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Unrest in Milwaukee (2 Viewers)

One thing occurred to me yesterday, when I see people in this thread are worried about flying in to Mitchell or going to a show at Turner Hall, you have to agree Bud knew what he was doing when he put Miller Park where he did rather than downtown. 

 
rude classless thugs said:
There was a thread covering both of these in 2011, which was something like "Black Flash Mobs Attack Whites" that was eventually locked or deleted by the mods.

Can't remember the details, but some people who looked into it found both of these incidents somewhat exaggerated. And with the State Fair, there wasn't a general consensus among police/lawmakers/politicians that this indeed was racially motivated or that blacks went into the fair looking to single out and attack white folks. The right wing blogosphere still runs with these stories but the alleged racial anti-white intent claimed by witnesses was never proven.
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Well, thank God they stated it on camera this time so there won't be any confusion. 

 
For those not in the area... Wauwatosa and West Allis share borders with Milwaukee... like cross the street borders.

If this link works correctly, you can see what I mean. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Milwaukee,+WI/@43.0578061,-88.1075138,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x880502d7578b47e7:0x445f1922b5417b84!8m2!3d43.0389025!4d-87.9064736

To say they are suburbs is technically correct however, to get to the "better" parts of these suburbs you want to be as far west as possible... for the most part. There are pockets in each that are quite nice and pricey. But, in the link above, if you have the money, and you need a good amount of it, you want to move to Brookfield, Elm Grove, or New Berlin going west. Germantown to the northwest and Mequon to the north. Those are the suburbs with much higher quality of life versus Wauwatosa and West Allis.

 
CletiusMaximus said:
One thing occurred to me yesterday, when I see people in this thread are worried about flying in to Mitchell or going to a show at Turner Hall, you have to agree Bud knew what he was doing when he put Miller Park where he did rather than downtown. 
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There was an article a couple weeks ago rating the MLB parks. Miller was near the bottom and one of the knocks on it was because it was a modern park but not downtown. I'd say that person never was in Milwaukee as putting a park downtown is logistically a nightmare to begin with, especially when Miller Park was built (wasn't the freeway near the Bradley Center still up and where else would it go?) And, its not like where Miller Park is is some kind of bad planning or something. The freeway has to get redone but the space down there fits a park without having to build parking structures everywhere.

 
Mario Kart said:
For those not in the area... Wauwatosa and West Allis share borders with Milwaukee... like cross the street borders.

If this link works correctly, you can see what I mean. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Milwaukee,+WI/@43.0578061,-88.1075138,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x880502d7578b47e7:0x445f1922b5417b84!8m2!3d43.0389025!4d-87.9064736

To say they are suburbs is technically correct however, to get to the "better" parts of these suburbs you want to be as far west as possible... for the most part. There are pockets in each that are quite nice and pricey. But, in the link above, if you have the money, and you need a good amount of it, you want to move to Brookfield, Elm Grove, or New Berlin going west. Germantown to the northwest and Mequon to the north. Those are the suburbs with much higher quality of life versus Wauwatosa and West Allis.
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That was a bit of fun.  I looked up the main homes of my childhood, winter and summer.  Some changes.  Elm Grove and Beaver Lake.

 
rude classless thugs said:
Video evidence and an absence of conflicting accounts as to how and who started this and how many participants there actually were.
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Perfect..Now that we know the standard we can always believe the police, unless video evidence shows otherwise...We don't have to ever listen to so called eye witnesses again..

 
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parasaurolophus said:
Of course most teachers that are in the MPS live in Milwaukee. Until June 23 of this year you had to. 

We are talking about NEW teachers. If you are saying that MPS only recruits teachers inside the city of Milwaukee, you are actually strengthening my original point, which was that these teachers have long leashes since they don't have good candidates to replace them. 
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Negative.  Those who moved out of the city did not have to move back when the law was overturned originally.  The ruling was put on hold until the SC weighed in, effectively keeping "no residency required" law in place until their final ruling.

 
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SWC said:
and for the black community it was a relative johnny come lately in milwaukee the big populations here when milwaukee was coming of age were germans polish irish italian and now are shifting to hispaic backgrounds take that to the bank
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Hey SWC!

I took what you said to my bank today and the tellers looked at me like I was crazy.  WTH?

 
Mario Kart said:
For those not in the area... Wauwatosa and West Allis share borders with Milwaukee... like cross the street borders.

