Uproar at my kids school this week... (1 Viewer)

[NCCommish]

I've watched it twice and still can't figure out why parents would be upset

The average child witnesses about 8000 murders on TV before they finish elementary school IIRC.

I know it happens but I'm trying to keep my daughter away from violence as much as possible.

The most disturbing thing about this story is the teacher laughing along with the video. That's extremely creepy.

Which is why I said she made a mistake as it wasn't her decision to make for those kids. Still the kids were laughing as reported by the kids. People here said they laughed. Not sure it's all that creepy.

 

[Disco Stu]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

Sounds like a pretty involved art class too, actually.

As one would expect in a highly competitive town.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross.

Allegedly.

Historical fact.

I've never seen any evidence. So, let's not jump to nailing anyone to the cross.

 

[McGarnicle]

Just watched the video for Hey Jude and I've gotta say, I wasn't expecting the disemboweling. Really sneaks up on you doesn't it?

 

[Cyclones]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross.

Allegedly.

Historical fact.

Allegedly.

 

[T Bell]

That letter works for me & I would move on as a parent... Although she is now sitting on 2 strikes with little margin for error.

agreed. my buddy said to me ...she's gotta go. I disagreed after reading that and said if she's been a good teacher otherwise I'd give her a warning but let her stay.

After reading that, my biggest concern is whether she lied about the facts. If she did, I'd fire her for that. If not, then the letter is enough to keep her (assuming of course she doesn't repeat the mistake, or new facts don't come to light).

 

[T Bell]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

Sounds like a pretty involved art class too, actually.

As one would expect in a highly competitive town.

Where the hell have you been? You're wanted in the JimTan.

 

[Banger]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

Sounds like a pretty involved art class too, actually.

As one would expect in a highly competitive town.

haha...you guys are ruthless...

 

[DrJ]

Toss her in the river and see if she floats.

 

[TheIronSheik]

I'm a bit confused how an art teacher fit this video into curriculum? I remember art class as a room where I had my assigned seat, with my drawing/painting/coloring equipment and outside of some basic instruction it was fairly hands off by the teacher.

What was the context behind showing this video?

my buddy just forwarded me her apology letter....I have to say, although it was a stupid thing to do, I'm not quite as upset as I was...

[SIZE=medium]To the parents of third grade art students,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] On Friday, in art we were learning about artistic styles or “movements of art”. We brainstormed a list of styles that the students have touched upon in their Jefferson art careers and some art movements that we will be studying in the future. Friday, we started the “Realism” style and I brought live Japanese fighting fish into the classroom (one fish per table) so that the students could have an introduction to “Life Drawing”. The children were very excited during the demonstration, and ready to get to work after deciding which fish they would draw. The fish were all named after Beatles songs, Jude, Eleanor Rigby, Michelle my belle, etc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] As the children were working on their preliminary sketches, I thought that it would be nice to listen to the songs that their fish were named after. For the “Lucy” fish, I played Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, and as they were working, I told them about the images in the video, which were based on the art of Peter Max, and described that art style. The video for “Hey Jude” was just a still life of The Beatles in their “Sergeant Pepper” regalia. I thought that this was a nice tie- in to “Music In Our Schools” month, which just ended in March.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] The video for Maxwell was in cartoon style. I did not preview the video and that was my first mistake. I didn’t think a video from a Beatles song, especially a cartoon video, would be inappropriate. I lacked judgment on several fronts and I apologize for this. The video showed, what I thought was, Tom and Jerry style violence, and the children were laughing. At the time, I just thought that they were being entertained as they worked, and I continued helping children with their sketches. The video was about 3 minutes long and I realize now, that I should have previewed the video; I should have turned the video off as soon as it showed any kind of violence, and I should’ve talked to the children about my mistake and how violence should never be portrayed in school.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] I sincerely apologize for my lack of judgment in this matter. To say it will never happen again is an understatement. I acted irresponsibly, it is inexcusable for a teacher, and I’m sorry if this had a negative impact on your child.[/SIZE]

This woman is so full of ####.

How so?

 

[SWC]

that song reminds me a lot of excitable boy by waren zevon seems to me like the beatles stole that one from him take that to the bank brohans

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

SWC!!!!!!!!!!!!! #brohans

 

[NajehHejan]

Dumb . Should be fired immediately.

