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UPDATED DRAFT ORDER (1 Viewer)

David Yudkin

Footballguy
HERE is a current draft order for NFL. The site updates automatically, but here's the current rankings through Week 15.

1 Houston 2 12 0 .143 .546

2 San Francisco 2 12 0 .143 .587

3 Green Bay 3 11 0 .214 .510

4 N.Y. Jets 3 11 0 .214 .531

5 New Orleans 3 11 0 .214 .531

6 Arizona 4 10 0 .286 .480

7 Tennessee 4 10 0 .286 .495

8 Buffalo 4 10 0 .286 .505

9 Oakland 4 10 0 .286 .505

10 Detroit 4 10 0 .286 .520

11 St. Louis 5 9 0 .357 .500

12 Cleveland 5 9 0 .357 .515

13 Baltimore 5 9 0 .357 .536

14 Philadelphia 6 8 0 .429 .541

15 Miami 7 7 0 .500 .459

16 Atlanta 8 6 0 .571 .464

17 Minnesota 8 6 0 .571 .480

18 Kansas City 8 6 0 .571 .490

19 Dallas 8 6 0 .571 .520

20 Washington 8 6 0 .571 .541

21 Tampa Bay 9 5 0 .643 .454

22 New England 9 5 0 .643 .520

23 San Diego 9 5 0 .643 .531

24 Pittsburgh 9 5 0 .643 .536

25 Carolina 10 4 0 .714 .429

26 Chicago 10 4 0 .714 .454

27 N.Y. Giants 10 4 0 .714 .500

28 Jacksonville 10 4 0 .714 .505

29 Cincinnati 11 3 0 .786 .469

30 Denver 11 3 0 .786 .505

31 Seattle 12 2 0 .857 .398

32 Indianapolis 13 1 0 .929 .444

Note that the playoff teams will change the rankings based on how far they get.

 

Deranged Hermit

Not cool & Pissed
Pretty interesting that GB looks to have the number 2 spot sewn up as long as they go winless these last two weeks since SF and HOU play each other.

 

ZJilla

Footballguy
Pretty interesting that GB looks to have the number 2 spot sewn up as long as they go winless these last two weeks since SF and HOU play each other.
why would they move up? tie breaker?
 

Keys Myaths

Pokerguy
Pretty interesting that GB looks to have the number 2 spot sewn up as long as they go winless these last two weeks since SF and HOU play each other.
why would they move up? tie breaker?
Because Houston or SF will have the same record as them...and the tiebreaker is worst schedule, which is shown as a percentage on the right.
 

David Yudkin

Footballguy
Pretty interesting that GB looks to have the number 2 spot sewn up as long as they go winless these last two weeks since SF and HOU play each other.
With games against Chicago and Seattle, GB's SOS will only get better--so their ranking may go DOWN. If they stay tied recordwise with NYJ and NOS, they may very well drop to 4th or 5th (depending on who wins the HOU/SF game).
 

ZJilla

Footballguy
Pretty interesting that GB looks to have the number 2 spot sewn up as long as they go winless these last two weeks since SF and HOU play each other.
why would they move up? tie breaker?
Because Houston or SF will have the same record as them...and the tiebreaker is worst schedule, which is shown as a percentage on the right.
that still only has them tie for 2nd, not alone with the "number 2 spot sewn up"
 

faede

Footballguy
GBNreports's SoS is more accurate in my opinion.It uses the SoS from the entire 16 game season. CBS does not.They have....1 Houston 2-12 .531 2 San Francisco 2-12 .545 3 New York Jets 3-11 .522 4 New Orleans 3-11 .522 5 Green Bay 3-11 545 6T Arizona 4-10 504 6T Buffalo 4-10 504 8T Tennessee 4-10 509 8T Detroit 4-10 509 10 Oakland 4-10 536 11 St. Louis 5-9 .482 12 Cleveland 5-9 .51313 Baltimore 5-9 .527 14 Philadelphia 6-8 .527 15 Miami 7-7 .460 16 Minnesota 8-6 .487 17 Atlanta 8-6 .491 18 Kansas City 8-6 .518 19 Dallas 8-6 .52220 Denver (from Washington) 8-6 .505 21 Tampa Bay 9-5 .446 22 New England 9-5 .500 23 Pittsburgh 9-5 .509 24 San Diego 9-5 549 25 Carolina 10-4 .446 26T Chicago 10-4 .446 26T Jacksonville 10-4 .469 28 New York Giants 10-4 .491 29 Cincinnati 11-3 .464 30 Denver 11-3 .500 31 Seattle 12-2 .420 32 Indianapolis 13-1 .460

 
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Deranged Hermit

Not cool & Pissed
Pretty interesting that GB looks to have the number 2 spot sewn up as long as they go winless these last two weeks since SF and HOU play each other.
With games against Chicago and Seattle, GB's SOS will only get better--so their ranking may go DOWN. If they stay tied recordwise with NYJ and NOS, they may very well drop to 4th or 5th (depending on who wins the HOU/SF game).
Oops, thought they played CHI and DET for some reason. :loco:
 

el centro

Footballguy
Are there any traded picks involved yet? If memory serves - WAS traded their #1 in the Campbell deal. Not sure of any others.

