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It couldn’t have been an investor. United is a growth machine. Much of their revenue comes from their healthcare businesses outside of insurance, including software companies. My guess is somebody who was denied coverage for something.
 
United Healthcare CEO murdered in New York this morning.
Really shocking. It's in a completely safe area of NYC. 6:45 a.m. and he gets killed on the street.

Assume its an upset doctor or patient with a vendetta.

It could be one of the multitude of people they laid off this year to increase profits for shareholders.

It could be an American worker that is upset that their premiums have gone up every year for the last 20 years, while their coverage has gone down every year over the same period.

It could be someone whose claim was denied for a large medical bill.

It could be someone whose relative died because they could not get the treatment they needed because it wasn't covered.

It could be a doctor upset that their patients were regularly not covered for procedures they need.

The list of motives are endless, which kind of beckons back to the title of this thread.
Yeah but many of those people are not professional hit men or use silencers
Yet he oddly exited the scene on a Citibike - which requires a credit card to use, and likely has GPS tracking...Odd.
 
United Healthcare CEO murdered in New York this morning.
Reading comments from articles online seems like most people feel he deserved it.
most people? Highly doubt that. Terrible

It's not surprising.

Thankfully, I've never had something disgusting happen to me like me or a family member being denied coverage for a life saving procedure. In the minds of people who have, I could understand seeing a sense of justice taking place here. I do not at all agree with it, but I can at least understand it.
 
United Healthcare CEO murdered in New York this morning.

Do we know what triggered all of this?
Who thinks they can get away with murdering someone these days? You must be prepared to be gunned down yourself or go away for a long time to prison
Once your in Central Park, its pretty easy to blend in especially if you've stashed stuff there. There are loads of places without cameras and its pretty empty this time of year at 7am in the morning.

Of course, a Citibike probably isn't the best way to do that.
 
Maybe this guy was a pro and disabled the GPS??

The fact he hasn't been caught despite doing this in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan says he may be a pro.
 
Maybe this guy was a pro and disabled the GPS??

The fact he hasn't been caught despite doing this in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan says he may be a pro.
Silencers aren't typically the mark of an amateur either. If he's not a pro, he planned this meticulously for a long time.
 
The suspect left on a citibike. Those bikes have GPS.

The police are on the hunt and NYC has so many cameras.

I'm guessing they nab this guy.
Not only do the bikes have GPS, you have to "rent" them, either by the day or longer ( I have a year membership)... So the specific bike will be linked to a specific means of payment- which, afaik is only via credit card. Not the most anonymous means of escape.
 
There are so many plausible reasons why someone might want this guy dead, and a lot of them have nothing to do with his job. I'd prefer to await further evidence before speculating on motives.
It's pretty easy to speculate on the motives related to somebody running a health care company though. Other CEOs... Probably less easy. And of course we'll all know more as the facts come in- but I don't see a problem speculating.

And motive be damned, nobody deserves to be gunned down like this, with info at hand- regardless of your opinions on the state of health care.
 
The suspect left on a citibike. Those bikes have GPS.

The police are on the hunt and NYC has so many cameras.

I'm guessing they nab this guy.
Not only do the bikes have GPS, you have to "rent" them, either by the day or longer ( I have a year membership)... So the specific bike will be linked to a specific means of payment- which, afaik is only via credit card. Not the most anonymous means of escape.
Unless he found one that hadn't been properly docked, or he stole it. Or payed somebody else to steal it.
 
Maybe this guy was a pro and disabled the GPS??

The fact he hasn't been caught despite doing this in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan says he may be a pro.
Silencers aren't typically the mark of an amateur either. If he's not a pro, he planned this meticulously for a long time.
I just assume that anybody who can intercept a CEO on the street has at least thought things through. Obviously I want this guy to be caught, but I'd tentatively assume that he had a well-conceived escape plan. This isn't a random crime that an impulsive person successfully pulls off.
 
The police are on the hunt and NYC has so many cameras.

I'm guessing they nab this guy.
Not only do the bikes have GPS, you have to "rent" them, either by the day or longer ( I have a year membership)... So the specific bike will be linked to a specific means of payment- which, afaik is only via credit card. Not the most anonymous means of escape.
Unless he found one that hadn't been properly docked, or he stole it. Or payed somebody else to steal it.
Assuming he either stole it or used someone else's login info to unlock one, those ebikes can get pretty far. Plus, you can get through CP and across some of those Harlem bridges (even the GW if one was inclined) fairly innocuously and quickly on an ebike.
 
