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Archer
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Sammy3469
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TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Pretty sure the route should be 15-501 to Erwin Rd back down the Durham Freeway to 40 then Wade Ave with it ending on Hillsborough St
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Willingham as the grand marshall?Pretty sure the route should be 15-501 to Erwin Rd back down the Durham Freeway to 40 then Wade Ave with it ending on Hillsborough St
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
The Pack Pride float will be something to behold.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
I don't know about that...it sounds like its been taking on water lately.Willingham as the grand marshall?Pretty sure the route should be 15-501 to Erwin Rd back down the Durham Freeway to 40 then Wade Ave with it ending on Hillsborough St
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
The Pack Pride float will be something to behold.
Grand Marshall has some tough competition...I like my grand marshall to be pimpin' though, so I'd go with the guy that started it all...good ole' Marvin Austin.
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pantherclub
Footballguy
tobias gets cranky when Bball offically gets pulled into the crap storm in Chapel Hill. I thought he said many pages ago that would never happen. Crow must be delightful.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
If this was Kentucky they would have already run Calipari out of the NCAA and threw the death penalty at UK. By the way, before the vacate posters jump in, I just wanted to reiterate to you that Calipari was exonerated of all wrong doing with the Camby (booster present) and Rose (act test while in high school). Instead, the NCAA seems to be trying to protect UNC basketball and Roy Williams when they have committed some of the worse fraud in NCAA history. What's wrong with the picture where UNC can get away these crimes and poor Memphis has to vacate a final four because there were some doubts about Derrick Rose's ACT test taken while he was in High School? Talk about double standard. Shame on you NCAA, shame on you!!
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tdoss
Footballguy
Are we avoiding the 440 because of construction?Pretty sure the route should be 15-501 to Erwin Rd back down the Durham Freeway to 40 then Wade Ave with it ending on Hillsborough St
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
Just want to know so I can plan...
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Man, your take on this is just . . . breathtakingly stupid.Are we avoiding the 440 because of construction?Pretty sure the route should be 15-501 to Erwin Rd back down the Durham Freeway to 40 then Wade Ave with it ending on Hillsborough St
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
Just want to know so I can plan...
Man, your take on this is just . . . breathtakingly stupid.Are we avoiding the 440 because of construction?Pretty sure the route should be 15-501 to Erwin Rd back down the Durham Freeway to 40 then Wade Ave with it ending on Hillsborough St
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
Just want to know so I can plan...
tdoss
Footballguy
Sorry bro...Didn't realize the 440 would touch a nerve.Man, your take on this is just . . . breathtakingly stupid.Are we avoiding the 440 because of construction?Pretty sure the route should be 15-501 to Erwin Rd back down the Durham Freeway to 40 then Wade Ave with it ending on Hillsborough St
Hopefully they'll let some NC State and Duke fans pull down the 2005 banner themselves, hang it on a float, and drive it along Route 70 so everyone can gather to celebrate their triumph.
Just want to know so I can plan...
pantherclub
Footballguy
still no tobias or the usual suspects
interesting or telling I should say
interesting or telling I should say
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
It's flattering that I mean so much to you, but I should tell you that I have you and Ripleys on ignore. That's why I usually don't reply to you. I clicked "view it anyway" on this post thinking maybe you had finally learned to lighten up a bit and were chiming in on this "Banner Removal Parade" shtick and we could share a laugh. Alas, no.
I have, however, been here the whole time. That's why my alias and avatar appear next to recent posts. Not sure why you think I haven't been here, or why you think my fictional absence would be "interesting or telling."
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
What if I just lie to you all and tell you that all this stuff is SUPER IMPORTANT to me and that I'm totally sad about it and that I'll never be able to enjoy my memories of UNC basketball or the team going forward ever again. Will that brighten your mood? I want everyone to have a great 4th of July weekend.
pantherclub
Footballguy
oh he mad
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Yeah, I do too so I don't see what you losers are saying. Sorry. When something happens and someone with a brain discusses it, I'll be around.
ETA: I like the parade idea though.
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TLEF316
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Pretty funny that Fats Thomas (same guy that gave PJ the rental cars and Leslie McDonald the phone) bailed out Josh Gordon over the weekend.
Gordon obviously doesn't have any connection with UNC (other than being teammates with Greg Little, who was already linked to Fats) but its just an odd coincidence. You would think a local thug like that guy would try to lay low at some point.
