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Uhhhh….Antonio Brown just quit mid game (1 Viewer)
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Banger
Footballguy
for those who haven't seen it, here's Brady's response...
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1477785708425359362
AB is clearly not right in the head and Tom is saying as much.
https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1477785708425359362
AB is clearly not right in the head and Tom is saying as much.
habsfan
Footballguy
A very human and pragmatic response but I have to think Tom the football player has some additional, less charitable thoughts as well.
He has issues that go beyond football and as a human being I hope he gets the help he needs.
As a football player ,with all the b.s. we've seen from him in the past, he just commited the ultimate "sin",he quit on his teamates. Some or many of them will support him,none will forgive him for this incident.
As a football player ,with all the b.s. we've seen from him in the past, he just commited the ultimate "sin",he quit on his teamates. Some or many of them will support him,none will forgive him for this incident.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Your post literally said, "Will be interesting to compare ..."
Anyway, I'm not going to play this silly parsing game. You seem upset that people didn't understand your original post. So why don't you just tell us what point you were trying to make?
Banger
Footballguy
ya, this was certainly the last straw and he only got that opportunity due to Brady and his pull and he still managed to blow it up. Had Godwin and Evans not gotten hurt 2 weeks ago he would've been cut then.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
Had the three Browns as my WR's, starting only two. Also started AJ over Amon-A.
Still have Najee, but am 20 points underwater in non-ppr.
After Glazer reported him running fleet-footed in pregame, I subbed him in over Amon-a. All signs pointed to AB having a blowup game, and he certainly did "blow up". All factors considered, I made the right call.....that was ultimately wrong, of course. That's fantasy football.....crazy end to a crazy season.
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Stat Correction
Footballguy
Been playing since 1999 and have seen it all, so to me it says, although there is definitely some skill involved (usually) in navigating your way to the playoffs, it's basically a coin flip from there.
Sometimes you call em right......sometimes you don't. I never set my lineups based entirely on rankings, but a consensus of the top 40 "experts" this week had AJ at WR5, AB at WR8, and Amon-a at WR23. Guess they all suck and should have seen this coming too. But, hey, glad you won the Championship in all your leagues. I'll be sure to consult you for future lineup decisions. Happy New Year.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Hopefully the full story comes out at some point.
Sounds like Brown believed he was injured, the Bucs did not and told him to go in, he refused and they told him to leave on the spot.
So it really may come down to was he actually injured and why did the Bucs believe he was not to the point they’d tell him to leave.
Sounds like Brown believed he was injured, the Bucs did not and told him to go in, he refused and they told him to leave on the spot.
So it really may come down to was he actually injured and why did the Bucs believe he was not to the point they’d tell him to leave.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Looked pretty healthy doing jumping jacks in front of the crowd and then running off the field.
That being said Brown might be bi-polar. Browns history is that of instant knee jerk decisons and reactions, then at time remorse. This is on and off the field including run ins with his family.
Last night he posted a picture of himself in a Bucs uniform saying "Thanks for the opportunity"
That in itself is bizarre.
I've posted this previously but according to a long time and still current scout when AB entered the league everyone team knew he was bi-polar and that's why he made it to round 6. Another now ex-scout confirmed this and both said their teams took him off their board.
It's possible he incurred CTE related damage because he sure did seem to change after the Burfict hit. He also might have narcissistic personality disorder.
I've no doubt he's got severe mental health issues and likely runs a gamut.
Afraid for his sake those mental health issues might get you a longer leash at times and some needed compassion and understanding but at the end of the day even mentally ill people are held accountable for their actions.
Banger
Footballguy
Erratic behavior and mood swings are some of the main CTE symptoms. I think it's highly likely that is an underlying issue.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
The league should be fining Brown for a uniform violation. That was way more than having your shirt untucked or your socks too low.
Seems the Bucs should have drawn a penalty. When he left he crossed into the field of play. They therefore had 12 men on the field, though I suppose not in the huddle.
Bruce Aryans sold his soul. By bringing Brown in originally he declared he did not run the team, Brady did. By bringing him back after the forged card thing Aryans declared winning trumps character or rules. Glad this blew up on him. No one else to blame but himself. I am just glad his placing winning in front of doing so with character bit him in the posterior. So too for Brady.
Seems the Bucs should have drawn a penalty. When he left he crossed into the field of play. They therefore had 12 men on the field, though I suppose not in the huddle.