If this link works correctly, you can see what I mean. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Milwaukee,+WI/@43.0578061,-88.1075138,11z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x880502d7578b47e7:0x445f1922b5417b84!8m2!3d43.0389025!4d-87.9064736

To say they are suburbs is technically correct however, to get to the "better" parts of these suburbs you want to be as far west as possible... for the most part. There are pockets in each that are quite nice and pricey. But, in the link above, if you have the money, and you need a good amount of it, you want to move to Brookfield, Elm Grove, or New Berlin going west. Germantown to the northwest and Mequon to the north. Those are the suburbs with much higher quality of life versus Wauwatosa and West Allis.
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Agreed. West Allis (Dirty Stallis) I would not consider a suburb. Tosa is going downhill slowly.

 
My son told me this morning he had a dream there were riots in our neighborhood and he had to save "some girls" (he's 11). So he ran to the mayor's house. But the mayor's house wasn't his real house, which is right around the corner from ours, but was at my son's school, which is 5 blocks away. So he ran to his school, the mayor's house, and had to fight his way through the riots to finally get to Mayor Barrett and save the girls. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
My son told me this morning he had a dream there were riots in our neighborhood and he had to save "some girls" (he's 11). So he ran to the mayor's house. But the mayor's house wasn't his real house, which is right around the corner from ours, but was at my son's school, which is 5 blocks away. So he ran to his school, the mayor's house, and had to fight his way through the riots to finally get to Mayor Barrett and save the girls. 
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Why did you let your 11 year old watch The Purge?

;)

 
mr roboto said:
I know nothing about Milwaukee but I study demographics for my job. Here's a handy site that gives median HH income by census tract. Interesting to see income segregation visually. 

http://project.wnyc.org/median-income-nation/#11/43.0389/-87.9065
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Again, for those unfamiliar with Milwaukee, allow some explanation.

- The bright green by the lake. That is an area that has seen a rejuvenation of millenials called the 3rd Ward. High price condos all throughout that area. No "homes" but condos. Also, the white part just east of that area is where the Summerfest grounds are. The odd shaped green box at the top of that area (not the 3rd Ward btw) is "downtown" but those are high rise condos as well. Ryan Braun and Anastasio live in that box.

- the immediate west areas with $0 income... the orange "boxes" like... that is what is called the valley. No homes, maybe some condos but the river goes through it and the valley separates North vs. South. The furthest west "box" has the VA cemetery as well as Miller Park in it. Freeways and the valley as well as Potowotami Casino. Again, no homes, per se, and maybe a few condo type places but that is why that area is orange.

- the orange area north of the valley... above the word Milwaukee... is odd. That is mostly commercial and Marquette University is in that area so there are dorms and businesses. Where the Bucks play is not in that area so there are smaller type businesses. If there are any homes/condos, they are elderly assisted living but that would be about it.

- Wauwatosa, you see a couple nice green areas. That is where the Wauwatosa money is. As you can see though, most of it is yellow. Not too rich but not poor either. Two income starter families, maybe, but no one is working minimum wage there.

- West Allis... notice no green spots there. That is not to say West Allis doesn't have money but if you have money, you ain't living in West Allis.

**** the stuff that happened over the weekend was on North 44th St. The light orange area says it has about a 29k median income or so. I'm actually surprised it is that high in that area. For reference sake... this is about 1.5 inches following Fond du Lac ave from the white rectangle with 27th street in the rectangle.

**** one final political topic since MPS was brought up in this thread. One of the legislators that wrote a bill to "take over MPS" is from a place called River Hills. If you follow the lake north you will be able to see River Hills because it is a big area that is bright blue. Median income just shy of 200k.

 
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Mario Kart said:
**** one final political topic since MPS was brought up in this thread. One of the legislators that wrote a bill to "take over MPS" is from a place called River Hills. If you follow the lake north you will be able to see River Hills because it is a big area that is bright blue. Median income just shy of 200k.
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I grew up in a neighboring suburb in the 1980s. I don't recall River Hills at all. Was it established later?

 
Sandeman said:
I grew up in a neighboring suburb in the 1980s. I don't recall River Hills at all. Was it established later?
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In the 70's I worked at Brynwood Country Club out on Goodhope Road.  Exclusive Jewish country club.  Half the membership resided in River Hills, the rest in Shorewood and Whitefolks Bay.

 
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"They White.. Get Em!.... They beatin' up every white person!"

Thank God reverse-racism isn't a thing... :lol:   What a joke. Worst part is, when these "white persons" start shooting to defend themselves, they will be the ones labeled racist.

