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[Tremendous Upside]

Anyone know what the 'view' list on this thread maxed out at tonite? Man, busy night here in this one. Almost sorry I missed it. Almost.

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[The Ref]

7 spinoff Pats thread so far, what's the over/under by morning. I'll take the over @ 19.

Dman got suspended so I'll take the under. If he was still here I'd go as high as 24.

I just bumped the Patriots hate thread. I hope that will keep the number down

 

[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

Anyone know what the 'view' list on this thread maxed out at tonite? Man, busy night here in this one. Almost sorry I missed it. Almost.

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[PizzaDeliveryGuy]

7 spinoff Pats thread so far, what's the over/under by morning. I'll take the over @ 19.

Dman got suspended so I'll take the under. If he was still here I'd go as high as 24.

I just bumped the Patriots hate thread. I hope that will keep the number down

I have money on this,guy.

 

[Couch Potato]

I feel bad too, that all those millionaires that get to play games for a living have to go through the mental anguish of losing. Poor darlings. Lucky for me I have a crappy job that pays squat so I don't have to deal with such difficulties.

It's great isn't it. I'm with ya.

Hell yea! I was just smart assin' though. I don't resent these guys making what they're making. Someone's willing to pay it, so it what it is.

 

[Magic Man]

Yes I feel real bad that the the refs took this game away from this defense tonight. Very sad.

 

[Bill]

wow-pats have an off night and win regardless.

nothings stopping them now.

 

[(unwelcomed)GUEST]

Holy crap!!! I'm a Ravens fan and was about to post big props for the play of NE tonite in tough weather against an emotionally charged team that completely laid it out tonite (Ravens). The Pats did what they had to in order to win the game and then I see Brady in the PC. Arrogant, smug, what a Richard-head. He gave no credit to a defense that took them to the last minute of the game, wow!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I love Tom Brady, have loved him since my buddy told me there is this Michigan backup QB that is better than Drew Henson (at the time that seemed absurd, wow how times have changed). But after listening to that press conference- man, Brady is so ripe to be deflated. You just don't see a guy that cocky not take a big knock. I would hate to see it, but Brady is begging for a major disaster he will have to overcome.

And that disaster's name is James Harrison.

SILVERBACK!

 

[Green and Gold]

Holy crap!!! I'm a Ravens fan and was about to post big props for the play of NE tonite in tough weather against an emotionally charged team that completely laid it out tonite (Ravens). The Pats did what they had to in order to win the game and then I see Brady in the PC. Arrogant, smug, what a Richard-head. He gave no credit to a defense that took them to the last minute of the game, wow!

Er, you must have missed the part where he said "give credit to Baltimore, they played awesome."

 

[(unwelcomed)GUEST]

Holy crap!!! I'm a Ravens fan and was about to post big props for the play of NE tonite in tough weather against an emotionally charged team that completely laid it out tonite (Ravens). The Pats did what they had to in order to win the game and then I see Brady in the PC. Arrogant, smug, what a Richard-head. He gave no credit to a defense that took them to the last minute of the game, wow!

Er, you must have missed the part where he said "give credit to Baltimore, they played awesome."

Your right, maybe I blocked it out after I saw how he was acting. You don't think he came off as an arrogant POS?

 

[Neofight]

Brady interview is classic...said he heard the Whistle, so he stopped! LOL

I would like to hit him in the teeth with a rusty crowbar.

I give these guys credit having to deal with the media...

These guys are just doing thier jobs. Never really watched a Brady interview, but struck me as kind of a pr*ck with his answers and attitude.

There is a reason Peyton gets all the commercial deals even though Brady has all the SB wins. He's simply not a very likeable guy.

Is this the same Peyton Manning that looks like Baby Huey and sits pouting on the sidelines (nowhere near his teammates) while his kicker is missing a potentially game-winning field goal attempt? And I'm not talking about Vanderjagt 5 years ago; this was Viantieri a few weeks back. That same face that was shown on the bench during the San Diego game is the same one we see frequently when things don't go Peyton's way; that of a 5 year old that just had his candy taken from him. But yes, he does have some sweet endorsement deals.Meanwhile, Tom Brady has the looks, the talent, the girls... and most importantly the respect of and for his teammates. I doubt he'd ever pull what Peyton has repeatedly done while actually on the playing field. He may be a little grumpy after a close game when getting the same question repeated ad nauseum by multiple reporters. In all honesty though, the people he was hardest on were himself and his WR's: and he had every right to be a little frustrated with their play tonight. I'm not sure how people see him as being anything more than curt and anything less than self-critical. To answer the question, while I respect Brady, I am a Cowboys homer and Romo owner. Not everyone can have an infectious personality a la Romo or Favre, but to make the statement above implies that you actually know Brady and/or Manning and can vouch for this first hand. Perhaps the reason Manning has so many ads is because he seeks them out. Nothing like a little external validation for the tyke. He is the most overexposed player in a league full of $hameless self promoters.