 

tommyGunZ

Footballguy
Which of these teams will play the "Brees/Rivers Instant Win Game!" and offer their pick to the Bolts for a QB?

1 Houston 2 12 0 .143 .546

2 San Francisco 2 12 0 .143 .587

3 Green Bay 3 11 0 .214 .510

4 N.Y. Jets 3 11 0 .214 .531

5 New Orleans 3 11 0 .214 .531

6 Arizona 4 10 0 .286 .480

7 Tennessee 4 10 0 .286 .495

8 Buffalo 4 10 0 .286 .505

9 Oakland 4 10 0 .286 .505

10 Detroit 4 10 0 .286 .520
I'm guessing all of the bolded teams would give up their 1st rounder + more for either Brees or Rivers.Thoughts?

 

Bri

Footballguy
Are there any traded picks involved yet? If memory serves - WAS traded their #1 in the Campbell deal. Not sure of any others.
Yep, I believe the Broncos have two
 

Bri

Footballguy
Which of these teams will play the "Brees/Rivers Instant Win Game!" and offer their pick to the Bolts for a QB?

1 Houston 2 12 0 .143 .546

2 San Francisco 2 12 0 .143 .587

3 Green Bay 3 11 0 .214 .510

4 N.Y. Jets 3 11 0 .214 .531

5 New Orleans 3 11 0 .214 .531

6 Arizona 4 10 0 .286 .480

7 Tennessee 4 10 0 .286 .495

8 Buffalo 4 10 0 .286 .505

9 Oakland 4 10 0 .286 .505

10 Detroit 4 10 0 .286 .520
I'm guessing all of the bolded teams would give up their 1st rounder + more for either Brees or Rivers.Thoughts?
none of them.For more thoughts, see any of numerous threads here

 

millerarm

Footballguy
Can someone please explain why the Texans currently are ahead of the 49ers for 1st pick? The Niners have a harder sched according the SOS ... Yes, I am a Niner fan :bag:

 

MrPack

reformed delinquent
Which of these teams will play the "Brees/Rivers Instant Win Game!" and offer their pick to the Bolts for a QB?

1 Houston 2 12 0 .143 .546

2 San Francisco 2 12 0 .143 .587

3 Green Bay 3 11 0 .214 .510

4 N.Y. Jets 3 11 0 .214 .531

5 New Orleans 3 11 0 .214 .531

6 Arizona 4 10 0 .286 .480

7 Tennessee 4 10 0 .286 .495

8 Buffalo 4 10 0 .286 .505

9 Oakland 4 10 0 .286 .505

10 Detroit 4 10 0 .286 .520
I'm guessing all of the bolded teams would give up their 1st rounder + more for either Brees or Rivers.Thoughts?
If the Packers end up around 5 or so, don't be surprised if they make SD an offer.
 

MrPack

reformed delinquent
Can someone please explain why the Texans currently are ahead of the 49ers for 1st pick? The Niners have a harder sched according the SOS ...

Yes, I am a Niner fan :bag:
Exactly. When you suck, you are really sucking if you play a weaker schedule.
 

derek19

Footballguy
Can someone please explain why the Texans currently are ahead of the 49ers for 1st pick? The Niners have a harder sched according the SOS ...

Yes, I am a Niner fan :bag:
Exactly. When you suck, you are really sucking if you play a weaker schedule.
But i'm betting the niners lose the rest of the year and also vs the texans the last game of the season. I'm also a niner fan...... REGGIE :D

 

Chaos Commish

Footballguy
Are there any traded picks involved yet? If memory serves - WAS traded their #1 in the Campbell deal. Not sure of any others.
I think this is complete:Denver has a first rounder from Washington

