Undocumented Immigrant Thread (1 Viewer)

[JohnnyU]

why do you keep asking the same questions over and over?

better yet, to everyone else, why do you keep giving him the answers?

It's clear he's ignoring them...why bother?

Again, why is that?  Yes in 2013, no in 2019.

 

[The Commish]

Again, why is that?  Yes in 2013, no in 2019.

answered yesterday, last week and a month ago...don't let the search function defeat you  

 

[Amused to Death]

why do you keep asking the same questions over and over?

better yet, to everyone else, why do you keep giving him the answers?

It's clear he's ignoring them...why bother?

Agree, I gotta spit the hook.  You can only provide the same answers so many times.

Oh, I see its your turn.  Can you resist?

 

[JohnnyU]

Considering the GOP held both houses of Congress and the Presidency for two years and didn't provide funding for the wall, I assume you don't think the GOP cares about the American people either?

RINOS, yes, I agree with you.

 

[Amused to Death]

Again, why is that?  Yes in 2013, no in 2019.

My last reply...

I asked you earlier, and provided you links to the relevant info, to list the differences between the Dems current plan and Israel's wall.  Can you do that?  I gave the links as you obviously missed it the first 2 or 3 times in this thread.  If not, I'll just assume you're trolling.  TIA.

 

[timschochet]

Trump just backed away from his threat to shut down the border. Now it’s tariffs on cars first, and then maybe a shutdown. 

I don’t know why other countries should take anything he says seriously; he constantly changes his mind. 

 

[Dickies]

Trump just backed away from his threat to shut down the border. Now it’s tariffs on cars first, and then maybe a shutdown. 

I don’t know why other countries should take anything he says seriously; he constantly changes his mind. 

Can’t get what he wants so he is going to tax Americans to get back. Everything with him is about keeping score with dollars. 

 

[sho nuff]

More tarrifs...those have worked out so well for the American worker and consumer.

 

[Amused to Death]

More tarrifs...those have worked out so well for the American worker and consumer.

Well to be fair, he thinks Mexico will be paying the tariff and not the American consumer (if the trade war with China is any indication).  Stable genius and all....

 

[timschochet]

Can’t get what he wants so he is going to tax Americans to get back. Everything with him is about keeping score with dollars. 

I think he might be frustrated with the negotiations to replace NAFTA. 

 

[Herb]

I sure has hell don't read it in MSM.

Then where do you read it? Cuz it seems like you really don't read anything. You sure haven't bothered to read any of the many, many links you have been supplied with that completely refute your arguments day after day. 

My guess is your primary news source is conservative talk radio, and has been for a long while. Your postings have all the hallmarks.

 

[Amused to Death]

Then where do you read it? Cuz it seems like you really don't read anything. You sure haven't bothered to read any of the many, many links you have been supplied with that completely refute your arguments day after day. 

My guess is your primary news source is conservative talk radio, and has been for a long while. Your postings have all the hallmarks.

Exhibit A as to why its so difficult to have any meaningful conversations with Trump supporters sometimes.

 

[Sinn Fein]

WASHINGTON — The House of Representatives plans to sue the Trump administration over the president’s national emergency declaration to build a wall on the southern border, House Democratic leadership announced Thursday.

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The Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group, made up of House leadership from both parties, voted to authorize the lawsuit, Pelosi’s statement said.

“We authorized,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told BuzzFeed News after votes on Thursday. “I presume we’ll follow through on that.”

The House’s Office of General Counsel did not immediately respond to a request for comment on when it plans to file the lawsuit.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lissandravilla/house-lawsuit-donald-trump-wall-national-emergency

 

[[scooter]]

We can cut back on our Avacados, tomatoes, fruits, and nuts for awhile. Plus, how quickly can we produce the car parts we get from Mexico in the US?   As for labor, we have enough of them here already to work the fields. 

This is so naive. There are 400,000 vehicles that cross the border every freaking day. Do you think they all contain fruits and nuts?!?

Do you even have the slightest idea of how complicated (and expensive) it would be for U.S. manufacturing to suddenly start producing parts in America? It's not like all of the old production lines are just sitting there under some canvas tarps! Most of them would have to be built from scratch -- hell, we probably couldn't even build some production lines because some of those parts are only made in Mexico! So the first thing we'd have to do would be to build production lines that built production line parts!

All of that would take months, if not years.

And then what do you think would happen if American industry invested BILLIONS into restarting all these production lines, only to have Trump pull the rug out from underneath us by re-opening the border after 6 months!?!

