It's tough to argue against the stats, age, and situation.Is Eifert now the #2 dynasty tight end, i think so.
Luckily we all know what team everyone is on before our fantasy drafts. As I argued in the Kelce thread before the season, the targets and TDs just weren't going to be there this year. Everyone who bought into the Kelce hype was ignoring the writing on the wall. They all thought he was magically going to get 140 targets and 50% of his QB's passing TDs.Kelce would be Eifert on almost every other team in the league.I don't see him yet at gronk level BC in too many games the yardage isn't there. Gronk has 3td upside but also puts up 100 td receiving games at a good clip. Eifert's pretty darn close though. He is what I though Kelce would be this year.
the abundance of weapons has dented the fantasy impact of both players.Luckily we all know what team everyone is on before our fantasy drafts. As I argued in the Kelce thread before the season, the targets and TDs just weren't going to be there this year. Everyone who bought into the Kelce hype was ignoring the writing on the wall. They all thought he was magically going to get 140 targets and 50% of his QB's passing TDs.Kelce would be Eifert on almost every other team in the league.I don't see him yet at gronk level BC in too many games the yardage isn't there. Gronk has 3td upside but also puts up 100 td receiving games at a good clip. Eifert's pretty darn close though. He is what I though Kelce would be this year.
That being said, I thought this system would yield a few more targets for Eifert than it has. Luckily, his red zone presence has more than offset the lack of targets. The fact that they've won every game and not been in catch up mode has surely contributed to the lack of pass attempts by the offense as a whole. For example, AJ Green is on his lowest targets/game pace since his rookie year.
He single-handedly cost them that game, IMO.Hard to believe a guy as good as Eifert that makes some great catches in tight spaces has so many easy drops
yupHe single-handedly cost them that game, IMO.Hard to believe a guy as good as Eifert that makes some great catches in tight spaces has so many easy drops
Kelce is tight end number 5 in PPR this year, is it really that bad?Luckily we all know what team everyone is on before our fantasy drafts. As I argued in the Kelce thread before the season, the targets and TDs just weren't going to be there this year. Everyone who bought into the Kelce hype was ignoring the writing on the wall. They all thought he was magically going to get 140 targets and 50% of his QB's passing TDs.Kelce would be Eifert on almost every other team in the league.I don't see him yet at gronk level BC in too many games the yardage isn't there. Gronk has 3td upside but also puts up 100 td receiving games at a good clip. Eifert's pretty darn close though. He is what I though Kelce would be this year.
That being said, I thought this system would yield a few more targets for Eifert than it has. Luckily, his red zone presence has more than offset the lack of targets. The fact that they've won every game and not been in catch up mode has surely contributed to the lack of pass attempts by the offense as a whole. For example, AJ Green is on his lowest targets/game pace since his rookie year.
On the surface that's not terrible, but on a points per game basis (TE9), he's right there with waiver wire fodder. People probably drafted him as TE3 or TE4 in the 4th-5th rounds. So people who bought on the hype essentially paid a high price tag for a 1-2 ppg advantage over teams that punted the position entirely (or maybe giving up a deficit to Barnidge or Reed owners).Kelce is tight end number 5 in PPR this year, is it really that bad?Luckily we all know what team everyone is on before our fantasy drafts. As I argued in the Kelce thread before the season, the targets and TDs just weren't going to be there this year. Everyone who bought into the Kelce hype was ignoring the writing on the wall. They all thought he was magically going to get 140 targets and 50% of his QB's passing TDs.Kelce would be Eifert on almost every other team in the league.I don't see him yet at gronk level BC in too many games the yardage isn't there. Gronk has 3td upside but also puts up 100 td receiving games at a good clip. Eifert's pretty darn close though. He is what I though Kelce would be this year.
That being said, I thought this system would yield a few more targets for Eifert than it has. Luckily, his red zone presence has more than offset the lack of targets. The fact that they've won every game and not been in catch up mode has surely contributed to the lack of pass attempts by the offense as a whole. For example, AJ Green is on his lowest targets/game pace since his rookie year.
