Very interesting article about the Skins and Broncos (1 Viewer)

[PMENFAN]

Something that seems to be slipping thru the cracks here (if true)...why are the Broncos willing to trade Al Wilson? The guy's a top of the line LB who's loss would be pretty substantial to that defense.Right now it looks like the Redskins infatuation with Bly is like a fantasy owner being in love with a player the day before the draft. The guy's a solid CB but I don't see the need to do everything possible to acquire him.

In case it isn't obvious I'm a Bronco homer, but IMO I can see why and I agree.Wilsons shoulders are shot, and he can't wrap up. Plus he is having surgery for the third offseason in a row I beleive on his hand that doesn't allow him to grip either (and subsequently not catch any balls).He is a great leader who plays with a lot of grit and determination, but he is past his prime.The coaches were not happy with the LB play last year, in particular Gold and Wilson. Gold has minimal trade value, whereas Wilson has trade value.

As a Pats fan I'll be happy to see him out of a Bronco uniform. The guy just blows them up every time they play. I don't watch him play every game so I didn't realize his shoulders were that bad.

That's what I thought. I see Wilson as a beast, but I don't see all the games. I thought their line fell apart last season, putting linemen on the backers, taking the speed advantage away. I don't see all the Bronco games, but that's what I saw in the little I did see. The scheme was speed, and they lost the advantage with the linemen getting to the second tier. The blitzes become less effective, the speed advantage goes away, the scheme unravels. The DC gets fired. We could have signed Graham and traded him for Wilson, if you wanted to dump him. How about Wilson for Rashad Baker? A young safety for the Broncos to develop? The whole thinkg just seems to convoluted, with the Broncos giving up way, way to much to get one drafr pick, with too little time to replace the parts they're viging up. They're not a team that far off to give up that much. Sounds more like wishful thinking from the writer than actual trade talks.

 

[redman]

The whole thinkg just seems to convoluted, with the Broncos giving up way, way to much to get one drafr pick, with too little time to replace the parts they're viging up. They're not a team that far off to give up that much. Sounds more like wishful thinking from the writer than actual trade talks.

In theory, the teams best able to utilize the single high draft pick are the teams that are elite or one tier down from elite, and Denver qualifies in that regard IMHO. They may think that by adding one of the top D-linemen in the draft that will put them over the top. They certainly do seem to be targeting one or two particular players. They're pretty well set elsewhere on their roster. On the flip side, a team like the Redskins or other teams that have multiple needs are better off "breaking up" that high pick into multiple picks that can add depth/talent to as many spots as possible. The proposed deal makes sense in that context.

 

[rascal]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/...5402690,00.html

The agent for cornerback Dré Bly on Wednesday threw a bucket of cold water on persistent speculation that the cornerback is unhappy with last week's trade that brought the two-time Pro Bowl player to Denver.

"I've had nothing but positive dialogue with the Broncos," Kennard McGuire said. "There hasn't been one negative element in play."

Bly, part of a three-player, two-draft-pick trade after four seasons with the Detroit Lions, reportedly was angling for a deal to join the Washington Redskins on the heels of that previous deal.

Reasons for his alleged displeasure have centered in reports on the proximity of Bly's hometown to the D.C. area and the fact that talks had begun on a long-term contract with the Redskins before Denver jumped into the fray.

But Bly has yet to come out publicly against the deal. And last week, Champ Bailey, who figures to pair with Bly to form one of the NFL's top cornerback tandems, said that in his talks with his new teammate, before and after the Broncos deal, Bly was excited about his new situation.

McGuire seconded that notion.

"Obviously, he's very excited to be there and has not expressed anything else," he said.

As for all the rumors regarding Bly's mind-set, McGuire had opted to say nothing, because it was out of his control.

"I'm quite finished with this," he said.

Bly is expected to be in town near the start of the April 2 offseason conditioning program.

 

[SSOG]

I would just like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to Mike Shanahan for bringing sexy back to trading in the NFL.Before the Champ/Portis swap, trades were extremely rare. They've been picking up steam ever since.