United Healthcare CEO murdered in New York this morning.
Really shocking. It's in a completely safe area of NYC. 6:45 a.m. and he gets killed on the street.

Assume its an upset doctor or patient with a vendetta.

It could be one of the multitude of people they laid off this year to increase profits for shareholders.

It could be an American worker that is upset that their premiums have gone up every year for the last 20 years, while their coverage has gone down every year over the same period.

It could be someone whose claim was denied for a large medical bill.

It could be someone whose relative died because they could not get the treatment they needed because it wasn't covered.

It could be a doctor upset that their patients were regularly not covered for procedures they need.

The list of motives are endless, which kind of beckons back to the title of this thread.
Yeah but many of those people are not professional hit men or use silencers
Yet he oddly exited the scene on a Citibike - which requires a credit card to use, and likely has GPS tracking...Odd.
Good info, didn't know that
It sure looked or sounded like a professional hit
But, I follow some of the bigger murder cases and I do find that when "passion" is involved and sets up shop in someone's head, all bets are off
Definitely increases the idea of maybe a doctor or possibly a terminally ill patient that just said "bleep it" but somehow it feels a little bigger than that
I do hope they catch the criminal so we can find out what really happened

Credit Cards can be forged or done by folks with other peoples information
 
Maybe this guy was a pro and disabled the GPS??

The fact he hasn't been caught despite doing this in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan says he may be a pro.
Silencers aren't typically the mark of an amateur either. If he's not a pro, he planned this meticulously for a long time.
I just assume that anybody who can intercept a CEO on the street has at least thought things through. Obviously I want this guy to be caught, but I'd tentatively assume that he had a well-conceived escape plan. This isn't a random crime that an impulsive person successfully pulls off.
I posted just above... The Citibike usage- will be interesting (to me at least) how that angle plays out, because somebody had to have rented that bike.

But damn... That video from the NY post... Did it right in front of that doorman without caring he was there.
 
The police are on the hunt and NYC has so many cameras.

I'm guessing they nab this guy.
Not only do the bikes have GPS, you have to "rent" them, either by the day or longer ( I have a year membership)... So the specific bike will be linked to a specific means of payment- which, afaik is only via credit card. Not the most anonymous means of escape.
Unless he found one that hadn't been properly docked, or he stole it. Or payed somebody else to steal it.
Assuming he either stole it or used someone else's login info to unlock one, those ebikes can get pretty far. Plus, you can get through CP and across some of those Harlem bridges (even the GW if one was inclined) fairly innocuously and quickly on an ebike.
Yep. I ride from the LES to Randall's Island and back on them. And into Brooklyn as well. Bridges, hills,.. the pedal assist versions move quick and cover ground easily.
 
Maybe this guy was a pro and disabled the GPS??

The fact he hasn't been caught despite doing this in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan says he may be a pro.
Silencers aren't typically the mark of an amateur either. If he's not a pro, he planned this meticulously for a long time.
I just assume that anybody who can intercept a CEO on the street has at least thought things through. Obviously I want this guy to be caught, but I'd tentatively assume that he had a well-conceived escape plan. This isn't a random crime that an impulsive person successfully pulls off.
I posted just above... The Citibike usage- will be interesting (to me at least) how that angle plays out, because somebody had to have rented that bike.

But damn... That video from the NY post... Did it right in front of that doorman without caring he was there.
I guess he could have stolen someone's physical Citibike key as well which would make tracing him much harder.
 
Maybe this guy was a pro and disabled the GPS??

The fact he hasn't been caught despite doing this in broad daylight in midtown Manhattan says he may be a pro.
Silencers aren't typically the mark of an amateur either. If he's not a pro, he planned this meticulously for a long time.
I just assume that anybody who can intercept a CEO on the street has at least thought things through. Obviously I want this guy to be caught, but I'd tentatively assume that he had a well-conceived escape plan. This isn't a random crime that an impulsive person successfully pulls off.
I posted just above... The Citibike usage- will be interesting (to me at least) how that angle plays out, because somebody had to have rented that bike.