 

[bostonfred]

Holy crap!!! I'm a Ravens fan and was about to post big props for the play of NE tonite in tough weather against an emotionally charged team that completely laid it out tonite (Ravens). The Pats did what they had to in order to win the game and then I see Brady in the PC. Arrogant, smug, what a Richard-head. He gave no credit to a defense that took them to the last minute of the game, wow!

Er, you must have missed the part where he said "give credit to Baltimore, they played awesome."

Your right, maybe I blocked it out after I saw how he was acting. You don't think he came off as an arrogant POS?

I think he was still hyped up about it, and had been prepped that there was blood in the water. The media wanted to talk about the calls at the end of the game, while he felt that the Pats had been robbed on some earlier calls. He led a huge comeback in a game against a defense that was playing awesome and all anyone wanted to talk about was the timeout, the refs, etc. I can understand why he wasn't in the best mood, especially after getting hit more and harder than in any other game leading up to this. I think just about everyone who watched the game will give huge props to the Ravens, though, for playing a great game. Their defense did a great job, McGahee, Ogden and Mason looked great on offense, and overall it was just a very impressive performance.

 

[eom]

I notice brady got his o-line in his ad w/him --- where's peyton's o-line in all his ads?

he's got some good ads, though -- got to give him props.

 

[twitch]

I find it a bit unfortunate that Brady leads an undefeated squad to another great 4th quarter comeback against an inspired D playing at the top of their game in the last minute of play in possibly the game of the year, and all a guy chooses to speak of his opinion of Brady's PC attitude? A POS? Are you kidding me? Man, that's just an unforunate take.

 

[titanT]

Sitting back and rushing 3 on the last drive cost them the game.

That holding call was weak as well

 

[Finless]

Hilarious how the Ravens were all calling out the refs. There were no bad calls. The touchdown call was questionable but I believe they got that question right. He had control of the ball and was just tucking it in. They blew the game. Blame the coach or whoever got that holding call. That was a good call. When you blow a game like they did you don't point fingers. They should have closed the deal.

 

[(unwelcomed)GUEST]

I find it a bit unfortunate that Brady leads an undefeated squad to another great 4th quarter comeback against an inspired D playing at the top of their game in the last minute of play in possibly the game of the year, and all a guy chooses to speak of his opinion of Brady's PC attitude? A POS? Are you kidding me? Man, that's just an unforunate take.

Did you see the press conference. I always thought Brady was one of the classiest guys in the league. Even with the questions posed I expected some sort of, "It was a tough game, we did what we needed to -- to ge the win. We expect teams to come after us but, games like this will prepare us for the playoffs." The guy was arrogant and smug like I said before. The game went their way in the end, they played a tough team with a good d that has underperformed for a large chunk of the season. Baltimore had some key guys back from injury and played a tough game. Brady just didn't come off well, that's just my opinion.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I have to agree, Brady did not come across well in that press conference, but then neither did any of the Ravens players or coaches. Clearly a tough, physical, emotional game that had both teams seeing red by the end.

 

[MSULions]

I can not believe they gave gaffney that touchdown.

oh wait, yes i can...total joke, but entirely predictable.

 

[montanagold]

The TD was a TD... but, everything up to that point sure seemed tilted in NE's favor. Too many friendly calls... frankly, felt like Ravens D got ripped by the man!

 

[montanagold]

Pathetic. I literally feel like I was robbed. Those referees should be fired. New England officially gets the win, but they should be embarrassed to accept it.

MUCH AGREED.

 

[Aaronstory]

There were no bad calls.

 

[Aaronstory]

that holding call. That was a good call.

 

[encaitar]

that holding call. That was a good call.

Homers will always defend their team. That's why they are called homers. The holding call was ticky-tack. Would've been called in many games, but given the way they let BOTH defenses play in this game it should never have been called here. You can't change how you call plays during the most important part of the game.

