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Urban Meyer - Free Agent (1 Viewer)

Bri said:
This is my second experience watching a fan base fire a coach the day he was hired. Steve Spurrier was the same.

I never understood the venom for Meyer in the spring. The guy won how many games before he took the job?

Spurrier was absurd. He's never coached at the professional level, umm he did in the USFL. He will never...NFL teams have switched and still use his 3 WR sets. It was a two back set before him. 

Y'all were angry Tebow- one of the nicest guys ever- was a camp body.

Bevell said he pulled Robinson, Meyer says he doesn't micromanage and omg y'all still blame Meyer. 

We all knew the Jags would stink but this whole omg he didn't win....that's something else.

My favorite is the story of a private meeting between he and his staff where he called the staff of a team with a losing record, losers. Y'all did but he's ridiculous for doing so? There are 10k coach meetings every year and zero info gets out but this one is leaked? Oh and how dare he say whoever leaked it will be fired.

The guy wasn't awesome and I'm not saying he should be this or that and I'm sure not his supporter but...really people? Really?

Y'all got so away from football. Where's the discussion about their free agency and draft and how it's turned out? How is Lawrence doing? Do they have a defense? Ya can't tell by discussions this year.

This sooo odd.

So do the Jags hire another former Bills coach? Are we forgetting they were a decent team and blew it up? They were the worst team in football last year and I'd bet a ton of money this off-season is blaming Urban for their demise.

I don't wonder why Stoops hasn't coached in the NFL anymore
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I see you managed to forget all the really damming stuff in there.  Hand selecting a strength and conditioning coach who wasn't just a huge racist, but also ended up hurting a number of kids.  Bringing in a qb/pitcher to play te, no matter how nice he is, when there's tes on the roster already.  Skipping a team flight home after a loss then lying about it until video showed up of him at a bar getting a lap dance.  The leak story not happening during the season but after two /pre/-season losses.  Failing to improve or develop the generational qb he was gifted. Literally kicking his kicker.  Also a coach who doesn't micromanage should be a huge red flag, that's literally the job.

The Jags weren't a decent team.  They had one year where they were able to get into the playoffs. Then everyone wanted out and their defense was left with nothing and Bortles did his terrible thing.

Nobody is saying "omg why didn't Meyer turn the whole thing around in a day".  If the Jags were still a 2 win team and none of the Meyer induced circus happened then we'd be talking football.   But the circus was what we got, and so the circus is what we talk about.  He died by his own hand.

Hopefully they'll get a coach that can turn Shenault into the new cpatt/deebo.

 
Yeah, if the Jags were 2-11 but the franchise QB showed signs of growth, Urban would still be employed.

If the Jags were 2-11, and the HC knew his players names, he might still be employed. 

If the Jags were 2-11 and not subject to weekly embarrassing stories that might or might not be leaked by the front office, he would still have a job.

Instead the OC of an offense that has scored 6 TD total in last 7 games has been elevated. 

Bring me Bienemy, Leftwich, Kellen Moore - anybody who can develop Lawrence 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
I didn't want to pound down in the Jags team thread but I did want to weigh in and see if others are left scratching their heads.

-No NFL experience, NONE! Let's start there

-A laundry list of coaches in the NFL that hate his guts for not tipping hands on players like Aaron Hernandez, he knew who he was at Florida

-Faked an illness to get out of Florida and leave amid some rumored scandals. 

-Didn't last long at OSU, had more scandals there involving Domestic Battery/Abuse and while that wasn't Urban directly, it was one of his coaches that he was loyal to. 

-This is a pure last pay day of his life, there will no Pete Carroll reincarnation in Jacksonville, Pete is a completely different type of coach and I don't think Meyer will be able to hold the locker room together when things go South. 

-$12,000,000.00??? $12MM, $12 Million...$12 MILLION, are you fBomb kidding me? Was there a tug of war with the Jets or something for his services?

Worst coach that could have been hired IMHO almost bar none. Poor Trevor is going to get off to an awful start in the J-A-X

I'm sorry Jags fans, be happy though you get Lawrence, he actually got the NCAA to start playing again this year...well he was a big voice and part of the solution not the problem. I love this kid and think he will succeed but Meyer is going to set him back a few years. Jacksonville will not be able to run the rookie-QB playbook to the Super Bowl, you have a 3 year window and they just blew it. 
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Here was the OP in my Urban Meyer thread before it was merged. 

