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have you seen him live?
No, and I'd be interested to see him live, actually. I'm open-minded about him, it's just that his recorded output that gets to me isn't my favorite. 

It's certainly no bag on him nor his musical talent, which I think I'd be more than willing to see.  

 
Had a similar situation with Grant Hart once. Man, he was a pompous ###. ####ty show too. His guitar player bailed on him before the show and he had improvise. The set sucked, but he kept yelling at people for talking while they were playing. I think he ended up playing to a crowd of about 20 people by the time he was done.

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I still remember when I was constantly mail-ordering records from the Maximum Rock n Roll classifieds, and stumbled upon a band from Boston called Deep Wound. I still have that 7" somewhere. Later turned into Dinosaur (Jr.) and Sebedoh. Lou's anxiety song!

Maybe another old punk to consider, as far as musicianship, is Mike Watt. Incredible musician. Not a huge fan of a lot of his stuff, but Contemplating the Engine Room is still great. Really fun to see live. That man can play some bass.
Great stories. I'm from that area of CT/MA so I can remember Dino in a sort of "that's my hometown" kind of way. 

Also, Mike Watt and D Boon have only grown in my estimation as I got older. I had Minutemen albums, but never got them until I was in my forties. Just way, way ahead of the game even if the lyrics are not politically simpatico with me.  

 
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Beck is sort of a boring dirge that critics expect you to like, but you really hate. 

And I have generally a lot of respect for pop music critics; it's just that Beck is boring.  
sea change is one of my favorite albums. beautiful, top to bottom.

but I admit that a lot of his stuff gets a bit redundant. 

I also admit that when I found out he was a full fledged scientologist, I lost pretty much all respect for him.

 
Had a similar situation with Grant Hart once. Man, he was a pompous ###. ####ty show too. His guitar player bailed on him before the show and he had improvise. The set sucked, but he kept yelling at people for talking while they were playing. I think he ended up playing to a crowd of about 20 people by the time he was done.

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I still remember when I was constantly mail-ordering records from the Maximum Rock n Roll classifieds, and stumbled upon a band from Boston called Deep Wound. I still have that 7" somewhere. Later turned into Dinosaur (Jr.) and Sebedoh. Lou's anxiety song!

Maybe another old punk to consider, as far as musicianship, is Mike Watt. Incredible musician. Not a huge fan of a lot of his stuff, but Contemplating the Engine Room is still great. Really fun to see live. That man can play some bass.
By the way, hello former fellow MRR guy. MRR shaped my entire musical landscape from the time I was a junior in high school through college. 

RIP Tim Yo. Nobody more politically different than me ever earned the respect I have for him. Good night, Trots.  

 
By the way, hello former fellow MRR guy. MRR shaped my entire musical landscape from the time I was a junior in high school through college. 

RIP Tim Yo. Nobody more politically different than me ever earned the respect I have for him. Good night, Trots.  
Scene reports, tons of record reviews, and pen pals even... trading cassettes with other people in the mail when you couldn't afford every single record was like pre-Napster for punk. Man, things changed quick. Good times.

 
Scene reports, tons of record reviews, and pen pals even... trading cassettes with other people in the mail when you couldn't afford every single record was like pre-Napster for punk. Man, things changed quick. Good times.
Heh, I never thought about the social aspect of it, really. I was a jock in a small town in CT. Hardcore ruled where I lived. I didn't like it. Hardcore was exactly what I was running from in my own head. I wanted less violence, less cliquey stuff (I'm not making this up, this really happened). Hardcore was anathema, but I found the punk in MRR, which I loved. I wish I'd known or delved into the social side of stuff. I would have made many, many friends, I think.  

I have a lot of things to say about the internet and how it made effort obsolete. It's really not controversial like I normally am, it's just that now the effort and time that went into acquiring information -- in this case, punk -- has been reduced to next to nothing. If knowledge is power, it's only a click away, and the process what the substantive aspect of the having of knowledge. That's great for the idea that "information wants to be free," bad for a screen on all the social choices that go into knowledge, if this makes sense.  

 
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I have a lot of things to say about the internet and how it made effort obsolete. It's really not controversial like I normally am, it's just that now the effort and time that went into acquiring information -- in this case, punk -- has been reduced to next to nothing. If knowledge is power, it's only a click away, and the process what the substantive aspect of the having of knowledge. That's great for the idea that "information wants to be free," bad for a screen on all the social choices that go into knowledge, if this makes sense.  
Definitely agree. There was some magic lost in the whole process of figuring out what bands might be worth spending your money on. You couldn't listen to sample tracks, or anything like that. All you had to go on was reading, opinions of others that you learned had similar tastes, and maybe some compilation tracks. If you were lucky, maybe there was a record store in town that might have some of the records that you were interested in, and maybe, they would play some of the stuff in the store. Part of the fun of it was the discovery process.

