-Twitter employees are left in limbo with thousands in expenses after Elon Musk layoffs and ultimatum exodus​

 

[the moops]

I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year

Dude. That sounds terrible

Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?

50 hours a week is most certainly terrible. What the hell

 

[uwillbsoon]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Long term traffic is king. It is what brings advertisers.

All I know is Mastodon is seeing explosive growth since musk took over. Twitter is not.

That doesn't bode well.

Mastodon seems like it will never be the place for everyone, but if it steals millions of Twitter users, that's not great for Twitter.

 

[FairWarning]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Long term traffic is king. It is what brings advertisers.

All I know is Mastodon is seeing explosive growth since musk took over. Twitter is not.

That doesn't bode well.

Mastodon seems like it will never be the place for everyone, but if it steals millions of Twitter users, that's not great for Twitter.

Never heard of it, I’ll check it out.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Twitter has like 400MM users. Having 1 or 2 million sign up for another service isn't really going to matter IMO. I don't see how Twitter goes away, it's just a long long road to him getting to a net+ on his investment.

 

[bigbottom]

I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year

Dude. That sounds terrible

Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?

A civil lawyer billing 2475 in a year is likely spending on average between 75-80 hours in the office per week for the entire year. That year, my typical workday was 8am until around 9 or 10pm every weekday, and usually working both days on the weekends.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year

Dude. That sounds terrible

Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?

50 hours a week is most certainly terrible. What the hell

I definitely don't want to work that much, but it's not like that's uncommon across many industries. For comparison, medical trainees are capped at 80 hours per week. And that was thought to be humane, relative to what they were working.

 

[Terminalxylem]

I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year

Dude. That sounds terrible

Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?

A civil lawyer billing 2475 in a year is likely spending on average between 75-80 hours in the office per week for the entire year. That year, my typical workday was 8am until around 9 or 10pm every weekday, and usually working both days on the weekends.

Yeah, I figured it didn't represent your entire work load. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[krista4]

I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year

Dude. That sounds terrible

Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?

Honestly read the 2475 hours and thought that sounded good, at least where I was. I regularly billed 2900-3100 per year when I was an associate. My lowest year was 2600something.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

A civil lawyer billing 2475 in a year is likely spending on average between 75-80 hours in the office per week for the entire year. That year, my typical workday was 8am until around 9 or 10pm every weekday, and usually working both days on the weekends.

I frequently wonder what my life would be like if I had gone into finance or something instead of academia. My 20-something self got a close-up look at what it was like to be a college professor and decided that the lifestyle advantages more than offset the hit to my lifetime earnings. (It's important to note here that economics professors don't get minimum wage -- newly-minted assistant professors are coming in close to $100K these days, which goes a very long way in most college towns -- so it's not like I was taking a vow of poverty or anything like that. It's a very comfortable income, but just comfortable). I really can't wrap my mind around working hours like that.

But then again, maybe I would be retired by now if I had gone that route. I'm not that far from retirement now, because my wife and I are both savers and we're both cheap. An extra infusion of cash 20 years ago would have made a big difference in our retirement accounts today.

But then again, maybe my material thermostat would have crept up and I'd feel like I need a bigger nest egg to maintain the lifestyle to which I would have (probably) become accustomed. So I'd still be on the same timeline, just with more time in the office and nicer vacations.

No particular point to this other than just reflecting on how decisions that we make when we're very young affect us when we're deep into midlife.

 

[krista4]

I don't want to sound proud of this, because I'm not and regret that I fell into doing this, but I had multiple months where I billed over 350 hours. In a month. And on two separate occasions, I billed 51 hours straight. Went in to the office (or in one case, the financial printer) around 9 a.m. and went home just after noon two days later, without taking a break for sleep.

It's ridiculous. I hope these firms have become kinder and gentler in the ensuing years.

 

[bigbottom]

I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year

Dude. That sounds terrible

Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?

Honestly read the 2475 hours and thought that sounded good, at least where I was. I regularly billed 2900-3100 per year when I was an associate. My lowest year was 2600something.

That’s absolutely nuts. I can’t even imagine. I’m hoping that you were able to bill more efficiently than I was able to with all the administrative and non-billable stuff I had to do. 75-80 hour work weeks for an entire year almost broke me.

 

[jon_mx]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Long term traffic is king. It is what brings advertisers.

All I know is Mastodon is seeing explosive growth since musk took over. Twitter is not.

That doesn't bode well.