The amount of people getting concealed carry permits, and carrying on a daily basis has gone up about 2-fold in my circle of friends. LOTS of range-time. Tensions are already flaring up a bit here in Memphis and I don't see it getting any better any soon. We're one economic downturn away from some pretty serious problems, IMO. 

Such a sad state of affairs in this country, right now. 
 

 
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"Take that ##### to the suburbs. Burn that ##### down! We need our #####! We need our weave!"



Video footage shows the sister of the man shot dead by police in Milwaukee calling on rioters to burn down white suburbs instead of their own neighborhoods.

“Burning down ##### ain’t gonna help nothin’,” yells Sherelle Smith.

“You’re burnin’ down ##### we need in our community.”

“Take that ##### to the suburbs. Burn that ##### down!” she demands.

“We need our #####! We need our weave! I don’t wear it, but we need it!”


Sylville Smith's sister Sherelle encourages "protestors" to burn the suburbs @Cernovich @CassandraRules @rooshv pic.twitter.com/prxR2prcUV

— DeeconX (@DeeconX) August 15, 2016



According to police, body camera footage shows 23-year-old Sylville K. Smith aim a gun at officers before he was shot dead by an African-American cop.

The incident sparked a wave of violent unrest that continued through Sunday night.

Milwaukee is the most segregated metropolitan area in the United States, with whites almost exclusively living in the suburbs.



Between 1950 and 1990 there was a “white flight” from Milwaukee County into Waukesha County and suburbs of Milwaukee.

Smith’s call for rioters to stop burning down their own communities is being reported by the media as a rebuke to those behind the violence.

However, in reality she is really just calling for the mayhem to be inflicted on the suburbs, or in other words – where all the white people live.

Milwaukee Alderman Khalif Rainey responded to the weekend’s violence by tacitly threatening more riots if “oppression,” “unemployment” and “injustice” wasn’t addressed. Rainey failed to explain what this had to do with an armed man with a lengthy criminal record aiming a gun at police officers.

As we reported yesterday, the white people brave enough to venture through Milwaukee on Saturday night were directly targeted for racial attacks, with rioters yelling, “they white, get their ###!,” as they attempting to drag white drivers out of their vehicles.

 
And people wonder why "white people" move to the suburbs....  ain't nobody got time for this nonsense. 

 
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Mario Kart said:
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While those riots were stupid as hell as well... I'm assuming MOST people here are bright enough to see the difference between fans tearing #### up out of jubilation, and people tearing #### up while threatening other people and police. There celebration taken WAY too far and there's angry violence. You can PRETEND they're the same, but they're not. 

LOL @ some of the stuff on that list. "Oh Noes...There goes the neighborhood" :lol:   Making a campfire out of a mattress or couch while the crowd stands around peacefully drinking is pretty much a College football tradition. 

 
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While those riots were stupid as hell as well... I'm assuming MOST people here are bright enough to see the difference between fans tearing #### up out of jubilation, and people tearing #### up while threatening other people and police. There celebration taken WAY too far and there's angry violence. You can PRETEND they're the same, but they're not. 
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It could easily be argued that, while both are stupid, the riots out of jubilation do more harm overall. You are right, you can pretend they're the same but they are not.

 
Mario Kart said:
It could easily be argued that, while both are stupid, the riots out of jubilation do more harm overall. You are right, you can pretend they're the same but they are not.
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Shall we compare the death dolls and property damage from Milwaukee and the UT "Riots" in your link? Shall we examine the tone of the crowd's demeanor and the things attendees/leaders are saying to the media?

I'll hang up and listen. :popcorn:  

 
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Shall we compare the death dolls and property damage from Milwaukee and the UT "Riots" in your link? Shall we examine the tone of the crowd's demeanor and the things attendees/leaders are saying to the media?

I'll hang up and listen. :popcorn:  
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Nobody died/got killed this weekend while rioting. Not sure about property damage but in that article, I am sure, more property damage was done in those than what was done in Milwaukee this weekend. Some of what was said in Milwaukee this past weekend is hurtful but you're not here so you may not understand the atmosphere here. I'm not justifying what happened this weekend but it is something to take note of vs. some dumb sports riots that caused mayhem and damage. There are people suffering and, sadly, if it takes something newsworthy to get noticed the way it has, maybe that is a good thing. Turning over cars and starting fires because my team won a game... zero justification for that no matter where it happens.