 
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Definitely agree. There was some magic lost in the whole process of figuring out what bands might be worth spending your money on. You couldn't listen to sample tracks, or anything like that. All you had to go on was reading, opinions of others that you learned had similar tastes, and maybe some compilation tracks. If you were lucky, maybe there was a record store in town that might have some of the records that you were interested in, and maybe, they would play some of the stuff in the store. Part of the fun of it was the discovery process.
Yeah, you felt that connection with others with similar tastes, similar outlooks, similar people willing to invest their effort and time and livelihood, even, into something that seems so simple like setting up a little record shop that dealt with distribution of goods. But that's a big effort, contrary to public opinion. I can still go back to my local record shop in No CT when I go home, and they've moved twice but still keep rocking in business, and God bless it.

Anyway, I don't want to completely derail the thread (my fault). I'll just let it be about the bands now.  

 
J Mascis got pissed at me at a show once for having the temerity to look at both him and Lou Barlow in succession. 

True story. He leaned into the mic and said "well, somebody has a problem."

Huh. Yeah, J, it's you.  
It was probably more like "Hey, dude...we're trying to play music here.  Nobody wants to hear you talk about Judith Shklar and Thomas Nagel."

 
It was probably more like "Hey, dude...we're trying to play music here.  Nobody wants to hear you talk about Judith Shklar and Thomas Nagel."
Larf. I get it. That is indeed funny.  

But, dude, I was way back in the middle of the club, sipping my beer and hadn't spoken all night. I was in New Haven and just walked on my own to the show because I didn't know anyone willing to drive to NH to watch Dino. It was freaking weird. He leaned into the mic, looked right at me, and said that.  

 
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Heh, I never thought about the social aspect of it, really. I was a jock in a small town in CT. Hardcore ruled where I lived. I didn't like it. Hardcore was exactly what I was running from in my own head. I wanted less violence, less cliquey stuff (I'm not making this up, this really happened). Hardcore was anathema, but I found the punk in MRR, which I loved. I wish I'd known or delved into the social side of stuff. I would have made many, many friends, I think.  

I have a lot of things to say about the internet and how it made effort obsolete. It's really not controversial like I normally am, it's just that now the effort and time that went into acquiring information -- in this case, punk -- has been reduced to next to nothing. If knowledge is power, it's only a click away, and the process what the substantive aspect of the having of knowledge. That's great for the idea that "information wants to be free," bad for a screen on all the social choices that go into knowledge, if this makes sense.  
I'm not yet sure about the final qualitative side of it, but yeah- if you were a music nerd, you were actively looking and seeking. it wasn't an easy find most of the time- which made it feel more interesting and more a part of something distinct. now- spotify says listen to this... done. no real effort, no real dedication... but still ultimately interesting (the music at least). 

 
ah, that's better. Beck is fantastic live.


Apparently in Indy a couple days ago it was 2 hours of Beck, 2 hours of U2 
Was at the U2/Beck show in Indy, and Beck did not play 2 hours. He played an hour-and-fifteen. About 15 minutes more than the Lumineers got earlier this summer, but he's way better. And he crushed it--I saw him play a theater in Vancouver 2.5 weeks ago, and his headlining set dragged a bit. Sunday night was all killer, no filler. And he had plenty of more hits he could've played.

 
Was at the U2/Beck show in Indy, and Beck did not play 2 hours. He played an hour-and-fifteen. About 15 minutes more than the Lumineers got earlier this summer, but he's way better. And he crushed it--I saw him play a theater in Vancouver 2.5 weeks ago, and his headlining set dragged a bit. Sunday night was all killer, no filler. And he had plenty of more hits he could've played.
Thanks

 
They got pigeonholed unfairly because of the success of "More Than Words" and "Hole Hearted", but Extreme was always an underrated rock band in my opinion.  

 
I'm not yet sure about the final qualitative side of it, but yeah- if you were a music nerd, you were actively looking and seeking. it wasn't an easy find most of the time- which made it feel more interesting and more a part of something distinct. now- spotify says listen to this... done. no real effort, no real dedication... but still ultimately interesting (the music at least). 
Yeah, I hesitate on any criticism of the availability of information. I'm even a slight bit anti-copyright as it exists now. I loved the Dead Kennedys' B-side of In God We Trust. "Home Taping Is Killing the Music Industry! We Left This Side Blank So You Can Help..." was probably the wisest thing going in '81 or '82. So there's little qualitative about the quality of music that I can offer. What I can offer is that the process of the screen is so important that it becomes a thing unto itself.  