 

[nibbomydaets]

Brady interview is classic...said he heard the Whistle, so he stopped! LOL

I would like to hit him in the teeth with a rusty crowbar.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

That holding call was a joke. No way should a weak call like that be made with the game on the line.

I am not anti or pro Patriot (I don't care one way or the other)...and I rarely ever comment about officiating...but I think the Ravens have a legit complaint about the officiating in this game.

 

[Bonginator]

Holy crap!!! I'm a Ravens fan and was about to post big props for the play of NE tonite in tough weather against an emotionally charged team that completely laid it out tonite (Ravens). The Pats did what they had to in order to win the game and then I see Brady in the PC. Arrogant, smug, what a Richard-head. He gave no credit to a defense that took them to the last minute of the game, wow!

Er, you must have missed the part where he said "give credit to Baltimore, they played awesome."

Your right, maybe I blocked it out after I saw how he was acting. You don't think he came off as an arrogant POS?

Right, he should be more like that scumbag Bart Scott

 

[Aussie Cowboy]

Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs on officiating: "Everybody is kind of cheering for them to go undefeated and break all the records. They called them the greatest offense on earth. So who knows? ... They made one more play than us and they got a little help."

Suggs on the timeout attributed to the Ravens, which gave New England another chance on fourth down after Baltimore appeared to stop Tom Brady short on a sneak: "You only get a few times to really get the NFL's poster boy in that type of situation. I don't know. It looked like all 22 men on the field played as if no timeout was called. But if it was called, it was called. I don't get into that part of the game. I just do my job."

Suggs on officiating: "It's kind of the feeling of the 2001 tuck rule. It kind of feels like the tuck rule. That is the NFL for you, man. When they got a guy like that that is selling a lot of tickets, you want to keep him selling tickets."

Ravens linebacker Bart Scott on the timeout: "I didn't hear a timeout. That was very convenient."

Scott: "We outplayed them, plain and simple. We punched them in the mouth on both sides of the ball."

Ravens receiver Derrick Mason: "Allow the players to dictate how the game is going to go, especially the last couple of seconds. It's kind of like basketball. There's three seconds on the clock. Let the guys play. The best team is going to win. You don't let outside circumstances dictate how the game is going to go. It's hard to play against the best team in the NFL and beat them. You are out there and working hard. You are playing against them and then also you have the other guys and it seems you are playing against them, also."

More from Mason on officiating: "I'm going to take it back to last game. San Diego. Quinn Sypniewski runs down the field, runs into one of their DBs, we catch the ball and they call offensive pass interference. OK. Great. This game, same thing happens. Randy Moss runs right into Samari Rolle. They call defensive pass interference. I don't understand that. One game it's called one way, the next game it's called another way. At the end, you have a phantom call. That's why it's hard to play and win a game when you are playing against more than just the best team in the NFL."

More from Mason on how hard it is to beat the Patriots: "It's kind of like that old Bulls team when they were running the tables. You were playing against Jordan, Pippen and the bunch and it was hard to beat them because everyone was on their side. That's the way it is now. You've got Brady and the bunch. It's hard to beat them when you're playing against them and extra people."

Mason on whether the refs can get caught up in talk of an undefeated season: "I think everybody can get caught up. You should have heard some of the verbal blasts we were taking from the refs. It was just despicable. They don't want us to say anything to them, but they treat us like we're little kids out there, saying anything they want to say. As players, we can't say anything back. We can't report it to anybody because it's our word against theirs. But you have to give it up to New England. They did what they had to do. They scored at the end and that's all you can ask of a team."

Ravens cornerback Chris McAlister on whether the NFL wants the Patriots to win: "They get a lot of calls. I'll say that. We've been watching film on them all week and I mean, they do get a lot of calls. As far as the NFL wanting them to win, you can't totally not think about it in those terms."

Ravens running back Willis McGahee: "I felt like we played our hearts out tonight and got some bogus calls, but it is what it is."

McGahee on which calls bothered him the most: "Shhh. Pass interference, the holding on [Jamaine] Winborne. There was a lot. I can't even remember them all."

I'll leave you with a comment overheard from a veteran player: "You might as well crown them the Super Bowl champs if it's going to be like that."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-4-4...r-Patriots.html

 

[Brutis]

That holding call was a joke. No way should a weak call like that be made with the game on the line. I am not anti or pro Patriot (I don't care one way or the other)...and I rarely ever comment about officiating...but I think the Ravens have a legit complaint about the officiating in this game.