Denver has a fourth rounder from Washington

New England has a third rounder from Baltimore

New England has a fourth rounder from Detroit

New England has a fifth rounder from Oakland

Houston has a third rounder from New Orleans

Buffalo has a third rounder from Tennessee

Philadelphia has a fourth rounder from Dallas

Philadelphia has a fourth rounder from Indianapolis

Miami has forfieted it's 5th for using a supplemental pick

Miami has a 7th from Green Bay

Miami has a 7th from Chicago

Miami has a condtional 7th from New Orleans

Dallas has a sixth rounder from Philadelphia

Dallas has a conditional pick from Tampa Bay

San Diego has a sixth from Miami

San Diego has a sixth from Minnesota

San Francisco has a conditional from Tampa Bay

San Francisco has a 7th from Jacksonville

Carolina has a 7th from Denver

Oakland has a conditional pick from Dallas

NY Jets have a conditional pick from Detroit

Cleveland has an undisclosed pick from New England

Chicago has an undisclosed pick from Seattle

 

packersfan

Footballguy
Which of these teams will play the "Brees/Rivers Instant Win Game!" and offer their pick to the Bolts for a QB?

1 Houston 2 12 0 .143 .546

2 San Francisco 2 12 0 .143 .587

3 Green Bay 3 11 0 .214 .510

4 N.Y. Jets 3 11 0 .214 .531

5 New Orleans 3 11 0 .214 .531

6 Arizona 4 10 0 .286 .480

7 Tennessee 4 10 0 .286 .495

8 Buffalo 4 10 0 .286 .505

9 Oakland 4 10 0 .286 .505

10 Detroit 4 10 0 .286 .520
I'm guessing all of the bolded teams would give up their 1st rounder + more for either Brees or Rivers.Thoughts?
If the Packers end up around 5 or so, don't be surprised if they make SD an offer.
The Packers won't trade their first-round pick for a QB. They have far too many other pressing needs. And the Chargers will trade Rivers before Brees. Brees is their guy; Rivers is the one they need to move before his trade value declines greatly. Sorry Tommy.

 

Chaos Commish

Footballguy
Updated

1. Houston

2. New Orleans

3. San Francisco

New Orleans is set up perfect to take Leinart with no trading needed. Tennessee is in a position to make a nice move with another loss.

 

Pnishthm

Footballguy
Updated

1. Houston

2. New Orleans

3. San Francisco

New Orleans is set up perfect to take Leinart with no trading needed. Tennessee is in a position to make a nice move with another loss.
What if Houston beats SF next week? Could this leave the Saints with the #1 pick? If so, what then? Trade down slightly so then can get extra picks and still take Leinart?
 

Chaos Commish

Footballguy
Updated

1. Houston

2. New Orleans

3. San Francisco

New Orleans is set up perfect to take Leinart with no trading needed. Tennessee is in a position to make a nice move with another loss.
What if Houston beats SF next week? Could this leave the Saints with the #1 pick? If so, what then? Trade down slightly so then can get extra picks and still take Leinart?
I'm not sure. At a quick glance. NO (.509) plays TB, so their SoS goes up. San Fran's (.571) and Houston's (.554) obviously will go down. Houston stays ahead of SF win or lose (more than likely). Green Bay (.505) could also lose twice but their SoS will go "way" up with games against Chicago and Seattle.

These teams' entire schedules' performance in week 17 gets factored into the final SoS. With 15 weeks in the books, there shouldn't be too much movement, and that suggests that NO does have a shot at #1, I think.

 

Jiggyonthehut

Footballguy
Updated

1. Houston

2. New Orleans

3. San Francisco

New Orleans is set up perfect to take Leinart with no trading needed. Tennessee is in a position to make a nice move with another loss.
What if Houston beats SF next week? Could this leave the Saints with the #1 pick? If so, what then? Trade down slightly so then can get extra picks and still take Leinart?
Nope. I think Houston will still have a greater SOS. Even if not, it just means Lienart will be going #1 instead of Reggie. New Orleans wont take any chances and risk getting screwed unless they agree to trade for the #2 with San Fran/Houston + cash or a late late late rounder.
 

Chaos Commish

Footballguy
Updated

1. Houston

2. New Orleans

3. San Francisco

New Orleans is set up perfect to take Leinart with no trading needed. Tennessee is in a position to make a nice move with another loss.
What if Houston beats SF next week? Could this leave the Saints with the #1 pick? If so, what then? Trade down slightly so then can get extra picks and still take Leinart?
Nope. I think Houston will still have a greater SOS. Even if not, it just means Lienart will be going #1 instead of Reggie. New Orleans wont take any chances and risk getting screwed unless they agree to trade for the #2 with San Fran/Houston + cash or a late late late rounder.
Priority goes to the team with the lesser SoS. If, as he asked, Houston wins and NO loses, I think NO has a very good shot at the lesser SoS, thus the #1 pick. NO's SoS is .509. TB's record isn't so good that it would move NO much. Houston, win or lose, looks for a drop in SoS, but lower than NO's? I doubt it. I have predicted Leinart will go #1 despite all the Reggie hype. This scenario would make that prediction a little more likely. Either way, I agree, NO is in the driver's seat for Leinart.