Gordon obviously doesn't have any connection with UNC (other than being teammates with Greg Little, who was already linked to Fats) but its just an odd coincidence. You would think a local thug like that guy would try to lay low at some point.
On an unrelated note, what is up with all the violent crime in Chapel Hill? A student body president gets murdered while being robbed and now a college professor.
All is definitely not well in the "Southern Part of Heaven". <_<
All is definitely not well in the "Southern Part of Heaven". <_<
drfeelgood
Footballguy
pantherclub
Footballguy
lololololololol
So a dude got a concussion weeks ago, nobody was disciplined and this is now coming out? Holy hell UNC whats it going to take for you to get your #### together?
So a dude got a concussion weeks ago, nobody was disciplined and this is now coming out? Holy hell UNC whats it going to take for you to get your #### together?
drfeelgood
Footballguy
Since some squabble over the source of articles, this article came from ESPN. link
UNC report: Sham classes pushed
A report commissioned by the University of North Carolina says school academic advisers steered athletes into sham classes over an 18-year period, but does not directly implicate coaches or athletic administrators in the scheme.
The report, released Wednesday, says academic advisers in North Carolina's athletic department colluded with a manager in the African and Afro-American Studies department for student-athletes to take classes to boost their grade-point averages and keep them eligible in their respective sports.
The classes, in place from 1993 to 2011, were overseen by Debby Crowder, the longtime manager in the African and Afro-American Studies department, and later by the department chairman. They allowed a student to write a paper of at least 10 pages, rather than attend lectures or meeting with professors. The papers were graded by Crowder, who was not a professor. They typically earned an A or B-plus grade.
The report, the third and most comprehensive produced in the matter, said that some academic advisers in the school's Academic Support Program for Student Athletes (APSPA) had ties to Crowder and let her know how high a student's grade needed to be to maintain a 2.0 GPA to be eligible to play. It also said that those advisers pushed Crowder to make exceptions for athletes, including allowing them to enroll in classes after the registration period had ended.
The ASPSA is not part of the athletic department, but is located in the same offices. The report says it clearly steered players to the sham classes.
When Crowder retired in 2009, Julius Nyang'oro, the former chairman of the African and Afro-American Studies department, was urged to maintain the program. He was forced to retire in 2012, and was charged with fraud for holding summer classes that didn't exist. Those charges were dropped when he agreed to cooperate with the investigation.
The report, conducted over eight months and including 126 interviews, was led by Kenneth Wainstein, a former federal prosecutor and FBI counsel who now works for a prestigious Washington D.C. law firm. It does not find involvement at the highest levels of the school administration, but it does fault the school for missing a number of red flags.
Wainstein said investigators found a number of academic advisers saw these classes as "GPA boosters."
"Coaches knew there were easy classes," Wainstein said, but said there was no evidence that coaches or administrators, other than those in APSPA, knew Crowder was grading the course rather than a professor.
School officials said Wednesday that they consider the matter an academic issue as well as an athletic one.
"From the beginning, University has taken the position that these classes started in an academic department by a person employed by academic side of university ... and athletic department took advantage of it," University of North Carolina president Thomas W. Ross said.
The report also detailed a 2009 meeting that academic advisers held with the North Carolina football staff. The meeting, which came as Crowder was retiring, included a slide that noted that the classes were "part of the solution in the past" and allowed athletes not to go to class, not to take notes, not to meet with professors and not to engage with the material.
Butch Davis, the UNC football coach at the time, said he did not remember the presentation, and said that while he was aware there were classes that were easier, he did not know that the seminar courses were graded by an administrator and not by a professor.
The classes, which no longer exist, were available to all students. Student-athletes accounted for 48 percent of the enrollees in those classes.
The report says Crowder and Nyang'oro told investigators that they believed the UNC administration "wanted them to provide this assistance to the student-athletes." Crowder and Nyang'oro cited the administration's inaction over the years, and Nyang'oro cited comments he received from administrators and faculty suggesting their approval. But the investigators said they found no evidence of that.
"Like everyone who reads it, I feel shocked and disappointed," UNC-Chapel Hill chancellor Carol Folt said in a statement. She blamed what she called "the actions of a small number and Inactions of many people" for the problem and said the university had implemented more than 70 improvements to its academic oversight, including personnel changes within the school. Folt would not elaborate on any personnel decisions that have been made.