On the replay Watson was being held from the time he got off the line of scrimmage until he made his cut in the endzone. Not sure why people are crying over a holding penalty when it was clear he was actually being held.Worse part of the call was that the defender had safety help behind him so he didnt need to hold at all. If you want to say that the call shouldnt have been made because the Ravens were playing that way ALL game than I would agree with you. Why make that call now when you havent all game long.What I find funny is no one has said a word about the "no call" that was made against Mason at the end of the game on the hail mary pass. Im not sure what he did was actually legal.

 

[Bill Lust]

The Pats were lucky to get out of there with a win, especially considering that they were manhandled for much of the game and the multiple opportunities they were given on the last drive from the timeout and false start. If they play like this next week, they will lose. If they face the Colts or Cowboys again and play like this, they will get run off the field.

That being said, the Ravens are an absolute train wreck. It's beyong obvious that Billick has lost control of the team and will be out the door at the end of the year. From Bart Scott to any Raven finding any camera that will listen after the game to whine about the refs... get a grip.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Great game. I think that whether you're a homer or a hater, you have to admit that there was some pretty bad officiating. Happens sometime to every team, so it shouldn't be an excuse. But it was really pretty poor and it's too bad it affected a great game like that.

 

[David Yudkin]

Great game. I think that whether you're a homer or a hater, you have to admit that there was some pretty bad officiating. Happens sometime to every team, so it shouldn't be an excuse. But it was really pretty poor and it's too bad it affected a great game like that.

I watched the whole game, and I'm curious with specificty as to which plays you feel were poorly officiated.IMO, the flag was thrown for holding on Watson because the defender locked up Watson for several seconds. If the defender released him after a secord that play would not have been called, but he stayed on him for several steps and a cut into the middle of the field.The results of the "timeout" play were irrelevant once the whistle blew (rightly or wrongly) and a timeout was granted and that play could just have easily hurt the Patriots if they broke off a big play (or at the very least had gotten the first down). The proceeding play was clearly a false start, so I can't see where there would be a beef there.The only real debatable play in my book was the Gaffney TD and there was not a lot of irrefutable evidence to overturn the play. Even if that play is overturned, the Pats would have had the ball 1st and goal at the 1 yard line with 44 seconds to go and 2 timeouts left after the penalties. Given that the ref was shielded by Gaffney's body, I don't see how he could have come to any other conclusion other than it was a TD.Am I missing any other attrocities?

 

[meanjoegreen]

Am I missing any other attrocities?

Yes, the fact you are wearing homer glasses, and you are not objective at all.

 

[twitch]

I find it a bit unfortunate that Brady leads an undefeated squad to another great 4th quarter comeback against an inspired D playing at the top of their game in the last minute of play in possibly the game of the year, and all a guy chooses to speak of his opinion of Brady's PC attitude? A POS? Are you kidding me? Man, that's just an unforunate take.

Did you see the press conference. I always thought Brady was one of the classiest guys in the league. Even with the questions posed I expected some sort of, "It was a tough game, we did what we needed to -- to ge the win. We expect teams to come after us but, games like this will prepare us for the playoffs." The guy was arrogant and smug like I said before. The game went their way in the end, they played a tough team with a good d that has underperformed for a large chunk of the season. Baltimore had some key guys back from injury and played a tough game. Brady just didn't come off well, that's just my opinion.

I saw the PC. And I understand your thinking his comments were smug. But I didnt see it as arrogant. But Im not looking at it that critically, nor nor am I real worried about his attitude there. I think he was being frank. And Brady typically ALWAYS praises his opponents as much as any player youll hear coming into a game or after one. He gave the Ravens some credit with some of his remarks. Cmon, though. POS? Is that the right thing to say? Obviously, people dont always say the right things or act the right way. That's the point. But we dont need to call guys POS for what they say or how they come off after such an emotional game in a PC. Look at how all those Baltimore players handled all of that. Absolutely horribly. But as expected, so Im not hammering those guys either. Noone is perfect, obviously. Not us, not them, not anyone.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs on officiating: "Everybody is kind of cheering for them to go undefeated and break all the records. They called them the greatest offense on earth. So who knows? ... They made one more play than us and they got a little help."

Suggs on the timeout attributed to the Ravens, which gave New England another chance on fourth down after Baltimore appeared to stop Tom Brady short on a sneak: "You only get a few times to really get the NFL's poster boy in that type of situation. I don't know. It looked like all 22 men on the field played as if no timeout was called. But if it was called, it was called. I don't get into that part of the game. I just do my job."