 

RandyDB

Footballguy
There is a real possibility that we could have 5 teams end their season at a 3-13 markN.Y. Jets 3-11 -- New England & BuffaloHouston 2-13 -- @ San FranciscoGreen Bay 3-11 -- Chicago & SeattleNew Orleans 3-12 -- @ Tampa BaySan Francisco 3-12 -- @Houston

 

GregR_2

Footballguy
The CBS link people keep pointing to doesn't include the SOS for games that haven't been played yet, so it's kind of misleading (as others have pointed out). The GBN one is better as it has the SOS for all opponents including those who haven't been played yet. But it hasn't updated yet, so I stuck the standings into an excel spreadsheet I made a couple weeks ago to calculate this stuff. Current SOS (including records of week 17 opponents) as of Sunday morning:Houston 2-12 .531New Orleans 3-13 .519NY Jets 3-12 .527GB Packers 3-12 .540San Francisco 3-13 .544Here's what it will look like if: Packers lose, Jets lose, Balltimore wins:Houston 2-12 .533New Orleans 3-13 .517NY Jets 3-12 .533GB Packers 3-12 .542San Francisco 3-13 .546Here's if Packers lose, Jets lose, Minny wins:Houston 2-12 .529New Orleans 3-13 .521NY Jets 3-12 .529GB Packers 3-12 .546San Francisco 3-13 .546A Baltimore win hurts the tiebreak of Houston and the Jets and helps the Saints and Packers tiebreak. Minny win does the opposite.A GB win would remove them from the hunt and would hurt the tiebreak of the Jets and Saints, and help the 49ers.A Jets win would remove them from the hunt and wouldn't affect any of the other team.So anyway... if the Pack and Jets both lose to 'stay in the hunt', the only teams that could be moving from this week's remaining games would be the Packers and 49ers, who could end up tied based on SOS. Not sure what the next tiebreak is.

 
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Rovers

Footballguy
The CBS link people keep pointing to doesn't include the SOS for games that haven't been played yet, so it's kind of misleading (as others have pointed out). The GBN one is better as it has the SOS for all opponents including those who haven't been played yet. But it hasn't updated yet, so I stuck the standings into an excel spreadsheet I made a couple weeks ago to calculate this stuff. Current SOS (including records of week 17 opponents) as of Sunday morning:

Houston 2-12 .531

New Orleans 3-13 .519

NY Jets 3-12 .527

GB Packers 3-12 .540

San Francisco 3-13 .544

Here's what it will look like if: Packers lose, Jets lose, Balltimore wins:

Houston 2-12 .533

New Orleans 3-13 .517

NY Jets 3-12 .533

GB Packers 3-12 .542

San Francisco 3-13 .546

Here's if Packers lose, Jets lose, Minny wins:

Houston 2-12 .529

New Orleans 3-13 .521

NY Jets 3-12 .529

GB Packers 3-12 .546

San Francisco 3-13 .546

A Baltimore win hurts the tiebreak of Houston and the Jets and helps the Saints and Packers tiebreak. Minny win does the opposite.

A GB win would remove them from the hunt and would hurt the tiebreak of the Jets and Saints, and help the 49ers.

A Jets win would remove them from the hunt and wouldn't affect any of the other team.

So anyway... if the Pack and Jets both lose to 'stay in the hunt', the only teams that could be moving from this week's remaining games would be the Packers and 49ers, who could end up tied based on SOS. Not sure what the next tiebreak is.
GregR, great info! I hope you don't mind if I paste this at a Jets forum.... I''l credit you and FFG.
 

faede

Footballguy
The CBS link people keep pointing to doesn't include the SOS for games that haven't been played yet, so it's kind of misleading (as others have pointed out).  The GBN one is better as it has the SOS for all opponents including those who haven't been played yet.  But it hasn't updated yet, so I stuck the standings into an excel spreadsheet I made a couple weeks ago to calculate this stuff.  Current SOS (including records of week 17 opponents) as of Sunday morning:

Houston 2-12  .531

New Orleans 3-13  .519

NY Jets 3-12 .527

GB Packers 3-12 .540

San Francisco 3-13 .544

Here's what it will look like if:  Packers lose, Jets lose, Balltimore wins:

Houston 2-12  .533

New Orleans 3-13  .517

NY Jets 3-12 .533

GB Packers 3-12 .542

San Francisco 3-13 .546

Here's if Packers lose, Jets lose, Minny wins:

Houston 2-12  .529

New Orleans 3-13  .521

NY Jets 3-12 .529

GB Packers 3-12 .546

San Francisco 3-13 .546

A Baltimore win hurts the tiebreak of Houston and the Jets and helps the Saints and Packers tiebreak.  Minny win does the opposite.