Oh, and your line about having enough people to work in the fields is just a riot. Imagine getting a bunch of homeless/welfare types to harvest the crops. You think they'll be as efficient as current workers? OF COURSE NOT. So, get ready for your food prices to quadruple. And that doesn't even touch on the fact that we don't even have enough current farmland to self-sustain the country (because we rely so much on imported foodstuffs). So if we close the border, we would face a serious possibility of a food shortage.

And yeah, we could plow more fields to increase our food production. But what happens when Trump re-opens the border and all those newly-plowed fields go to waste? Our farmers would lose billions.

Come on man. Think this stuff through before you post.

 

[The Commish]

WASHINGTON — The House of Representatives plans to sue the Trump administration over the president’s national emergency declaration to build a wall on the southern border, House Democratic leadership announced Thursday.

***

The Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group, made up of House leadership from both parties, voted to authorize the lawsuit, Pelosi’s statement said.

“We authorized,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer told BuzzFeed News after votes on Thursday. “I presume we’ll follow through on that.”

The House’s Office of General Counsel did not immediately respond to a request for comment on when it plans to file the lawsuit.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/lissandravilla/house-lawsuit-donald-trump-wall-national-emergency

I really wish they'd sue over this "national emergency" that has allowed him to do the tariffs...probably for the other thread, but I'm pretty surprised they haven't pushed back on that bogus "national emergency" too.

 

[[scooter]]

It has been in the news ad nausem but Trump didn't want any part of it because he didn't get all of the funding for his wall.  Use Google , you'll find it

Yet the Democrats were all for the wall in 2013, but not now?  Why is that?

I only care about what they are doing now, not the past.

Geez. At least wait a few hours before laying on the terrible shtick.

 

[apalmer]

Trump just backed away from his threat to shut down the border. Now it’s tariffs on cars first, and then maybe a shutdown. 

I don’t know why other countries should take anything he says seriously; he constantly changes his mind. 

Wait...he's giving Mexico a 1-year warning? If they don't stop the "invasion" within a year, THEN he's going the tariff route? So nothing now? His emergency situation doesn't need to be addressed for a year?

 

[the rover]

Wait...he's giving Mexico a 1-year warning? If they don't stop the "invasion" within a year, THEN he's going the tariff route? So nothing now? His emergency situation doesn't need to be addressed for a year?

He has a tough time with the concept of "emergency."

 

[timschochet]

Wait...he's giving Mexico a 1-year warning? If they don't stop the "invasion" within a year, THEN he's going the tariff route? So nothing now? His emergency situation doesn't need to be addressed for a year?

That’s what he said. A one year warning. Then the tariffs; and if that doesn’t work, the shutdown. It’s an emergency!!!

 

[timschochet]

Wait- apparently he may have changed his mind again. 

 

[Biff84]

Wait...he's giving Mexico a 1-year warning? If they don't stop the "invasion" within a year, THEN he's going the tariff route? So nothing now? His emergency situation doesn't need to be addressed for a year?

I guess he decided it would take too much work to keep the faux outrage going for a full year and a half. See you in a year for a push towards election night!

 

[NREC34]

He drives a hard bargain!

In which chapter in Art of the Deal does he cover this strategy?

 

[Sheriff Bart]

A year

 

[lazyike]

Wait, don't we have a new trade deal waiting to be approved between the US, Mexico and Canada? So before its approved you are going to threaten to impose more tariffs? If I were Mexico I'd say screw you....your word is as worthless as the paper it is written on Donald!

 

[Henry Ford]

Wait, don't we have a new trade deal waiting to be approved between the US, Mexico and Canada? So before its approved you are going to threaten to impose more tariffs? If I were Mexico I'd say screw you....your word is as worthless as the paper it is written on Donald!

Oh, come on.  He doesn’t write his ideas down. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Trump: If you don't stop illegal immigration into the US I'm going to shut down the border!! 

Mexico: meh

US Business: Oh dear god no

Trump: Okay, I'm giving you a year.  You're on notice mister! 

A buffoon, a disgrace, utterly incompetent 

 

[The Commish]

A year

EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!!

 

[Thunderlips]

Wait...he's giving Mexico a 1-year warning? If they don't stop the "invasion" within a year, THEN he's going the tariff route? So nothing now? His emergency situation doesn't need to be addressed for a year?

I think he's realizing that his rhetoric isn't helping him now...so he's going to wait for an election year.  