Suggs on officiating: "It's kind of the feeling of the 2001 tuck rule. It kind of feels like the tuck rule. That is the NFL for you, man. When they got a guy like that that is selling a lot of tickets, you want to keep him selling tickets."

Ravens linebacker Bart Scott on the timeout: "I didn't hear a timeout. That was very convenient."

Scott: "We outplayed them, plain and simple. We punched them in the mouth on both sides of the ball."

Ravens receiver Derrick Mason: "Allow the players to dictate how the game is going to go, especially the last couple of seconds. It's kind of like basketball. There's three seconds on the clock. Let the guys play. The best team is going to win. You don't let outside circumstances dictate how the game is going to go. It's hard to play against the best team in the NFL and beat them. You are out there and working hard. You are playing against them and then also you have the other guys and it seems you are playing against them, also."

More from Mason on officiating: "I'm going to take it back to last game. San Diego. Quinn Sypniewski runs down the field, runs into one of their DBs, we catch the ball and they call offensive pass interference. OK. Great. This game, same thing happens. Randy Moss runs right into Samari Rolle. They call defensive pass interference. I don't understand that. One game it's called one way, the next game it's called another way. At the end, you have a phantom call. That's why it's hard to play and win a game when you are playing against more than just the best team in the NFL."

More from Mason on how hard it is to beat the Patriots: "It's kind of like that old Bulls team when they were running the tables. You were playing against Jordan, Pippen and the bunch and it was hard to beat them because everyone was on their side. That's the way it is now. You've got Brady and the bunch. It's hard to beat them when you're playing against them and extra people."

Mason on whether the refs can get caught up in talk of an undefeated season: "I think everybody can get caught up. You should have heard some of the verbal blasts we were taking from the refs. It was just despicable. They don't want us to say anything to them, but they treat us like we're little kids out there, saying anything they want to say. As players, we can't say anything back. We can't report it to anybody because it's our word against theirs. But you have to give it up to New England. They did what they had to do. They scored at the end and that's all you can ask of a team."

Ravens cornerback Chris McAlister on whether the NFL wants the Patriots to win: "They get a lot of calls. I'll say that. We've been watching film on them all week and I mean, they do get a lot of calls. As far as the NFL wanting them to win, you can't totally not think about it in those terms."

Ravens running back Willis McGahee: "I felt like we played our hearts out tonight and got some bogus calls, but it is what it is."

McGahee on which calls bothered him the most: "Shhh. Pass interference, the holding on [Jamaine] Winborne. There was a lot. I can't even remember them all."

I'll leave you with a comment overheard from a veteran player: "You might as well crown them the Super Bowl champs if it's going to be like that."

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/hashmarks/0-4-4...r-Patriots.html

What did Ray Lewis say about the game, if anything? Just curious for his take...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Wilcox really nonchalanted that second foot down...Moved it back unnecessarily a good 2 feet and almost brought it down on the back line...

I'm not convinced he got that second foot down. He hopped twice on his right foot and placed the left down really near the line. We never got a good shot of it in replay, but I'm not sure it was inbounds. It didn't look like the back judge was even looking at his foot, just at whether or not he had control.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Great game. I think that whether you're a homer or a hater, you have to admit that there was some pretty bad officiating. Happens sometime to every team, so it shouldn't be an excuse. But it was really pretty poor and it's too bad it affected a great game like that.

I watched the whole game, and I'm curious with specificty as to which plays you feel were poorly officiated.IMO, the flag was thrown for holding on Watson because the defender locked up Watson for several seconds. If the defender released him after a secord that play would not have been called, but he stayed on him for several steps and a cut into the middle of the field.The results of the "timeout" play were irrelevant once the whistle blew (rightly or wrongly) and a timeout was granted and that play could just have easily hurt the Patriots if they broke off a big play (or at the very least had gotten the first down). The proceeding play was clearly a false start, so I can't see where there would be a beef there.The only real debatable play in my book was the Gaffney TD and there was not a lot of irrefutable evidence to overturn the play. Even if that play is overturned, the Pats would have had the ball 1st and goal at the 1 yard line with 44 seconds to go and 2 timeouts left after the penalties. Given that the ref was shielded by Gaffney's body, I don't see how he could have come to any other conclusion other than it was a TD.Am I missing any other attrocities?

