Undocumented Immigrant Thread (9 Viewers)

[Henry Ford]

I wasn’t talking about what the vice article is saying. I was specifically saying 90% don’t show up for their hearing. Which should surprise exactly zero people. 

No, you said the majority do not. 

 

[timschochet]

No, you said the majority do not. 

Actually he wrote "vast majority." And 90% is certainly the vast majority. It's not his fault that his information turned out to be a total lie. But it will be his fault if he doesn't acknowledge the fact.

 

[Henry Ford]

Actually he wrote "vast majority." And 90% is certainly the vast majority. It's not his fault that his information turned out to be a total lie. But it will be his fault if he doesn't acknowledge the fact.

My apologies. “Vast majority.”  70% is also the vast majority.  I’m just saying it didn’t even have to be 90%. 

 

[boots11234]

Actually he wrote "vast majority." And 90% is certainly the vast majority. It's not his fault that his information turned out to be a total lie. But it will be his fault if he doesn't acknowledge the fact.

However, McAleenan appears to be talking about a new pilot study done recently which looks specifically at “family units.”

90% is correct. 

 

[timschochet]

However, McAleenan appears to be talking about a new pilot study done recently which looks specifically at “family units.”

90% is correct. 

What? What the heck are you talking about??? How can it be correct, that 92% of applicants return, but 90% of family units don't? Please explain.

 

[Henry Ford]

However, McAleenan appears to be talking about a new pilot study done recently which looks specifically at “family units.”

90% is correct. 

I’m confused, is he saying that since a half dozen kids died in custody 90% of families in a pilot program didn’t bring their kids back?

 

[Henry Ford]

What? What the heck are you talking about??? How can it be correct, that 92% of applicants return, but 90% of family units don't? Please explain.

There was some unexplained pilot program this year.  Not really sure what the program was. Might be sending them to Mexico to wait, I guess. That would explain it. 

 

[BroadwayG]

I can't wait to see the details of this pilot program and the associated data.

My guess is that is something like "We chose 7,000 family units whose summons got returned to sender due to an invalid mailing address. Of those, 90% did not appear to their court case."

 

[Henry Ford]

I can't wait to see the details of this pilot program and the associated data.

My guess is that is something like "We chose 7,000 family units whose summons got returned to sender due to an invalid mailing address. Of those, 90% did not appear to their court case."

Think I found it. It appears to be a program releasing people who have already been ordered to be removed.  90% of those ordered to appear to be removed didn’t show up. 

From Sept. to April 7,724 order of removals were issued and from that 6,764 orders resulted in absentia

https://valleycentral.com/news/local/pilot-program-highlighting-some-of-the-issues-in-the-immigration-system

 

[The Commish]

Of course

 

[apalmer]

Think I found it. It appears to be a program releasing people who have already been ordered to be removed.  90% of those ordered to appear to be removed didn’t show up. 

https://valleycentral.com/news/local/pilot-program-highlighting-some-of-the-issues-in-the-immigration-system

So, if I do a study of, say, Republicans who have been found guilty of a crime, and find that 90% of them serve jail time, I can extrapolate using "the McAleenan Method" that 90% of Republicans serve time in jail?

 

[Henry Ford]

So, if I do a study of, say, Republicans who have been found guilty of a crime, and find that 90% of them serve jail time, I can extrapolate using "the McAleenan Method" that 90% of Republicans serve time in jail?

I may be misunderstanding the wording in that article - it isn’t that well written and I can’t find the raw data - but I think so, yes. 

 

[timschochet]

However, McAleenan appears to be talking about a new pilot study done recently which looks specifically at “family units.”

90% is correct. 

Did @boots11234 ever return to this thread to admit he was wrong? 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Are we the baddies?

https://twitter.com/7im/status/1139593849565667328?s=20

Insane. We're at risk of this becoming an Abu Ghraib situation or revelation eventually.

 

[msommer]

Are we the baddies?

https://twitter.com/7im/status/1139593849565667328?s=20

"I'm sure they are very fine people"

/theusualsuspects

 

[joffer]

Did @boots11234 ever return to this thread to admit he was wrong? 

good one

 

[Amused to Death]

Once again, this is where the majority of drugs enter the country.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/feds-seize-estimated-33000-pounds-cocaine-philadelphia-official/story?id=63789573

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Once again, this is where the majority of drugs enter the country.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/feds-seize-estimated-33000-pounds-cocaine-philadelphia-official/story?id=63789573

Trump, probably:  "but how did the illegals carry all of that?"

 

[McBokonon]

Trump, probably:  "but how did the illegals carry all of that?"

Steve King, who happened to be within earshot: "Have you seen their calves?"

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Once again, this is where the majority of drugs enter the country.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/feds-seize-estimated-33000-pounds-cocaine-philadelphia-official/story?id=63789573

16.5 tons, straight into Philly, holy ####.

 

[The Commish]

Once again, this is where the majority of drugs enter the country.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/feds-seize-estimated-33000-pounds-cocaine-philadelphia-official/story?id=63789573

If only they had passed multiple iterations of a bill financing our crossing points.  Someone should tell McConnell there is a bill sitting on his desk ready to address this stuff.  I bet he doesn't even know.  It's a pretty big pile.

 

[Amused to Death]

16.5 tons, straight into Philly, holy ####.

I wonder how many shipments they didn't catch.