Thanking Shanny is all well and good, but don't forget to thank the Redskins, too. No doubt Shanny never would have been as active if he hadn't had such a kind and generous team willing to give him so much for so little.

Again, the Betts talk was before Denver signed Henry.Reportedly Saints offered a fourth for Bly, but Denver said no. I heard somewhere that they were going to offer a second but I doubt that. If they had Denver would have already accepted and Bly would be celebrating down in NO.Denver is going to want Tatum+Foster value for Bly, not just Bly value alone.

Of course you assume that Tatum + Foster value > Bly value alone.

I think that's a pretty bad assumption, since speculation was that Denver was going to cut Foster outright, and they've not shown a history of attachment to any RB in particular (this marks the 4th straight season Denver has parted ways with last year's leading rusher).Basically, Denver traded a guy they were going to cut and a guy they weren't particularly attached to for a pro-bowl player at a position of need. I don't think they're going to require an exceptional deal to part with Bly, since they probably feel they got Bly in an exceptional deal, anyway.With that said, I think if someone does trade with Denver for Bly, they're going to look silly in the long run... just because that tends to be the result. Denver's come out smelling like roses from pretty much every trade they've made in the Shanahan era.

Talk to any NFL scout or exec and they would agree.

I highly doubt that. Cornerbacks and Quarterbacks are the highest-paid positions in the league. You know what that tells me? GMs think that Cornerbacks and Quarterbacks are the most valuable positions. Likewise, RBs and RTs tend to be pretty low-paid, relatively, so GMs think they aren't very important at all. I think if you showed a trade where one side got a Pro Bowl CB and the other side got a mediocre RB and RT, the execs would favor the CB. All three players are in the last year of their contract, so that aspect is a wash.Detroit got less than market value for Bly, simply because everyone knew that Detroit had to move him.

 

[rascal]

I would just like to take this opportunity to express my gratitude to Mike Shanahan for bringing sexy back to trading in the NFL.Before the Champ/Portis swap, trades were extremely rare. They've been picking up steam ever since.

Thanking Shanny is all well and good, but don't forget to thank the Redskins, too. No doubt Shanny never would have been as active if he hadn't had such a kind and generous team willing to give him so much for so little.

Again, the Betts talk was before Denver signed Henry.Reportedly Saints offered a fourth for Bly, but Denver said no. I heard somewhere that they were going to offer a second but I doubt that. If they had Denver would have already accepted and Bly would be celebrating down in NO.Denver is going to want Tatum+Foster value for Bly, not just Bly value alone.

Of course you assume that Tatum + Foster value > Bly value alone.

I think that's a pretty bad assumption, since speculation was that Denver was going to cut Foster outright, and they've not shown a history of attachment to any RB in particular (this marks the 4th straight season Denver has parted ways with last year's leading rusher).Basically, Denver traded a guy they were going to cut and a guy they weren't particularly attached to for a pro-bowl player at a position of need. I don't think they're going to require an exceptional deal to part with Bly, since they probably feel they got Bly in an exceptional deal, anyway.With that said, I think if someone does trade with Denver for Bly, they're going to look silly in the long run... just because that tends to be the result. Denver's come out smelling like roses from pretty much every trade they've made in the Shanahan era.

Talk to any NFL scout or exec and they would agree.

I highly doubt that. Cornerbacks and Quarterbacks are the highest-paid positions in the league. You know what that tells me? GMs think that Cornerbacks and Quarterbacks are the most valuable positions. Likewise, RBs and RTs tend to be pretty low-paid, relatively, so GMs think they aren't very important at all. I think if you showed a trade where one side got a Pro Bowl CB and the other side got a mediocre RB and RT, the execs would favor the CB. All three players are in the last year of their contract, so that aspect is a wash.Detroit got less than market value for Bly, simply because everyone knew that Detroit had to move him.

Exactly. Bly is worth more then Foster and Tatum combined.