Agree.Luckily we all know what team everyone is on before our fantasy drafts. As I argued in the Kelce thread before the season, the targets and TDs just weren't going to be there this year. Everyone who bought into the Kelce hype was ignoring the writing on the wall. They all thought he was magically going to get 140 targets and 50% of his QB's passing TDs.Kelce would be Eifert on almost every other team in the league.I don't see him yet at gronk level BC in too many games the yardage isn't there. Gronk has 3td upside but also puts up 100 td receiving games at a good clip. Eifert's pretty darn close though. He is what I though Kelce would be this year.
That being said, I thought this system would yield a few more targets for Eifert than it has. Luckily, his red zone presence has more than offset the lack of targets. The fact that they've won every game and not been in catch up mode has surely contributed to the lack of pass attempts by the offense as a whole. For example, AJ Green is on his lowest targets/game pace since his rookie year.
The point per game use is lame in my opinion. There is an extra value in having a guy week in and week out and know he is capable of big numbers. Plus it frees up roster space for other players. Now back to Eifert.On the surface that's not terrible, but on a points per game basis (TE9), he's right there with waiver wire fodder. People probably drafted him as TE3 or TE4 in the 4th-5th rounds. So people who bought on the hype essentially paid a high price tag for a 1-2 ppg advantage over teams that punted the position entirely (or maybe giving up a deficit to Barnidge or Reed owners).Kelce is tight end number 5 in PPR this year, is it really that bad?Luckily we all know what team everyone is on before our fantasy drafts. As I argued in the Kelce thread before the season, the targets and TDs just weren't going to be there this year. Everyone who bought into the Kelce hype was ignoring the writing on the wall. They all thought he was magically going to get 140 targets and 50% of his QB's passing TDs.Kelce would be Eifert on almost every other team in the league.I don't see him yet at gronk level BC in too many games the yardage isn't there. Gronk has 3td upside but also puts up 100 td receiving games at a good clip. Eifert's pretty darn close though. He is what I though Kelce would be this year.
That being said, I thought this system would yield a few more targets for Eifert than it has. Luckily, his red zone presence has more than offset the lack of targets. The fact that they've won every game and not been in catch up mode has surely contributed to the lack of pass attempts by the offense as a whole. For example, AJ Green is on his lowest targets/game pace since his rookie year.
0ppr ppg:
1. Gronk - 14.29 (TE1)
2. Eifert - 11.11 (TE14)
3. Barnidge - 10.87 (UD)
4. Gates - 10.80 (TE15)
5. Olsen 10.71 (TE3)
6. Reed - 10.53 (TE23)
7. Walker - 8.85 (TE8)
8. L.Green - 8.49 (TE27)
9. Kelce - 8.38 (TE4)
10. Gillmore - 7.49 (TE30)
11. Ebron - 7.14 (TE25)
12. Watson - 7.11 (TE29)
Guys up to TE20 are averaging over 6ppg.
FWIW, he's TE8 in 1ppr (by avg ppg) and presents only a 2-3 ppg advantage over guys in the TE12-20 range.
Yes ... PPR is really bad.Kelce is tight end number 5 in PPR this year, is it really that bad?Luckily we all know what team everyone is on before our fantasy drafts. As I argued in the Kelce thread before the season, the targets and TDs just weren't going to be there this year. Everyone who bought into the Kelce hype was ignoring the writing on the wall. They all thought he was magically going to get 140 targets and 50% of his QB's passing TDs.Kelce would be Eifert on almost every other team in the league.I don't see him yet at gronk level BC in too many games the yardage isn't there. Gronk has 3td upside but also puts up 100 td receiving games at a good clip. Eifert's pretty darn close though. He is what I though Kelce would be this year.
That being said, I thought this system would yield a few more targets for Eifert than it has. Luckily, his red zone presence has more than offset the lack of targets. The fact that they've won every game and not been in catch up mode has surely contributed to the lack of pass attempts by the offense as a whole. For example, AJ Green is on his lowest targets/game pace since his rookie year.
