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Great post thanks.  There’s no easy answers in either situation.  Regarding the border , I think it’s very difficult to estimate the need until it’s too late so it really a catch situation right now.  
We have stats about what happens at our borders.  We have been ill-prepared at the borders for a really long time.  That's how we get this backlog of 5-6-7-8 years.  That doesn't happen overnight.  The answers ARE easy, especially at our southern border.  All the problems point back to a lack of allocated resources.  Every single one.  We create an immigration process then don't provide the resources to implement it.  It's the definition of insanity.

 
.  Regarding the border , I think it’s very difficult to estimate the need until it’s too late so it really a catch situation right now.  
This is true. Nobody figured on the amount of people coming in (though we should have; the USA bears a good amount of responsibility for the destabilization of the nations these people are fleeing from.) 

But that being said it is my judgment that Trump has made the situation far far worse than necessary, because instead of really trying to deal with the problems, he is playing to his base and doing as little as he can get away with, in order to send the message to the migrants: you are not welcome; we don’t want you here. And that’s at the root of my criticism. 

 
Well the funny thing is the only people who cared about this for year were very progressive immigration activists. It's true there was little media or political attention under Obama... or Bush or Clinton. That doesn't mean graphic images now making Trump look like the bad guy or good guy are helpful when pushed out in a partisan manner.

 
Why?  Calif has the 5th largest economy in the world, major budget surplus, countless millionaires and billionaires yet you want middle America to help? Sounds totally unfair but that’s expected.  Plus it’s a low bar to clear when compared to San Francisco..
Yept send all to CA the land of milk and honey.

 
What ever dude.  You just like to argue and are never wrong.  Got it.  
No I am wrong sometimes.  In this case I have shown very clearly that I am dead in accurate as to where homelessness came into the thread and it wasn’t from you.  It has nothing to do with liking to argue...but you started the crap trying to call me out and say I was wrong and that I couldn’t read the thread...doing that was BS especially since you were just flat out incorrect as I clearly showed.

It was pictures used to deflect from those at the border.

 It’s not an issue related at all to the wall or the pictures of those detained at the border.

We can agree there is a problem with homeless in this country...it’s definitely deserving of its own thread.  I thought I recalled one being in here before.

 
This is true. Nobody figured on the amount of people coming in (though we should have; the USA bears a good amount of responsibility for the destabilization of the nations these people are fleeing from.) 

But that being said it is my judgment that Trump has made the situation far far worse than necessary, because instead of really trying to deal with the problems, he is playing to his base and doing as little as he can get away with, in order to send the message to the migrants: you are not welcome; we don’t want you here. And that’s at the root of my criticism. 
He has also worked to actually limit legal immigration.  And his administration is responsible for the treatment of those at the border and the separation.

 
Yept send all to CA the land of milk and honey.
As simple as it sounds I think that perception from many Americans has lead to some of the homeless in some states.  In Colorado, jobs and legal  marijuana lead to a homeless boom. People came, but there really was no place for them live. 

 
As simple as it sounds I think that perception from many Americans has lead to some of the homeless in some states.  In Colorado, jobs and legal  marijuana lead to a homeless boom. People came, but there really was no place for them live. 
Shouldn’t someone have a place lined up to live before they move?

 
It's all part of DJT's admitted "sick idea." Ironically I believe this is one of the rare times he did not lie. Notice how representatives of those Fla counties found out about these plans. In addition, Mar-a-Lago is located in one of those counties and an official there suggested transporting the immigrants they couldn't handle over to his hotels and politely dropping them off.

 
Trump admin not sending migrants to Florida after backlash.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) does not plan to send migrant families to Florida after reports about a Trump administration proposal resulted in backlash from local and state officials this week.

A CBP official told The Hill on Saturday that the administration is not looking at transporting family units to Florida "at this time" but said officials were looking at housing migrants in other areas across the country.

It was reported earlier this week that the administration planned to send hundreds of migrant families to Broward and Palm Beach counties, two Democratic strongholds in Florida that are among the state's most populous areas.

"Because of everybody's efforts, we are able to stop what had appeared to be a crisis for our community," Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw said in a statement Saturday, local TV station WPTV reported.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), an ally of President Trump, was among those who pushed back on the reported plans, saying Friday that the proposal was "not acceptable" and that it might not go into effect.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/444391-trump-admin-wont-be-sending-migrants-to-florida-after-backlash%3famp

 
Trump admin not sending migrants to Florida after backlash.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) does not plan to send migrant families to Florida after reports about a Trump administration proposal resulted in backlash from local and state officials this week.

A CBP official told The Hill on Saturday that the administration is not looking at transporting family units to Florida "at this time" but said officials were looking at housing migrants in other areas across the country.

It was reported earlier this week that the administration planned to send hundreds of migrant families to Broward and Palm Beach counties, two Democratic strongholds in Florida that are among the state's most populous areas.

"Because of everybody's efforts, we are able to stop what had appeared to be a crisis for our community," Palm Beach County Sheriff Ric Bradshaw said in a statement Saturday, local TV station WPTV reported.