Bruce Aryans sold his soul. By bringing Brown in originally he declared he did not run the team, Brady did. By bringing him back after the forged card thing Aryans declared winning trumps character or rules. Glad this blew up on him. No one else to blame but himself. I am just glad his placing winning in front of doing so with character bit him in the posterior. So too for Brady.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
BTW, being a bit facetious. A bit.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
He's done it before but yet was welcomed with open arms by other teams. I think he is just ran out of second chances but you never know, some team might be foolish enough to give him one more shot...
Antonio Brown has had behavior issues/mood swings since at least high school, so unless you think his brain got damaged in his early years of playing football I'm not giving him the benefit of the doubt that his behavior over the years is simply the result of football head related injuries.
Banger
Footballguy
Teams are willing to take chances on character if you can get the production payoff. Brown spent half the year injured and several games suspended and while he played he was still good but that was with the GOAT throwing him the ball. Next year he'll be 34 and has baggage beyond belief and unless he goes to serious counseling / gets medicated to enable him to be a functional player (which I think there is a zero % chance of that happening) we've seen his last game in the NFL.
fatness
Footballguy
If what Rapaport is reporting is true, that kind of changes things. I'm not sure many FBGs are in favor of players reporting themselves injured during a game, only to be give the choice on the sideline to "get back in there or lose your job."
Banger
Footballguy
certainly possible he has had mental issues his entire life but over the last couple years his behavior has gone completely bizarre. Behavior that just makes no sense. CTE is real whether you believe it or not and given his position and the hits he's taken over a sustained period of time there's little doubt in my mind that it's playing a role in what we're witnessing and will continue to witness until he's dead or in jail unfortunately.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
With his previous frostbite of the feet issue could he have have played in the cold in Lambeau? Arent such things massively aggravated by cold weather? Heck, maybe his feet were hurting yesterday. In fact I am going to say that Aryans ought to give him some more fourth second chance. What could it hurt?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
boilerdave
Footballguy
i haven’t seen you here in a long time. Glad you’re ok.
Banger
Footballguy
None of this excuses AB's actions but I do think Arian's added fuel to the fire. I think it all started with the fake vaccination card and just speculating but Arain's constant talk about AB's roster spot not being secure I think just alienated him. I mean you got a guy with likely severe mental issues who can't be around the team for a few weeks and hearing his coach say he may get cut and I think he went down a bad road mentally. I could kind of tell when AB fired off that tweet after Evans/Godwin got hurt when he tweeted something about be careful how you treat people because you never knew when you might need them. That's when I started to realize the relationship was frayed.
So to me Arian's ego got in the way of the proper way to manage a head case like AB. I think things tarted to go off the rails and two very stubborn men just dug in and situation just escalated. This is not mean to absolve AB of his actions.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Yep, Look at TO, Ocho, Randy Moss. Pacman, Burris, Britt, the list goes on and on.
Same with Brown. If they can still play at a high level teams will continue to take a chance. When the play does not match the problems they are gone. Mediocre problem players get one chance.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
ignatiusjreilly said:Your post literally said, "Will be interesting to compare ..."
Anyway, I'm not going to play this silly parsing game. You seem upset that people didn't understand your original post. So why don't you just tell us what point you were trying to make?
I'm upset? Here's the statement, in all its glory - "Will be interesting to compare the media takes on Brown to what was said about Osaka and Biles." No point was made. No comparison was made. Others were triggered by this for unknown reasons. I still think it will be interesting.
Lehigh98
Footballguy
In this day and age we definitely need @dkeato to update theStat Correction said:No matter what is ultimately deemed the actual reason(s) for his unprecedented walk-off today, at the end of the day he very likely cost me a Championship.
Yeah, yeah....I know....it's only fantasy football, but that's not only uncool, but it's hurts the pocketbook and negates 17 weeks of hard work.
Wish that ankle would have kept him out today. Sat Amon-Ra St. Brown for him.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
off base, Bitterman. This was pretty hard to forecast. You had Brown against the Jets with no Godwin and a limited Evans. Should have been a smash spot. Only question was the ankle and judging by how he skipped through the end zone shirtless to finish his career that was a non issue. He was top 10 everywhere. St. Brown was hard to bench - I get it. But no need for the "lose canon" sic diatribeRally Monkey said:
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Rally Monkey said:
Webster's dictionary defines a "lose canon" as a collection of religious documents which inhibit victory.