How is PPG lame? You really want to punish a guy for missing a game or two? So long as you know he's going to miss a game, you get to plug someone else in and keep going. Gates missed the first four games due to suspension, so you want to act like he's not as good as Kelce at this point of the season? Ignoring stuff like that and only looking at totals is lame in my opinion.The point per game use is lame in my opinion. There is an extra value in having a guy week in and week out and know he is capable of big numbers. Plus it frees up roster space for other players. Now back to Eifert.
Eifert for me has been "Can't win with em ... Can't win without em"FF Ninja said:How is PPG lame? You really want to punish a guy for missing a game or two? So long as you know he's going to miss a game, you get to plug someone else in and keep going. Gates missed the first four games due to suspension, so you want to act like he's not as good as Kelce at this point of the season? Ignoring stuff like that and only looking at totals is lame in my opinion.msudaisy26 said:The point per game use is lame in my opinion. There is an extra value in having a guy week in and week out and know he is capable of big numbers. Plus it frees up roster space for other players. Now back to Eifert.
As for Eifert, I don't think there's much left to discuss. He had a down week, but at this point he's proven himself and looks like a guy drafted in the 1st round.
Yes I do. Gates is am exception because it was known at the beginning of the year. Most guys miss time and you have to scramble to find someone. You sat I want to punish a guy for missing time, but you want to knock the guy that isn't missing time.FF Ninja said:How is PPG lame? You really want to punish a guy for missing a game or two? So long as you know he's going to miss a game, you get to plug someone else in and keep going. Gates missed the first four games due to suspension, so you want to act like he's not as good as Kelce at this point of the season? Ignoring stuff like that and only looking at totals is lame in my opinion.msudaisy26 said:The point per game use is lame in my opinion. There is an extra value in having a guy week in and week out and know he is capable of big numbers. Plus it frees up roster space for other players. Now back to Eifert.
As for Eifert, I don't think there's much left to discuss. He had a down week, but at this point he's proven himself and looks like a guy drafted in the 1st round.
No, I'm not knocking him for not missing time. I'm just not burying my head in the sand and pretending that his totals make him some sort of top 5 weekly play at his position. On a weekly basis, he's probably not top 6 so you are likely giving up points to your opponent at that position despite the fact you paid a Doug Martin/Gurly/Ivory/Marshall price for Kelce on draft day. The fact of the matter is, you are probably just as well off with Delanie Walker + a waiver wire guy (if he misses another game). Kelce is only averaging like 8 points a game. You can find a free agent who will get you 4-6 points for a spot start, so no big deal if Gates or Walker misses a game. It's not like you get a zero when they miss time.Yes I do. Gates is am exception because it was known at the beginning of the year. Most guys miss time and you have to scramble to find someone. You sat I want to punish a guy for missing time, but you want to knock the guy that isn't missing time.FF Ninja said:How is PPG lame? You really want to punish a guy for missing a game or two? So long as you know he's going to miss a game, you get to plug someone else in and keep going. Gates missed the first four games due to suspension, so you want to act like he's not as good as Kelce at this point of the season? Ignoring stuff like that and only looking at totals is lame in my opinion.msudaisy26 said:The point per game use is lame in my opinion. There is an extra value in having a guy week in and week out and know he is capable of big numbers. Plus it frees up roster space for other players. Now back to Eifert.
As for Eifert, I don't think there's much left to discuss. He had a down week, but at this point he's proven himself and looks like a guy drafted in the 1st round.
Yeah, it's weird that he only got 3 targets on a night where Dalton threw the ball 39 times, but I agree it is hard to complain when 2 of the targets led to TDs. He could be a much bigger contributor on offense if they wanted him to be, but I'll take what I can get.Little bump for another 2 TD performance. I wish the Bengals would open it up a bit and get him involved between the 20s, but I'm not complaining.
