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Twitter has like 400MM users. Having 1 or 2 million sign up for another service isn't really going to matter IMO. I don't see how Twitter goes away, it's just a long long road to him getting to a net+ on his investment.
I think it's averaging almost a million a day. That's not insignificant.

If it can get the news folks... Like CBS... That's a significant problem. I've heard some journalists start to talk about their organizations starting their own servers. If that starts to happen, Twitter could really suffer. At its core, that's what Twitter is: a place people can go to read and react to breaking news.

Will that happen? I doubt it. But I'm shocked at Mastodon's growth.
 
That’s absolutely nuts. I can’t even imagine. I’m hoping that you were able to bill more efficiently than I was able to with all the administrative and non-billable stuff I had to do. 75-80 hour work weeks for an entire year almost broke me.

Please tell me that there was some down time you were billing for during that 51 hour stretch. I remember working 38 hours straight once, but because of the nature of my work and the dang rules of my client, I was only able to bill maybe 32 of those hours.

This was all while I was an associate, so I didn't have much non-billable time like I did later as a partner. My billables were much closer to my total hours worked back then. As for the two 51-hour stretches, no downtime. They'd just bring in the meals and we'd all eat around a conference table while still negotiating/turning documents. At the financial printer, there would sometimes be times we'd be waiting for the printer to make changes, so there was theoretical downtime, but somehow we'd fill it with work. That time, I remember a partner pointing out to me after we'd been there more than 24 hours that he had never seen this one associate from the other firm even get up and go to the bathroom. :lol: That is something I couldn't have accomplished!
I can't comprehend any of this. My 35 hour work weeks are a thing of the past, but after a year and a half of working 6 days per week at probably 50 per I seem to be settling into a 40-45 hour routine and that's only because I'm being sure to take advantage of our 14 holiday days and unlimited vacation.
 
I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year
Dude. That sounds terrible
Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?
50 hours a week is most certainly terrible. What the hell
I definitely don't want to work that much, but it's not like that's uncommon across many industries. For comparison, medical trainees are capped at 80 hours per week. And that was thought to be humane, relative to what they were working.
I'm not sure big firm associates and medical trainees are representative of "many industries."
 
That’s absolutely nuts. I can’t even imagine. I’m hoping that you were able to bill more efficiently than I was able to with all the administrative and non-billable stuff I had to do. 75-80 hour work weeks for an entire year almost broke me.

Please tell me that there was some down time you were billing for during that 51 hour stretch. I remember working 38 hours straight once, but because of the nature of my work and the dang rules of my client, I was only able to bill maybe 32 of those hours.

This was all while I was an associate, so I didn't have much non-billable time like I did later as a partner. My billables were much closer to my total hours worked back then. As for the two 51-hour stretches, no downtime. They'd just bring in the meals and we'd all eat around a conference table while still negotiating/turning documents. At the financial printer, there would sometimes be times we'd be waiting for the printer to make changes, so there was theoretical downtime, but somehow we'd fill it with work. That time, I remember a partner pointing out to me after we'd been there more than 24 hours that he had never seen this one associate from the other firm even get up and go to the bathroom. :lol: That is something I couldn't have accomplished!

Oh yeah, they had me writing articles, doing training, interviewing on campus, and a whole host of other stuff that the partners didn’t want to do. As a former HR professional, they also had me handle internal employment matters, including meeting with staff to lay them off.

Oh yikes. I did a lot of recruiting stuff but nothing else, really.
 
Not sure if it’s my internet or a Twitter thing, but at the moment my Twitter feed is a bit weird. Like profile photos not loading, videos loading in and out, text blinking off for a moment. I access Twitter solely through Safari on iOS.
 
I have not seen anyone remotely showing a path to profitability. Has anyone seen anyone is the business world say, OK, here is how he gets this thing in the black:
 
Someone figured out that the auto copyright strike wasn't working, and people have begun posting entire movies on Twitter--in two minute increments. 😂
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?
Tesla and SpaceX can effectively run without him, I assume. At least for a while. He has the power to do whatever he wants with his time. I think he’s enjoying this project and the chaos.
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?
Tesla and SpaceX can effectively run without him, I assume. At least for a while. He has the power to do whatever he wants with his time. I think he’s enjoying this project and the chaos.