But damn... That video from the NY post... Did it right in front of that doorman without caring he was there.
I guess he could have stolen someone's physical Citibike key as well which would make tracing him much harder.
The fob... Sure. But at least gives the police a starting point. That was my point- somebody rented this bike, so they can trace it back to them and then move forward. May not provide anything, but better than him taking off on some random ebike.
 
There are so many plausible reasons why someone might want this guy dead, and a lot of them have nothing to do with his job. I'd prefer to await further evidence before speculating on motives.

Absolutely.

I know nothing about the man but a person was murdered. Let's please don't speculate or do the "he deserved it" here.
 
“The shooter arrived at the location on foot about five minutes prior to the victim’s arrival. He stands along the building line as numerous other people and pedestrians pass him by,” NYPD Chief of Detectives Joe Kenny said, citing preliminary information and surveillance video.

“At 6:44 a.m., the victim is walking alone towards the Hilton after exiting his hotel across the street. We believe the victim was headed to the Hilton hotel to attend the (UnitedHealthcare) investors’ conference that was scheduled to start at 8 a.m.,” Kenny said.

The gunman “approaches the victim from behind and shoots him in the back,” the chief said. “The shooter then walks toward the victim and continues to shoot. It appears the gun malfunctions as he clears the jam and begins to fire again.”

“At 6:46 a.m., patrol officers from Midtown North Precinct responded to a 911 call of a person shot in front of the Hilton hotel located at 1335 Avenue of the Americas. This is between West 53rd Street and West 54th Street,” the chief said.

“At 6:48 a.m., officers arrived and find the victim, Brian R. Thompson, a 50-year-old male, on the sidewalk in front of the Hilton with gunshot wounds to his back and leg. Mr. Thompson was removed by EMS to Roosevelt Hospital (now known as Mount Sinai West), where he was pronounced dead at 7:12 a.m.

After killing Thompson, the gunman fled “northbound into an alleyway between 54th Street and 55th Street,” Kenny said.

“Once at West 55th Street, the shooter continues to walk westbound on Avenue of the Americas, where he gets onto an electric e-Citi bike and rides northbound on Avenue of the Americas toward Central Park, where at 6:48 a.m., we have the shooter riding this bike into Central Park at Center Drive,” the chief said. “At the scene, we recover three live 9mm rounds and three discharged 9mm shell casings.”
CNN
 
"The wife of Brian Thompson, the UnitedHealth Group CEO who was shot to death outside a Midtown Manhattan hotel, said her husband had been receiving threats prior to the attack.

Thompson's wife, Paulette, told NBC News that she was informed by the New York Police Department that the attack on her husband was planned. “Yes, there had been some threats basically I don’t know, a lack of coverage? I don’t know details,” Paulette Thompson told NBC News. “I just know that he said there were some people that had been threatening him.”"

https://people.com/slain-unitedhealth-ceo-s-wife-says-he-received-threats-before-his-murder-8756031
 
United Healthcare CEO murdered in New York this morning.
Really shocking. It's in a completely safe area of NYC. 6:45 a.m. and he gets killed on the street.

Assume its an upset doctor or patient with a vendetta.

It could be one of the multitude of people they laid off this year to increase profits for shareholders.

It could be an American worker that is upset that their premiums have gone up every year for the last 20 years, while their coverage has gone down every year over the same period.

It could be someone whose claim was denied for a large medical bill.

It could be someone whose relative died because they could not get the treatment they needed because it wasn't covered.

It could be a doctor upset that their patients were regularly not covered for procedures they need.

The list of motives are endless, which kind of beckons back to the title of this thread.
Yeah but many of those people are not professional hit men or use silencers
Yet he oddly exited the scene on a Citibike - which requires a credit card to use, and likely has GPS tracking...Odd.
Criminals are generally not the smartest folks. Hope they catch him.
 
"The wife of Brian Thompson, the UnitedHealth Group CEO who was shot to death outside a Midtown Manhattan hotel, said her husband had been receiving threats prior to the attack.