 

[fatness]

[SIZE=13.5pt]Many of the children in their class complained of having nightmares because of this.....[/SIZE]

It's difficult to quantify how much BS this is. "A whole whole lot" is probably close.

edit: Just to be clear, that was from a chain email Banger copied, and is not something he said himself.

 

[Clifford]

Same email says teacher was "laughing along with them" so the kids were apparently laughing at their nightmare material.

Sounds like case of misunderstanding with a whole lot of overreaction.

 

[wazoo11]

what, no nudity??

 

[Dr Oadi]

There are things to get undies in a bunch over. Then there's things to just take a breath and move on.

This is the former not the latter.

Do people have no discretion anymore? What the hell?

My buddy was telling me yesterday that I have to see what she had the kids watch and I was thinking like is the case most of the time that these parents are way too sensitive and politically correct and that it was probably nothing. Then I watched it and for the life of me though I can't understand how she thought that was ok for 7-8 year olds and apparently she was laughing while it was playing in the class. an excerpt of the email chain I was sent......She has since sent the parents an apology, in which she said she didn't look at the video before she showed it to them and didn't watch it when they were watching it (which is NOT true). A lot of the kids have told their parents she did watch it with them and was laughing the whole time. Many of the parents have complained to the principal and I spoke to her today. She wasn't able to give me an answer, just that there was an investigation underway. Ms. XXXXX called me and gave a convoluted story, she said she thought it was more like "Tom and Jerry" violence. The worst part isn't that showed the kids this, but that she lied about it. She told the principal she only showed one class (and later admitted to showing it to another class) as well as saying she had no idea what the video was about. My son and several other classmates said she was LAUGHING with them watching it. Many of the children in their class complained of having nightmares because of this.....

Nation of wusses!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Same email says teacher was "laughing along with them" so the kids were apparently laughing at their nightmare material.

Sounds like case of misunderstanding with a whole lot of overreaction.

Sounds like you don't read thoroughly enough.

Not ALL of the kids were laughing. It sounds like it was funny to some and traumatic to others.

Should we just dismiss that it was traumatic to some because it was funny for the others?

 

[Clifford]

No I think the teacher should have to pay for psychological counseling for the kids in addition to being fired.

 

[fatness]

I'd bet the parents were more traumatized than the kids.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I told the kids today that they were pissing in the lion's face...long story but most of them understood what I was saying and my reasoning why. 8th grade, slightly different.

That video is disturbing for a 3rd grade.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

There are things to get undies in a bunch over. Then there's things to just take a breath and move on.

This is the former not the latter.

Do people have no discretion anymore? What the hell?

My buddy was telling me yesterday that I have to see what she had the kids watch and I was thinking like is the case most of the time that these parents are way too sensitive and politically correct and that it was probably nothing. Then I watched it and for the life of me though I can't understand how she thought that was ok for 7-8 year olds and apparently she was laughing while it was playing in the class. an excerpt of the email chain I was sent...

[SIZE=13.5pt]...She has since sent the parents an apology, in which she said she didn't look at the video before she showed it to them and didn't watch it when they were watching it (which is NOT true). A lot of the kids have told their parents she did watch it with them and was laughing the whole time. Many of the parents have complained to the principal and I spoke to her today. She wasn't able to give me an answer, just that there was an investigation underway. Ms. XXXXX called me and gave a convoluted story, she said she thought it was more like "Tom and Jerry" violence. The worst part isn't that showed the kids this, but that she lied about it. She told the principal she only showed one class (and later admitted to showing it to another class) as well as saying she had no idea what the video was about. My son and several other classmates said she was LAUGHING with them watching it. Many of the children in their class complained of having nightmares because of this.....[/SIZE]

Kind of sounds like you are the lead torch bearer there Jerry.

 

[Disco Stu]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

Sounds like a pretty involved art class too, actually.

As one would expect in a highly competitive town.

Where the hell have you been? You're wanted in the JimTan.

Just been busy brohan. Cliff notes of past four months I can take to the bank?

 

[ghostguy123]

There will be no winners here.

Kids probably win when she isn't a teacher anymore.

I generally think 99.9999999% of complaints by parents in the schools are overexagerated, and that we are making our kids soft as hell...........................but whether or not this has any effect on the kids is kind of irrelevant. If a teacher is stupid enough to show this, what can they possibly be teaching the kids????

Either she wanted to be fired, or she is just wayyyy to stupid to be a teacher.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Same email says teacher was "laughing along with them" so the kids were apparently laughing at their nightmare material.