 
For 40+ years, there's been no doubt in my mind who the greatest American rock band of all time - hits, anthems, dominated the scene, crossed genres, classic songwriting, immense chops - is but, unless you knew it was me suggesting, it would take 4-5 pgs before they were guessed. even tho their driving force has been dead since the 70s, I'd call that underrated
I've not followed music threads enough or know enough about you to know who you are talking about.  Please divulge.  TIA, will answer yours.

 
Three Dog Night is one of my go-tos whenever this conversation comes up. They had three really good (& distinct) lead singers, the band was full of ringers, they were impeccably produced, and some of the best working songwriters of the time were getting noticed because 3DN was recording their songs. And it wasn't just their hits - the album cuts were good, too.

Almost 45-50 years down the line, I think their music holds up a lot better than many of the artists who made the cover of the Rolling Stone back then.

Doobie Brothers are another.

 
They got pigeonholed unfairly because of the success of "More Than Words" and "Hole Hearted", but Extreme was always an underrated rock band in my opinion.  
Extreme was overrated.  The only thing worth listening to was the guitar player.  The songs were horrible.  

 
1. I wouldn't call BIlly Joel a band.

2. He's rated pretty high.

3. Pretty sure he plays Piano Man at every concert.
That's pretty funny. Agreed, Billy Joel is not a band, not underrated, and probably does play Piano Man at every show. Proved my point about being underrated--Phish was and is the band to perform this epic feat with practically zero fanfare from 99% of the population.

 
Someone mentioned earlier.. deftones. They're effectively their own genre of rock. They will never be fully appreciated in their own time.

 
Someone mentioned earlier.. deftones. They're effectively their own genre of rock. They will never be fully appreciated in their own time.
I don't get this one.  Their only decent album was Adrenaline and that was simply because of the music.  Their lyrics sure as hell didn't make sense.  After that all I hear are albums full of whining.  

To each his own though.   

ETA - when you mentioned the phrase 'own genre of rock', I immediately thought of Tool.  Perhaps they're properly rated to be included in this thread, but their music and lyrics are on a different level from nearly every other rock band.  

 
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I don't get this one.  Their only decent album was Adrenaline and that was simply because of the music.  Their lyrics sure as hell didn't make sense.  After that all I hear are albums full of whining.  

To each his own though.   

ETA - when you mentioned the phrase 'own genre of rock', I immediately thought of Tool.  Perhaps they're properly rated to be included in this thread, but their music and lyrics are on a different level from nearly every other rock band.  
Roll the windows down
This cool night air is curious
Let the whole world look in
Who cares who sees what tonight
Roll these misty windows down
To catch my breath
And then go and go and go just drive me
Home and back again
Here I lay just like always
Don't let me go 
Take me to the edge---Passenger

Deftones and Maynard.   

Deftones are fantastic

 
I don't get this one.  Their only decent album was Adrenaline and that was simply because of the music.  Their lyrics sure as hell didn't make sense.  After that all I hear are albums full of whining.  

To each his own though.   

ETA - when you mentioned the phrase 'own genre of rock', I immediately thought of Tool.  Perhaps they're properly rated to be included in this thread, but their music and lyrics are on a different level from nearly every other rock band.  
Tool sells out arenas in minutes. Deftones still play House of Blues.

Their albums are full of everything. Sludgy riffs, shoegaze, up tempo pummelers, gorgeous melodies, electronic elements, there's a little of everything melded together into a glorious soup. They're the most unique and constantly evolving band in hard rock/metal over the last 20 years.

 
Roll the windows down
This cool night air is curious
Let the whole world look in
Who cares who sees what tonight
Roll these misty windows down
To catch my breath
And then go and go and go just drive me
Home and back again
Here I lay just like always
Don't let me go 
Take me to the edge---Passenger

Deftones and Maynard.   

Deftones are fantastic
GD, I love this tune.

 
Very good call here--this one slipped my mind.  Full agreement.  Amazing live act as well.   The way they grew on me is very similar to how Alkaline Trio grew on me. I liked them--and then saw them live--and then liked them much more.   

Also--I am on the side of the fence that thinks that Deftones is very underrated.   Their music is very solid--but their lead singer is not the most marketable guy--and I think that has impeded their ability to be more well known than they are.   Also--much of their music is not what I'd consider the norm for typical radio friendly stuff--so that also makes them fly under the radar compared to many other bands. 

 
Always loved TWS, Glen Phillips their lead singer has a great voice. Also you have to like a band that gets it's name from a Monty Python sketch.

Another band that doesn't get enough appreciation is Guster.
TWS played a gig here in 1991. IIRC the show was cut short when the cops or the ABC found out that Phillips wasn't 21 yet...by like 8 days.  So stupid.

 

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