would u guys mind taking this to the kelce thread? Do we really need to hear about how ninja was right about kelce in the eifert thread? Get over yourself and let's talk eifert. It was not that great a call anyway kelc could still easily finish top 3 with a few big games like week 1. But this is an eifert thread.No, I'm not knocking him for not missing time. I'm just not burying my head in the sand and pretending that his totals make him some sort of top 5 weekly play at his position. On a weekly basis, he's probably not top 6 so you are likely giving up points to your opponent at that position despite the fact you paid a Doug Martin/Gurly/Ivory/Marshall price for Kelce on draft day. The fact of the matter is, you are probably just as well off with Delanie Walker + a waiver wire guy (if he misses another game). Kelce is only averaging like 8 points a game. You can find a free agent who will get you 4-6 points for a spot start, so no big deal if Gates or Walker misses a game. It's not like you get a zero when they miss time.Yes I do. Gates is am exception because it was known at the beginning of the year. Most guys miss time and you have to scramble to find someone. You sat I want to punish a guy for missing time, but you want to knock the guy that isn't missing time.How is PPG lame? You really want to punish a guy for missing a game or two? So long as you know he's going to miss a game, you get to plug someone else in and keep going. Gates missed the first four games due to suspension, so you want to act like he's not as good as Kelce at this point of the season? Ignoring stuff like that and only looking at totals is lame in my opinion.The point per game use is lame in my opinion. There is an extra value in having a guy week in and week out and know he is capable of big numbers. Plus it frees up roster space for other players. Now back to Eifert.
As for Eifert, I don't think there's much left to discuss. He had a down week, but at this point he's proven himself and looks like a guy drafted in the 1st round.
I'm heavily invested in Eifert and feel this is accurate. I'm happy with this total production to date but I typically prefer more high volume players. He's sort of become similar to James Jones, TD dependent and running real high risks of crapping the bed any given week.(FFNinja, here is the "wat") Rather than patting myself on the back for drafting Eifert on what he has done with being the most efficient scorer with the least amount of targets for top TEs, I would count myself as lucky for the production and realize the TDs may not continue to come at this torrid pace
Even if we include the CLE game which is a major outlier, he avgs 5 targets, 3 recs for 28 yards per game (5 TDs, 3 of which came against CLE) in "Big games" (Prime time games & div games). That is about 5 ppg in PPR as a floor. He faces DEN in wk16 in a prime time game. I don't feel comfortable penciling him in for 1-2 TDs for that or even the other playoff games either. You might think its probable he keeps this pace up, and for non "big games" he might, but historically it would be very challenging to accomplish this pace. With that, especially given his QB, unless you think Dalton has an "aha moment" and suddenly gets it then I foresee he will do the same thing he has done in previous big games over the course of his career.My deadline has passed, but I'd need to be getting pretty good value to trade Eifert.
You don't like counting on the TDs, but it's hard to trade someone getting as many red zone targets as Eifert. They haven't been fluke scores. He's getting looks every week as defenses must respect Cincy's running game inside the ten.
Same here. I needed a big week from him with the Pittsburgh Steelers on bye. He came through nicely considering I own him and started him in both leagues and he's killing it in the best ball format of the Subscriber contest for me. To say I went all in on this guy is an understatementhe has kept me alive...
ESPN's Adam Schefter reports tests on Tyler Eifert's neck revealed no structural damage.
Eifert left Sunday's blowout win over the Rams in the third quarter with a stinger when the game was already in hand. Afterward, Eifert said he was "OK," and this report seems to confirm that. For now, Eifert is up in the air for Week 13, but we'd bet he suits up for the divisional tilt with the Browns.
Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter
Not a great sign but Friday practice is more significant.Eifert didn't practice Wednesday.
A second straight day this week the Bengals are without Tyler Eifert (neck/stinger)Not a great sign but Friday practice is more significant.Eifert didn't practice Wednesday.
He's not practicing, CIN has plenty of good receiving options, and Hue Jackson is publicly praising Sanu and FB Ryan Hewitt this week. Eiffert might not be part of this week's gameplan...even if he's active.Eifert not practicing again on Thursday, last full-scale workout of week. At best questionable
I can't imagine having to scour the WW at this time of the year for a TE. Good luck, bro...WW for TE is especially picked over due to Gronk/Graham injuries last week. If I didn't have a solid backup TE, I'd be pretty tempted to wait until Sunday morning and play him if he's active or grab a last minute boom/bust guy if he's inactive.