I think the holding was a pretty ticky tack call. That would not get called as many times as it would. I don't think it affected the play. As for the timeout, again, it was called against the rules. Notice I said above that I didn't say it was an excuse for Baltimore at all and it certainly could have been a TD. But an official allowing an Asst to call a TO is against the rules and bad officiating. That was not a TD catch. I think my biggest beef with replay is that officials now use it as a crutch and they don't make the correct, tough calls anymore. They make the calls that are easiest and figure that replay will correct them if needed. The problem is that the replay official is giving deference to the game official with the indisputable evidence guideline. Not just in this game and this play. All season. Either officials need to man up and make the tough call on the field (like on QB fumbles or incomplete passes where they often just keep letting the play go) or the replay official needs to be able to "interpret" the play and not have absolute iron clad evidence to overturn a call. Your use of the word "attrocities" gives a lot of insight into your character. You're better than that.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Bart Scott-ochet: "We punched them in the mouth on both sides of the ball."

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As for the timeout, again, it was called against the rules. Notice I said above that I didn't say it was an excuse for Baltimore at all and it certainly could have been a TD. But an official allowing an Asst to call a TO is against the rules and bad officiating.

No, it's bad coaching. If Rex Ryan can't call a timeout, then he should know he can't call it. Is the ref supposed to turn and look to see who is making the call for a TO, right before the snap, to see if he should listen? That's more like Baltimore cheating if you ask me.If someone attempts to call a timeout that isn't allowed to do so, it should be an unsportsman like penalty.

That was not a TD catch. I think my biggest beef with replay is that officials now use it as a crutch and they don't make the correct, tough calls anymore. They make the calls that are easiest and figure that replay will correct them if needed. The problem is that the replay official is giving deference to the game official with the indisputable evidence guideline. Not just in this game and this play. All season. Either officials need to man up and make the tough call on the field (like on QB fumbles or incomplete passes where they often just keep letting the play go) or the replay official needs to be able to "interpret" the play and not have absolute iron clad evidence to overturn a call.

Your use of the word "attrocities" gives a lot of insight into your character. You're better than that.

It was a catch.

 

[Colin Dowling]

The Pats aren't going undefeated. The "beat the Pats" playbook is becoming more clear. It may be the Giants, maybe the Steelers, maybe someone in the playoffs, but I don't think they're going undefeated. They've gone from waxing teams to needing fourth quarter comebacks to needing last-drive combacks and stops. It's only a matter of time.

- Run the ball up the middle.

- Pass the ball across the middle.

- Show blitzes from all kinds of goofy angles.

- Don't let a guy who can't legally call timeouts call a timeout on 4th and 1 late in the 4th quarter.

Etc., etc., etc.

 

[porkins]

Great game. I think that whether you're a homer or a hater, you have to admit that there was some pretty bad officiating. Happens sometime to every team, so it shouldn't be an excuse. But it was really pretty poor and it's too bad it affected a great game like that.

I watched the whole game, and I'm curious with specificty as to which plays you feel were poorly officiated.IMO, the flag was thrown for holding on Watson because the defender locked up Watson for several seconds. If the defender released him after a secord that play would not have been called, but he stayed on him for several steps and a cut into the middle of the field.The results of the "timeout" play were irrelevant once the whistle blew (rightly or wrongly) and a timeout was granted and that play could just have easily hurt the Patriots if they broke off a big play (or at the very least had gotten the first down). The proceeding play was clearly a false start, so I can't see where there would be a beef there.The only real debatable play in my book was the Gaffney TD and there was not a lot of irrefutable evidence to overturn the play. Even if that play is overturned, the Pats would have had the ball 1st and goal at the 1 yard line with 44 seconds to go and 2 timeouts left after the penalties. Given that the ref was shielded by Gaffney's body, I don't see how he could have come to any other conclusion other than it was a TD.Am I missing any other attrocities?

I think the holding was a pretty ticky tack call. That would not get called as many times as it would. I don't think it affected the play.

The defender held Watson the whole time. The pass went over his head because Watson was hunched over from being held. The hold affected the play.

As for the timeout, again, it was called against the rules. Notice I said above that I didn't say it was an excuse for Baltimore at all and it certainly could have been a TD. But an official allowing an Asst to call a TO is against the rules and bad officiating.

No, it never should have been called, but it was. You can't fault NE for that. They shouwed the re-play. The official was looking down the line of scrimage and the AC called To in his ear. Not wanting to screw Balt. over, he called TO. If he had looked and didn't blow it dead before the ball was snaped, he could have missed it. Blame all the other coaches across the league for calling last second Timeouts. The refs are just getting used to that tactic.

