Vernon Davis vs. Greg Olsen (1 Viewer)

[fun-b]

Both play for terrible quarterbacks. Both have a lot of hype to live up to. Both have tremendous potential.

'07 Stats

Vernon Davis - 52 rec, 509 yds, 4 tds (14 games started)

Greg Olsen - 39 rec, 391 yds, 2 tds (4 games started, 14 games total)

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Which one of these tight ends will have a better 2008 in a PPR league?

 

[KellysHeroes]

VD is the Matt Jones of TEs

 

[teamroc]

VD is the Matt Jones of TEs

Pretty much.Berrian leaving will be a big boost, like Glenn being hurt for the Cowboys boosted Witten.Olsen is probably the best pass catcher they have, by far. 65-70 catches should be fairly easy.

 

[Max Power]

While I do think Olsen is a better TE than Davis....I'm going to have to give the nod to Vern. The 49ers as a whole have so much more going for them right now. Chicago is in shambles.

Martz >>>>>> Turner

Johnson/Bruce >>> Bradley/Booker

Gore >>>>>>>>> Benson/?????

A.Smith > Grossman

Davis << Olsen

The Bears O-line is a mess, the running game is still a huge question, Grossman is Grossman, and the WR corps is Old/unproven/disapointing and inexperianced. I'd stay away from any Bear this season. They will no doubt lead the NFL in 3 and outs.

 

[identikit]

While I do think Olsen is a better TE than Davis....I'm going to have to give the nod to Vern. The 49ers as a whole have so much more going for them right now. Chicago is in shambles.

Martz >>>>>> Turner

Johnson/Bruce >>> Bradley/Booker

Gore >>>>>>>>> Benson/?????

A.Smith > Grossman

Davis << Olsen

The Bears O-line is a mess, the running game is still a huge question, Grossman is Grossman, and the WR corps is Old/unproven/disapointing and inexperianced. I'd stay away from any Bear this season. They will no doubt lead the NFL in 3 and outs.

Did you mean the bolded comment?Just curious....

 

[Donnybrook]

I say Olsen since the TE position has been non-existent in a Martz offense.

 

[Sudoku_in_the_Bathtub]

Nice quote on the "Matt Jones of TE's". Really couldn't of put it better. The guy just has no feel at all for the game. Olsen looks like a natural out there.

I still say Desmond Clark will take enough time (at least early on) to make Davis the superior option for 2008. Long term, I'd w/o question take Olsen. And have the luxury of doing so many rounds later.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

You get a good idea of what Olsen can do with even half a QB during weeks 5-8 last year when Griese played instead of Grossman. Olsen had 28 targets, 19 catches, 227 yards, and 2 TD's. Nice projection for a full season.

 

[Tanner9919]

VD is the Matt Jones of TEs

good post! Vernon Davis will never develop into the Pro Bowl player that many envisioned when he was drafted, ESPECIALLY not now, not with Mike Martz calling plays in SF. the TE position is useless in a Martz offense.

 

[JPeso]

While I do think Olsen is a better TE than Davis....I'm going to have to give the nod to Vern. The 49ers as a whole have so much more going for them right now. Chicago is in shambles.

Martz >>>>>> Turner

Johnson/Bruce >>> Bradley/Booker

Gore >>>>>>>>> Benson/?????

A.Smith > Grossman

Davis << Olsen

The Bears O-line is a mess, the running game is still a huge question, Grossman is Grossman, and the WR corps is Old/unproven/disapointing and inexperianced. I'd stay away from any Bear this season. They will no doubt lead the NFL in 3 and outs.

Did you mean the bolded comment?

I question 4 of those comments. And I am pretty sure Hester will get a chance to start at WR.

