I'm going to check this out. Thanks.I don't know if anyone else saw the 60 minutes piece but it was a pretty fair assessment of what's going on at the border. It's definitely a crisis. There is no way to walk away from that segment and think that holding out for a wall in lieu of more judges, more agents, more lawyers and more facilities is the smart play. A wall isn't going to get people processed. A wall isn't going to be a place where people can sleep. A wall isn't going to keep the drugs from flowing through the points of entry. There isn't a single issue outlined as part of the crisis in that piece that a wall would address.
This is 100% right. I was just wondering if any of the Trump-guys would admit it. Mr. Tough-on-Immigration has caused it to skyrocket.Since my satirical response was hidden, here's the correct response:
DJT and his stupid ideas when it comes to the southern border.
Keep threatening to shut it down and we'll continue to see increases in all types of immigration - legal, illegal, asylum. If real people, in desperate life-threatening situations think that their window of opportunity to make it into America is closing rapidly they will act quickly. They are. Same goes for anyone trying to make it here as an immigrant.
eta: there was nothing in my satirical response that required hiding unless someone was sensitive to the truth.
I had to substitute the word "stupid" for the dreaded "r-word" in fear of getting banned again for being even more truthful. Oh wellThis is 100% right. I was just wondering if any of the Trump-guys would admit it. Mr. Tough-on-Immigration has caused it to skyrocket.
Mr. Tough-On-Immigration wants to protect immigrants by putting them in sanctuary cities where they can't be apprehended by the Feds.This is 100% right. I was just wondering if any of the Trump-guys would admit it. Mr. Tough-on-Immigration has caused it to skyrocket.Since my satirical response was hidden, here's the correct response:
DJT and his stupid ideas when it comes to the southern border.
Keep threatening to shut it down and we'll continue to see increases in all types of immigration - legal, illegal, asylum. If real people, in desperate life-threatening situations think that their window of opportunity to make it into America is closing rapidly they will act quickly. They are. Same goes for anyone trying to make it here as an immigrant.
eta: there was nothing in my satirical response that required hiding unless someone was sensitive to the truth.
It's simple supply and demand. Restrict supply (access) and demand goes up.That should be a question for all of us no matter who we support. I am not a Trump guy but I do want answers as to why the border crisis is getting so out of control.
I've always said that Obama could have done the country a great service by telling his successor: "Whatever you do, don't resign."Plus I've always believed it's human nature to do the opposite of what you are told to do.
With his state of emergency nonsense, everyone is saying it's now or never to escape the oppression. Trump has actually made it a state of emergency to Central America. Keep in mind, immigration was the lowest it's been in 45 years until Trump decided to work his magic on it.It's simple supply and demand. Restrict supply (access) and demand goes up.
Plus I've always believed it's human nature to do the opposite of what you are told to do.
Or if he told him he could hold his breath for ten minutes.I've always said that Obama could have done the country a great service by telling his successor: "Whatever you do, don't resign."
this is untrue.Mr. Tough-On-Immigration wants to protect immigrants by putting them in sanctuary cities where they can't be apprehended by the Feds.
He doesn't really want to do that either. That whole thing was to try and embarrass the Democrats with a gotcha moment. But that blew up in his face but Trump being Trump he goes to a rally and lies to his supporters.Mr. Tough-On-Immigration wants to protect immigrants by putting them in sanctuary cities where they can't be apprehended by the Feds.
Sadly. pretty well
“Hey, great job making us money. Let us give some back to you, be on the board.”
All the ones we can't fill without immigrant workers? I thought the farmers were choosing to let the crops rot in the fields. Is that not correct?People that support this just do not care about the atrocities these asylum seekers endure. They don't want those people coming here and stealing all the jobs they should be given......yadda, yada, yada.....
I think most Trump supports are good, God fearing people so they must not see it the same way otherwise they'd be spending every minute of every day on their knees praying.In 2018 89% of asylum seekers were able to pass the initial screening that they faced significant harm in their home country. Under Trump only 17% were granted asylum.
I don't know how people that support this can sleep at night. All with face the Judgement of God and will beg for entrance into His Heavenly Kingdom.
Member of border militia that detained 200 migrants at gunpoint told police another member had said, “Why are we...not lining them up and shooting them? We have to go back to Hitler days and put them all in a gas chamber” per report I obtained under FOIA:
FFS
Patriots, very fine peopleurbanhack said:
AJ+ just put out this story on our group if anyone is interested.
This is why I push back on the "this isn't a crisis" shtick around here. People conflate events happening down there and these pictures are a the result. It's absurd. There is absolutely a crisis going on. Not one that a wall will fix, but there is absolutely one going on down there.CNN has obtained photos of conditions at one of the border camps, which were sneaked out by someone shocked and outraged at how our government is treating these people:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/14/americas/gallery/border-patrol-station-mcallen-texas/index.html?no-st=9999999999
Hope you have a strong stomach...
