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UK Elections - June 2017 (1 Viewer)

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What the hell is going on over there? May might get tossed on her ### and the Tories will need to form a coalition government?  Is Brexit in jeopardy if Labour pulls off a miracle?

 
What the hell is going on over there? May might get tossed on her ### and the Tories will need to form a coalition government?  Is Brexit in jeopardy if Labour pulls off a miracle?
Tough to project yourself as the law and order party when you've just had two terror attacks and the Conservatives have cut the police force. The reductions to Elder care didn't do her any favors either.

Then you throw in Corbyn's antipathy towards the EU and he's not terribly unattractive to folks that want to keep the social nets, but keep Brexit moving forward.

 
I've been watching Sky News for the last couple of hours.  The fringe party candidates standing on the stage as the results are announced are like something out of Monty Python.

 
It's been a bad day for May but also for the Lib Dems, SNP and UKIP.  

Labour and the Tories are becoming a duopoly.

 
If the BBC prediction holds it looks like Labour will be the only one to truly form a minority government.  My understanding is the the only people that will work with the Tories is the 3 Irish seats

 
The margin will be razor thin either way.  The net result will probably be an ungovernable mess but they can worry about that tomorrow.

 
Tough to project yourself as the law and order party when you've just had two terror attacks and the Conservatives have cut the police force. The reductions to Elder care didn't do her any favors either.

Then you throw in Corbyn's antipathy towards the EU and he's not terribly unattractive to folks that want to keep the social nets, but keep Brexit moving forward.
Corbyn thanked the police and talk about the importance of a fully staffed police force . Law and order always appeals the the public

 
The civilized world all seems to be moving in a certain direction. Less one country.
America saving western Europe yet again.  This time is just by showing them what happens when you put alt-right #### giboons in actual power

 
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We shouldn't lose sight that these are elections in small parliamentary constituencies.  The local issues are as important as the global ones.

 
SNP's losses in Scotland are a big swing back toward union.  This may end up being a more lasting outcome of this election than the Labour-Conservative results who will fight on towards the next election.

 
Huge night for Corbyn. Biggest gain for Labour since the late 90s and best seat results in quite some time.

Terrible night for May. Threw away 3 years of clear majority because she thought she could crush Labour and do whatever she wanted. So arrogant she flaunted her screw the people plans. Already hearing rumors of a leadership fight. That will not be fun for the Conservatives.

And lastly an interesting return to two party politics essentially. Coincidentally multi-party politics really energized with entering the EU. 2 party reasserting itself with the exit.

 
NCC deserves a hat tip for being out ahead of this on FFA. It deserves attention so thanks for the OP too.

Im going to have an open mind on Corbyn, so all ears.

 
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Anyone have any views or news on this?

I'm pulling for Remain & Union. Have these been helped tonight?
Brexit is still going forward but not at a rapid pace.  Hard Brexit is dead for the foreseeable future.  Labour doesn't have a lot of wiggle room on the issue.  Their base includes the North where Brexit gained a lot of support. 

Union is helped by SNP's losses in Scotland and the defeat of a couple of key party leaders.

 
I know very little about the politics here. In Canada, a coalition government would form (multiple parties with no majority come together), so I assume that what happens here, but where do the Scottish National Party, the Liberal Democrats and the Democrat Unionist Party fall (okay, I can guess on those last two). Seems they all lean left and can with the labour party maybe come together to form the government against May.

More importantly, how pissed off is my pro-Brexit, pro-Trump brother in law tomorrow morning?

Also, GB Trump pushing every traditional leading influential country towards globalist, liberal governments, sorry the USA had to be sacrificed for the greater good, but likely worth it in the end.

 
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I know very little about the politics here. In Canada, a coalition government would form (multiple parties with no majority come together), so I assume that what happens here, but where do the Scottish National Party, the Liberal Democrats and the Democrat Unionist Party fall (okay, I can guess on those last two). Seems they all lean left and can with the labour party maybe come together to form the government against May.
The Democratic Unionist Party's stronghold is Northern Ireland.  The DUP and Sinn Fein are the political evolution of the rival factions from the Troubles.

They're the only party that is a likely coalition partner for the Tories.

