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[Banger]

There are guys that offer value all over the draft board but I like to try to get guys that are drafted as #2/3's and can be a #1. To me, one of the best values and sure things to take that leap is Percy Harvin. His talent is unquestioned, he has scored at that rate in the past, he's got a full training camp under his belt, no real competition for targets and he's been the talk of camp in how impressive he's been. You win with difference makers and he is one of them that can be had an excellent price. He's my #1 target in every draft.

Yes, there's some risk but there is enough value at the WR position that you can mitigate that risk with some later "safer" value guys.

 

[Leonidas]

I have a bunch of high picks so it doesn't work perfectly, but when my turn comes up in the late 4th round Percy Harvin is the first guy I look for.

 

[Anarchy99]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

 

[Casting Couch]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

Who are the some ?

Richardson has done next to nothing for years, I don't think he will all of a sudden become productive. Moncrief is a solid future play, and Rogers is a borderline non entity.

Allen has done next to nothing in this league, and Nicks is fading to black. I like Wayne to have a consistent season, and I really like Hilton as the #1 option in this offense.

 

[tsarc888]

There are guys that offer value all over the draft board but I like to try to get guys that are drafted as #2/3's and can be a #1. To me, one of the best values and sure things to take that leap is Percy Harvin. His talent is unquestioned, he has scored at that rate in the past, he's got a full training camp under his belt, no real competition for targets and he's been the talk of camp in how impressive he's been. You win with difference makers and he is one of them that can be had an excellent price. He's my #1 target in every draft.

Yes, there's some risk but there is enough value at the WR position that you can mitigate that risk with some later "safer" value guys.

agree completely.

 

[Anarchy99]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

Who are the some ?

Richardson has done next to nothing for years, I don't think he will all of a sudden become productive. Moncrief is a solid future play, and Rogers is a borderline non entity.

Allen has done next to nothing in this league, and Nicks is fading to black. I like Wayne to have a consistent season, and I really like Hilton as the #1 option in this offense.

Allen had 45-521-3 as a rookie and was on IR all of last year. If that's your definition as having "done next to nothing in this league" as a 24 year old, then I don't know what to tell you. I don't have a done of faith in Richardson, but some folks are pimping him as a major bounce back candidate. Nicks will do better than DHB's 29-309-1 from last year. My point still stands. Hilton is going to have to share the ball more this year than last year.

 

[bigmiiiiike]

For RBs, I'm looking for guys from the 7th round on who have a clear path to stud production with one injury. Not someone who will be in a committee if the stud goes down, and not anyone who has much value currently without the starter being hurt.

Freeman

West

Hyde

Michael

Knile Davis

Polk

Kadeem Carey

For WRs, I'm not seeing guys who I think will be this year's Josh Gordon (at least in the meaning of a late round WR who produces at that high of a level). Yes, Justin Hunter, Stills, Moncrief, etc. might be servicable, but I really doubt they get to a level where you are comfortable relying on them most weeks. Instead, I'll probably use most of my later round picks on the RBs names above, and I'm looking for WRs with upside/high ceilings in the mid rounds. Guys like Patterson, Floyd, Harvin, Welker, Sanders, maybe Maclin. If things break right, these are the types of guys who can contend with the tier of the top 6-7 WRs.

 

[Chaka]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

Who are the some ?

Richardson has done next to nothing for years, I don't think he will all of a sudden become productive. Moncrief is a solid future play, and Rogers is a borderline non entity.

Allen has done next to nothing in this league, and Nicks is fading to black. I like Wayne to have a consistent season, and I really like Hilton as the #1 option in this offense.

It is tough to take what you say seriously when you make statements like that. It seems more driven by emotion than anything.

Richardson put up 1,300 yards and 12 TDs as a rookie. There is a reason most people thought he was a fantasy first round pick last year.

 

[SameSongNDance]

For RBs, I'm looking for guys from the 7th round on who have a clear path to stud production with one injury. Not someone who will be in a committee if the stud goes down, and not anyone who has much value currently without the starter being hurt.

Freeman

West

Hyde

Michael

Knile Davis

Polk

Kadeem Carey

Word is Polk is on the roster bubble.

 

[Casting Couch]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

Who are the some ?

Richardson has done next to nothing for years, I don't think he will all of a sudden become productive. Moncrief is a solid future play, and Rogers is a borderline non entity.

Allen has done next to nothing in this league, and Nicks is fading to black. I like Wayne to have a consistent season, and I really like Hilton as the #1 option in this offense.

It is tough to take what you say seriously when you make statements like that. It seems more driven by emotion than anything.

Richardson put up 1,300 yards and 12 TDs as a rookie. There is a reason most people thought he was a fantasy first round pick last year.

It's not emotion, it's numbers.

Look deeper into the numbers and you'll find he was workhorse in 2012, which led to the inflated numbers.

3.6 yards per carry is not impressive, after being traded to the Colts his numbers fell to an abysmal 2.9 yards per carry

with 5 fumbles sprinkled into those 2 seasons.

You can talk about his first round value, but that was long ago in NFL time.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

Who are the some ?

