belljr
Footballguy
Actually in KC defense. I believe he said, we shouldn't send government employees into hurricanes for people that ignored the warnings.... But I haven't paid close enough attention
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He was so eager to jump in with his talk-radio-approved "Democrats controlled all 3 branches!" talking point that he didn't even realize that the past 3 shutdowns (including the current one) involved one party controlling all the branches.Fun with Facts[icon] said:Fun fact:
4 of the Government Shutdowns (about 1/3 of all shutdowns) were when Democrats held the Presidency, House, AND senate.
How does that even happen when you have control of the whole show and STILL have to shut the machine down?
So, basically you're using Carter and the economic issues during his time as your Fun Fact? That's not really a Fun Fact, more so a dumb reality if we're going to equate all shutdowns as equal in weight. So, by all means, believe your Fun Fact but that was 40 years ago... hey, that is a Fun Fact.
1 = Ford (R). House (D). Senate (D)
2 = Carter (D), House (D), Senate (D)
3 = Carter (D), House (D), Senate (D)
4 = Carter (D), House (D), Senate (D)
5 = Carter (D), House (D), Senate (D)
6 = Carter (D), House (D), Senate (D)
7 = Reagan (R) House (D), Senate (R)
8 = Reagan (R), House (D), Senate (R)
9 = Reagan (R), House (D), Senate (R)
10 = Reagan (R), House (D), Senate (R)
11 = Reagan (R), House (D), Senate (R)
12 = Reagan (R), House (D), Senate (R)
13 = Reagan (R), House (D), Senate (R)
14 = Reagan (R), House (D), Senate (D)
15 = HW Bush (R), House (D), Senate (D)
16 = Clinton (D), House (R), Senate (R)
17 = Clinton (D), House (R), Senate (R)
18 = Obama (D), House (R), Senate (R)
19 = Trump (R), House (R), Senate (R)
20 = Trump (R), House (R), Senate (R)
21 = Trump (R), House (R), Senate (R)
Math is hard. 5/21 = 33.33%
3/21 = 14%
How does that even happen, indeed!
Franknbeans
Footballguy
and access to health careThe Z Machine said:
Mile High
Footballguy
Haven't you heard the sick out is fake news.
Tyler Q. Houlton @SpoxDHS · 18h
More #FakeNews from @CNN
. Security operations at airports have not been impacted by a non-existent sick out. CNN has the cell numbers of multiple @TSA public affairs professionals, but rather than validate statistics, they grossly misrepresented them.
Mario Kart
Footballguy
Who knew?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Not sure of the Carter specifics but several of the older ones were technical problems that were immediately cleaned up.
"Shutdowns" aren't all the same.
squistion
Footballguy
Unless Trump is onboard he will veto it and McConnell would not probably want to push for the votes needed for a veto override as he is running for reelection in 2020 and that might bring him a primary challenger from the right.
Shutdown #2: The Abortion Shutdown
When did it take place? Sept. 30 to Oct. 13, 1977
How long did it last? 12 days
Who was president? Jimmy Carter
Who controlled the Senate? Democrats, 59-41; Robert Byrd was majority leader
Who controlled the House? Democrats, 292-143; Tip O'Neill was speaker
Why did it happen? The House insisted on continuing the ban on using Medicaid dollars to pay for abortions except in cases where the life of the mother was at stake. The Senate wanted to loosen this to include allowances for abortions in the case of rape or incest or when the mother's health was in danger. Because the issue had become tied to funding for Labor and HEW, failure to come to an agreement led those agencies to have a funding gap.
What resolved it? The Medicaid ban was continued until Oct. 31 and the shutdown ended, to give negotiators more time to work out a deal.
Shutdown #3: The Abortion Shutdown II: Abortion Boogaloo
When did it take place? Oct. 31 to Nov. 9, 1977
How long did it last? 8 days
Who was president? Jimmy Carter
Who controlled the Senate? Democrats, 59-41; Robert Byrd was majority leader
Who controlled the House? Democrats, 292-143; Tip O'Neill was speaker
Why did it happen? Not enough time had elapsed since the temporary measure ending the shutdown passed for the abortion standoff to be resolved.