 

[Blackjacks]

I really like Olson put have to go VD here. He has slowly came along the last two years with over doubling his catches, almost doubling his yards and getting more td's from his rookie year to his sophmore season. Everyone is down on him cause of Martz coming to town in my thoughts what Martz does best is get the ball in his best players hands. All the haters' say Martz is a cancer for a te. That is his system doesn't work good for a te.....who has he ever had? I think Martz keeps the improvement going this year with VD and he'll end up in the top 5 with 60-65 catches, 800 yards and 7 td's

I do like Olsen again to be a top 10 guy but just not better than VD.

 

[Knight who says Ni]

I know this wasn't the question, but like Olsen primarily because he isn't on a lot of people's radars at the moment - while people will still be reaching for Davis early, I imagine Olsen can be snagged pretty late in the draft

Ni

 

[a_rackowski]

Difference is Martz has already said he would line Davis up in the slot quite often. Detroit didtn have the guy at TE to do that and neither did St Louis. Slot receivers in Martz offense have always been used quite often. Davis has the skills to play the slot and is going to cause matchup Nightmares.

Vernon Davis has one thing holding him back and that is his proneness to injury. Martz will give him every opportunity to be great. My money would be on Davis turning into that probowl guy as soon as this year.

 

[Max Power]

While I do think Olsen is a better TE than Davis....I'm going to have to give the nod to Vern. The 49ers as a whole have so much more going for them right now. Chicago is in shambles.

Martz >>>>>> Turner

Johnson/Bruce >>> Bradley/Booker

Gore >>>>>>>>> Benson/?????

A.Smith > Grossman

Davis << Olsen

The Bears O-line is a mess, the running game is still a huge question, Grossman is Grossman, and the WR corps is Old/unproven/disapointing and inexperianced. I'd stay away from any Bear this season. They will no doubt lead the NFL in 3 and outs.

Did you mean the bolded comment?

I question 4 of those comments. And I am pretty sure Hester will get a chance to start at WR.

Yes, I would take Olsen over Davis fantasy wise if both had equal talent around them. I just don't think it is very close on that level.Peso...Lets hear it. I think you really need to limit expectations for Hester. I'm not sure why people think the guy only needs some coaching to become a legit WR in the NFL. He will never be more than a slot guy. All-World kick/punt return skills don't necessarily translate to WR.

 

[eric rymer]

I really like Olson put have to go VD here. He has slowly came along the last two years with over doubling his catches, almost doubling his yards and getting more td's from his rookie year to his sophmore season. Everyone is down on him cause of Martz coming to town in my thoughts what Martz does best is get the ball in his best players hands. All the haters' say Martz is a cancer for a te. That is his system doesn't work good for a te.....who has he ever had? I think Martz keeps the improvement going this year with VD and he'll end up in the top 5 with 60-65 catches, 800 yards and 7 td'sI do like Olsen again to be a top 10 guy but just not better than VD.

I just traded for Davis on the cheap based on the same line of thought. Martz has never had a TE with the physical skills of Davis.

 

[KellysHeroes]

I really like Olson put have to go VD here. He has slowly came along the last two years with over doubling his catches, almost doubling his yards and getting more td's from his rookie year to his sophmore season. Everyone is down on him cause of Martz coming to town in my thoughts what Martz does best is get the ball in his best players hands. All the haters' say Martz is a cancer for a te. That is his system doesn't work good for a te.....who has he ever had? I think Martz keeps the improvement going this year with VD and he'll end up in the top 5 with 60-65 catches, 800 yards and 7 td'sI do like Olsen again to be a top 10 guy but just not better than VD.

I just traded for Davis on the cheap based on the same line of thought. Martz has never had a TE with the physical skills of Davis.

VD isn't going to be able to learn that offense in time.... in the pros; you need more than Physical Tools

 

[brock]

You get a good idea of what Olsen can do with even half a QB during weeks 5-8 last year when Griese played instead of Grossman. Olsen had 28 targets, 19 catches, 227 yards, and 2 TD's. Nice projection for a full season.

griese is gone and back with tampa now. bears are back down to 1/10 a QB.