Carry on.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
Although you may be right this is really unnecessary. Especially after the fact. imho.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
They were discussing this on sports talk radio most of the day. AB didn't practice much (if at all) last week with an ankle injury. He played the first half, but according to himself, tweaked the injury and didn't feel it was stable enough for him to keep playing. The injury kept him out multiple games earlier in the year . . . and then he got suspended for the fake COVID vaccination card before he was due to return. Who knows if he was milking the injury as a way to get out of practice? Or the game? Or if Arians wanted out and wanted a reason to dump him?GroveDiesel said:
Maybe AB went to the trainer at halftime and said he was hurt. We don't know what led up to him refusing to go on the field. I am not taking AB's side . . . only suggesting we may not have heard the whole story. Clearly, he should not have thrown his equipment into the stands (and he's had a blotter of other infractions). Will have to see what else comes out.
Here is what I think went down and I feel pretty strong that I'm on the right path.
The injury story is a half truth. Basically AB's foot was probably bothering him but in large part for his incentives he was going to try and tough it out.
But then AB saw just 5 targets on his first 26 snaps. I think that's why he snapped and did not re-enter the game. That his thinking was I'm not gutting it out here on a bum foot to be a decoy so he said he was not feeling good and did not want to re-enter the game.
That's it. Arain's probably did not help the situation and I think to a degree he was playing hardball with AB. I'm sure a lot of you remember how the team went out of it's way to help Evans hit some incentives last year and when AB felt he was not being treated the same way he lost it.
The injury story is a half truth. Basically AB's foot was probably bothering him but in large part for his incentives he was going to try and tough it out.
But then AB saw just 5 targets on his first 26 snaps. I think that's why he snapped and did not re-enter the game. That his thinking was I'm not gutting it out here on a bum foot to be a decoy so he said he was not feeling good and did not want to re-enter the game.
That's it. Arain's probably did not help the situation and I think to a degree he was playing hardball with AB. I'm sure a lot of you remember how the team went out of it's way to help Evans hit some incentives last year and when AB felt he was not being treated the same way he lost it.
Capella
Footballguy
I’m very much on record here as being anti-Arians as a good coach, but the account seems to be he told AB to go in, AB said no, Bruce told him again, AB said he was hurt and Bruce said ok you’re done for the day then if you’re hurt and AB flipped.
Could be wrong, but seeing Mike Evans plead with AB before finally giving up means it probably isn’t.
Could be wrong, but seeing Mike Evans plead with AB before finally giving up means it probably isn’t.
Capella
Footballguy
Tom went very very very much out of his way to make sure AB got his incentives last year in week 17.
I remember but they also Godwin sat and Brady still needed to try and get on same page as AB so I think while there is more to "just trying to get AB" his incentives that week.
So...he was pacing for 10 or so targets?
Seems ridiculous to say that wasn't enough. Not generous perhaps, but FAR FAR from ignored
Anarchy99
Footballguy
This doesn't add up. Seeing "just 5 targets on 26 snaps" is still a ton of targets. That's on paces for 10+ targets in a game, which is a lot. He needed 8 catches, 55 yards, and 1 TD to hit $333,333 in incentives. If he hit them all, he'd have gotten $1 million. He had a game and a half left to get them.
Why on earth would he refuse to play when he was so close to making a decent chunk of change? Refusing to play would guarantee he wouldn't hit those numbers.
IIRC, this line of reasoning has already been researched and ruled out by members of the media. At least that's what I heard on talk radio. Maybe they are misinformed, but it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Banger
Footballguy
I don't know that applying sound logic to the situation is going to give you answers....AB clearly isn't logical in anything he does.
JaxBill
Footballguy
Interesting. I wonder if the union or his agent got involved. If he's waived, does he lose access to mental health services? Are they worried that he claimed his ankle hurt and you can't waive injured player?
@AdamSchefter: Bucs did not officially release WR Antonio Brown on today’s wire, per source. There are ongoing discussions with the NFL about how to move ahead in this situation.
@AdamSchefter: Bucs did not officially release WR Antonio Brown on today’s wire, per source. There are ongoing discussions with the NFL about how to move ahead in this situation.
BoltNlava
Footballguy
I almost think he should sign 1 game contracts to the highest bidder. He could be a trailblazing gun for hire. That way he wouldn't have any horribly cumbersome relationships to nurture and can quit on teams every day! Of course that last week signing better be a good one. 
grateful zed
Footballguy
btw, simome biles won athlete time's of the year.