What resolved it? Another temporary bill was signed by Carter to allow for more time for Congress to resolve its abortion dispute.
Shutdown #4: The Abortion Shutdown III: Dark of the Moon
When did it take place? Nov. 30 to Dec. 9, 1977
How long did it last? 8 days
Who was president? Jimmy Carter
Who controlled the Senate? Democrats, 59-41; Robert Byrd was majority leader
Who controlled the House? Democrats, 292-143; Tip O'Neill was speaker
Why did it happen? The second temporary measure ending a shutdown, meant to allow more time for negotiation, didn't last long enough. The House, in particular, rejected a Senate proposal that would have allowed for Medicaid to pay for abortions by victims of statutory rape. House conservatives rejected it as too lax and House liberals as too tough on rape victims. Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.), who is still in the House, asked on the House floor, "What happens in Fort Apache [South Bronx], where a girl is gang-raped and told she will be killed if she reports it?"
What resolved it? A deal was brokered in which the exception allowing Medicaid to pay for abortions in cases where the mother's life is endangered was widened to include abortions resulting from rape or incest, or which are necessary to protect the mother's health (even if her life was not endangered).
Shutdown #5: Jimmy Carter vs. the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier
When did it take place? Sept. 30 to Oct.18, 1978
How long did it last? 18 days
Who was president? Jimmy Carter
Who controlled the Senate? Democrats, 59-41; Robert Byrd was majority leader
Who controlled the House? Democrats, 292-143; Tip O'Neill was speaker
Why did it happen? Congress passed a defense bill including funding for a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. Carter judged that carrier wasteful and vetoed it. He also vetoed a public works appropriations bill because of water projects that he considered wasteful pork. Additionally, spending for HEW was delayed, once again, over a dispute concerning funding for abortion.
What resolved it? A new defense bill, excluding funding for the carrier, was passed, as was a new public works bill excluding the water projects Carter opposed. The previous year's compromise solution on abortion, in which funding was reserved for cases of rape, incest and jeopardy to the mother's health, was agreed to in both houses.
Shutdown #6: Higher pay, fewer abortions
When did it take place? Sept. 30 to Oct. 12, 1979
How long did it last? 11 days
Who was president? Jimmy Carter
Who controlled the Senate? Democrats, 58-42; Robert Byrd was majority leader
Who controlled the House? Democrats, 277-158; Tip O'Neill was speaker
Why did it happen? The House wanted to raise congressional and senior civil servant pay by 5.5 percent, which the Senate opposed. The lower house also wanted to limit federal abortion spending to cases where the mother's life was in danger, while the Senate wanted to keep funding in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother's health is in serious jeopardy. The dispute was not resolved before a partial shutdown.
What resolved it? The House got its pay increases but had to allow abortion funding in cases of rape or incest (but not when the mother's health, rather than life, was in danger). The latter was a slight tightening of the previous year's Medicaid abortion compromise.
When did it take place? Sept. 30 to Oct. 12, 1979
How long did it last? 11 days
Who was president? Jimmy Carter
Who controlled the Senate? Democrats, 58-42; Robert Byrd was majority leader
Who controlled the House? Democrats, 277-158; Tip O'Neill was speaker
Why did it happen? The House wanted to raise congressional and senior civil servant pay by 5.5 percent, which the Senate opposed. The lower house also wanted to limit federal abortion spending to cases where the mother's life was in danger, while the Senate wanted to keep funding in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother's health is in serious jeopardy. The dispute was not resolved before a partial shutdown.
What resolved it? The House got its pay increases but had to allow abortion funding in cases of rape or incest (but not when the mother's health, rather than life, was in danger). The latter was a slight tightening of the previous year's Medicaid abortion compromise.
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I feel like some of you struggle with reading.I’m not a Republican. These aren’t “talk radio points”. I’ve REPEATEDLY said both sides are partisan idiots and the 3 shutdowns during the fully Republican government solidify that point. Both instances are pathetic.
As an ADDED bonus I have a bunch of you falling over yourselves to paint this into a left v right issue with further supports my claim that both the left and right are more obsessed with “winning” this red v blue slapfight than they are actually concerned with improving the nation.
Here’s a spoiler: we are ALL losing.