Thompson's wife, Paulette, told NBC News that she was informed by the New York Police Department that the attack on her husband was planned. “Yes, there had been some threats basically I don’t know, a lack of coverage? I don’t know details,” Paulette Thompson told NBC News. “I just know that he said there were some people that had been threatening him.”"

https://people.com/slain-unitedhealth-ceo-s-wife-says-he-received-threats-before-his-murder-8756031

That's awful. I've had a few threats from website visitors and people on the forum and it's not a fun thing. But it's beyond thinkable to see something like this actually carried out.
 
It couldn’t have been an investor. United is a growth machine. Much of their revenue comes from their healthcare businesses outside of insurance, including software companies. My guess is somebody who was denied coverage for something.
Yeah, their denial rate is twice the industry average (32% vs 16%)
 
United Healthcare CEO murdered in New York this morning.
Really shocking. It's in a completely safe area of NYC. 6:45 a.m. and he gets killed on the street.

Assume its an upset doctor or patient with a vendetta.

It could be one of the multitude of people they laid off this year to increase profits for shareholders.

It could be an American worker that is upset that their premiums have gone up every year for the last 20 years, while their coverage has gone down every year over the same period.

It could be someone whose claim was denied for a large medical bill.

It could be someone whose relative died because they could not get the treatment they needed because it wasn't covered.

It could be a doctor upset that their patients were regularly not covered for procedures they need.

The list of motives are endless, which kind of beckons back to the title of this thread.
Yeah but many of those people are not professional hit men or use silencers
Yet he oddly exited the scene on a Citibike - which requires a credit card to use, and likely has GPS tracking...Odd.
Criminals are generally not the smartest folks. Hope they catch him.
I think there's a decent chance that they won't. If the shooter wasn't known to Thompson, the fact that he wasn't apprehended at the scene probably means he got away with it. That assumes that he didn't do something manifestly stupid like using his own credit card to check out his Citibike. But if this guy went through enough planning to figure out where Thompson was going to be at a specific time on a specific day, with a plan for how to commit the murder and what escape route to use, he probably didn't make an obviously dumb mistake that all of us would think of in the first 15 seconds.
 
United Healthcare CEO murdered in New York this morning.
Really shocking. It's in a completely safe area of NYC. 6:45 a.m. and he gets killed on the street.

Assume its an upset doctor or patient with a vendetta.

It could be one of the multitude of people they laid off this year to increase profits for shareholders.

It could be an American worker that is upset that their premiums have gone up every year for the last 20 years, while their coverage has gone down every year over the same period.

It could be someone whose claim was denied for a large medical bill.

It could be someone whose relative died because they could not get the treatment they needed because it wasn't covered.

It could be a doctor upset that their patients were regularly not covered for procedures they need.

The list of motives are endless, which kind of beckons back to the title of this thread.
Yeah but many of those people are not professional hit men or use silencers
Yet he oddly exited the scene on a Citibike - which requires a credit card to use, and likely has GPS tracking...Odd.
Criminals are generally not the smartest folks. Hope they catch him.
I think there's a decent chance that they won't. If the shooter wasn't known to Thompson, the fact that he wasn't apprehended at the scene probably means he got away with it. That assumes that he didn't do something manifestly stupid like using his own credit card to check out his Citibike. But if this guy went through enough planning to figure out where Thompson was going to be at a specific time on a specific day, with a plan for how to commit the murder and what escape route to use, he probably didn't make an obviously dumb mistake that all of us would think of in the first 15 seconds.
Especially given how quickly NYPD was one the scene. Basically the Citibike was the best and quickest mode of escape provided he didn't use his info to get it.
 
I find myself in a weird place as this news is sinking in.

I would NEVER condone or celebrate somebody’s murder, but if I’m being honest, I find myself thinking less about the victim, and more about all the families of the people his company denied health insurance to.
 
something very american about grabbing a starbucks before committing a murder.

Please spare us the attempt at jokes or "observations". We don't want them ever but especially not on the first day.
I think it’s actually fairly interesting that he would go get a drink at a place surrounded by cameras theoretically shortly before he did this. I’m assuming they’ll be trying to pull those cameras first.
 
something very american about grabbing a starbucks before committing a murder.

Please spare us the attempt at jokes or "observations". We don't want them ever but especially not on the first day.
I think it’s actually fairly interesting that he would go get a drink at a place surrounded by cameras theoretically shortly before he did this. I’m assuming they’ll be trying to pull those cameras first.
Continuing that line of thinking, it’s more than a little interest that seems to be the only photo they are releasing. Either the police are holding back info for the investigation or the guy knows where the other cameras are and avoided them on the way in (presumably on an ebike) and the way out. If it’s the later, short of getting lucky with a fingerprint/DNA, he’s going to be hard to find.
 
