Vick accepts plea deal (1 Viewer)

[CrossEyed]

So where does he go in a dynasty draft now?

 

[reg]

Sirius is reporting 10 to 16 months in jail for Vick.

That's bad reporting; the judge decides what the sentence is.

NFL network reporting 10 to 12 months for Vick.

Both of these are just bad reporting... the plea has a recommended sentence of 18 to 36 months, so 18 is the minimum he is going to get. The judge could also sentence him to more than 36 months, as the recommended sentence is only a recommendation -- it is not a promise or guarantee that the sentence will fall in that range.Also, when he is done serving federal time, he is going to start serving state time, which is not even close to being decided yet.

Wrong.

How is it wrong?

Probably because he hasn't been convicted of anything on the state level, so saying he is going to start serving time when he is done with his fed time would be bad reporting.

 

[dgreen]

So where does he go in a dynasty draft now?

12 teams? 25-man roster? I'd guess someone would take a chance in that last couple rounds.I offered a 3rd round rookie pick about a month ago and was turned down.

 

[GroveDiesel]

So it's official, he'll soon be converted from a quarterback to a wide receiver.

 

[Jason Wood]

There's is NO way, IMO, that he's pleading guilty to the entire indictment...If so, then his lawyers did a terrible job of negotiating any plea

You can't plead guilty to only part of 1 indictment, right?

The prosecution can allow someone to plead to whatever charges they want to if the prosecution decides to drop the other outstanding charges.In this case, Vick is agreeing in principal to the recommendations of the prosecution (in this case apparently 18-36 months). However, the judge can sentence Vick to whateve he deems is appropriate. It could be the range the parties agreed to, longer, or shorter. But it's up to the judge, not Vick and not the prosecution.And there are still pending state charges, and I'm pretty sure that the feds outcome doesnot wipe out what the state prosecutors are doing.

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

 

[maccabees]

Sirius is reporting 10 to 16 months in jail for Vick.

That's bad reporting; the judge decides what the sentence is.

NFL network reporting 10 to 12 months for Vick.

Both of these are just bad reporting... the plea has a recommended sentence of 18 to 36 months, so 18 is the minimum he is going to get. The judge could also sentence him to more than 36 months, as the recommended sentence is only a recommendation -- it is not a promise or guarantee that the sentence will fall in that range.Also, when he is done serving federal time, he is going to start serving state time, which is not even close to being decided yet.

Wrong.

How is it wrong?

It may not be correct but this is the information thats being put out there.

 

[RenegadeGM]

I wonder how fellow inmates view a dogfighting ringleader.

Good thing a lot of these guys probably spent their Sundays (if allowed) watching him.

 

[Enderdog]

So what do the Falcons have to do to recoup some of the money paid to Vick?

 

[ceo3west]

2. PR nightmare

I think some people are overestimating how much the average NFL customer will care about this in a couple years.

Agreed.

It's not about the average NFL Customer... it's about the PR the team that dares to sign him will endure by non-customers (special interest groups), leading into the media which ends with the general public.Who wants to deal with that for Micheal Vick?

Ray Lewis was present when somebody was murderedmurdered someone and nobody even cares anymore!!!! You guys are nuts if you think anyone is gonna give #$%* about dogfighting charges in 2+ years.

Corrected.

 

[RenegadeGM]

So where does he go in a dynasty draft now?

12 teams? 25-man roster? I'd guess someone would take a chance in that last couple rounds.I offered a 3rd round rookie pick about a month ago and was turned down.

I'm stuck with him and would take the last pick in the last round for him... but there's no way I'd get that now.He'll be cut at roster trimming time.

 

[salmonstud]

My question is how many owners are going to name their fantasy football team "Bad Newz Kennels" this year?

 

[redman]

Say it ain't so, Ookie. Say it ain't so.

 

[Big Sug]

His lawyers will never be confused with the dream team. Good riddance.

ummm, OJ didn't have every other defendant in a federal multiple defendant case flip on him.i'm 99% sure Vick's lawyers have done the best job possible. there are very few options in a situation like his.

 

[RenegadeGM]

My question is how many owners are going to name their fantasy football team "Bad Newz Kennels" this year?