 
What the hell is going on over there? May might get tossed on her ### and the Tories will need to form a coalition government?  Is Brexit in jeopardy if Labour pulls off a miracle?
Nope. Article 50 has been invoked and even Labour+Lib Dem+SNP won't get to majority

America saving western Europe yet again.  This time is just by showing them what happens when you put alt-right #### giboons in actual power
May is hardly alt right. Farage is (and so is the rest of UKIP)

Huge night for Corbyn. Biggest gain for Labour since the late 90s and best seat results in quite some time.

Terrible night for May. Threw away 3 years of clear majority because she thought she could crush Labour and do whatever she wanted. So arrogant she flaunted her screw the people plans. Already hearing rumors of a leadership fight. That will not be fun for the Conservatives.

And lastly an interesting return to two party politics essentially. Coincidentally multi-party politics really energized with entering the EU. 2 party reasserting itself with the exit.
Boris chomping at the bit....

 
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I wonder, does this count as a "strong mandate" in May's mind?

(Not that it matters, the EU had already made that clear)

 
Nope. Article 50 has been invoked and even Labour+Lib Dem+SNP won't get to majority

May is hardly alt right. Farage is (and so is the rest of UKIP)

Boris chomping at the bit....
Great news about UKIP taking a bath.  Hopefully this means the good guys have realized this mini nationalist movement should be nipped in the bud.

 
The civilized world all seems to be moving in a certain direction. Less one country.
Its all moving to the right.  Labour might celebrate this as an upset.  But when you look at the big picture, we go back and forth between left and right and every time the left has a victory, its smaller than the last.   

All labour was able to do was prevent the tories from winning a clear majority. This wont give you a labour government.   If this is the crest of a labor wave, labour is finished.  

 
The next time democrats win the white house, it will probably be with a narrower margin of victory in the electoral college and they wont win the house.   Theyll try to spin it as a mandate for change and progress, but what it will actually show is that the dems wave is cresting below the bill clinton wave and the obama wave. The left weakens. 

 
Its all moving to the right.  Labour might celebrate this as an upset.  But when you look at the big picture, we go back and forth between left and right and every time the left has a victory, its smaller than the last.   

All labour was able to do was prevent the tories from winning a clear majority. This wont give you a labour government.   If this is the crest of a labor wave, labour is finished.  
Pretty disappointed this post wasn't about a civil war...

 
The next time democrats win the white house, it will probably be with a narrower margin of victory in the electoral college and they wont win the house.   Theyll try to spin it as a mandate for change and progress, but what it will actually show is that the dems wave is cresting below the bill clinton wave and the obama wave. The left weakens. 
Normally I would just ignore you, but the biggest loser yesterday was the UKIP party, which is the closest thing to the alt-right in they UK. They won no seats and the head of their party resigned.  Take your lunacy elsewhere.

 
The next time democrats win the white house, it will probably be with a narrower margin of victory in the electoral college and they wont win the house.   Theyll try to spin it as a mandate for change and progress, but what it will actually show is that the dems wave is cresting below the bill clinton wave and the obama wave. The left weakens. 
I'm convinced that this account is some sort of spam/performance art piece, similar to Horse_ebooks on twitter.  Grab some words or phrases of vague relevance, jumble them together, post, move on to the next one.  I kind of enjoy it.

 
The Conservatives have to appoint a speaker so with the DUP that leaves them a 2 seat majority.  That means that pretty much no one of the 380 odd people in that coalition can be sick or on vacation when there are votes.  Also, I suspect Labour is scrambling madly to convince Sinn Fein to show up as that would give them a majority.  

Also contrary to RiversCo thoughts on the matter, the centre left won about 56% of the vote last night. The problem the left has in a lot of these parliamentary systems is that there are often 3/4 parties on the left.  The conservatives usually are just the one.

 
The Conservatives have to appoint a speaker so with the DUP that leaves them a 2 seat majority.  That means that pretty much no one of the 380 odd people in that coalition can be sick or on vacation when there are votes.  Also, I suspect Labour is scrambling madly to convince Sinn Fein to show up as that would give them a majority.  