"When we find people who are accountable, we will take decisive action," she said.
Folt said the school will cooperate with the NCAA, which has not issued any sanctions.
"I can't pre-empt their investigation or speculate about it," Folt said.
The NCAA issued a joint statement with UNC later Wednesday:
"The University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill and the NCAA enforcement staff continue to engage in an independent and cooperative effort to review information of possible NCAA rules violations as announced earlier this year. The university provided the enforcement staff with a copy of the Wainstein Report for its consideration. The information included in the Wainstein Report will be reviewed by the university and the enforcement staff under the same standards that are applied in all NCAA infractions cases. Due to rules put in place by the NCAA membership, neither the university nor the enforcement staff will comment on the substance of the report as it relates to possible NCAA rules violations."
Investigators said they talked once to former UNC academic adviser Mary Willingham, who questioned the literacy level of Tar Heels athletes and said UNC had committed academic misconduct before leaving the job in 2010. A report that Williams told Willingham her only job was to keep his players eligible was not verified; Williams said he didn't believe he had met Willingham, and Willingham, who filed a civil suit against the university in June 2014, did not talk to investigators for a second time to answer that question.
The report listed Wayne Walden -- the Associate Director of ASPSA and academic counselor for a number of sports, including men's basketball from 2003 to '09, and who has worked closely with head men's basketball coach Roy Williams at both Kansas and North Carolina -- as one of the counselors who "steered players into these paper classes." It also said Walden and his predecessor, Burgess McSwain, "routinely called Crowder to arrange classes for their players." The report also said Walden later played a role in the basketball players' move away from the paper-class system.
The report said that Walden acknowledged knowing about irregular aspects of the paper classes, including that Crowder was doing at least some of the paper grading. It added that, when asked whether he shared this information with former UNC assistant and then director of basketball operations Joe Holladay or Williams, Walden could not recall doing so.
Both of the coaches told investigators that they never learned from Walden or anyone else that there was a question about faculty involvement in the classes or that Crowder was doing the grading.
The report said it was unable to corroborate allegations made by former basketball player Rashad McCants to ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote papers for him and his teammates. McCants did not agree to be interviewed for the investigation or offer details to support the claims, the report said.
Seven other players who played with McCants told investigators that they drafted their own papers, and that tutors' involvement was limited to general suggestions and corrections. They said they took the classes because they were easy, but that they did the work themselves.
UNC report: Sham classes pushed
A report commissioned by the University of North Carolina says school academic advisers steered athletes into sham classes over an 18-year period, but does not directly implicate coaches or athletic administrators in the scheme.
The report, released Wednesday, says academic advisers in North Carolina's athletic department colluded with a manager in the African and Afro-American Studies department for student-athletes to take classes to boost their grade-point averages and keep them eligible in their respective sports.
The classes, in place from 1993 to 2011, were overseen by Debby Crowder, the longtime manager in the African and Afro-American Studies department, and later by the department chairman. They allowed a student to write a paper of at least 10 pages, rather than attend lectures or meeting with professors. The papers were graded by Crowder, who was not a professor. They typically earned an A or B-plus grade.
The report, the third and most comprehensive produced in the matter, said that some academic advisers in the school's Academic Support Program for Student Athletes (APSPA) had ties to Crowder and let her know how high a student's grade needed to be to maintain a 2.0 GPA to be eligible to play. It also said that those advisers pushed Crowder to make exceptions for athletes, including allowing them to enroll in classes after the registration period had ended.
The ASPSA is not part of the athletic department, but is located in the same offices. The report says it clearly steered players to the sham classes.
When Crowder retired in 2009, Julius Nyang'oro, the former chairman of the African and Afro-American Studies department, was urged to maintain the program. He was forced to retire in 2012, and was charged with fraud for holding summer classes that didn't exist. Those charges were dropped when he agreed to cooperate with the investigation.
The report, conducted over eight months and including 126 interviews, was led by Kenneth Wainstein, a former federal prosecutor and FBI counsel who now works for a prestigious Washington D.C. law firm. It does not find involvement at the highest levels of the school administration, but it does fault the school for missing a number of red flags.