Richardson has done next to nothing for years, I don't think he will all of a sudden become productive. Moncrief is a solid future play, and Rogers is a borderline non entity.

Allen has done next to nothing in this league, and Nicks is fading to black. I like Wayne to have a consistent season, and I really like Hilton as the #1 option in this offense.

It is tough to take what you say seriously when you make statements like that. It seems more driven by emotion than anything.

Richardson put up 1,300 yards and 12 TDs as a rookie. There is a reason most people thought he was a fantasy first round pick last year.

It's not emotion, it's numbers.

Look deeper into the numbers and you'll find he was workhorse in 2012, which led to the inflated numbers.

3.6 yards per carry is not impressive, after being traded to the Colts his numbers fell to an abysmal 2.9 yards per carry

with 5 fumbles sprinkled into those 2 seasons.

You can talk about his first round value, but that was long ago in NFL time.

This.

Richardson has been in the league 2 years and has a paltry 3.3 yards per carry average,

on 455 carries. It's a pretty large sample. You just can't explain away the lack of production.

 

[Freelove]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

Who are the some ?

Richardson has done next to nothing for years, I don't think he will all of a sudden become productive. Moncrief is a solid future play, and Rogers is a borderline non entity.

Allen has done next to nothing in this league, and Nicks is fading to black. I like Wayne to have a consistent season, and I really like Hilton as the #1 option in this offense.

It is tough to take what you say seriously when you make statements like that. It seems more driven by emotion than anything.

Richardson put up 1,300 yards and 12 TDs as a rookie. There is a reason most people thought he was a fantasy first round pick last year.

It's not emotion, it's numbers.

Look deeper into the numbers and you'll find he was workhorse in 2012, which led to the inflated numbers.

3.6 yards per carry is not impressive, after being traded to the Colts his numbers fell to an abysmal 2.9 yards per carry

with 5 fumbles sprinkled into those 2 seasons.

You can talk about his first round value, but that was long ago in NFL time.

This.

Richardson has been in the league 2 years and has a paltry 3.3 yards per carry average,

on 455 carries. It's a pretty large sample. You just can't explain away the lack of production.

If he's a paltry workhorse again, it's still productivity.

That isn't to say it's necessarily good for the Colts, but every touch he gets is a touch someone else doesn't. And if they force feed him the ball even in passing situations, it just makes Hilton's boom/bust nature even more pronounced. The worry isn't that Richardson is so good that his production will hurt Hilton. It's that with Wayne already the alpha hog in the reception department, the addition of Nicks, and the return of Allen, things already look dicey for TY. If their RB sees a workhorse's load, even if he doesn't do crap with it, that's still even worse for a guy like Hilton who was already fringe enough in the reliable production department to be devalued.

 

[tsarc888]

is this going to be yet ANOTHER thread that turns into a T-Rich debate?

 

[Post Corner]

Isn't Montee Ball kind I the biggest upside guy now? He seems to firmly have fallen into the mid 2nd round and is one of the few guys that really could post 20 TDs.

He's my favorite 2nd round back atm and I feel like he's being slightly undervalued. If I'm confronted with Lynch, Bell, Murray or Ball in PPR I'm going Ball every time

Lynch is a guy I am avoiding this year. I do think he should be good, but I just have a feeling about him. I am with you on Ball over Lynch, but I would slide in Murray above them all. With that group you listed:

1) Murray

2) Ball

3) Lynch

Lynch had 366 carries last season when you include that playoff workload!

REF: http://www.footballdocs.com/running_back_carries.html

I do love his playing style, but I can't put him on my roster in 2014. I think I will just have to admire his "real" NFL skill and not his fantasy value.

366 carries is a lot. I still have the scars from the Larry Johnson season where he flopped after 370 or something carries.

 

[DropKick]

I would temper my enthusiasm some for Hilton. The Colts added Nicks, have Wayne and Allen coming back, have Rogers and Moncrief as youngsters, and some say have Richardson ready to be productive. Bottom line, I don't see Hlton getting as many targets as last year. He strikes me as a limited ceiling kind of a guy.

Who are the some ?

Richardson has done next to nothing for years, I don't think he will all of a sudden become productive. Moncrief is a solid future play, and Rogers is a borderline non entity.

Allen has done next to nothing in this league, and Nicks is fading to black. I like Wayne to have a consistent season, and I really like Hilton as the #1 option in this offense.

It is tough to take what you say seriously when you make statements like that. It seems more driven by emotion than anything.

Richardson put up 1,300 yards and 12 TDs as a rookie. There is a reason most people thought he was a fantasy first round pick last year.

It's not emotion, it's numbers.

Look deeper into the numbers and you'll find he was workhorse in 2012, which led to the inflated numbers.

3.6 yards per carry is not impressive, after being traded to the Colts his numbers fell to an abysmal 2.9 yards per carry

with 5 fumbles sprinkled into those 2 seasons.

You can talk about his first round value, but that was long ago in NFL time.

I dismissed your post very quickly as you were off base on Richardson, Rogers, Allen and perhaps premature on Nicks.