A GB win would remove them from the hunt and would hurt the tiebreak of the Jets and Saints, and help the 49ers.

A Jets win would remove them from the hunt and wouldn't affect any of the other team.

So anyway... if the Pack and Jets both lose to 'stay in the hunt', the only teams that could be moving from this week's remaining games would be the Packers and 49ers, who could end up tied based on SOS.  Not sure what the next tiebreak is.
GregR, great info! I hope you don't mind if I paste this at a Jets forum.... I''l credit you and FFG.
Doing the same at packer sites... thanks!
 

GregR_2

Footballguy
GregR, great info! I hope you don't mind if I paste this at a Jets forum.... I''l credit you and FFG.
Glad it's of interest, and sure, feel free to pass it on. Hopefully I didn't make a mistake. :)
 

GregR_2

Footballguy
Each week a team's SOS will change by 16 games worth since they have 16 opponents. Since a lot of times an NFL game will have 2 teams playing that are both opponents, many times that means a net 1-1 will be added to the SOS.

So I went through the week 17 schedule and found what the range is that each team's SOS can be. I assume the Texans beat the 49ers in all of these (otherwise it's moot in regards to Reggie), but otherwise I just assume the team I'm doing the number for loses to stay in the hunt.



So if these teams end up 3-13, their SOS will be:

Houston will have a definite 5-6 to put them at 133-118 + 5 unknown results

Jets will have a definite 7-5 leaving them at 135-117 + 4 unknown results

Saints have a definite 7-5 putting them at 131-121 + 4 unknown results

Packers have a definite 7-6 putting them at 137-116 + 3 unknown results

49ers have a definite 5-4 (including Houston win) putting them at 136-113 + 7 unknown results

So at this point, the Packers and 49ers cannot beat out the Saints in a tiebreak, so their only hope is that the Saints win. The Jets at best can only tie the Saints if the Saints lose, and hope they win the next tiebreak category. Houston can beat the Saints in a tiebreak but need a little bit of help to be able to do so.

 

Chaos Commish

Footballguy
1 Houston 2 - 13 .5562 New Orleans 3 - 12 .5073 Green Bay 3 - 12 .5204 San Francisco 3 - 12 .5735 N.Y. Jets 3 - 11 .5366 Tennessee 4 - 11 .4937 Oakland 4 - 11 .5298 Arizona 5 - 10 .4809 St. Louis 5 - 10 .48010 Detroit 5 - 10 .493A win for the Jets tonight - not real likely, but you never know - would drop them to 7, moving Tenn and Oak both up one spot. A loss for the Jets tonight - probable - and they move ahead of SF into the #4 spot.

 
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GregR_2

Footballguy
1 Houston 2 - 13 .556

2 New Orleans 3 - 12 .507

3 Green Bay 3 - 12 .520

4 San Francisco 3 - 12 .573

5 N.Y. Jets 3 - 11 .536

6 Tennessee 4 - 11 .493

7 Oakland 4 - 11 .529

8 Arizona 5 - 10 .480

9 St. Louis 5 - 10 .480

10 Detroit 5 - 10 .493

A win for the Jets tonight - not real likely, but you never know - would drop them to 7, moving Tenn and Oak both up one spot. A loss for the Jets tonight - probable - and they move ahead of SF into the #4 spot.
Again, the stats at CBS don't reflect what the true situation is because they don't include the SOS for the entire schedule, only for the games that have been played already. If the Jets lose tonight they will effectively be in third place in the tie break.
 
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Chaos Commish

Footballguy
He asked for the top 10 as of NOW and I posted it. Are you saying a Jets loss moves their SoS down .016? Since you've done the research, which I appreciate, can you post the games of the Jets 4 unknown results? Curious. :popcorn:eta: Better Yet! Post all the unknowners!! :thumbup:

 
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Raptors

Footballguy
I assume NFL.com has alreay updated the Jets SOS numbers for this week, so if/when the Jets lose tonight, their SOS will go up to .545, putting them 4th overall going into next week.