BigJim®
Footballguy
Huh, well I’m drawing a blank on what sending government employees into risk of death to protect the defiant is at all relevant to any of my positions.
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msommer
Footballguy
Youmg 'un....
I don't remember at all. I was 8 when he was elected. I vividly remember the next guy :shudder:
msommer
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
If that was your point then why did you go all
I’m not a Republican. These aren’t “talk radio points”. I’ve REPEATEDLY said both sides are partisan idiots and the 3 shutdowns during the fully Republican government solidify that point. Both instances are pathetic.
As an ADDED bonus I have a bunch of you falling over yourselves to paint this into a left v right issue with further supports my claim that both the left and right are more obsessed with “winning” this red v blue slapfight than they are actually concerned with improving the nation.
Here’s a spoiler: we are ALL losing.
Emoji emoji Democrats emojie!@!@!@!
To add. I'm not a Democrat
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Big Jim was no one’s fool, he owned the town’s only diamond mine
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Ok. I don't really care. If a large chunk of the government isn't getting paid due to legislators not doing their jobs, the people who hold the power to change that should also be affected.
The legislators can get back pay when everyone else does.
msommer
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
The current shutdown is a left vs right issue.
I’m not a Republican. These aren’t “talk radio points”. I’ve REPEATEDLY said both sides are partisan idiots and the 3 shutdowns during the fully Republican government solidify that point. Both instances are pathetic.
As an ADDED bonus I have a bunch of you falling over yourselves to paint this into a left v right issue with further supports my claim that both the left and right are more obsessed with “winning” this red v blue slapfight than they are actually concerned with improving the nation.
Here’s a spoiler: we are ALL losing.
timschochet
Footballguy
Translation: Republicans are at fault, Republicans are losing.
I’m not a Republican. These aren’t “talk radio points”. I’ve REPEATEDLY said both sides are partisan idiots and the 3 shutdowns during the fully Republican government solidify that point. Both instances are pathetic.
As an ADDED bonus I have a bunch of you falling over yourselves to paint this into a left v right issue with further supports my claim that both the left and right are more obsessed with “winning” this red v blue slapfight than they are actually concerned with improving the nation.
Here’s a spoiler: we are ALL losing.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Star Trek IV....Transparent Aluminum.Banger said:
Trump is REALLY ahead of the game on this one!.
-fish-
Footballguy
you guys really don't understand how the ignore feature works? if someone posts an ignored poster, the quote shows up. it defeats the purpose of ignore, because now everyone has to see the post. that's why where there is someone who is ignored by a lot of people gets quoted, there is often a reminder or a request not to quote them.GoBirds said:
Amused to Death
Footballguy
You know Trump's had 2 full shutdowns and a 3rd budget gap in one year while controlling the whole show. So yeah,[icon] said:Shutdowns are widely a result of dissent between presidency and house or senate (more often the former). There have been slightly more shutdowns during Republican presidencies with a Democratic house.
Fun fact:
4 of the Government Shutdowns (about 1/3 of all shutdowns) were when Democrats held the Presidency, House, AND senate.
How does that even happen when you have control of the whole show and STILL have to shut the machine down?
Great leadership.
KCitons
Footballguy
Some of you don't know what ignore means. Making a comment about a poster you have on ignore, is not ignoring them.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Trump's not going to give the press/Democrats the glee of HIM giving in. McConnell is going to be the fall guy if the Republicans cave.
timschochet
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
They could agree to tear down the existing fence, allow Central Americans in and give them free townhomes in Laredo and Trump would claim he won and this was what he was saying all along.
Sheriff Bart
Footballguy
Come gather round, children,
It's high time ye learned
'Bout a hero named Homer
And a devil named Burns.
We'll march 'till we drop
The girls and the fellas.
We'll fight 'till the death
Or else fold like umbrellas.
So we'll march day and night
By the big cooling tower.
They have the plant
But we have the power.
It's high time ye learned
'Bout a hero named Homer
And a devil named Burns.
We'll march 'till we drop
The girls and the fellas.
We'll fight 'till the death
Or else fold like umbrellas.
So we'll march day and night
By the big cooling tower.