 

[brock]

two years ago people were saying winslow was a bust and would never live up to expectations.

 

[duaneok66]

VD had issues with learning terminology before Martz, and Martz's playbook is the "War and Peace" of playbooks . . .

VD is going to continue to struggle . . .

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Name a TE who has had success under Mike Martz for $400?

Name a TE in the past 5 seasons that has had career like numbers in the Chicago Offense? Now name a highly touted TE that is going to take over for that fading vet in the CHicago Offense?

Just trying to keep this on point. THe fact 53% of the Shark pool is still buying the Vernon Davis Kool Aid is just dandy.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I think Olsen is a much better football player than Vernon Davis, but the fact that the Bears just gave Desmond Clark a 2-year extension cannot be ignored when projecting numbers. Clark is still a better blocker than Olsen which means there is no way Olsen plays as many downs as Davis will for SF (given health).

 

[Big Score]

VD had issues with learning terminology before Martz, and Martz's playbook is the "War and Peace" of playbooks . . .VD is going to continue to struggle . . .

I read somewhere that last year VD had serious trouble learning the offense...running his routes wrong, pulling up when he should've gone deep, turning left when he should've been turning right...etc...etc...etc...Those were just basic route running mistakes. Now when he ran a route that called for him to actually think & adjust it to compensate for the D changing up their coverage from what they'd initially shown before the snap, it was a lost cause.If he couldn't learn Hostetler's extremely vanilla O, no way in tarnation he'll be able to digest Mad Mike Martz's O.I hate to say it, but plain & simply...he's just too stupid.

 

[Yenrub]

Name a TE who has had success under Mike Martz for $400?

Name a TE in the past 5 seasons that has had career like numbers in the Chicago Offense? Now name a highly touted TE that is going to take over for that fading vet in the CHicago Offense?

Just trying to keep this on point. THe fact 53% of the Shark pool is still buying the Vernon Davis Kool Aid is just dandy.

Roland Williams back in 1999 is probably the most successful TE under MartzHe was 13th TE per Pro Football Reference

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[THEBUTCHER]

I say Olsen since the TE position has been non-existent in a Martz offense.

I couldn't agree more. There hasn't been a reliable pass catching TE that has produced in a Martz system that I can recall.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Name a TE who has had success under Mike Martz for $400?

Name a TE in the past 5 seasons that has had career like numbers in the Chicago Offense? Now name a highly touted TE that is going to take over for that fading vet in the CHicago Offense?

Just trying to keep this on point. THe fact 53% of the Shark pool is still buying the Vernon Davis Kool Aid is just dandy.

Roland Williams back in 1999 is probably the most successful TE under MartzHe was 13th TE per Pro Football Reference

Link

Great avatar. 13th? So in a 12 team league he wasn't even a TE1 for any team. 1999?...long time ago in a galaxy far far away.

 

[Max Power]

Can someone please list for me the TE's Martz has had to work with...

 

[FBGPoker]

Can someone please list for me the TE's Martz has had to work with...

The Martz history of using TE's theory is lame since he's never even had an average TE.Also he's never had a TE who can play the slot WR role (which Martz uses a ton).

 

[teamroc]

Can someone please list for me the TE's Martz has had to work with...

The Martz history of using TE's theory is lame since he's never even had an average TE.Also he's never had a TE who can play the slot WR role (which Martz uses a ton).

Is VD average? Below? Above? That's up for debate.Back to your point, now that Martz has the uber stud VD, he's going to change his offense, his system, to work the TE in. A system that has won SBs. Martz runs his offense, and it's to the WRs. VD running wrong routes (ala Mike Williams) won't get too far with Martz. I don't see Martz bending over backwards to fit in VD. Martz will do his thing, if VD can work his way in so be it, but I don't expect a Reggie Bush situation where they force him the ball every 2nd play.1) VD isn't that good2) Martz hasn't used the TE position much the last 10 years='sbreakout year for VD.Mmmkay.