 

[McBokonon]

Man, Philly could hurl batteries at Santa nonstop for months with that kinda blow. 

 

[KCitons]

I wonder how many shipments they didn't catch.

Exactly. Makes you wonder how laws are going to effectively keep guns from coming into the country. 

Supply and demand. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Once again, this is where the majority of drugs enter the country.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/feds-seize-estimated-33000-pounds-cocaine-philadelphia-official/story?id=63789573

The things the feds are going to do to that innocent cocaine. :(

 

[Mister CIA]

Man, Philly could hurl batteries at Santa nonstop for months with that kinda blow. 

Love the new guy!

 

[timschochet]

Man, Philly could hurl batteries at Santa nonstop for months with that kinda blow. 

Blow isn’t needed for that. 

 

[Sheriff Bart]

Man, Philly could hurl batteries at Santa nonstop for months with that kinda blow. 

Blow isn’t needed for that

It makes it even more fun though. 

Probably. 

 

[Amused to Death]

Exactly. Makes you wonder how laws are going to effectively keep guns from coming into the country. 

Supply and demand. 

It makes me wonder why our national focus is on a wall - that won't stop the main flow of drugs into the country.

 

[KCitons]

It makes me wonder why our national focus is on a wall - that won't stop the main flow of drugs into the country.

Will it limit the flow of people? 

 

[Joe Summer]

Please keep the terrible gun analogies to the Terrible Gun Analogy thread, thanks.

 

[KCitons]

Please keep the terrible gun analogies to the Terrible Gun Analogy thread, thanks.

Sure. Let's keep the conversation about the wall. 

Now, back to the drug discussion. 

 

[Amused to Death]

It makes me wonder why our national focus is on a wall - that won't stop the main flow of drugs into the country.

Will it limit the flow of people? 

Trump claims a wall will stop 90% of the drugs coming in.

“Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs, including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border,” Trump said in a speech last week about U.S.-Mexico border security.

 

[Amused to Death]

Sure. Let's keep the conversation about the wall. 

Now, back to the drug discussion. 

Well considering Trump made the wall about drugs (among other things)...

 

[KCitons]

Trump claims a wall will stop 90% of the drugs coming in.

“Our southern border is a pipeline for vast quantities of illegal drugs, including meth, heroin, cocaine and fentanyl. Every week, 300 of our citizens are killed by heroin alone, 90 percent of which floods across from our southern border,” Trump said in a speech last week about U.S.-Mexico border security.

Will it limit the flow of people? 

You never answered the question.

 

[Amused to Death]

You never answered the question.

Because your question was a non-sequitur in relation to my point; a deflection. Trump claimed “These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!”

 

[KCitons]

Because your question was a non-sequitur in relation to my point; a deflection. Trump claimed “These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!”

Or, you know your answer won't support your one sided agenda. 

 

[KCitons]

Because your question was a non-sequitur in relation to my point; a deflection. Trump claimed “These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!”

It makes me wonder why our national focus is on a wall - that won't stop the main flow of drugs into the country.

BTW, your point was the national focus on the wall. 

For many, it's limiting the number of people that enter the country illegally. 

 

[Amused to Death]

Or, you know your answer won't support your one sided agenda. 

My "one sided agenda" was focused on Trump's assertion that a wall would greatly reduce the flow of drugs into the country. You changed the subject without ever addressing my original point.

Good night.

 

[sho nuff]

BTW, your point was the national focus on the wall. 

For many, it's limiting the number of people that enter the country illegally. 

He was talking about why the focus of the “war in drugs” is the wall under this administration.  That was pretty clear.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Because your question was a non-sequitur in relation to my point; a deflection. Trump claimed “These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!”

Exactly.

 

[KCitons]

He was talking about why the focus of the “war in drugs” is the wall under this administration.  That was pretty clear.

Then he's wrong by using the term national focus. Because it's about more than just the war on drugs. 

 

[Joe Summer]

Please Don't Feed The Bad Analogy Guy.

 

[Amused to Death]

Then he's wrong by using the term national focus. Because it's about more than just the war on drugs. 

“These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!”

 

[KCitons]

Exactly.

Right. My asking if the WALL limits the flow of people is a deflection of the discussion about the WALL. In a thread about the WALL. 

 

[KCitons]

Please Don't Feed The Bad Analogy Guy.

Hey. I stopped talking about guns. Just like you asked. 

I'm talking about the wall in the wall thread. 

 

[timschochet]

Right. My asking if the WALL limits the flow of people is a deflection of the discussion about the WALL. In a thread about the WALL. 

Since most undocumented immigrants arrive here by airplane I don’t think it will limit the flow of people. It would, at great cost, limit the flow of Hispanic people. Do you find that desirable? 

 

[sho nuff]

Then he's wrong by using the term national focus. Because it's about more than just the war on drugs. 

The national focus about drugs...seriously, it’s not hard to understand. 

 

[KCitons]

“These numbers will be DRASTICALLY REDUCED if we have a Wall!”

Great. He may be wrong about the how much it would be reduced. 

Does a percentage of the American public still want a wall to limit the number of people illegally entering the country? Yes. And that's why your question about there is national focus on a wall. 

 

[KCitons]

Since most undocumented immigrants arrive here by airplane I don’t think it will limit the flow of people. It would, at great cost, limit the flow of Hispanic people. Do you find that desirable? 

Yes.