Wainstein said investigators found a number of academic advisers saw these classes as "GPA boosters."
"Coaches knew there were easy classes," Wainstein said, but said there was no evidence that coaches or administrators, other than those in APSPA, knew Crowder was grading the course rather than a professor.
School officials said Wednesday that they consider the matter an academic issue as well as an athletic one.
"From the beginning, University has taken the position that these classes started in an academic department by a person employed by academic side of university ... and athletic department took advantage of it," University of North Carolina president Thomas W. Ross said.
The report also detailed a 2009 meeting that academic advisers held with the North Carolina football staff. The meeting, which came as Crowder was retiring, included a slide that noted that the classes were "part of the solution in the past" and allowed athletes not to go to class, not to take notes, not to meet with professors and not to engage with the material.
Butch Davis, the UNC football coach at the time, said he did not remember the presentation, and said that while he was aware there were classes that were easier, he did not know that the seminar courses were graded by an administrator and not by a professor.
The classes, which no longer exist, were available to all students. Student-athletes accounted for 48 percent of the enrollees in those classes.
The report says Crowder and Nyang'oro told investigators that they believed the UNC administration "wanted them to provide this assistance to the student-athletes." Crowder and Nyang'oro cited the administration's inaction over the years, and Nyang'oro cited comments he received from administrators and faculty suggesting their approval. But the investigators said they found no evidence of that.
"Like everyone who reads it, I feel shocked and disappointed," UNC-Chapel Hill chancellor Carol Folt said in a statement. She blamed what she called "the actions of a small number and Inactions of many people" for the problem and said the university had implemented more than 70 improvements to its academic oversight, including personnel changes within the school. Folt would not elaborate on any personnel decisions that have been made.
"When we find people who are accountable, we will take decisive action," she said.
Folt said the school will cooperate with the NCAA, which has not issued any sanctions.
"I can't pre-empt their investigation or speculate about it," Folt said.
The NCAA issued a joint statement with UNC later Wednesday:
"The University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill and the NCAA enforcement staff continue to engage in an independent and cooperative effort to review information of possible NCAA rules violations as announced earlier this year. The university provided the enforcement staff with a copy of the Wainstein Report for its consideration. The information included in the Wainstein Report will be reviewed by the university and the enforcement staff under the same standards that are applied in all NCAA infractions cases. Due to rules put in place by the NCAA membership, neither the university nor the enforcement staff will comment on the substance of the report as it relates to possible NCAA rules violations."
Investigators said they talked once to former UNC academic adviser Mary Willingham, who questioned the literacy level of Tar Heels athletes and said UNC had committed academic misconduct before leaving the job in 2010. A report that Williams told Willingham her only job was to keep his players eligible was not verified; Williams said he didn't believe he had met Willingham, and Willingham, who filed a civil suit against the university in June 2014, did not talk to investigators for a second time to answer that question.
The report listed Wayne Walden -- the Associate Director of ASPSA and academic counselor for a number of sports, including men's basketball from 2003 to '09, and who has worked closely with head men's basketball coach Roy Williams at both Kansas and North Carolina -- as one of the counselors who "steered players into these paper classes." It also said Walden and his predecessor, Burgess McSwain, "routinely called Crowder to arrange classes for their players." The report also said Walden later played a role in the basketball players' move away from the paper-class system.
The report said that Walden acknowledged knowing about irregular aspects of the paper classes, including that Crowder was doing at least some of the paper grading. It added that, when asked whether he shared this information with former UNC assistant and then director of basketball operations Joe Holladay or Williams, Walden could not recall doing so.
Both of the coaches told investigators that they never learned from Walden or anyone else that there was a question about faculty involvement in the classes or that Crowder was doing the grading.
The report said it was unable to corroborate allegations made by former basketball player Rashad McCants to ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that tutors wrote papers for him and his teammates. McCants did not agree to be interviewed for the investigation or offer details to support the claims, the report said.