Vick-related team names are jumping the shark already. Every league/mock seems to have at least one Vick's Doggy Day Care or Atlanta Pitbulls squad...

 

[thehornet]

Sirius is reporting 10 to 16 months in jail for Vick.

That's bad reporting; the judge decides what the sentence is.

NFL network reporting 10 to 12 months for Vick.

Both of these are just bad reporting... the plea has a recommended sentence of 18 to 36 months, so 18 is the minimum he is going to get. The judge could also sentence him to more than 36 months, as the recommended sentence is only a recommendation -- it is not a promise or guarantee that the sentence will fall in that range.Also, when he is done serving federal time, he is going to start serving state time, which is not even close to being decided yet.

Wrong.

How is it wrong?

The burden of proof all lies with the state being able to prove their charges occured in the specific county. The state must prove that all the charges were committed within the county charged. Not easy. actually impossible.Lastly, Vick has just been sentenced by the federal government - he almost has an unspoken immunity from pile on charges by the state - but that is far from certain, jut my opinion.

 

[suchislife]

So what do the Falcons have to do to recoup some of the money paid to Vick?

Listening to Sal Pal on ESPNews right now...Basically per Blank they will wait for the guilty plea to be entered and see exactly what he's pleading guilty to. Then they will wait to see what Goodell does as that will affect how they go after the remaining money. IF he's suspended, then Vick is in default of his contract and make it easier for the Falcons to recoup the money.

 

[Stabmug]

2. PR nightmare

I think some people are overestimating how much the average NFL customer will care about this in a couple years.

Agreed.

It's not about the average NFL Customer... it's about the PR the team that dares to sign him will endure by non-customers (special interest groups), leading into the media which ends with the general public.Who wants to deal with that for Micheal Vick?

Ray Lewis murdered someone and nobody even cares anymore!!!! You guys are nuts if you think anyone is gonna give #$%* about dogfighting charges in 2+ years.

Ray Lewis was not incriminated. Besides, in our crazy messed up world, there are more special interest groups willing to make noise over Animal Rights than Human Rights when it comes to making an example out of an NFL Player.I also don't recall protesting at Baltimore as a result of the Ray Lewis story or NAACP feeling the need to get involved. Bigger story already.

 

[David Yudkin]

There's is NO way, IMO, that he's pleading guilty to the entire indictment...If so, then his lawyers did a terrible job of negotiating any plea

You can't plead guilty to only part of 1 indictment, right?

The prosecution can allow someone to plead to whatever charges they want to if the prosecution decides to drop the other outstanding charges.In this case, Vick is agreeing in principal to the recommendations of the prosecution (in this case apparently 18-36 months). However, the judge can sentence Vick to whateve he deems is appropriate. It could be the range the parties agreed to, longer, or shorter. But it's up to the judge, not Vick and not the prosecution.And there are still pending state charges, and I'm pretty sure that the feds outcome doesnot wipe out what the state prosecutors are doing.

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

I thought the same thing until the other day I say a story where the state prosecutors would be filing 8 counts of dog cruelty with up to 5 years in jail for each count. They also said they planned to pursue that case regardless of the outcome in the federal case even if Vick made a deal. That's what was reported, and I'm no more of an attorney than you are.

 

[thehornet]

2. PR nightmare

I think some people are overestimating how much the average NFL customer will care about this in a couple years.

Agreed.

It's not about the average NFL Customer... it's about the PR the team that dares to sign him will endure by non-customers (special interest groups), leading into the media which ends with the general public.Who wants to deal with that for Micheal Vick?

Ray Lewis was present when somebody was murderedmurdered someone and nobody even cares anymore!!!! You guys are nuts if you think anyone is gonna give #$%* about dogfighting charges in 2+ years.

Corrected.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

 

[David Yudkin]

So what do the Falcons have to do to recoup some of the money paid to Vick?

Listening to Sal Pal on ESPNews right now...Basically per Blank they will wait for the guilty plea to be entered and see exactly what he's pleading guilty to. Then they will wait to see what Goodell does as that will affect how they go after the remaining money. IF he's suspended, then Vick is in default of his contract and make it easier for the Falcons to recoup the money.

By my math, ATL could go after 80% of Vick's signing bonus (80% of $37 million). I'm not sure what would happen if Vick alleges the money is gone and he can't pay it back.