 
The General said:
I’m sure there are others out there but has there been a bigger flame out coach hire? Urban has to have vaulted to a pretty high spot on that list.
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People don't remember but Bobby Petrino was the Atlanta Falcons Head Coach in 2007 before he hightailed it out of there with a 3-8 record I do believe and ran back to college, perhaps Arkansas IIRC, had the mistress on the back of his motorcycle allegedly and the University fired him like 10 days later. 

 
Leroy Hoard said:
Lucky #13: Urban Meyer joins fellow college coaches Lou Holtz and Bobby Petrino in not making it through their first NFL seasons. Holtz of the Jets and Petrino (Falcons) were also gone after 13 games. 😞
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I'm too young to remember Holtz, and Petrino was plenty awful (especially the way he informed the team of his departure by leaving laminated notes in their lockers instead of addressing them in person), but at least in his case you can say that the Vick suspension meant he walked into a very different situation than he was anticipating when he took the job.

With Meyer, though, he had everything going for him. Huge celebrity in the state. No. 1 pick in a year where there was a consensus generational QB. Sad-sack franchise where the expectations weren't going to be too high. All of the incentives pointed to him getting a lot of slack, and yet he still only managed to last 13 games (also, Petrino and Holtz both resigned after realizing they weren't a good fit in the NFL, whereas Meyer was ignominiously fired).

This is the worst NFL coaching hire in recent memory, maybe ever. He lost, he embarrassed himself both on and off the field, he turned the franchise into a laughingstock (well, more of one). Maybe I'm missing something, maybe we'll realize it in hindsight, but at the moment, I'm having a hard time thinking of any positive aspects to his tenure.

 
Rally Monkey said:
There is a lot to unpack here.

1. I am ecstatic at the misery that this dude is going through. I'm a Michigan fan over anything moral with the exception the Michigan for Ohio Kids charity things they do. I dont pretend to care about Meyer as he is a liar, he didnt have no heart attack. He just wanted to avoid the scandal, all the scandal he has been in through out his career, Aaron Hernandez anyone?

2. He is a terrible coach at any level and is lucky to have assistants who have talent and a guy named Tressell who had issues as well build back that program to high levels, no I give Meyer no credit. He chased a good job. 

3. I am bitter Michigan didnt beat him, I am bias as heck. See ya Urban. But even though we are happy, some of us...he is taking fat money home to his couch with laughter that he dont have to coach such an awful team. 

4. Trevor Lawrence isnt good. I have thought this forever. Never liked him in college. He was good for college like Tebow, not a good NFL QB.

5. All that being said. No way he kicked a player and no way he made his coaches go around the table and defend their resume. This guy has many people who hate him me included, but I also know when you are hated, people will conspire and lie to seek revenge and teach you a lesson. I have no time to debate such things, I have seen it happen, we all have. 

He kicked Josh Lambo and he is just saying it now? Not after he abandoned the team and you felt the need tot ell everyone this guy sucked and he kicks his players then, why not out it then? Why only now? This is full on Jon Gruden style takedown. 

He sucks, a bad dude and a liar...but come on. This is a pile on and some of it is lies as I have no doubt he got into some arguments, but thats what makes this all so believable to many.  Its the rhetoric, the media has no shortage of adjectives whenever they report anything. I loathe all sideline sport reporters too, like Kim Jones and folk. She is the biggest culprit but they all do it... talks like everything some CTE impacted dude who shouts something to her in passing is speaking like a nobel laureate. LOL 

The nuggets of shiz is all the media wants, the spoiled 20something millionaires know this. You can tell Urban was under attack from all. 
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Yeah there's definitely a pile-on, but he brought it on himself. I'm a Lions fan. Campbell has a worse record than Meyer and has made some truly curious in-game decisions that have cost the team wins, but no one is piling on him because he seems like a genuinely good dude whose players would run through a wall for him, so we're all willing to give him some time to see if it works out. Meyer lost games AND lost the locker room AND embarrassed himself. Khan clearly didn't want to fire him so soon (it's a pretty humiliating admission that you screwed up the hire) but Meyer left him no choice

 
rockaction said:
I had to look it up to get the joke, but it seems like that was a great character from a good show that I missed out on. 
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It's one of my favorite TV shows of all time. Very intelligent (they basically smuggled a philosophy class into a sitcom) but also hilarious. And the series finale was genuinely moving. I can't remember how many total episodes there are but absolutely worth your time

 
Bri said:
This is my second experience watching a fan base fire a coach the day he was hired. Steve Spurrier was the same.

I never understood the venom for Meyer in the spring. The guy won how many games before he took the job?

Spurrier was absurd. He's never coached at the professional level, umm he did in the USFL. He will never...NFL teams have switched and still use his 3 WR sets. It was a two back set before him. 