Sounds like case of misunderstanding with a whole lot of overreaction.

Sounds like you don't read thoroughly enough.

Not ALL of the kids were laughing. It sounds like it was funny to some and traumatic to others.

Should we just dismiss that it was traumatic to some because it was funny for the others?

What if somebody thinks it funny that some found it traumatic?

 

[ghostguy123]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

Sorta depends on the "mess up" doesn't it??

Teacher cusses a kid out in class. Teacher apologizes...................seems reasonable

Teacher shows super inappropriate cartoon of murder laughing with her 8 year olds and tries to lie to cover it up. Teacher apologizes..............much less reasonable.

Teacher punches student in the face. Teacher apologizes................not reasonable.

Depends where the line is there. This is right at that line.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This thread has traumatized me

 

[ghostguy123]

This thread has traumatized me

DOn't let your 8 year old read it.

 

[sn0mm1s]

She is like the biker guy of the teaching world.

 

[ghostguy123]

Does no one remember Tom and Jerry? How about Roadrunner?

Freaking nancy-a** parents.

I grew up on Tom and Jerry and road runner and my kids watch them as well. This is not that...

Not a lot of pooling blood in Tom and Jerry.

It's also a cat and a mouse. Not a student killing teachers, other students, judges, security..............

Itchy and scratchy would be somewhere in between this video and Tom & Jerry

 

[ghostguy123]

She is like the biker guy of the teaching world.

You could say she was..............riding against traffic on this one...................insert Caruso here.

 

[cstu]

I'm a bit confused how an art teacher fit this video into curriculum? I remember art class as a room where I had my assigned seat, with my drawing/painting/coloring equipment and outside of some basic instruction it was fairly hands off by the teacher.

What was the context behind showing this video?

my buddy just forwarded me her apology letter....I have to say, although it was a stupid thing to do, I'm not quite as upset as I was...

[SIZE=medium]To the parents of third grade art students,[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] On Friday, in art we were learning about artistic styles or “movements of art”. We brainstormed a list of styles that the students have touched upon in their Jefferson art careers and some art movements that we will be studying in the future. Friday, we started the “Realism” style and I brought live Japanese fighting fish into the classroom (one fish per table) so that the students could have an introduction to “Life Drawing”. The children were very excited during the demonstration, and ready to get to work after deciding which fish they would draw. The fish were all named after Beatles songs, Jude, Eleanor Rigby, Michelle my belle, etc.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] As the children were working on their preliminary sketches, I thought that it would be nice to listen to the songs that their fish were named after. For the “Lucy” fish, I played Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, and as they were working, I told them about the images in the video, which were based on the art of Peter Max, and described that art style. The video for “Hey Jude” was just a still life of The Beatles in their “Sergeant Pepper” regalia. I thought that this was a nice tie- in to “Music In Our Schools” month, which just ended in March.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] The video for Maxwell was in cartoon style. I did not preview the video and that was my first mistake. I didn’t think a video from a Beatles song, especially a cartoon video, would be inappropriate. I lacked judgment on several fronts and I apologize for this. The video showed, what I thought was, Tom and Jerry style violence, and the children were laughing. At the time, I just thought that they were being entertained as they worked, and I continued helping children with their sketches. The video was about 3 minutes long and I realize now, that I should have previewed the video; I should have turned the video off as soon as it showed any kind of violence, and I should’ve talked to the children about my mistake and how violence should never be portrayed in school.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] I sincerely apologize for my lack of judgment in this matter. To say it will never happen again is an understatement. I acted irresponsibly, it is inexcusable for a teacher, and I’m sorry if this had a negative impact on your child.[/SIZE]

This woman is so full of ####.

How so?

She wrote about how she should have previewed the clip and claims that she realized it was a mistake afterward but actually showed it to another class.

[SIZE=13.5pt]She told the principal she only showed one class (and later admitted to showing it to another class)[/SIZE]

 

[TheIronSheik]

Teacher messed up. Teacher apologizes.

Good enough for me.

Sorta depends on the "mess up" doesn't it??

Teacher cusses a kid out in class. Teacher apologizes...................seems reasonable

Teacher shows super inappropriate cartoon of murder laughing with her 8 year olds and tries to lie to cover it up. Teacher apologizes..............much less reasonable.

Teacher punches student in the face. Teacher apologizes................not reasonable.