I get your point - sort of, with the “for a while” disclaimer.
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?
Tesla and SpaceX can effectively run without him, I assume. At least for a while. He has the power to do whatever he wants with his time. I think he’s enjoying this project and the chaos.

I read an article about some Tesla investors being concerned about Musk’s time away from Tesla, though it’s hard to know how much of that concern is real and how much is media hype. But Musk is the CEO, and if you’re the chief executive of a company, you do have a duty to actually do your job. I wouldn’t say he necessarily has “the power to do whatever he wants with his time.” Moreover, pulling Tesla engineers over to work on Twitter presents additional concerns and potential problems.
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?
He did say he plans to hire a CEO to run Twitter, so he won't always be this hands-on. But it's not uncommon for people who run multiple companies to spend most of their time with the newest startup/acquisition.
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?

He's surely going to hire a CEO soon. Hopefully someone totally boring from another big social media company who comes in after this initial flurry of fun and gets things calmed down and back on track.
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?
Tesla and SpaceX can effectively run without him, I assume. At least for a while. He has the power to do whatever he wants with his time. I think he’s enjoying this project and the chaos.

I read an article about some Tesla investors being concerned about Musk’s time away from Tesla, though it’s hard to know how much of that concern is real and how much is media hype. But Musk is the CEO, and if you’re the chief executive of a company, you do have a duty to actually do your job. I wouldn’t say he necessarily has “the power to do whatever he wants with his time.” Moreover, pulling Tesla engineers over to work on Twitter presents additional concerns and potential problems.
According to testimony at his Tesla compensation lawsuit, those Tesla engineers volunteered after hours to help him out :)

Musk also claims to be working 120 hour weeks.

My understanding is he's not involved much, if at all, in SpaceX. And really hasn't for quite some time.

Him being absent from Tesla may be a good thing, judging by this article from a couple years ago: https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-tesla-life-inside-gigafactory/

What makes these companies go is the people Musk hires. Musk is a visionary and definitely sets the long-term vision, but like most visionaries if they go much further than expressing their vision and demanding high level results, they end up hurting their business. Visionaries involved in the day to day is exactly what we're seeing at Twitter - a new shiny ball to chase every day. Last week it was a moderation council choosing who to let back on, this week it's just Elon. Blue is coming out immediately, no, wait, it's in three weeks.

Classic visionary behavior. Everything is a priority. Which means nothing is. He needs an ops leader he will listen to who can transfer his vision into actionable timelines and shield employees from his mood swings.
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?

He's surely going to hire a CEO soon. Hopefully someone totally boring from another big social media company who comes in after this initial flurry of fun and gets things calmed down and back on track.
It will be interesting to see what that track is. If it’s to transform Twitter to an “everything” app, there will continually need to be rapid major changes. A boring CEO probably can’t do that.
 
I’m fascinated how Musk has this much time on his hand - I’ve never followed anything about him but I guess I just assumed he was very hands on with his other business/projects - how does he have time for all this?
Tesla and SpaceX can effectively run without him, I assume. At least for a while. He has the power to do whatever he wants with his time. I think he’s enjoying this project and the chaos.

I read an article about some Tesla investors being concerned about Musk’s time away from Tesla, though it’s hard to know how much of that concern is real and how much is media hype. But Musk is the CEO, and if you’re the chief executive of a company, you do have a duty to actually do your job. I wouldn’t say he necessarily has “the power to do whatever he wants with his time.” Moreover, pulling Tesla engineers over to work on Twitter presents additional concerns and potential problems.
The taking of engineers from Tesla seems like a pretty big deal if that were more than just a short term thing. Not sure how interchangeable these people are but wouldn’t a code guy need to be more of a long term thing, learn what’s going on implement changes?

Tesla is still pushing out software updates pretty regularly at the moment.
 
Sounds like Twitter is stepping in it across the pond too.
I don't think Musk is too worried about European governments. A simple Tweet explaining that the entire European Twitter workforce was only hardcore, and not extremely hardcore, attached to a funny meme, with an 'lol' on it should settle things.
 