 
I remember 1967.  I remember a young catholic priest, Father Groppi.  He spent weeks, months, advocating and marching, trying to get fair housing laws and to increase public transportation, education investment and health care into the inner city.  Father Groppi was a south-sider who grew up in a large family.

My Pops had his medical practice on the south side.  He was and remains a staunch Catholic. He met and supported Father Groppi in many things he did.  He met him both through father Groppi's family, some of whom where my father's patients, and through my Dad's roommate at Notre Dame who went on to the priesthood as well, Father Hoff.

Father Groppi got my Dad to agree to devote two Saturday's a month to working at a clinic, and out of Dad's office, offering healthcare to deprived inner city women (read negroes), Dad being an OB.Gyn.  I would go down with my Dad and I would box at a YMCA where Father Groppi had a program for the inner city kids while Dad did his thing.  I remember thinking he, father Groppi, was a bit of a psycho.  He would tell those kids that I, as a white suburban kid, represented what they would have to fight against all their lives.  We would whip them into a frenzied froth and then turn them loose on me.  He would have me go against several of these kids in a row, some often much larger.  I hated him.  He fostered dissent. I beat those kids and I mean I did not out box them, but I beat them as they would not stop even beyond sense they were so worked up by the Father.  I had a bit of a gift for violence and mayhem.  I did not get hurt, I got angry.  I did not ever shy from contact. I was always smaller, and the only one who never got rest, but I beat those poor kids.  It was sick.  it was not healthy recreation for those kids or for me.

I remember telling my dad about the bouts.   He found it hard to believe, at first, that a priest would give such direction.  He had great faith in Priests. 

Over the months Father Groppi started pushing at my Dad.  Father Groppi thought my dad ought to provide abortions as part of his service.  Of course they were illegal, and in my Dad's mind immoral (to this day he has never performed one unless the mother's live was truly in jeopardy.)  Father Groppi had contempt for what he saw as my Dad's moral cowardice.  He ended up pushing away my Dad's  help, a cooperative ally doing good work, since that ally was not 100% in line with the Father's thinking.  He was an irritatingly uncompromising man this Priest.

Father Groppi more or less repeated that pattern with Judge Serraphim, a fairly liberal, by Milwaukee standards, judge, who often, but not uniformly, agreed with some of the Father's advocacy.  Father Groppi ended up repeatedly picketing the judge's home because the judge was in some organization that would not admit blacks, I can't remember if it was the elks or the royal Order of Water Buffaloes, or whatever. It was sad because Judge Seraphim actually advocated changing admission rules to the organization.  Eventually Father Groppi's activities, uncompromising as they were backfired and Judge Seraphim, a sympathetic judge, was recused from some of Father Groppi's cases. The Father was tough on his friends.

The Father's uncompromising stances were standard for the time.  Rhetoric was inflamed.  The more whites fled to the suburbs the more the rhetoric grew.  It was a self reinforcing loop. Which came first, the chicken or the egg I cannot say and do not have any theories on the matter, I just know that as rhetoric grew heated parties on all sides retrenched into their positions. The Father lead marches everyday, he having learned his craft from Martin Luther King.  The Father however, was more inflammatory and confrontatory than King.   For 200 nights the marches went on. (Interestingly some give Father Groppi great credit for the 1968 Fair Housing Act, I know I do.)

Other groups also were marching, black churches, Black Panthers, SDS.  Elections and conventions were on the horizon.  Tensions were high.  Rumors rampant.  Mayor Meyer was frightened and Chief Breyer was itching to show his resolve.  Curfews went into place.  Emergency services folks got I.D.'s in case they had to be cleared through roadblocks.  Then they riots came.  I think of them as being sparked down on 3rd and Cherry, or 3rd and North.  Others have other theories, but cops were shot, blacks killed, houses burned, tanks rolled and after a week or so it was mostly over, though curfews and roadblocks remained in place for some weeks after.

In the midst of all of this my Dad got called into St. Luke's, a hospital then close to the near south side. I imagine it remains to this day.  Seems a woman was caught up in some pushing and shoving in one of the riots. She was injured, 8 and a half months pregnant, and she was going to deliver her baby.  She was concussed, had a broken leg, and a broken jaw.  Speculation was that this may have been due to police activity.