Depends where the line is there. This is right at that line.

It's a cartoon. Teacher apologizes. Good enough for me.

 

[ghostguy123]

It's a cartoon. Teacher apologizes. Good enough for me.

The make cartoons with PORN also, would that be ok after an apology?

Cartoon doesn't equal "ok if she apologizes".

If she showed it on accident so be it. Pretty clear she did not

 

[TheIronSheik]

It's a cartoon. Teacher apologizes. Good enough for me.

The make cartoons with PORN also, would that be ok after an apology?

Cartoon doesn't equal "ok if she apologizes".

If she showed it on accident so be it. Pretty clear she did not

It wasn't porn, though. And I think you're jumping to conclusions that she showed it on purpose.

Either way, notice that each time I wrote what I did, I wrote "Good enough for ME."

 

[kentric]

I'm going to take a leap here and say she didn't watch it before playing it for the kids. No adult is going to play something like that to a bunch of Third Graders.

Alternatively, she's nuts.

 

[Clifford]

Same email says teacher was "laughing along with them" so the kids were apparently laughing at their nightmare material.

Sounds like case of misunderstanding with a whole lot of overreaction.

Sounds like you don't read thoroughly enough.

Not ALL of the kids were laughing. It sounds like it was funny to some and traumatic to others.

Should we just dismiss that it was traumatic to some because it was funny for the others?

What if somebody thinks it funny that some found it traumatic?

Teacher should pay for sensitivity training

 

[skol asylum]

What the hell? What's next, marathon episodes of the Following?

 

[Vike Me]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross. Killing is part of life and these kids need to understand that. They should have started with Cain and Able though.

Spoilers Bro, I haven't read the book!

 

[skol asylum]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross. Killing is part of life and these kids need to understand that. They should have started with Cain and Able though.

Spoilers Bro, I haven't read the book!

I just wanna know how that Mexican fella Jesus made it all the way to the middle east 2000 years ago.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross. Killing is part of life and these kids need to understand that. They should have started with Cain and Able though.

Spoilers Bro, I haven't read the book!

 

[Sinn Fein]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross. Killing is part of life and these kids need to understand that. They should have started with Cain and Able though.

Spoilers Bro, I haven't read the book!

I just wanna know how that Mexican fella Jesus made it all the way to the middle east 2000 years ago.

True story - he swam to the middle east doing the back stroke. Thats why some people refer to Mexicans today as wet backs.

 

[Bucky86]

I'm going to take a leap here and say she didn't watch it before playing it for the kids. No adult is going to play something like that to a bunch of Third Graders.

Alternatively, she's nuts.

redundant

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was tortured and murdered on the cross. Killing is part of life and these kids need to understand that. They should have started with Cain and Able though.

Spoilers Bro, I haven't read the book!

I just wanna know how that Mexican fella Jesus made it all the way to the middle east 2000 years ago.

True story - he swam to the middle east doing the back stroke. Thats why some people refer to Mexicans today as wet backs.

Not cool.

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm going to take a leap here and say she didn't watch it before playing it for the kids. No adult is going to play something like that to a bunch of Third Graders.

Alternatively, she's nuts.

then why play it for multiple classes?

 

[T Bell]

I'm going to take a leap here and say she didn't watch it before playing it for the kids. No adult is going to play something like that to a bunch of Third Graders.

Alternatively, she's nuts.

then why play it for multiple classes?

Why are you assuming that she did? Because some kid told their parent that they heard she supposedly did? I can only imagine what the rumor mill is generating by way of "information".

 

[ghostguy123]

The I suppose I read wrong where it said he played it for multiple classes.

 

[T Bell]

The I suppose I read wrong where it said he played it for multiple classes.

Yeah, one mom's email simply says she played it in another class but doesn't say where the info came from. I gather she wouldn't know directly, so it's at least 2nd hand. Maybe it's true, but like I said I wouldn't take that on faith if it's coming indirectly from students who "heard" that's what happened.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

The I suppose I read wrong where it said he played it for multiple classes.

Yeah, one mom's email simply says she played it in another class but doesn't say where the info came from. I gather she wouldn't know directly, so it's at least 2nd hand. Maybe it's true, but like I said I wouldn't take that on faith if it's coming indirectly from students who "heard" that's what happened.

I heard some surfer dude pulled a knife on Mr. Hand.

 

[Dr Oadi]

How many other murder songs did this group have?