Are we looking at the same pictures? What's worse in these pictures than what is found in almost any trailer park or most inner cities?This is why I push back on the "this isn't a crisis" shtick around here. People conflate events happening down there and these pictures are a the result. It's absurd. There is absolutely a crisis going on. Not one that a wall will fix, but there is absolutely one going on down there.
When President Trump claimed that it was a crisis back in November, when he was trying to get Republicans re-elected, it was not a crisis. Now it is a crisis. But it wouldn't be, IMO, if we dealt with these people properly. It's a crisis because our government doesn't want them here and is therefore doing the absolute mimimum required by law to process them.This is why I push back on the "this isn't a crisis" shtick around here. People conflate events happening down there and these pictures are a the result. It's absurd. There is absolutely a crisis going on. Not one that a wall will fix, but there is absolutely one going on down there.
Granted the trailer parks in WI may be different from where you are from, but I've never seen people sitting outside with insulation blankets at a trailer park. Also never seen groups gathered under a shelter like shown unless it was for a birthday or other party. Who knows, maybe these pictures were taken when they were celebrating the departure of Kirstjen Nielsen?Gawain said:Are we looking at the same pictures? What's worse in these pictures than what is found in almost any trailer park or most inner cities?
Or the homeless you see living under overpasses in most major cities.Gawain said:Are we looking at the same pictures? What's worse in these pictures than what is found in almost any trailer park or most inner cities?
https://www.theatlantic.com/photo/2016/02/americas-tent-cities-for-the-homeless/462450/Or the homeless you see living under overpasses in most major cities.
Brutal commentGawain said:Are we looking at the same pictures? What's worse in these pictures than what is found in almost any trailer park or most inner cities?
This one too.Or the homeless you see living under overpasses in most major cities.
No....there was a crisis. It might not have been as large as it is now, but as soon as people started getting backed up at the border, it became a crisis. You'll also notice several saying we desperately needed more bodies in the form of judges, housing, lawyers and enforcement to deal with it. The pictures you see now are why.timschochet said:When President Trump claimed that it was a crisis back in November, when he was trying to get Republicans re-elected, it was not a crisis. Now it is a crisis. But it wouldn't be, IMO, if we dealt with these people properly. It's a crisis because our government doesn't want them here and is therefore doing the absolute mimimum required by law to process them.
ooooofGawain said:Are we looking at the same pictures? What's worse in these pictures than what is found in almost any trailer park or most inner cities?
OK. I can acknowledge all of this.No....there was a crisis. It might not have been as large as it is now, but as soon as people started getting backed up at the border, it became a crisis. You'll also notice several saying we desperately needed more bodies in the form of judges, housing, lawyers and enforcement to deal with it. The pictures you see now are why.
To downplay how bad this administration has screwed things up and try and defend it by claiming others are supposedly hypocrites for caring about this.Are people really making the argument: no big deal, our homeless have it just as bad! ? Even supposing for a moment this were true, what is the point of such an argument?
WowTo downplay how bad this administration has screwed things up and try and defend it by claiming others are supposedly hypocrites for caring about this.
I’m guessing some are agruing that our homeless population that are us citizens living in similar conditions but get a lot less media attention and outrage.Are people really making the argument: no big deal, our homeless have it just as bad! ? Even supposing for a moment this were true, what is the point of such an argument?
So what’s your plan?..To downplay how bad this administration has screwed things up and try and defend it by claiming others are supposedly hypocrites for caring about this.
Did the US put them in that situation as we did with these immigrants?I’m guessing some are agruing that our homeless population that are us citizens living in similar conditions but get a lot less media attention and outrage.
Am I an elected official tasked with making a plan on this?So what’s your plan?..
Not sure but you can some ideas on how to fix the problem.Am I an elected official tasked with making a plan on this?
This might have some merit if the people making the argument were people that generally try to help our homeless through social programs instead of people who generally fight those efforts.I’m guessing some are agruing that our homeless population that are us citizens living in similar conditions but get a lot less media attention and outrage.
As you like to do so often.....you tell people to answer the question when you ask one. So answer it.Am I an elected official tasked with making a plan on this?
I don't know; I've pretty much been outraged my entire life about how homeless people live. In any case, wouldn't any decent person be outraged by both situations? I certainly am.I’m guessing some are agruing that our homeless population that are us citizens living in similar conditions but get a lot less media attention and outrage.
Well it’s been discussed beforehand far as more judges to handle the cases. Pretty much the opposite of this administration wanting to put more limits on legal immigration.Not sure but you can some ideas on how to fix the problem.
We've covered it in this thread. Spend the money: get as many judges down there as you need to process these poor people. Treat them humanely in the meantime. Give them food, shelter, medical care. Don't separate them. Tell them that we welcome refugees here, and that if they're not criminals or bad people they can stay.Not sure but you can some ideas on how to fix the problem.