 

faede

Footballguy
I prefer to use opponent's wins to figure this out. As of this exact moment... INCLUDING week 17 opponent's...New Orleans - 124*New York Jets - 126**Houston - 128Green Bay - 130San Francisco - 131* New Orleans actually has 123 currently, but has both NYJ and NE on their opponent's list and will get another win before the end of week 16.** New York Jets will either finish week 16 with no chance to get the number 1 pick, if they win, or they will lose and give themselves two more opponent wins, moving to 128.No matter what happens in week 17..... Houston will get 5 more opponent wins... New York will get 5 more opponent wins. (that will move to 7 if they lose to Buffalo, keeping them in the first pick race)... San Francisco will get 4 more opponent wins. (that will move to 5 if they beat Houston, keeping them in the first pick race)... Green Bay will get 6 more opponent wins. (that will move to 7 if they lose to Seattle, keeping them in the first pick race)Didn't do the math on New Orleans. They are pretty much the front runners for the SoS race and look to be difficult to unseat. Week 17 schedule. (again, not including New Orleans)Denver/San Diego - meaninglessNYG/Oakland - SF+1 if Giants win, NYJ +1 if Oakland winsArizona/Indy - SF+1 if Arizona wins, Houston +1 if Indy winsBaltimore/Cleveland - NYJ+1 if Baltimore winsBuffalo/NYJ - Houston+1, NYJ+2 if Buffalo wins.Pittsburgh/Detroit - GB+1 if Detroit wins, Houston+1 if Pittsburgh winsCarolina/Atlanta-meaninglessMiami/New England-meaninglessNew Orleans/Tampa Bay- SF+1 if Tampa winsSeattle/Green Bay-GB+1, SF+2, Hou+1 if Seattle winsChicago/Minnesota-SF+1 if Chicago winsWashington/Philadelphia- GB+1 if Philly winsSt Louis/Dallas-Houston+1, SF+1 if St. Louis winsLooking at those games, I think San Fran is pretty much out of the running. If Houston wins, they will be in a pretty good fight with Green Bay and New York for SoS. And the only way New Orleans can be overcome is if they beat Tampa Bay.

 
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Winston Smith

Footballguy
I prefer to use opponent's wins to figure this out. As of this exact moment... INCLUDING week 17 opponent's...

New Orleans - 124*

New York Jets - 126**

Houston - 128

Green Bay - 130

San Francisco - 131

* New Orleans actually has 123 currently, but has both NYJ and NE on their opponent's list and will get another win before the end of week 16.

** New York Jets will either finish week 16 with no chance to get the number 1 pick, if they win, or they will lose and give themselves two more opponent wins, moving to 128.

No matter what happens in week 17...

.. Houston will get 5 more opponent wins.

.. New York will get 5 more opponent wins. (that will move to 7 if they lose to Buffalo, keeping them in the first pick race).

.. San Francisco will get 4 more opponent wins. (that will move to 5 if they beat Houston, keeping them in the first pick race).

.. Green Bay will get 6 more opponent wins. (that will move to 7 if they lose to Seattle, keeping them in the first pick race)

Didn't do the math on New Orleans. They are pretty much the front runners for the SoS race and look to be difficult to unseat.

Week 17 schedule. (again, not including New Orleans)

Denver/San Diego - meaningless

NYG/Oakland - SF+1 if Giants win, NYJ +1 if Oakland wins

Arizona/Indy - SF+1 if Arizona wins, Houston +1 if Indy wins

Baltimore/Cleveland - NYJ+1 if Baltimore wins

Buffalo/NYJ - Houston+1, NYJ+2 if Buffalo wins.

Pittsburgh/Detroit - GB+1 if Detroit wins, Houston+1 if Pittsburgh wins

Carolina/Atlanta-meaningless

Miami/New England-meaningless

New Orleans/Tampa Bay- SF+1 if Tampa wins

Seattle/Green Bay-GB+1, SF+2, Hou+1 if Seattle wins

Chicago/Minnesota-SF+1 if Chicago wins

Washington/Philadelphia- GB+1 if Philly wins

St Louis/Dallas-Houston+1, SF+1 if St. Louis wins

Looking at those games, I think San Fran is pretty much out of the running. If Houston wins, they will be in a pretty good fight with Green Bay and New York for SoS. And the only way New Orleans can be overcome is if they beat Tampa Bay.
:pickle: :saintsfan:

 

GregR_2

Footballguy
He asked for the top 10 as of NOW and I posted it. Are you saying a Jets loss moves their SoS down .016? Since you've done the research, which I appreciate, can you post the games of the Jets 4 unknown results? Curious.

:popcorn:

eta: Better Yet! Post all the unknowners!! :thumbup:
It isn't so much that a loss moves the Jets SOS down, as that the CBS numbers don't include records for week 17 opponents at all. So Houston for example would have another 3-12 added in for San Fran week 17, while Green Bay who plays Seattle will have another 13-2 added into their SOS over what CBS has. So CBS is saying Houston and Green Bay are close in SOS at the moment. But we know who they play next week and know Houston's SOS will pick up a net 10 losses giving them quite a lead over GB in reality, so we'll get closer to the true situation by using the full 17 week SOS.As for the unknowners, here they are. Each is assuming the team in question loses their game.

