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pittstownkiller
Footballguy
You must be one of them crazy Tea-Party types, FlapJacks.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Abraham
Footballguy
Which part?
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Republicans -----> 
<----- Benghazi
<----- Benghazi
jamny
Footballguy
We need a :headinthesand: smilie for DemsRepublicans ----->
Abraham
Footballguy
Why? Doesn't seem to have changed the election much...what damage do you see it doing to the current administration?We need a :headinthesand: smilie for DemsRepublicans ----->
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
That should be the threshold to warrant an investigation.Why? Doesn't seem to have changed the election much...what damage do you see it doing to the current administration?We need a :headinthesand: smilie for DemsRepublicans ----->
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
Please don't post anymore, Tim has already declared this a nonissue.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
So freaking ridiculous. Bush admin isn't accountable for invading Iraq on manipulated intel, but by God anybody who mislabels something for a couple minutes in Obamas administration and there'd better be hearings.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
How about we hold them both accountable rather than pointing fingers and saying the other party or administration did something wrong? I know the Bush administration bungled the decision to go into Iraq. Time will tell what went on here.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
It seems very obvious that those in charge don't seem to want to cooperate. At this point why they don't just come forth with any "secrets" or special info, there is no risk of re-election, just lay all the cards out on the table.
Feels like under other administrations there would have been a measured and adequate response, now we do nothing it seems.
Feels like under other administrations there would have been a measured and adequate response, now we do nothing it seems.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Glad MOP and Pittstownbraincellkiller got to the bottom of this. 
bigbottom
Footballguy
You don't think a scandal on Secretary Clinton's watch has value to the GOP facing a likely Clinton candidacy?Why? Doesn't seem to have changed the election much...what damage do you see it doing to the current administration?We need a :headinthesand: smilie for DemsRepublicans ----->
Sand
Footballguy
I'd be careful about your inflammatory speech here - the current admin is recording everything you say electronically for further review.
beer 302
Footballguy
I figure they won't get to my comments before 2026 and I'll be a drooling fool that you good people are paying to have my diaper changed so I'm good
Abraham
Footballguy
Oh I'm sure the GOP will screw it up somehow.You don't think a scandal on Secretary Clinton's watch has value to the GOP facing a likely Clinton candidacy?Why? Doesn't seem to have changed the election much...what damage do you see it doing to the current administration?We need a :headinthesand: smilie for DemsRepublicans ----->
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Can't they both be wrong? And I like how you minimize the debacle.. "mislabels something for a couple minutes" Yea that's all it was.. No harm or inappropriate behavior here...
It was deliberately mislabeled in a cover up attempt.
pittstownkiller
Footballguy
No, there is nothing to see here; Clinton is a shoe-in as the nominee...You don't think a scandal on Secretary Clinton's watch has value to the GOP facing a likely Clinton candidacy?Why? Doesn't seem to have changed the election much...what damage do you see it doing to the current administration?We need a :headinthesand: smilie for DemsRepublicans ----->
Politician Spock
Footballguy
Republicans represented by swinging a stick is pretty spot on to me.Republicans ----->
But 4 Americans killed in Benghazi represented by a dead horse is pretty classless.
I'd like the families of the deceased to find out the truth. They deserve to know it. I hope the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee gets the testimony they need this week to give the families the truth.
It's unfortunate that finding out the truth of what happened has to be dominated by the over aggressiveness of republicans and over passiveness of democrats on the issue. Both approaches by the parties are disrespectful to the deceased and their families.
tommyboy
Footballguy
this might end up being the worst week ever for Clinton and Obama. We'll see what comes out on Wed.
regardless of whatever testimony comes to light, the entire saga was and continues to be a gigantic joke. We had ample warnings, we ignored them, we didn't react when the attacks began and turned our back on those people. We still haven't gone after the perps, haven't even bothered with a drone strike, even though we know who the perps are. And a guy that had nothing to do with the reason this attack occured, was jailed by this administration and still sits in jail. All of it is pathetic.
regardless of whatever testimony comes to light, the entire saga was and continues to be a gigantic joke. We had ample warnings, we ignored them, we didn't react when the attacks began and turned our back on those people. We still haven't gone after the perps, haven't even bothered with a drone strike, even though we know who the perps are. And a guy that had nothing to do with the reason this attack occured, was jailed by this administration and still sits in jail. All of it is pathetic.
Sand
Footballguy
DamnRepublicans represented by swinging a stick is pretty spot on to me.Republicans ----->
But 4 Americans killed in Benghazi represented by a dead horse is pretty classless.
I'd like the families of the deceased to find out the truth. They deserve to know it. I hope the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee gets the testimony they need this week to give the families the truth.
It's unfortunate that finding out the truth of what happened has to be dominated by the over aggressiveness of republicans and over passiveness of democrats on the issue. Both approaches by the parties are disrespectful to the deceased and their families.
Sadly it will only be by the over aggressiveness of Republicans that we will figure out what happened. For the Democrat party it happened "so long ago" (the families surely appreciate that comment, Jay Carney) it really isn't worth bothering looking into.