Mastodon seems like it will never be the place for everyone, but if it steals millions of Twitter users, that's not great for Twitter.

Never heard of it, I’ll check it out.

It is a completely open platform.

 

[jon_mx]

There is the possibility Musk is keeping the 20 percent who are doing 80 percent of the work. This is not his first rodeo. I would expect Twitter to come out of this with a leaner meaner organization and probably hirer 1000 new employees who are more aligned and motivated with what Musk wants. Twitter is more talked about than ever and has more traffic than ever.

Great. It also has a lot less advertising than ever.

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

Yea I’m sure they all want their product ads right under a post that says “actually nazis are good” with 25,000 likes.

Lol....because that is what happens....good god..

 

[bigbottom]

I don't want to sound proud of this, because I'm not and regret that I fell into doing this, but I had multiple months where I billed over 350 hours. In a month. And on two separate occasions, I billed 51 hours straight. Went in to the office (or in one case, the financial printer) around 9 a.m. and went home just after noon two days later, without taking a break for sleep.

It's ridiculous. I hope these firms have become kinder and gentler in the ensuing years.

Please tell me that there was some down time you were billing for during that 51 hour stretch. I remember working 38 hours straight once, but because of the nature of my work and the dang rules of my client, I was only able to bill maybe 32 of those hours.

 

[Ilov80s]

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

This was covered several pages back. One of the major execs of a huge trade group explained it had nothing to do with advocacy groups. They had a massive virtual meeting with Elon and were not able to clear answers on basic quality control questions. When he expressed this to Musk on Twitter, Musk blocked him. Not saying nobody is listening to advocacy groups, but the initial concerns have been larger than that.

 

[krista4]

That’s absolutely nuts. I can’t even imagine. I’m hoping that you were able to bill more efficiently than I was able to with all the administrative and non-billable stuff I had to do. 75-80 hour work weeks for an entire year almost broke me.

Please tell me that there was some down time you were billing for during that 51 hour stretch. I remember working 38 hours straight once, but because of the nature of my work and the dang rules of my client, I was only able to bill maybe 32 of those hours.

This was all while I was an associate, so I didn't have much non-billable time like I did later as a partner. My billables were much closer to my total hours worked back then. As for the two 51-hour stretches, no downtime. They'd just bring in the meals and we'd all eat around a conference table while still negotiating/turning documents. At the financial printer, there would sometimes be times we'd be waiting for the printer to make changes, so there was theoretical downtime, but somehow we'd fill it with work. That time, I remember a partner pointing out to me after we'd been there more than 24 hours that he had never seen this one associate from the other firm even get up and go to the bathroom. That is something I couldn't have accomplished!

 

[bigbottom]

The advertisers need to quit listening to the advocacy groups.

This was covered several pages back. One of the major execs of a huge trade group explained it had nothing to do with advocacy groups. They had a massive virtual meeting with Elon and were not able to clear answers on basic quality control questions. When he expressed this to Musk on Twitter, Musk blocked him.

Blocked him from Twitter, or just blocked him so Musk wouldn’t see his tweets?

 

[Ilov80s]

Blocked him from Twitter, or just blocked him so Musk wouldn’t see his tweets?

Musk blocked him personally so Musk can't see his replies. He didn't delete his account or anything.

 

[bigbottom]

That’s absolutely nuts. I can’t even imagine. I’m hoping that you were able to bill more efficiently than I was able to with all the administrative and non-billable stuff I had to do. 75-80 hour work weeks for an entire year almost broke me.

Please tell me that there was some down time you were billing for during that 51 hour stretch. I remember working 38 hours straight once, but because of the nature of my work and the dang rules of my client, I was only able to bill maybe 32 of those hours.

This was all while I was an associate, so I didn't have much non-billable time like I did later as a partner. My billables were much closer to my total hours worked back then. As for the two 51-hour stretches, no downtime. They'd just bring in the meals and we'd all eat around a conference table while still negotiating/turning documents. At the financial printer, there would sometimes be times we'd be waiting for the printer to make changes, so there was theoretical downtime, but somehow we'd fill it with work. That time, I remember a partner pointing out to me after we'd been there more than 24 hours that he had never seen this one associate from the other firm even get up and go to the bathroom. That is something I couldn't have accomplished!

Oh yeah, they had me writing articles, doing training, interviewing on campus, and a whole host of other stuff that the partners didn’t want to do. As a former HR professional, they also had me handle internal employment matters, including meeting with staff to lay them off.