I was also pissed because I had just billed a 2475 hour year
Dude. That sounds terrible
Not knowing anything about lawyer billing, I was thinking it didn't sound terrible. Like 50 hours a week. What does a typical lawyer bill/year, and how many hours do they work off the clock?
50 hours a week is most certainly terrible. What the hell
I definitely don't want to work that much, but it's not like that's uncommon across many industries. For comparison, medical trainees are capped at 80 hours per week. And that was thought to be humane, relative to what they were working.
I'm not sure big firm associates and medical trainees are representative of "many industries."
They’re not. I shoulda said “some, highly paid industries with well educated workers, akin to what I’d expect in a place like Twitter”. But I really just wanted to know how lawyers calculate their hours. 🤷‍♂️
 
For those that don't know what mastadon is, think of a ton of individually run instances of this place and everything is posted in chronological order. All those different instances CAN be made aware of each other and the posters on those instances, but they can also be isolated from the collective if the owners/moderators choose. For a million different instances you can have a million different sets of rules. It is NOT a "completely open" system...almost ALL the different instances have ToS that the moderators/owners expect people to follow while on their server. The primary difference it has from things like twitter is a complete lack of that "viral" element with algorithms pushing you to see the most interactive material.
 
The primary difference it has from things like twitter is a complete lack of that "viral" element with algorithms pushing you to see the most interactive material.

Already a bunch of writers are claiming they've been censored or kicked off. Legitimate follows, not just hate crap. The point of Mastodon, they claim, is to have set up a system whereby Mastodon could eliminate their point of view from the discussion.

That could be either true or untrue, but I'm willing to give it a lot of weight in light of who is saying that.
 
The primary difference it has from things like twitter is a complete lack of that "viral" element with algorithms pushing you to see the most interactive material.

Already a bunch of writers are claiming they've been censored or kicked off. Legitimate follows, not just hate crap. The point of Mastodon, they claim, is to have set up a system whereby Mastodon could eliminate their point of view from the discussion.

That could be either true or untrue, but I'm willing to give it a lot of weight in light of who is saying that.
As I said above....each mastadon instance is going to be different. Some will allow stuff others won't. It also has a feature where owners/mods from various instances can give other owners/mods "heads up" kinds of messages about problems they are experiencing. I'm confident there is "censoring" going on...it's not "completely open" as stated a few pages back. That's just flat out incorrect.
 
Already a bunch of writers are claiming they've been censored or kicked off
By who? It's decentralized.

This is a very good read:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/gizmod...-twitter-alternative-elon-musk-1849739031/amp

Your feed is chronological, there's no AI pushing the most extreme and interacted posts.

I have doubts about Mastodon, betting that Twitter gets replaced isn't a bet I would make, but an alternative that is not publicly traded, cannot be purchased by some billionaire, and has zero ads sounds pretty great.
 
The primary difference it has from things like twitter is a complete lack of that "viral" element with algorithms pushing you to see the most interactive material.

Already a bunch of writers are claiming they've been censored or kicked off. Legitimate follows, not just hate crap. The point of Mastodon, they claim, is to have set up a system whereby Mastodon could eliminate their point of view from the discussion.

That could be either true or untrue, but I'm willing to give it a lot of weight in light of who is saying that.
They've likely been kicked off an individual server. Switching to another server with different terms of service is simple enough. Or, you could roll your own server. I mean, I think you can pay $5 a month for your own server host. Cheaper than Twitter blue.

That doesn't mean you'll get seen by everyone (different servers can ban access to other servers), but it's nearly impossible to be totally banned.
 
They've likely been kicked off an individual server. Switching to another server with different terms of service is simple enough. Or, you could roll your own server. I mean, I think you can pay $5 a month for your own server host. Cheaper than Twitter blue.

That doesn't mean you'll get seen by everyone (different servers can ban access to other servers), but it's nearly impossible to be totally banned.
Maybe I'm missing something, but does this mean that Stormfront could pay for its own server and publish all the hate speech it wants? Obviously they would be blocked by other servers, but that seems like a really good deal for Stormfront since they'd be banned completely from most centrally-run networks.

Edit: There's no way this is how Mastodon works, right? As much I would love to see an open-source service that lets anybody say whatever they want and if you don't like you just block them, such a site would immediately become Silk Road 2.0 or worse. I'm surely misunderstanding how this service works.
 
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How hard can it be to create a Twitter clone? If someone really believes there's an opportunity here - that Twitter is going down - wouldn't there be multiple well-funded competitors out there already? Didn't Parler and Truth Social already do this? I spent about 10 minutes trying to figure out Mastadon a week or so ago and don't understand why anyone is suggesting it as an alternative to Twitter. It is incomprehensible to me.
 
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