Y'all were angry Tebow- one of the nicest guys ever- was a camp body.

Bevell said he pulled Robinson, Meyer says he doesn't micromanage and omg y'all still blame Meyer. 

We all knew the Jags would stink but this whole omg he didn't win....that's something else.

My favorite is the story of a private meeting between he and his staff where he called the staff of a team with a losing record, losers. Y'all did but he's ridiculous for doing so? There are 10k coach meetings every year and zero info gets out but this one is leaked? Oh and how dare he say whoever leaked it will be fired.

The guy wasn't awesome and I'm not saying he should be this or that and I'm sure not his supporter but...really people? Really?

Y'all got so away from football. Where's the discussion about their free agency and draft and how it's turned out? How is Lawrence doing? Do they have a defense? Ya can't tell by discussions this year.

This sooo odd.

So do the Jags hire another former Bills coach? Are we forgetting they were a decent team and blew it up? They were the worst team in football last year and I'd bet a ton of money this off-season is blaming Urban for their demise.

I don't wonder why Stoops hasn't coached in the NFL anymore
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Titans fan wishing division opponent kept terrible coach. 

 
@RossTuckerNFL: Urban Meyer in JAX was off from the start.

He always looked on the sideline like the guy at a concert that doesn't know the band or any of their songs.

 
The QB-> TE thing worked out ok for Logan Thomas.  Nothing wrong with giving Tebow a look.   The rest of the stuff in Jax was kind of a #### show.  

 
rockaction said:
How? The guy that is married to him just left the altar with divorce papers in hand. 
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And thank goodness for that. The guy that left with divorce papers couldn’t hold down a job, smoked pot all day while watching soaps, picked his nose and ate it, farted loudly in the grocery store and tried to high five everyone who heard it, hit on the neighbor right in front of him, and kicked dogs. Now Etienne can regroup and, at the very least, find a new husband that at least has a job, showers regularly, and can behave in public.

 
Bri said:
This is my second experience watching a fan base fire a coach the day he was hired. Steve Spurrier was the same.

I never understood the venom for Meyer in the spring. The guy won how many games before he took the job?

Spurrier was absurd. He's never coached at the professional level, umm he did in the USFL. He will never...NFL teams have switched and still use his 3 WR sets. It was a two back set before him. 

Y'all were angry Tebow- one of the nicest guys ever- was a camp body.

Bevell said he pulled Robinson, Meyer says he doesn't micromanage and omg y'all still blame Meyer. 

We all knew the Jags would stink but this whole omg he didn't win....that's something else.

My favorite is the story of a private meeting between he and his staff where he called the staff of a team with a losing record, losers. Y'all did but he's ridiculous for doing so? There are 10k coach meetings every year and zero info gets out but this one is leaked? Oh and how dare he say whoever leaked it will be fired.

The guy wasn't awesome and I'm not saying he should be this or that and I'm sure not his supporter but...really people? Really?

Y'all got so away from football. Where's the discussion about their free agency and draft and how it's turned out? How is Lawrence doing? Do they have a defense? Ya can't tell by discussions this year.

This sooo odd.

So do the Jags hire another former Bills coach? Are we forgetting they were a decent team and blew it up? They were the worst team in football last year and I'd bet a ton of money this off-season is blaming Urban for their demise.

I don't wonder why Stoops hasn't coached in the NFL anymore
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The guy seems like a jackass and he’s a bad NFL coach. 
most likely he’ll land with a tier 1 college team and be fine. But he was not going to turn the jags around. 

 
Terrible hire and I’m sure Meyer and his agents saw the Jags coming a mile away. Now this “poor terrible guy” gets to sit with about 6 years and 60-70 million coming in to do nothing. 

 
Rally Monkey said:
Never happening, you wont see coaches sign contracts without language ever again. Other owners will also wanna make Khan may for that mistake of welcoming this dude to their league. 
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100%

Ive had a working theory for years that this is intentionally done by some HC’s. He clearly had zero interest, from the very beginning, and wanted to get fired to collect without the 15 hour days. This isn’t a new strategy with bad or vulnerable teams/owners. They saw Khan coming a mile away. 

 
This is a perfect example of what might be my favorite word...grifter. (What? You don't have a favorite word?) As in the following:

Tom: It's a grift, Leo. If she didn't need you to protect her brother from Johnny Caspar, d'you think she'd still go with you on slow carriage rides through the park? That is the deal, isn't it? You keep Bernie under wraps 'till Caspar cools down?

Leo: Jesus but you're a prickly pear. What's wrong with her wanting her brother taken care of?