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), an ally of President Trump, was among those who pushed back on the reported plans, saying Friday that the proposal was "not acceptable" and that it might not go into effect.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/administration/444391-trump-admin-wont-be-sending-migrants-to-florida-after-backlash%3famp
Darn. I was looking forward to the tent city right outside of Mar-A-Lago's gates.

 
Unbelievable. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/24/chip-roy-blocks-disaster-aid-funding-1343295

Everybody had agreed to it. Even Trump had stated he would sign it immediately. And then this one guy stops the whole thing because he wants wall funding attached. 

All those people suffering, in desperate need of aid, get to wait another 10 days. So infuriating. 
The article did say one reason he took issue with it is because congressional leaders left off billions of dollars in emergency funding President Donald Trump seeks for handling the inflow of immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico border.

 
And now if during the delay Mark Meadows and the other Freedom Caucus dudes can get in Trump’s ear again this whole bill could fall apart,  meaning no disaster money. Would that hurt Republicans in 2020? You bet. It would make them look extremist (which Meadows clearly is.) But in the meantime it would also really hurt a lot of desperate people who have already waited for months for this help. 

 
The article did say one reason he took issue with it is because congressional leaders left off billions of dollars in emergency funding President Donald Trump seeks for handling the inflow of immigrants at the U.S.-Mexico border.
That money Trump is seeking is specifically for the wall, and it has nothing to do with disaster relief. The bill was already held up for months for this reason and also because Trump didn’t want to help Puerto Rico. But the Democrats refused to give in. All of this had already been negotiated. 

 
Unbelievable. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/24/chip-roy-blocks-disaster-aid-funding-1343295

Everybody had agreed to it. Even Trump had stated he would sign it immediately. And then this one guy stops the whole thing because he wants wall funding attached. 

All those people suffering, in desperate need of aid, get to wait another 10 days. So infuriating. 
Shame on him and scary that Jordan and Meadows have been in the room so much with Trump.  He really likes to surround himself with the worst people. 

 
Shame on him and scary that Jordan and Meadows have been in the room so much with Trump.  He really likes to surround himself with the worst people. 
Whoever the Democratic candidate is in 2020 needs to point out that, whatever Trump has promised, he has rarely if ever gone against the Freedom Caucus. Every action he has taken or refused to take as President has been with the blessing of Mark Meadows. 

 
Unbelievable. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/24/chip-roy-blocks-disaster-aid-funding-1343295

Everybody had agreed to it. Even Trump had stated he would sign it immediately. And then this one guy stops the whole thing because he wants wall funding attached. 

All those people suffering, in desperate need of aid, get to wait another 10 days. So infuriating. 
This one guy = Chip Roy. He's Ted Cruz's former chief of staff and he's terrible. Also, he beat a FAR better candidate in Joseph Kopser because Texas.

 
Should he "lighten up"?

This is the second time in a couple of hours that you've posted a Fox News meme which was purposefully deceptive. But of course it wasn't your intent; you knew it all along.
No Tim, it wasn't purposefully deceptive. Enough of your crap trying to generalize my thoughts. I found the piece to be interesting considering what took place today and it was part of the events leading up to where we are at with trying to get a bill passed.  I wasn't snarky with the articles. You guys are not a friendly bunch at all and wonder why this place is called a liberal echo chamber. Anything posted here that you don't agree with is treated with snark and crap like you just posted again.

So yes lighten up.

 
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No Tim, it wasn't purposefully deceptive. Enough of your crap trying to generalize my thoughts. I found the piece to be interesting considering what took place today and it was part of the events leading up to where we are at with trying to get a bill passed.  I wasn't snarky with the articles. You guys are not a friendly bunch at all and wonder why this place is called a liberal echo chamber. Anything posted here that you don't agree with is treated with snark and crap like you just posted again.

So yes lighten up.
See you tomorrow :bye:

 
If I remember correctly there was a post here made by Joe that he has some conservative friends that said they would never post here due to how they would be treated. It is proven time and again.

 
No Tim, it wasn't purposefully deceptive. Enough of your crap trying to generalize my thoughts. I found the piece to be interesting considering what took place today and it was part of the events leading up to where we are at with trying to get a bill passed.  I wasn't snarky with the articles. You guys are not a friendly bunch at all and wonder why this place is called a liberal echo chamber. Anything posted here that you don't agree with is treated with snark and crap like you just posted again.

So yes lighten up.
No that is not the case. What is the case is that people who post stuff that is deceptive or dishonest are called out for it. Sorry if that bothers you.

 
No that is not the case. What is the case is that people who post stuff that is deceptive or dishonest are called out for it. Sorry if that bothers you.
There was nothing deceptive or dishonest about what I posted and you need to back off of this stance Tim. I edited my one post to clarify my position and then I posted a piece that I thought fit into some background of how we got to today regarding trying to get the disaster aid bill passed.

 
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Just another unfortunate coincidence guys....nothing to see here.  Clearly you are fools for not being able to read minds and instead use logic to piece things together...how short sighted of you :thumbdown:  

 
Just another unfortunate coincidence guys....nothing to see here.  Clearly you are fools for not being able to read minds and instead use logic to piece things together...how short sighted of you :thumbdown:  
Especially when it was first posted in the Fox thread pointing out the absurdity of Fox posting it today. 

 

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