That was not a TD catch. I think my biggest beef with replay is that officials now use it as a crutch and they don't make the correct, tough calls anymore. They make the calls that are easiest and figure that replay will correct them if needed. The problem is that the replay official is giving deference to the game official with the indisputable evidence guideline. Not just in this game and this play. All season. Either officials need to man up and make the tough call on the field (like on QB fumbles or incomplete passes where they often just keep letting the play go) or the replay official needs to be able to "interpret" the play and not have absolute iron clad evidence to overturn a call. Your use of the word "attrocities" gives a lot of insight into your character. You're better than that.

That was absolutely a acatch. He had 2 feet in and mantained controll. He can move the ball in his hand and still have controll. He was attempting to tuck the ball into his elbow. He really didn't even need to do it. There was no point where he didn't have controll of the ball. In fact, he didn't even move it till he was alredy out of bounds.

 

[Brutis]

Great game. I think that whether you're a homer or a hater, you have to admit that there was some pretty bad officiating. Happens sometime to every team, so it shouldn't be an excuse. But it was really pretty poor and it's too bad it affected a great game like that.

I watched the whole game, and I'm curious with specificty as to which plays you feel were poorly officiated.IMO, the flag was thrown for holding on Watson because the defender locked up Watson for several seconds. If the defender released him after a secord that play would not have been called, but he stayed on him for several steps and a cut into the middle of the field.The results of the "timeout" play were irrelevant once the whistle blew (rightly or wrongly) and a timeout was granted and that play could just have easily hurt the Patriots if they broke off a big play (or at the very least had gotten the first down). The proceeding play was clearly a false start, so I can't see where there would be a beef there.The only real debatable play in my book was the Gaffney TD and there was not a lot of irrefutable evidence to overturn the play. Even if that play is overturned, the Pats would have had the ball 1st and goal at the 1 yard line with 44 seconds to go and 2 timeouts left after the penalties. Given that the ref was shielded by Gaffney's body, I don't see how he could have come to any other conclusion other than it was a TD.Am I missing any other attrocities?

I think the holding was a pretty ticky tack call. That would not get called as many times as it would. I don't think it affected the play.

It doesnt matter if it affected the play. If you play defense you STILL arent allowed to run a pattern with a handful of jersey the entire way which is what the ravens defender did. I dont know how many times i've seen a holding penalty from an O Lineman that didnt affect the outcome of the run or a holding penalty from a DB who didnt even have the ball thrown to his side of the field and it get called. Its football, it happens.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

As for the timeout, again, it was called against the rules. Notice I said above that I didn't say it was an excuse for Baltimore at all and it certainly could have been a TD. But an official allowing an Asst to call a TO is against the rules and bad officiating.

No, it's bad coaching. If Rex Ryan can't call a timeout, then he should know he can't call it. Is the ref supposed to turn and look to see who is making the call for a TO, right before the snap, to see if he should listen? That's more like Baltimore cheating if you ask me.If someone attempts to call a timeout that isn't allowed to do so, it should be an unsportsman like penalty.

That was not a TD catch. I think my biggest beef with replay is that officials now use it as a crutch and they don't make the correct, tough calls anymore. They make the calls that are easiest and figure that replay will correct them if needed. The problem is that the replay official is giving deference to the game official with the indisputable evidence guideline. Not just in this game and this play. All season. Either officials need to man up and make the tough call on the field (like on QB fumbles or incomplete passes where they often just keep letting the play go) or the replay official needs to be able to "interpret" the play and not have absolute iron clad evidence to overturn a call.

Your use of the word "attrocities" gives a lot of insight into your character. You're better than that.

It was a catch.

I disagree with both of your opinions. And control is not having the ball just sitting on your hands. That's laughable.

 

[Colin Dowling]

That was absolutely a acatch. He had 2 feet in and mantained controll. He can move the ball in his hand and still have controll. He was attempting to tuck the ball into his elbow. He really didn't even need to do it. There was no point where he didn't have controll of the ball. In fact, he didn't even move it till he was alredy out of bounds.

 

[Road Warriors]

I think the holding was a pretty ticky tack call. That would not get called as many times as it would. I don't think it affected the play.

As for the timeout, again, it was called against the rules. Notice I said above that I didn't say it was an excuse for Baltimore at all and it certainly could have been a TD. But an official allowing an Asst to call a TO is against the rules and bad officiating.