Houston will be at 133-118 + results for the Bills, Steelers, Seahawks, Rams, and Colts. Note that though the Colts are a division opponent that would normally add 2 games to the SOS, they play the Cards who will cancel out one of the two games and so that fact is already accounted for in the 133-118 record.

Jets will be at 135-117 + results from the Chiefs, Jags, Ravens, and Raiders

Saints will be at 131-121 + results from the Giants, Packers, Rams, and Lions.

Packers will be at 137-116 + results from the Bengals, Lions, and Eagles.

49ers will be at 136-113 assuming Houston beats them, + results from Cardinals, Bucs, Giants, Bears, Rams, as well as a 2 game swing from Seahawks. The Seahawks result counts double, but the Cards and Rams results only count as a single for the same reason the Colts counted as a single for the Texans.

EDITED to replace the Steelers with the Lions in the list of teams the Packers get results from.

 
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GregR_2

Footballguy
I prefer to use opponent's wins to figure this out. As of this exact moment... INCLUDING week 17 opponent's...

New Orleans - 124*

New York Jets - 126**

Houston - 128

Green Bay - 130

San Francisco - 131

* New Orleans actually has 123 currently, but has both NYJ and NE on their opponent's list and will get another win before the end of week 16.

** New York Jets will either finish week 16 with no chance to get the number 1 pick, if they win, or they will lose and give themselves two more opponent wins, moving to 128.

No matter what happens in week 17...

.. Houston will get 5 more opponent wins.

.. New York will get 5 more opponent wins. (that will move to 7 if they lose to Buffalo, keeping them in the first pick race).

.. San Francisco will get 4 more opponent wins. (that will move to 5 if they beat Houston, keeping them in the first pick race).

.. Green Bay will get 6 more opponent wins. (that will move to 7 if they lose to Seattle, keeping them in the first pick race)

Didn't do the math on New Orleans. They are pretty much the front runners for the SoS race and look to be difficult to unseat.

Week 17 schedule. (again, not including New Orleans)

Denver/San Diego - meaningless

NYG/Oakland - SF+1 if Giants win, NYJ +1 if Oakland wins

Arizona/Indy - SF+1 if Arizona wins, Houston +1 if Indy wins

Baltimore/Cleveland - NYJ+1 if Baltimore wins

Buffalo/NYJ - Houston+1, NYJ+2 if Buffalo wins.

Pittsburgh/Detroit - GB+1 if Detroit wins, Houston+1 if Pittsburgh wins

Carolina/Atlanta-meaningless

Miami/New England-meaningless

New Orleans/Tampa Bay- SF+1 if Tampa wins

Seattle/Green Bay-GB+1, SF+2, Hou+1 if Seattle wins

Chicago/Minnesota-SF+1 if Chicago wins

Washington/Philadelphia- GB+1 if Philly wins

St Louis/Dallas-Houston+1, SF+1 if St. Louis wins

Looking at those games, I think San Fran is pretty much out of the running. If Houston wins, they will be in a pretty good fight with Green Bay and New York for SoS. And the only way New Orleans can be overcome is if they beat Tampa Bay.
Unless I made a mistake, San Fran and Green Bay are both out of the running if it's the Saints they have to catch. The most wins the Saints can end up with is 135. The 49ers can't have less than 136 SOS wins and the Packers can't have less than 137.
 

Raptors

Footballguy
It isn't so much that a loss moves the Jets SOS down, as that the CBS numbers don't include records for week 17 opponents at all. So Houston for example would have another 3-12 added in for San Fran week 17, while Green Bay who plays Seattle will have another 13-2 added into their SOS over what CBS has. So CBS is saying Houston and Green Bay are close in SOS at the moment. But we know who they play next week and know Houston's SOS will pick up a net 10 losses giving them quite a lead over GB in reality, so we'll get closer to the true situation by using the full 17 week SOS.

As for the unknowners, here they are. Each is assuming the team in question loses their game.

Houston will be at 133-118 + results for the Bills, Steelers, Seahawks, Rams, and Colts. Note that though the Colts are a division opponent that would normally add 2 games to the SOS, they play the Cards who will cancel out one of the two games and so that fact is already accounted for in the 133-118 record.

Jets will be at 135-117 + results from the Chiefs, Jags, Ravens, and Raiders

Saints will be at 131-121 + results from the Giants, Packers, Rams, and Lions.

Packers will be at 137-116 + results from the Bengals, Steelers, and Eagles.