They have the plant
But we have the power.
whoknew
Footballguy
proteus126
Footballguy
I wonder if Trump knows what will happen when health insurance premium payments are missed because paychecks didn't go out. Those premiums are taken out of every bi-weekly paycheck.
I wonder if Trump knows that what will happen to agency matching contributions to the Federal TSP? Are they lost to the employee?
Long-term care insurance premiums? Do they lapse? Life insurance premiums?
Nah - if he was actually aware he wouldn't GAF. And anyway, the employees should have planned better. [Or maybe the insurers should have planned better!]
I wonder if Trump knows that what will happen to agency matching contributions to the Federal TSP? Are they lost to the employee?
Long-term care insurance premiums? Do they lapse? Life insurance premiums?
Nah - if he was actually aware he wouldn't GAF. And anyway, the employees should have planned better. [Or maybe the insurers should have planned better!]
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GoBirds
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Sounds like a really big deal. Sorry don’t use the ignore button, don’t see the need to get worked up over people on th cyberwebs with extreme political positions.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
With Trump Org building those condos? OK, granting naming rights....they don't actually build much. This one might have legs.
Wanna start the petition? I get that you were jesting and not actually in favor, but I really don't see any way to rescue Donny from the corner he's painted himself into, so let's start thinking outside the box to see if we can get the gubermint reopened.
cosjobs
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Sally YatesVerified account @SallyQYates 3h3 hours ago
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POTUS’ latest temper tantrum is not about border security. Like a spoiled two year old holding his breath, he is holding our nation hostage—trying to force taxpayers to foot the bill for his vanity project he promised Mexico would fund. Meanwhile, the country suffers.
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POTUS’ latest temper tantrum is not about border security. Like a spoiled two year old holding his breath, he is holding our nation hostage—trying to force taxpayers to foot the bill for his vanity project he promised Mexico would fund. Meanwhile, the country suffers.
The General
Footballguy
Well, Trump would definitely agree to that. He’d sell Texas back to Mexico if he personally got to make some cash off the deal.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I still think a buyout would be quicker than impeachment. Everyone has a price. He seems to be stuck on $5Bn, that’d probably do it.
Would save us from economic ruin / nuclear annihilation / worldwide embarrassment. Totally worth it.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
I stop in at Georgetown Brewery and pick up a couple of growlers every other week or so. I love their porter.the moops said:
msommer
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The General
Footballguy
For sure am down for a buyout. I know that would get more donations than the wall gofundme.
The General
Footballguy
Fan of Charles McCoy
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Well, @Henry Ford diagnosed this craziness during our exchange a couple of days ago in this very thread. He’s correct that words do matter, as does their meaning.squistion said:
Daily Beast reports:
Along with saying the word "####" at least 3 times throughout the White House meeting, Trump bizarrely stated that he didn't want to call the government shutdown a "shutdown." He wanted to call it a "strike,"
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-referred-to-shutdown-as-strike-in-profanity-laced-meeting-with-democratic-leaders?via=twitter_page
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The Future Champs
Footballguy
Hmmm, might need to check this out during the Viadoom period. Obviously won't be driving down to Georgetown.
The General
Footballguy
Really curious how that few weeks is going to go...prepared for chaos! In the meantime, Chuck's on 85th will take care of your growler needs. Place has you covered for pretty much everything.
The General
Footballguy
Henry Ford
Footballguy
It’s what all of this is all about, man. It’s a fight for shared reality as a concept.
proteus126
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Mark Landler @MarkLandler 3h3 hours ago
Trump’s advisers came up with the “Wall” as a memory device to keep him from forgetting immigration in his campaign speeches. Now it is boxing in his entire presidency.
@juliehdavis @peterbakernyt
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/us/politics/donald-trump-border-wall.html
squistion
Footballguy
emptywheel @emptywheel 3h3 hours ago
Mark Landler @MarkLandler 3h3 hours ago
Trump’s advisers came up with the “Wall” as a memory device to keep him from forgetting immigration in his campaign speeches. Now it is boxing in his entire presidency.
@juliehdavis @peterbakernyt
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/05/us/politics/donald-trump-border-wall.html
The entire government has been shut down because Sam Nunberg and Roger Stone needed to find a way to get Trump to remember his racist lines.
https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1081655796117712896
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