Seven other players who played with McCants told investigators that they drafted their own papers, and that tutors' involvement was limited to general suggestions and corrections. They said they took the classes because they were easy, but that they did the work themselves.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Sammy3469
Footballguy
No, I'm really not. I really think they needed to keep one of the juniors on the 92-93 championship team eligible. This was basically 2 years before guys would leave school early (Stackhouse and Rasheed :hi
and they really needed these guys to stay eligible.TobiasFunke
Footballguy
I suppose we all have our crazy unfounded conspiracy theories. I assume you bring the same critical eye to the Duke sociology program? Happy to discuss it in the basketball thread if you want, this thread basically a 42 page cut and paste of Pack Pride.No, I'm really not. I really think they needed to keep one of the juniors on the 92-93 championship team eligible. This was basically 2 years before guys would leave school early (Stackhouse and Rasheed :hi
fatness
Footballguy
RUSF18
Footballguy
John Infante, from his site on interpreting NCAA rules:
http://30mileradius.com/2014/10/questions-of-institutional-control-eclipse-academic-fraud-issues-at-unc-after-wainstein-report/
http://30mileradius.com/2014/10/questions-of-institutional-control-eclipse-academic-fraud-issues-at-unc-after-wainstein-report/
pantherclub
Footballguy
I dont think its a conspiracy theory any more. The report pretty much nails it for what it is. But if thats the angle you guys are taking then God bless.I suppose we all have our crazy unfounded conspiracy theories. I assume you bring the same critical eye to the Duke sociology program? Happy to discuss it in the basketball thread if you want, this thread basically a 42 page cut and paste of Pack Pride.No, I'm really not. I really think they needed to keep one of the juniors on the 92-93 championship team eligible. This was basically 2 years before guys would leave school early (Stackhouse and Rasheed :hi
Sammy3469
Footballguy
It's probably the case that current juniors at UNC enrolled without every seeing a legitimate win by either the men's basketball or football team.Yup. They've been cheating for half of my life. I'll say again.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
RUSF18
Footballguy
Thanks. I liked this one:
This is nothing more than a continuing smear campaign of UNC Athletics, done by the NCAA. The true victim is the African American Studies at UNC being drug through the mud. The fault is with these two Professors not running a competent Department in that curriculum at UNC. That should be the focus and not the Athletic Department. The NCAA shouldn't be the judge, the Department of Education should have been the judge. The NCAA does not judge Law Schools or other studies at Universities. No other school has been placed under the spotlight for its education by the NCAA like UNC. Doesn't the Department of Education credit UNC? That is why I believe this is a continuance of a smear campaign.
There is also a racial aspect to this. Which students are more likely lured to African American Studies and the racial component of most of these athletes? I would assume it would be African Americans. The allegations by critics seems to be, these athletes needed these classes to remain in school and on these teams. It had nothing to do with their Heritage. This assumes they didn't need these classes to get into UNC. So grades from the African American Studies were solely responsible for their overall GPA?
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
That's outstanding. I particularly like the law schools bit, although the whole idea that an investigation and report requested by UNC is a UNC smear campaign is also pretty good.
ThreeThousand
Footballguy
[SIZE=10.5pt]Every school has easy classes, sure. Fake classes not so much. If the below (excerpt from the NY Times) does provide a competitive advantage, I don't know what does:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]"In November 2009, Ms. Reynolds and other members of the academic support program convened a meeting of the football coaches to discuss how the departure of Ms. Crowder would affect the players’ academic standing. The counselors and coaches were “painfully aware,” the report said, “that Crowder’s retirement would require the whole football program to adjust to a new reality of having to meet academic requirements with real academic work.”
In the meeting, two members of the football counseling staff explained to the assembled coaches that the classes “had played a large role in keeping underprepared and/or unmotivated players eligible to play.” To emphasize this point, they presented a PowerPoint demonstration in which one of the slides asked and then answered the question, “What was part of the solution in the past?”