When my Dad's beeper went off we were at Lackey and Joys, a boat place out in Brookfield.  He took me with him.  We got stopped once or twice on the way in, but nothing too serious, most of the disturbance was confined well to the north of I-94.  We put the car, my mom's actually, in the Doctor's lot. My Dad did his thing while I drank hot chocolate in the Doctor's lounge, watched the color T.V., we did not yet have color, and occasionally wondered over to the observation lounge to watch the delivery, I had seen hundreds by then it being a not infrequent occurrence for me to be with my Dad when he did his Saturday rounds.

When Dad was done and in the locker room he was being interviewed by cops.  They had some questions about her status, she having been in the riot. I remember Dad being pissed.  He was not prepared to tell them when he might discharge the woman and they were insistent that he would.  About then a few more cops arrived.  Seems a disturbance had broken out outside the hospital.  A few cars in the parking lot had been damaged.  Windows broken and such.  A few others had been overturned, one was set afire.  It was ours.  My Dad having been on call and having spent hours with a person who had not been his patient until the emergency call paid for his troubles with a burned out car.

My Pop had no qualms with raising his kids in the suburbs.  If white flight was the problem or was a symptom after the problem was well germinated he did not care.  He wanted safety and education for his family.  He, well he never abandoned his practice down there on the near south side, but he did not have his family home in the City.

I remember talking to my Dad about this.  I discussed his Catholic belief's his views of his obligations to others, and his actions.  He stated he had his beliefs and principles, that he served them, but that among them were that he would protect his family. He told me then that he had already brought property in Canada, was donating regularly to McGill University, and had become adjunct staff at some associated hospital up there.  He was preparing to move his family rather than have his sons go off to Viet Nam, another volatile issue of the day.  He was a good man, a patriotic man, he was proud of his uncles who served and died in both theaters of WWII, but he also saw the world fairly clearly and he intended that his sons would not be drafted for that war.

The 60's were a tense and nutty time.  It seems we may be returning to such volatility once again.  I do not know that there are parallels or lessons from those days.  I am not trying to draw any.  I am merely remembering, triggered by current events.  

Oh, father Groppi got his Bill, but at a national level not in Milwaukee.  He left the priesthood, having married while a priest in defiance of the church.  I heard he went into lobbying and then maybe the Episcopalian ministry, maybe. I have no recollection as to the fates of the Mayor and the Chief, though they seem maybe, in my memory to have served for a few more years at least.  the judge, I cannot say what became of him.

 
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I wonder now, 50 years later, how accurate my boyhood memories are.  The perceptions of an elementary school kid can be so different from adult recollections. By the next summer I was smoking pot and was getting interested in girls, how could I not after Kim and Kari showed us in Bishop's woods that they could put a whole sack of jet-puffed marshmallows up inside themselves.  They were inventive and too advanced for me, but they did create a paradigm shift in the way I looked at the world, and marshmallows for that matter.

 
Interesting recollections of another time in Milwaukee.  I think I'm younger than you so my memories of the summer of 1967 are even hazier.  I remember the curfew and my dad (a MPS schoolteacher) having to call in to whether to report to summer job at Mrs. Karl's bakery on Pierce St.  I haven't thought of Judge Christ Seraphim in decades.  He may have been liberal in the 60s but he tacked to the right in later years.  I remember his TV commercials where he looked straight into the camera and announced "the people vote, the people win".

The 1967 riots and other efforts to desegregate the city accomplished little.  As others have mentioned, the decline of the blue collar economy hit Milwaukee hard.  The fathers of my friends who worked in factories were able to hang on for a while due to seniority but the path for entry went away.  Court ordered desegregation of the Public schools accelerated white flight and in many ways, exacerbated the divide between the races that existed before 1967.

I got out of town as soon as I could but still have family there and my daughter is a Marquette alum.  I was there as recently as last week although it was just a bridgehead for a family reunion in the North Woods.  I maintain a love/hate relationship with Milwaukee.  It's where I'm from and holds pleasant memories of my family and childhood friends but the segregation and accompanying racism is hard to take.  Mrs. Eephus is African-American and has visited with me almost annually for 30+ years.  She tolerated dozens of inappropriate remarks from people (both white and black) over the years  but now that my parents have passed and my daughter graduated, she's had it with the place.  It'll take a niece or nephew wedding to get her back.  I understand her position but I have to be more optimistic by my hometown.

 
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Interesting recollections of another time in Milwaukee.  I think I'm younger than you so my memories of the summer of 1967 are even hazier.  I remember the curfew and my dad (a MPS schoolteacher) having to call in to whether to report to summer job at Mrs. Karl's bakery on Pierce St.  I haven't thought of Judge Christ Seraphim in decades.  He may have been liberal in the 60s but he tacked to the right in later years.  I remember his TV commercials where he looked straight into the camera and announced "the people vote, the people win".