Don't forget the FBI just releasing pictures of the perps 8 months later. Still shaking my head over that one.
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SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN KARACHI?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN UZBEKISTAN?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN SAUDI ARABIA?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN SYRIA?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN YEMEN?
Why is Benghazi a big deal. and yet these are not?????
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN UZBEKISTAN?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN SAUDI ARABIA?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN SYRIA?
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN YEMEN?
Why is Benghazi a big deal. and yet these are not?????
timschochet
Footballguy
Whenever you have the following:
1. House of Representatives and President from opposite political parties.
2. Unclear incident in which people die due to mistakes or mishaps by the federal government.
3. Government officials, usually low level, playing the "cover your ###" game, which involves changing details of the story afterward to make it more confusing.
4. A grass roots movement that hates the President, and is willing to accept any conspiracy.
...what you get are Congressional hearings, which dig endlessly into the matter, designed with one purpose: to embarrass the President. We as taxpayers pay millions of dollars in order to supposedly uncover the "truth"- but the "truth" is almost never uncovered because there is usually no smoking gun. Watergate was the ONE time there was a smoking gun. In all the years since, and all the endless investigations since (Iran-Contra, Whitewater, Fast and Furious, just to name a few) nothing ever happens, nobody gives a ####. Nothing is going to happen this time around either. Just a big yawner.
1. House of Representatives and President from opposite political parties.
2. Unclear incident in which people die due to mistakes or mishaps by the federal government.
3. Government officials, usually low level, playing the "cover your ###" game, which involves changing details of the story afterward to make it more confusing.
4. A grass roots movement that hates the President, and is willing to accept any conspiracy.
...what you get are Congressional hearings, which dig endlessly into the matter, designed with one purpose: to embarrass the President. We as taxpayers pay millions of dollars in order to supposedly uncover the "truth"- but the "truth" is almost never uncovered because there is usually no smoking gun. Watergate was the ONE time there was a smoking gun. In all the years since, and all the endless investigations since (Iran-Contra, Whitewater, Fast and Furious, just to name a few) nothing ever happens, nobody gives a ####. Nothing is going to happen this time around either. Just a big yawner.
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squistion
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Nobody (or most people) doesn't care because most of the media adores Obama and won't go on and on about anything that makes him look bad, but trust me, if the switch was flipped and it had been a Republican in the White House when this happened, they wouldn't stop talking about it, and then plenty of people would care. But the media for the most part doesn't talk about it, and when it is brought up, you get that "Oh, we are still talking about this?" answer from the White House. Jay Carney even said last week that Benghazi was a "long time ago" 
, so that shows you how much the White House is trying to bury this.
And of course the GOP's interest in this is politically-motivated, but that doesn't mean that there is nothing there. And if the situation had been reversed, as I said earlier, the GOP would have done everything possible to bury it as well, so this is nothing new, from either side. They both suck.
, so that shows you how much the White House is trying to bury this.And of course the GOP's interest in this is politically-motivated, but that doesn't mean that there is nothing there. And if the situation had been reversed, as I said earlier, the GOP would have done everything possible to bury it as well, so this is nothing new, from either side. They both suck.
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SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Nobody (or most people) doesn't care because most of the media adores Obama and won't go on and on about anything that makes him look bad, but trust me, if the switch was flipped and it had been a Republican in the White House when this happened, they wouldn't stop talking about it, and then plenty of people would care. But the media for the most part doesn't talk about it, and when it is brought up, you get that "Oh, we are still talking about this?" answer from the White House. Jay Carney even said last week that Benghazi was a "long time ago"
And of course the GOP's interest in this is politically-motivated, but that doesn't mean that there is nothing there. And if the situation had been reversed, as I said earlier, the GOP would have done everything possible to bury it as well, so this is nothing new, from either side. They both suck.
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Oh, I agree. To make a big deal out of one and not another is lame (and typical of the GOP), but that doesn't mean we should ignore everything.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
timschochet
Footballguy
Doubt it. We've had those too- October Surprise, Iran-Contra, Iraq talking points memo, Valerie Plame, etc. I could go on and on- those are just a few examples. The only ones that cared were liberal partisans. The public never gave a #### about any of it.Nobody (or most people) doesn't care because most of the media adores Obama and won't go on and on about anything that makes him look bad, but trust me, if the switch was flipped and it had been a Republican in the White House when this happened, they wouldn't stop talking about it, and then plenty of people would care. But the media for the most part doesn't talk about it, and when it is brought up, you get that "Oh, we are still talking about this?" answer from the White House. Jay Carney even said last week that Benghazi was a "long time ago"
And of course the GOP's interest in this is politically-motivated, but that doesn't mean that there is nothing there. And if the situation had been reversed, as I said earlier, the GOP would have done everything possible to bury it as well, so this is nothing new, from either side. They both suck.
tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Bury what? The important questions to be raised are all about why we didn't have adequate security at the embassy. What was the process and why did it fail? How can we improve the system so that we can prevent this from happening again, or how can react more quickly and provide aid when it inevitably does happen again?Nobody (or most people) doesn't care because most of the media adores Obama and won't go on and on about anything that makes him look bad, but trust me, if the switch was flipped and it had been a Republican in the White House when this happened, they wouldn't stop talking about it, and then plenty of people would care. But the media for the most part doesn't talk about it, and when it is brought up, you get that "Oh, we are still talking about this?" answer from the White House. Jay Carney even said last week that Benghazi was a "long time ago"
And of course the GOP's interest in this is politically-motivated, but that doesn't mean that there is nothing there. And if the situation had been reversed, as I said earlier, the GOP would have done everything possible to bury it as well, so this is nothing new, from either side. They both suck.