49ers will be at 136-113 assuming Houston beats them, + results from Cardinals, Bucs, Giants, Bears, Rams, as well as a 2 game swing from Seahawks. The Seahawks result counts double, but the Cards and Rams results only count as a single for the same reason the Colts counted as a single for the Texans.
Assuming your math is correct, great post.
 
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN

Footballguy
These are the teams that need the indicated player (not saying this is the order they'll get drafted in):Houston: D'Brickshaw FergusonGreen Bay: Reggie BushNew Orleans: Matt LeinartSF: A new owner

 

Mungo Burrows

Footballguy
These are the teams that need the indicated player (not saying this is the order they'll get drafted in):

Houston: D'Brickshaw Ferguson

Green Bay: Reggie Bush

New Orleans: Matt Leinart

SF: A new owner
I think the Saints would be much better off using their pick on a new owner before SF snaps the best prospect off the board.
 

Wreckincrew

Footballguy
These are the teams that need the indicated player (not saying this is the order they'll get drafted in):

Houston:  D'Brickshaw Ferguson

Green Bay:  Reggie Bush

New Orleans:  Matt Leinart

SF:  A new owner
I think the Saints would be much better off using their pick on a new owner before SF snaps the best prospect off the board.
The Saint's could go UFAO (Unrestricted Free Agent Owner) instead of drafting one. Red McCombs is available! :eek: (Actually, I wouldn't wish that on anyone......except the Packers!)

 

a_rackowski

Footballguy
I think GB proved this year that any running back can do the job. Sure Reggie Bush would be an amazing star on this team, but a possible trade down 2or 3 spots and grabbing AJ Hawk makes much more sense. The defense was a bright spot on this team, but they didnt make the big play. Moving AJ Hawk to the inside and Barnett to the outside (where he should be playing) is going to add 2 playmakers. I think Gado proved his ware - he showed he can break teh big play(vs Baltimore and Detroit) He showed he can handle a heavy workload (4 out of 5 games with 20 or more carries). I personally think spraining an MCL on that play was more bad luck than injury prone. The packers are already short one draft choice from last year so acquiring a few more should be a priority. This team has no depth. Rod Gardner will be a nice addition - a far better option than Antonio Chatman. Javon Walker is coming back and adds another demension to our offense. Terrance Murphy looked to be better than advertised before the injury, and Donald Driver proved to be one of the most underrated guys in the league. In a perfect world, Assuming Brett Favre returns, the Packers will go into the season with both Bookend Offensive Tackles signed long term, and 21 million in cap room, which is enough money to sign Walker long term extension, and likely the top CB on the market - Charles Woodson or Nate Clements as well as a Safety to play along side Nick Collins. Someone like Adam Archuletta comes to mind - a guy who can play up at the line of scrimmage. Then in the draft, draft a true talent (2nd or 3rd round) at Offensive Guard. By all accounts, if the Packers play their cards right - they should be a superbowl contender next season again.

 

QuizGuy66

Footballguy
He asked for the top 10 as of NOW and I posted it.  Are you saying a Jets loss moves their SoS down .016?  Since you've done the research, which I appreciate, can you post the games of the Jets 4 unknown results?  Curious. 

:popcorn:

eta: Better Yet!  Post all the unknowners!!   :thumbup:
It isn't so much that a loss moves the Jets SOS down, as that the CBS numbers don't include records for week 17 opponents at all. So Houston for example would have another 3-12 added in for San Fran week 17, while Green Bay who plays Seattle will have another 13-2 added into their SOS over what CBS has. So CBS is saying Houston and Green Bay are close in SOS at the moment. But we know who they play next week and know Houston's SOS will pick up a net 10 losses giving them quite a lead over GB in reality, so we'll get closer to the true situation by using the full 17 week SOS.As for the unknowners, here they are. Each is assuming the team in question loses their game.

Houston will be at 133-118 + results for the Bills, Steelers, Seahawks, Rams, and Colts. Note that though the Colts are a division opponent that would normally add 2 games to the SOS, they play the Cards who will cancel out one of the two games and so that fact is already accounted for in the 133-118 record.

Jets will be at 135-117 + results from the Chiefs, Jags, Ravens, and Raiders

Saints will be at 131-121 + results from the Giants, Packers, Rams, and Lions.

Packers will be at 137-116 + results from the Bengals, Steelers, and Eagles.

49ers will be at 136-113 assuming Houston beats them, + results from Cardinals, Bucs, Giants, Bears, Rams, as well as a 2 game swing from Seahawks. The Seahawks result counts double, but the Cards and Rams results only count as a single for the same reason the Colts counted as a single for the Texans.
Houston's one above what's shown in these - they start at 129 wins right now, not the 128 in the original bit. The rest looks good.-QG

 
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