The 1967 riots and other efforts to desegregate the city accomplished little.  As others have mentioned, the decline of the blue collar economy hit Milwaukee hard.  The fathers of my friends who worked in factories were able to hang on for a while due to seniority but the path for entry went away.  Court ordered desegregation of the Public schools accelerated white flight and in many ways, exacerbated the divide between the races that existed before 1967.

I got out of town as soon as I could but still have family there and my daughter is a Marquette alum.  I was there as recently as last week although it was just a bridgehead for a family reunion in the North Woods.  I maintain a love/hate relationship with Milwaukee.  It's where I'm from and holds pleasant memories of my family and childhood friends but the segregation and accompanying racism is hard to take.  Mrs. Eephus is African-American and has visited with me almost annually for 30+ years.  She tolerated dozens of inappropriate remarks from people (both white and black) over the years  but now that my parents have passed and my daughter graduated, she's had it with the place.  It'll take a niece or nephew wedding to get her back.  I understand her position but I have to be more optimistic by my hometown.
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The first Mrs. DW was a woman of color.  Filipina, black, Sioux, Irish, German, and Brazilian.  When I took her back home we spent no time in Milwaukee, but did spend time at Beaver Lake and then up in Ephraim.  She commented, seeing the homogeneity of the folks there, that she knew then why they called it the great white north. I assured her there were various ethnic groups in Wisconsin, though not in those communities.

I remember we were in an antique shop in Ephraim.  It was August.  She commented about how welcoming and helpful were all the clerks.  She felt very welcome. I told her it was because the Packers had a day off and several players and player wives were in the area, and they are worshiped regardless of color, and are thought to have money to spend in shops.  She then noticed that several of the men in the vicinity were my size or larger. Then one of the clerks asked her who her husband was.  The clerk did not recognize the name but wished her well that her husband might make the team. I never did but I still hold out hope.

 
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Nobody died/got killed this weekend while rioting. Not sure about property damage but in that article, I am sure, more property damage was done in those than what was done in Milwaukee this weekend. Some of what was said in Milwaukee this past weekend is hurtful but you're not here so you may not understand the atmosphere here. I'm not justifying what happened this weekend but it is something to take note of vs. some dumb sports riots that caused mayhem and damage. There are people suffering and, sadly, if it takes something newsworthy to get noticed the way it has, maybe that is a good thing. Turning over cars and starting fires because my team won a game... zero justification for that no matter where it happens.
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What a load of crap. 

 
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Whitefolks Bay? Lol
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That's where I grew up.

I can tell you with conviction that racism was rampant in this community in the 1980s. I left Wisconsin an extremely prejudiced teen. As a fourth grader, my dad caught me with a "diary" that I kept with some buddies ridiculing a new hispanic kid. In high school, we used derogatory words without a second thought. Even made up song lyrics. Ignorance more than anything but I still cringe thinking that's who I was once upon a time.

For all the great things that community was, it had a very dark side and that's part of the reason we moved. And thankfully to the Bay Area where I got some sense knocked into me.

 
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I expect the same amount of outrage the next time a sporting riot occurs and there is property damage. You and others have set precedent for this type of thing. Just look in a mirror when you don't criticize the next riot when a team wins/loses. 

 
Mario Kart said:
I expect the same amount of outrage the next time a sporting riot occurs and there is property damage. You and others have set precedent for this type of thing. Just look in a mirror when you don't criticize the next riot when a team wins/loses. 
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I can guarantee, that the next time people participating in a sporting riot are ripping people out of their car and stomping on them, due to the color or their skin, I absolutely will have the same amount of outrage.

 
Spin said:
I can guarantee, that the next time people participating in a sporting riot are ripping people out of their car and stomping on them, due to the color or their skin, I absolutely will have the same amount of outrage.
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So, the property damage, smashed cars, fires are just fine in your eyes. Got it. 

 
Mario Kart said:
So, the property damage, smashed cars, fires are just fine in your eyes. Got it. 
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Who said that? :lol:

People who riot are #######s. People who loot and burn businesses are bigger #######s. PEople who attack/shoot innocent people while rioting are even BIGGER #######s. 

It's a sliding scale. 

Lighting a t shirt on fire on the end of a stick isn't quite the same thing as burning an innocent business to the ground and participating in racially-motivated assaults.... at least in my world. YMMV. 
 

 
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