Also contrary to RiversCo thoughts on the matter, the centre left won about 56% of the vote last night. The problem the left has in a lot of these parliamentary systems is that there are often 3/4 parties on the left.  The conservatives usually are just the one.
And some of them aren't interested in working with each other.  Last night, I remember the leader of the LibDems saying "There will be no deals" as in they don't plan on working with Labor automatically.

 
And some of them aren't interested in working with each other.  Last night, I remember the leader of the LibDems saying "There will be no deals" as in they don't plan on working with Labor automatically.
And of course the UK wouldn't even been in this mess if the Lib-Dems didn't prop up the Tories awhile back.

 
What I find charming about the UK elections, is that everyone that ran for an MP seat was at the district counting center, then when they announced the winner, all the candidates stood on stage together and the winner gave a speech.  It gave a personal touch to the elections instead of the produced for television effect that the US has.

 
I know very little about the politics here. In Canada, a coalition government would form (multiple parties with no majority come together), so I assume that what happens here, but where do the Scottish National Party, the Liberal Democrats and the Democrat Unionist Party fall (okay, I can guess on those last two). Seems they all lean left and can with the labour party maybe come together to form the government against May.

More importantly, how pissed off is my pro-Brexit, pro-Trump brother in law tomorrow morning?

Also, GB Trump pushing every traditional leading influential country towards globalist, liberal governments, sorry the USA had to be sacrificed for the greater good, but likely worth it in the end.


SNP's losses in Scotland are a big swing back toward union.  This may end up being a more lasting outcome of this election than the Labour-Conservative results who will fight on towards the next election.
The SNP losses are significant, but overstated. From 5 seats in 2005 to 11 in 2010 to 56 in 2015. 35 is their 2nd best result by a mile. In the Scottish Parliament they have been in power for 10 years. Most governments would be severely on the nose after 10 years and they still hold 60% of the seats in Scotland. The big surprise is the 12 or 13 conservative seats in scotland. The tories have been pariahs for the last 30 years thanks to Thatchers policies culminating in the poll tax. The independence movement peaked in 2015, which resulted in the 56 seats. After the No to indepence vote a few years ago, many thought the issue done and dusted, but the brexit vote saw 62% of scots voting to remain in the eu, which led the SNP thinking they could have another vote as the previous one was based on the premise that the UK would remain in europe. The rise in tory seats is due to a lot of people sick of the whole independence thing. 

As far as policies go, the SNP and Lib-Dems occupy the middle ground. They are both reasonably left socially and more conservative fiscally. Like Labour though the fluctuations in policy depends on which wing is in control. In the 70s the SNP where very conservative, whereas now they are progressive, The Lib Dems were close to tree hugging hippies 15-20 years ago, but allied with the tories in 2010 to form government. The response by their voters was to reduce the lib dems from an emerging 3rd force with more than 50 seats to under 10 in 2015. Corbyn is the most left wing labour politician since Kinnock in the 80s and the perfect antidote to the 3rd wayers.

 
And some of them aren't interested in working with each other.  Last night, I remember the leader of the LibDems saying "There will be no deals" as in they don't plan on working with Labor automatically.
That's what would happen in the US.  If the US went to a parliamentary system, the latinos would break off from the democrats and the GOP would steamroll.

 
BBC was complementing any party this morning. Basically said it was thumbs down on both 
Which is a convenient read when Labour just had it's biggest gains in almost 20 years. This was a win for Labour and it's pretty obvious. Heck they grabbed a seat the Conservatives have held since the late 1800s. And all that with every establishment player crapping on Corbin.

 
Which is a convenient read when Labour just had it's biggest gains in almost 20 years. This was a win for Labour and it's pretty obvious. Heck they grabbed a seat the Conservatives have held since the late 1800s. And all that with every establishment player crapping on Corbin.
Corbyn certainly is an interesting character. I read  weeks ago he didn't have the support of 75% of his MPs

 
Corbyn certainly is an interesting character. I read  weeks ago he didn't have the support of 75% of his MPs
Yeah Skynews got a couple.of those folks on to interview and their views had softened quite a bit. One guy was pretty honest he said " after this win how can I go on TV and slag Corbin, it would be ridiculous of me". Labour voters are going to be watching closely to see who gets behind Corbin and not doing so isn't going to be good politics. At least as things stand right now.

 

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