That was not a TD catch. I think my biggest beef with replay is that officials now use it as a crutch and they don't make the correct, tough calls anymore. They make the calls that are easiest and figure that replay will correct them if needed. The problem is that the replay official is giving deference to the game official with the indisputable evidence guideline. Not just in this game and this play. All season. Either officials need to man up and make the tough call on the field (like on QB fumbles or incomplete passes where they often just keep letting the play go) or the replay official needs to be able to "interpret" the play and not have absolute iron clad evidence to overturn a call.

Your use of the word "attrocities" gives a lot of insight into your character. You're better than that.

I would guess when the primary target on a passing play is held from the LOS to his cut that the hold impacts the play.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

I think the holding was a pretty ticky tack call. That would not get called as many times as it would. I don't think it affected the play.

As for the timeout, again, it was called against the rules. Notice I said above that I didn't say it was an excuse for Baltimore at all and it certainly could have been a TD. But an official allowing an Asst to call a TO is against the rules and bad officiating.

That was not a TD catch. I think my biggest beef with replay is that officials now use it as a crutch and they don't make the correct, tough calls anymore. They make the calls that are easiest and figure that replay will correct them if needed. The problem is that the replay official is giving deference to the game official with the indisputable evidence guideline. Not just in this game and this play. All season. Either officials need to man up and make the tough call on the field (like on QB fumbles or incomplete passes where they often just keep letting the play go) or the replay official needs to be able to "interpret" the play and not have absolute iron clad evidence to overturn a call.

Your use of the word "attrocities" gives a lot of insight into your character. You're better than that.

I would guess when the primary target on a passing play is held from the LOS to his cut that the hold impacts the play.

Possibly. Again, I don't think there would have been a huge uproar if it wasn't called. But I just can't get how people think the TD was a catch. Saying that the ball sitting on someone's open hand is control opens up a Pandora's Box in my opinion.

 

[porkins]

That was absolutely a acatch. He had 2 feet in and mantained controll. He can move the ball in his hand and still have controll. He was attempting to tuck the ball into his elbow. He really didn't even need to do it. There was no point where he didn't have controll of the ball. In fact, he didn't even move it till he was alredy out of bounds.

How so?

 

[Ghost Rider]

As lucky as the Patriots were, I do not think the false start on 4th and 1 was lucky. If you go back and watch the replay, the offensive lineman pulling out early is why the defender was able to get through the gap and stuff Evans for the loss before the play was whistled dead. If he doesn't false start, that gap isn't there, and who knows what would have happen.

 

[Road Warriors]

I think the holding was a pretty ticky tack call. That would not get called as many times as it would. I don't think it affected the play.

As for the timeout, again, it was called against the rules. Notice I said above that I didn't say it was an excuse for Baltimore at all and it certainly could have been a TD. But an official allowing an Asst to call a TO is against the rules and bad officiating.

That was not a TD catch. I think my biggest beef with replay is that officials now use it as a crutch and they don't make the correct, tough calls anymore. They make the calls that are easiest and figure that replay will correct them if needed. The problem is that the replay official is giving deference to the game official with the indisputable evidence guideline. Not just in this game and this play. All season. Either officials need to man up and make the tough call on the field (like on QB fumbles or incomplete passes where they often just keep letting the play go) or the replay official needs to be able to "interpret" the play and not have absolute iron clad evidence to overturn a call.

Your use of the word "attrocities" gives a lot of insight into your character. You're better than that.

I would guess when the primary target on a passing play is held from the LOS to his cut that the hold impacts the play.

Possibly. Again, I don't think there would have been a huge uproar if it wasn't called. But I just can't get how people think the TD was a catch. Saying that the ball sitting on someone's open hand is control opens up a Pandora's Box in my opinion.

There would have been a huge uproar from the Pats homers( disclosure: Pats homer) if that wasn't called, IMO.I was sitting on the couch watching that replay and fully expected it to be overturned. I don't know that I fully understand what "control" means in the ruling. He clearly wasn't juggling the ball ( like moss was earlier in the game ), but he didn't have it secured either in his hands or tucked to the body. He appeared to be moving the ball to a tucked position. The ball definitely was moving, but at no time was there any risk that he drops it. I would have been OK with an overturn, but I can see not overturning it also. The control out of bounds rules are there for the juggling catch, and this didn't fit that bill. It was just an odd case.