Of course those aren't the questions being asked by House Republicans. They simply want to know why the administration was cautious with calling it a terrorist attack afterward. Which is silly.
timschochet
Footballguy
jamny
Footballguy
Politician Spock
Footballguy
They all should be big deals. They're not because Americans for the most part don't care much about terrorism... except when it happens on our turf.SmoovySmoov said:
When people are killed in a terrorist act on American soil nearly every single American wants to know the who, what, where, when, why and how and we're glued to their TV sets and internet feeds hoping to get those awswer as soon as possible.
But when terrorism occurs in foriegn countries, even when Americans are killed, most Americans are
And the media doesn't want to waste time on stories that Americans find boring.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
I dunno, but a few died in Iraq. And actually a #### load more innocent Iraqi civilians died. But they were brown, so they don't really count. But now this situation is really something we need to get to the bottom of. I mean, NOT CALLING IT TERRORISM RIGHT AWAY? OMGOMGOMGOMGOMG!!!!! And this was in such a safe place, too. It could have just as easily happened in Pentagon City.
squistion
Footballguy
Or about the lies and misinformation about WMDs and Sadam's ties to Al Qaeda that led us into the war in Iraq.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
10 in Karachi. In Uzbekistan, 2 were killed and 9 were wounded. 8 in Saudi Arabia. 1 in Syria. 10 in Yemen.
So, there's that.
RBM
Footballguy
How many innocent Americans died in those?
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Psst, these are examples of American embassy attacks that happened during the Bush years.They all should be big deals. They're not because Americans for the most part don't care much about terrorism... except when it happens on our turf.SmoovySmoov said:
When people are killed in a terrorist act on American soil nearly every single American wants to know the who, what, where, when, why and how and we're glued to their TV sets and internet feeds hoping to get those awswer as soon as possible.
But when terrorism occurs in foriegn countries, even when Americans are killed, most Americans are
And the media doesn't want to waste time on stories that Americans find boring.
HTH
Politician Spock
Footballguy
And that should make a difference to me because....Psst, these are examples of American embassy attacks that happened during the Bush years.They all should be big deals. They're not because Americans for the most part don't care much about terrorism... except when it happens on our turf.SmoovySmoov said:
When people are killed in a terrorist act on American soil nearly every single American wants to know the who, what, where, when, why and how and we're glued to their TV sets and internet feeds hoping to get those awswer as soon as possible.
But when terrorism occurs in foriegn countries, even when Americans are killed, most Americans are
And the media doesn't want to waste time on stories that Americans find boring.
HTH
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Because that's the way RBM wants it.And that should make a difference to me because....Psst, these are examples of American embassy attacks that happened during the Bush years.They all should be big deals. They're not because Americans for the most part don't care much about terrorism... except when it happens on our turf.SmoovySmoov said:
When people are killed in a terrorist act on American soil nearly every single American wants to know the who, what, where, when, why and how and we're glued to their TV sets and internet feeds hoping to get those awswer as soon as possible.
But when terrorism occurs in foriegn countries, even when Americans are killed, most Americans are
And the media doesn't want to waste time on stories that Americans find boring.
HTH
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SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
they have families, too.And that should make a difference to me because....Psst, these are examples of American embassy attacks that happened during the Bush years.They all should be big deals. They're not because Americans for the most part don't care much about terrorism... except when it happens on our turf.SmoovySmoov said:
When people are killed in a terrorist act on American soil nearly every single American wants to know the who, what, where, when, why and how and we're glued to their TV sets and internet feeds hoping to get those awswer as soon as possible.
But when terrorism occurs in foriegn countries, even when Americans are killed, most Americans are
And the media doesn't want to waste time on stories that Americans find boring.
HTH
jamny
Footballguy
I said Americans.
Might want to look closer. One killed in Pakistan and that wasn't at the embassy but down the block near a Marriott.
So, there's that.
Doctor Detroit
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Nine Americans died in the Saudi Arabia compound attacks, 31 total. Fairly similar events although executing them in Saudi Arabia is much more difficult than in what was a remote outpost in Libya.
Circumstances were different however since the Americans in Saudi Arabia were to be protected by host nation exclusively while in Libya it should have bee a mix of host nation and U.S. personnel.
SmoovySmoov
The Way of the Samurai
Most human beings typically care when anyone dies, not just Americans. How many Americans died in Iraq?
So, there's that.
Doctor Detroit
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Why are we saying, "so there's that" all the time? You guys sound like my 13-year-old niece.
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