There aren’t that many high profile murders that go unsolved are there? I think it is like 90% they find this guy, and likely very soon.
 
something very american about grabbing a starbucks before committing a murder.

Please spare us the attempt at jokes or "observations". We don't want them ever but especially not on the first day.
I think it’s actually fairly interesting that he would go get a drink at a place surrounded by cameras theoretically shortly before he did this. I’m assuming they’ll be trying to pull those cameras first.
I agree. I thought it was a good “observation “ from @Chemical X
I don't think Chem knew the police were going to release a photo of the man with half his face in the shot but in hind sight it was a pretty good observation and police lucked out that they got a decent shot of the guy

My impression is this guy is some type of ex-military or one of those security companies that does a lot of work in the Middle East, looks like a very well trained assassin that knows what he is doing, the ability to stay that calm and never really break into a sprint leaving the scene, he looked like he didn't have a care in the world

The CEO never saw him, was shot in the back and almost jumped to the wall and tried to turn around only to be shot again and then maybe a couple more as the shooter keeps walking.
Jason Bourne level hit man here, doesn't feel like a MOB hit. What I am trying to figure out is the true motive. DOJ charges for insider trading were looming, hard to tell what role that played in all of this but I'm sure they are going to dig deep. Not sure they will catch this hit man any time soon. My guess is he's already in another country
 
something very american about grabbing a starbucks before committing a murder.

Please spare us the attempt at jokes or "observations". We don't want them ever but especially not on the first day.
I think it’s actually fairly interesting that he would go get a drink at a place surrounded by cameras theoretically shortly before he did this. I’m assuming they’ll be trying to pull those cameras first.
I agree. I thought it was a good “observation “ from @Chemical X

The mods get very strict about any sort of perceived humor in threads like this even though humor is as legitimate a way to process tragedy/grief as any. So long as the humor is channeled properly and isn’t directed at the victim, I don’t know what the problem is, but these aren’t my boards.
 
I find myself in a weird place as this news is sinking in.

I would NEVER condone or celebrate somebody’s murder, but if I’m being honest, I find myself thinking less about the victim, and more about all the families of the people his company denied health insurance to.
Similar here. And then they mentioned on the news how his company declines 32% of some sort of claims, while the industry average is half that, at 16%? That is glaring. I couldn't help but think about it, and also how it would feel to know you're somewhat in charge of those facts? To what degree, who knows, but it's no wonder some of his peers have guards, especially in this day and age.

And now I just read upthread about some insider trading investigation? Hope that is not true. And yes, it's still just awful and so f'd up.

I actually ended up thinking more about his wife and children, especially when they put faces and smiles to them. That picture, brutal. Man those poor kids.
 
Health insurance companies provide a valuable service. My family, including me personally, have benefitted a lot from having affordable access to health care when we needed it. I'm not putting Blue Cross Blue Shield on my Christmas card list or anything because I know this is just a commercial transaction, but I'm glad they do what they do.
 
Health insurance companies provide a valuable service. My family, including me personally, have benefitted a lot from having affordable access to health care when we needed it. I'm not putting Blue Cross Blue Shield on my Christmas card list or anything because I know this is just a commercial transaction, but I'm glad they do what they do.
95-99% of people would be much better off keeping the premiums and investing the money themselves, and then paying out of pocket for expenses.
 
ABC news: Written on the shell casings were the words “deny,” “defend” and “depose,” according to sources.

Two other tidbits: Professional killer appears unlikely; The killer apparently had some knowledge of Thompson's schedule on Wednesday and the fact that he would be arriving at the Hilton well before the company meeting was to begin
 
Health insurance companies provide a valuable service. My family, including me personally, have benefitted a lot from having affordable access to health care when we needed it. I'm not putting Blue Cross Blue Shield on my Christmas card list or anything because I know this is just a commercial transaction, but I'm glad they do what they do.
95-99% of people would be much better off keeping the premiums and investing the money themselves, and then paying out of pocket for expenses.
What stops them
 
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