“We put them in classes that met degree requirements in which … they didn’t go to class … they didn’t have to take notes, have to stay awake … they didn’t have to meet with professors … they didn’t have to pay attention or necessarily engage with the material,” the slide said. “THESE NO LONGER EXIST!”"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]From the actual Wainstein report:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]"One case is particularly illustrative of this phenomenon. In Spring 2006, Professor Bereket Selassie taught a lecture class on North-East Africa, AFRI 124, with 25 enrolled students. At the end of the semester, Professor Selassie recorded a grade of AB (an incomplete grade that technically means “absent from the exam”) for a football player who never attended the lectures or the exam. When we asked Professor Selassie about this student, he was flabbergasted to see that the AB for that football player had been changed to an A- through a grade change form.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]We then interviewed both Crowder and the football player and learned that he was one of Crowder’s add-on students. She had placed the football player on Professor Selassie’s class roll, given him a paper topic and graded his paper. Crowder changed the grade from an AB to an A- using a grade change form and signed Nyang’oro’s name as instructor."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]"329 students (including 169 student-athletes) had at least one semester in which the grade they received in their paper class either pushed or kept their GPA above 2.0. In other words, for at least one semester in their college career, each of those students had an actual cumulative GPA above a 2.0 but a recalculated GPA (excluding the paper class grade(s)) below a 2.0. This number includes 123 football players, 15 men’s basketball players, eight women’s basketball players, and 26 Olympic sport athletes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]And in those classes:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]In over 40% of the 150 papers (61 papers), 25% or more of the text was deemed unoriginal... Of those 61 papers with 25% or more of unoriginal content, the average grade was a 3.69 (or almost an A-)."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]This doesn't happen everywhere - this is massive, systemic academic fraud.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]"In November 2009, Ms. Reynolds and other members of the academic support program convened a meeting of the football coaches to discuss how the departure of Ms. Crowder would affect the players’ academic standing. The counselors and coaches were “painfully aware,” the report said, “that Crowder’s retirement would require the whole football program to adjust to a new reality of having to meet academic requirements with real academic work.”
In the meeting, two members of the football counseling staff explained to the assembled coaches that the classes “had played a large role in keeping underprepared and/or unmotivated players eligible to play.” To emphasize this point, they presented a PowerPoint demonstration in which one of the slides asked and then answered the question, “What was part of the solution in the past?”
“We put them in classes that met degree requirements in which … they didn’t go to class … they didn’t have to take notes, have to stay awake … they didn’t have to meet with professors … they didn’t have to pay attention or necessarily engage with the material,” the slide said. “THESE NO LONGER EXIST!”"[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]From the actual Wainstein report:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]"One case is particularly illustrative of this phenomenon. In Spring 2006, Professor Bereket Selassie taught a lecture class on North-East Africa, AFRI 124, with 25 enrolled students. At the end of the semester, Professor Selassie recorded a grade of AB (an incomplete grade that technically means “absent from the exam”) for a football player who never attended the lectures or the exam. When we asked Professor Selassie about this student, he was flabbergasted to see that the AB for that football player had been changed to an A- through a grade change form.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]We then interviewed both Crowder and the football player and learned that he was one of Crowder’s add-on students. She had placed the football player on Professor Selassie’s class roll, given him a paper topic and graded his paper. Crowder changed the grade from an AB to an A- using a grade change form and signed Nyang’oro’s name as instructor."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]and[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]"329 students (including 169 student-athletes) had at least one semester in which the grade they received in their paper class either pushed or kept their GPA above 2.0. In other words, for at least one semester in their college career, each of those students had an actual cumulative GPA above a 2.0 but a recalculated GPA (excluding the paper class grade(s)) below a 2.0. This number includes 123 football players, 15 men’s basketball players, eight women’s basketball players, and 26 Olympic sport athletes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]And in those classes:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]In over 40% of the 150 papers (61 papers), 25% or more of the text was deemed unoriginal... Of those 61 papers with 25% or more of unoriginal content, the average grade was a 3.69 (or almost an A-)."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10.5pt]This doesn't happen everywhere - this is massive, systemic academic fraud.[/SIZE]
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Every school cheats. Some better than others and some more than others but they all cheat.
apalmer
Footballguy
It's not their fault you weren't born sooner. Less than a third of my life.Yup. They've been cheating for half of my life. I'll say again.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
Nah, I'm pretty sure they've been cheating in one form or another your entire life, just like everyone else. When you make a revenue generating athletes' eligibility dependent on compliance with a whole bunch of rules that have nothing to do with playing sports, you're basically asking people to cheat.It's not their fault you weren't born sooner. Less than a third of my life.Yup. They've been cheating for half of my life. I'll say again.
fatness
Footballguy
fatness
Footballguy
Rick James
Footballguy
I have no doubt that every major school has people who slip money to athletes, and help "tutor" them. But establishing FAKE classes and changing grades from Fs to Bs? No freaking way. that does not happen everywhere.
Johnny Rock
Footballguy
It's going to be very painful for UNC fans for a while. Signed, Minnesota Gophers fan.
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