Tom: Not a thing. I don't blame her. She sees the angle--which is you--and she plays it. She's a grifter, just like her brother. They probably had grifter parents and grifter grandparents and someday they'll each spawn little grifter kids--

 
First of all I can`t stand Meyer from his OSU days.  Successful college coaches like Meyer and Saban find out real quick the NFL is a different animal.   

Coaching at Alabama and OSU would be like coaching an NFL team that gets 4 first rd picks, 4 second rd picks, and 4 third rd picks every year.  Success is assured because of the talent level makes it tough to fail.  Failing is losing 1 maybe 2 games a season.

JAX was horrible last year as were the Lions.  Both get news HCs and both still stink this year.  There is very little talent on both teams and watching Lawrence he makes horrible decisions.  Sure he can get better but right now he is terrible.  Can`t win with Lawrence at this stage.

Even though Meyer is a doosh I don`t believe the kicker incident. With the talent on JAX just like the talent in Detroit we have no idea what kind of coaches they really are.  All of a sudden Mike Tomlin is not looking that good with an aging Big Ben.  For the most part talent wins in the NFL and Meyer has none on his team.

I admit I enjoy watching Meyer lose but if Jax was 8-6 right now I doubt anyone would be saying anything.

If you are jerk and winning it works, it does not work when you are losing.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
This is a perfect example of what might be my favorite word...grifter. (What? You don't have a favorite word?) As in the following:

Tom: It's a grift, Leo. If she didn't need you to protect her brother from Johnny Caspar, d'you think she'd still go with you on slow carriage rides through the park? That is the deal, isn't it? You keep Bernie under wraps 'till Caspar cools down?

Leo: Jesus but you're a prickly pear. What's wrong with her wanting her brother taken care of?

Tom: Not a thing. I don't blame her. She sees the angle--which is you--and she plays it. She's a grifter, just like her brother. They probably had grifter parents and grifter grandparents and someday they'll each spawn little grifter kids--
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That's funny... I hate that word.  Don't really know why.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
Based on my watching him during the college pregame show - Guy knows his football...and is kind of a doosh.
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Third post in the thread - and the first that could be considered "commentary". 

Of course, that was kind of like saying "Ya know, that Trump guy might be full of himself."

 
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On the day Meyer kicked him in warmups, Lambo said that he later reported the incident to his agent, Richard Irvin, who then contacted the Jaguars' legal counsel. In a statement to the Tampa Bay Times, the Jaguars said that they "acknowledged and responded immediately to the query made by Josh Lambo's agent Friday, August 27, 2021."
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/urban-meyer-fired-ex-jaguars-kicker-josh-lambo-says-he-was-kicked-by-former-coach-during-warmups-in-preseason/

 
Just curious what the Jags record would be with Belichick as HC. The Pats won 7 games with Cam last year. Newton has lost 11 straight for the Panthers. 

 
Da Guru said:
Even though Meyer is a doosh I don`t believe the kicker incident. With the talent on JAX just like the talent in Detroit we have no idea what kind of coaches they really are.  All of a sudden Mike Tomlin is not looking that good with an aging Big Ben.  For the most part talent wins in the NFL and Meyer has none on his team.
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Just to be clear... the "kicker incident" is a he said/he said... and you believe Urban Meyer?

Coaching matters. Players play and coaches coach... both are equally important IMO. And I see a noticeable difference in the way DET and JAX players respond to their coaching situations.

 
Guy who was clearly miserable coaching there from day 1 kicking a kicker like he would probably kick a dog?  Plausible.  Though they should grill lambo about whether Meyer was kicking him with the wind or against it.

-QG

 
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As a Bengals fan who saw Zac Taylor's rough start (and questionable first selection for O-line coach) I gotta say Urban is on a whole other level.  I dunno if Taylor will ever get game-calling down like he needs to but the dude at least has built a culture and got his team to buy in.  I sense that is true with Campbell and the Lions (the knee-cap stuff was goofy sure but came from the right place).  Meyer was a whole special level of failure.  A silver lining to all this would be if a good guy like Bienemy gets his shot at long last.

-QG

 
Dizzy said:
Just to be clear... the "kicker incident" is a he said/he said... and you believe Urban Meyer?

Coaching matters. Players play and coaches coach... both are equally important IMO. And I see a noticeable difference in the way DET and JAX players respond to their coaching situations.
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Do you really think a coach is going to kick a player in pre-game warmups with everyone standing around?  Meyer is a doosh for sure but this one is tough to believe.

Meyer got fired so it does not matter anyway. 

 
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