 

[[scooter]]

Fixed:

Trump: If you don't stop illegal immigration into the US I'm going to shut down the border!! 

Mexico: meh

US Business: Oh dear god no

Trump: Okay, if CONGRESS doesn't stop illegal immigration by Friday, I'm going to shut down the border!!





Congress: meh

Trump: Okay, I'm giving you a year.  You're on notice mister! 

A buffoon, a disgrace, utterly incompetent 

 

[The General]

Looks like Mexico has been put on the old Double Secret Probation. I hope they can pull through. 

 

[sho nuff]

Looks like Mexico has been put on the old Double Secret Probation. I hope they can pull through. 

Toga!!!!!!

 

[Sheriff Bart]

EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!!

It's real life manbearpig.

 

[The General]

It’s crazy that this will be his big issue in one year just as we roll into the election. That’s such a coincidence!

 

[sho nuff]

It’s crazy that this will be his big issue in one year just as we roll into the election. That’s such a coincidence!

How are those caravans coming...also such a coincidence they pop up at the most opportune times.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Kaitlan Collins‏Verified account @kaitlancollins

News — Stephen Miller directly lobbied President Trump to withdraw Ron Vitiello’s nomination to lead ICE, multiple sources say. Miller went to Trump and said Vitiello was not fully in favor of closing the southern border.

10:41 AM - 5 Apr 2019

- LOL. This guy was caught appearing at a racist, full on extremist web site, but this, this is what gets his nomination pulled.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

A year

EMERGENCY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!@!!!

Run away from the imminent peril!!!

 

[Sammy3469]

Pretty sure the only thing full (of it) is Trump.

 

[Sinn Fein]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1114634004391706625

 

[msommer]

The US should be self sufficient when forced to.  Never depend completely on another country for things you cannot do without if possible.

How big of a hit to GDP would you accept? Considering a decade worth of 3-4% is required for the recent tax cuts to pay for themselves.

Are you willing to let the US go into a prolonged recession on this topic?

 

[The General]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1114634004391706625

Any wall experts care to translate this?

 

[Joe Summer]

Last week, Trump justified the idea of closing the border by saying, "Security is more important than trade."

Then he changed his mind and decided not to close the border.

Soooooooo.....he thinks trade is more important than security?

 

[yak651]

Any wall experts care to translate this?

I didn't know to put the laughing or sad response, in disbelief this is our President and people actually want to vote for him in 2020, smh...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Oh, come on.  He doesn’t write his ideas down. 

Says you.

https://giphy.com/gifs/drawing-donald-trump-kat-l3q2TGhB8qZhs1tny

 

[badmojo1006]

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1114634004391706625

Doors, walls, trucks oh my

 

[The Commish]

So what's the defense of essentially wanting to ignore the law of the land and do what he wants?  Trump that is.  Has there been a person that "resigned" that didn't do so because the Trump was trying to make them break the law?  I'm sure there are a few, but this is quite remarkable to watch. Thank God he's not very bright with rules/laws.

 

[-fish-]

So what's the defense of essentially wanting to ignore the law of the land and do what he wants?  Trump that is.  Has there been a person that "resigned" that didn't do so because the Trump was trying to make them break the law?  I'm sure there are a few, but this is quite remarkable to watch. Thank God he's not very bright with rules/laws.

Head of the EPA resigned because he wanted to break more laws than he was allowed.

 

[timschochet]

Un####ingbelievable. Just when you think he can’t get any lower. 

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/04/11/politics/immigrant-detainees-sanctuary-cities/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F

 

[Max Power]

Seems like sanctuary cities would be the logical place...no?

 

[Jackstraw]

Seems like sanctuary cities would be the logical place...no?

Totally. Designing immigration policy to score cheap political points to punish your perceived  political enemies is always the way to handle the lives of real human beings. These are gods children man. These guys are clowns. 

 

[The Commish]

Ok....so I fully admit, I have only been awake for about an hour, but I am struggling to see the outrage here.  If these cities are good with the people being there, why would it be bad for them to go there?  It's better than sleeping under a bridge in a tent isn't it?  If I am being honest, the part of that article that pisses me off the most is the definition of "sanctuary city" they've created.

"Sanctuary city" is a broad term applied to jurisdictions that have policies in place designed to limit cooperation with or involvement in federal immigration enforcement actions. Cities, counties and some states have a range of informal policies as well as laws that qualify as "sanctuary" positions.

"we aren't paid to do the federal government's job" is not a policy.