Stat Correction
Footballguy
I disagree, Mr. Hindsight. AB had 15 targets the previous week and was their only healthy WR1, had immense financial incentives, and had Brady throwing him the ball....not Tim Boyle, who Amon-A had played only one game with. You are acting like I started Marvin Jones over him or something.
Although I wouldn't fault anyone for starting Amon over AB (and was going to do so myself until it was revealed that AB appeared fully healthy in pregame), it was the riskier proposition, without a doubt. Would anyone have been surprised to see AB go for 10/134/2 yesterday? Not me.
So, ridicule away.....I can take it. Malpractice, though? Hardly.....unless you want to accuse nearly every prognosticator in the country of that same pejorative. In my mind, I made the right call.....but ofttimes that simply is not enough in FF. So, you are either being purposely obtuse, or purposely abrasive. In either case, I have no time for you.
Ok, but to me literally adds up.
He played 7 games with Godwin and Evans last year. He averaged 38 snaps and 7 targets a game. That was almost his exact pace yesterday. It's not just targets, it's both his targets and snaps being used like when Godwin and Evans were healthy. In other words a part time player.
Last year he played the one game without Godwin and incentives played a part for sure and helped him get 14 targets. Last week with no Evans or Godwin he got 15 targets. That's a ton of targets. Yesterday with Evans not at 100% and Godwin of course out he was being used almost the same exact amount as when a healthy Godwin and Evans were suiting up last year. And this was a game they were trailing early, to a team with one of worst secondaries in the league and they were running out of RB's. So you can say 5 targets on 26 snaps is a lot but to me it's relevant to and to me both the snaps and targets were low, at least-and this is key, lower then what AB thought he should be getting.
Not for nothing but AB has "liked" two tweets since this went down.One was over his song getting released. The other was from the rapper Kodak Black who tweeted out something along the lines of AB would not do that for no reason and that he had fines to pay and that the people knew it and would not put him in the game so he could hit the bonuses and that would frustrate anyone.
Again that's what the rapper tweeted and he liked and a few things in that tweet I'd say don't add up, one of which I'll say below, but I think that's a window into AB's mindset. Keeping in mind I'm not saying AB had any right to argue over targets or snaps, I'm speculating on his mindset, now what right he had to think that way.
That's rationale thinking I'm not sure is applicable to AB or his mindset which is part that tweet by that rapper is missing. A rationale person would tell the staff that your ankle does not feel good, and since he was subbing out a lot in a game they needed him I don't see how they could have objected. A rationale mind would then assume he can just come back next week and hit the incentives. Again just speculating but I'd guess this was what AB was initially thinking but then snapped.
Which begs the question of why he snapped which is kind of back to square one. Seems obvious was something in that conversation that Bruce Arians said took place. Either Arians benched him for reasons we don't know and AB just lost it or AB refused to go back into the game and either did not indicate it was for his foot or Arians did not buy it and told him so and he lost it.
This again is just my thoughts but as clearly as I can say if AB had been getting targeted and playing snaps like he was last week this would have never taken place.
I am not justifying him one bit, again just trying to look at it from his narcissistic mindset. I still won't give Bruce a pass however and think he might have poured gasoline on the whole thing.
This is a bit long but I thought was a great balanced take on condition of his ankle and how this whole situation might have all gone down: https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/status/1478114803478503425
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Brown had played 26 of 36 snaps. That’s 72%. Evans ended the game playing 76% of snaps. I don’t see anything different or unusual in how AB was being used, see nothing to indicate that the team was trying to keep him from getting his incentives, and even less reason to keep him on the sidelines when the team was down 2 TD.
The point being, if AB was so concerned about hitting his incentives and making another $1 million (in addition to making a playoff run and making additional money), then refusing to play made no sense even for AB.
What WOULD have made more sense is if AB hit his incentives AND THEN refused to play. That would be very AB like.
Arians has since refuted the reports that Brown said he was hurt and Arians was trying to force him back into the game. If Brown’s story was true, he’d likely have a good case for a grievance with the player’s union. I am sure more will come out about all this.
The point being, if AB was so concerned about hitting his incentives and making another $1 million (in addition to making a playoff run and making additional money), then refusing to play made no sense even for AB.
What WOULD have made more sense is if AB hit his incentives AND THEN refused to play. That would be very AB like.
Arians has since refuted the reports that Brown said he was hurt and Arians was trying to force him back into the game. If Brown’s story was true, he’d likely have a good case for a grievance with the player’s union. I am sure more will come out about all this.