 

[simey]

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

On ESPN a few minutes ago, a lawyer on there said Poindexter (Virginia's Attorney General) does plan on going after Vick, but Vick's lawyers are not worried about that.

 

[Big Sug]

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

this is correct, Vick will not face state charges unless the state is coming up with some case that has nothing to do with what is in the federal indictment. and that is very unlikely.

 

[saintfool]

If he spends more than 12 months in jail, call it a career...

 

[ceo3west]

2. PR nightmare

I think some people are overestimating how much the average NFL customer will care about this in a couple years.

Agreed.

It's not about the average NFL Customer... it's about the PR the team that dares to sign him will endure by non-customers (special interest groups), leading into the media which ends with the general public.Who wants to deal with that for Micheal Vick?

Ray Lewis was present when somebody was murderedmurdered someone and nobody even cares anymore!!!! You guys are nuts if you think anyone is gonna give #$%* about dogfighting charges in 2+ years.

Corrected.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm no Ray Lewis fan, but if you really think he murdered that person you're just living in fantasy land.

 

[Spartans Rule]

So where does he go in a dynasty draft now?

Probably not at all. Although, if I were in a league that had both very deep rosters and a scoring system that heavily favored running QBs (making Vick a regular in the top 5), I'd try to grab him in the last round or two and stash him away.

 

[suchislife]

I wonder how fellow inmates view a dogfighting ringleader.Good thing a lot of these guys probably spent their Sundays (if allowed) watching him.

I would bet there will be a few that want to see how they match up against an NFL player.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

All this means is that Petrino will draft Brohm in 2008.

 

[The Kansas Comet]

So what do the Falcons have to do to recoup some of the money paid to Vick?

From what I've read, they can't cut him if they want to recoup the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus he got. As he will be unable to play for at least 2007 (and probably beyond), for each year he is incarcerated and/or suspended, they can get the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus back (and of course, they're not going to be paying his base salary either). If they cut him, then they wouldn't be able to get any of it back. I believe the signing bonus was $37 million for his 10 year deal, so that would be $3.7 million per season.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

this is correct, Vick will not face state charges unless the state is coming up with some case that has nothing to do with what is in the federal indictment. and that is very unlikely.

Cruelty to animals is the charge Virginia has already said they would persue and one the feds are not.In Virginia that can be up to 5 years in prison for each animal. His willfulness in the cruelty is paramount.

 

[GroveDiesel]

There's is NO way, IMO, that he's pleading guilty to the entire indictment...If so, then his lawyers did a terrible job of negotiating any plea

You can't plead guilty to only part of 1 indictment, right?

The prosecution can allow someone to plead to whatever charges they want to if the prosecution decides to drop the other outstanding charges.In this case, Vick is agreeing in principal to the recommendations of the prosecution (in this case apparently 18-36 months). However, the judge can sentence Vick to whateve he deems is appropriate. It could be the range the parties agreed to, longer, or shorter. But it's up to the judge, not Vick and not the prosecution.And there are still pending state charges, and I'm pretty sure that the feds outcome doesnot wipe out what the state prosecutors are doing.

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

I thought the same thing until the other day I say a story where the state prosecutors would be filing 8 counts of dog cruelty with up to 5 years in jail for each count. They also said they planned to pursue that case regardless of the outcome in the federal case even if Vick made a deal. That's what was reported, and I'm no more of an attorney than you are.

Well, Poindexter has said a lot of things, most of which he has managed to contradict within days of first saying them. So I wouldn't put too much stock in what Poindexter said about pursuing state charges.

 

[Big Sug]

Cruelty to animals is the charge Virginia has already said they would persure and one the feds are not.

this would be a blatant violation of the 5th Amendment. it's not going to happen. i've seen stranger things, but my opinion is that the dog fighting cases against Mike Vick are completely over on the day he is sentenced.

 

[David Yudkin]

So what do the Falcons have to do to recoup some of the money paid to Vick?

From what I've read, they can't cut him if they want to recoup the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus he got. As he will be unable to play for at least 2007 (and probably beyond), for each year he is incarcerated and/or suspended, they can get the pro-rated portion of the signing bonus back (and of course, they're not going to be paying his base salary either). If they cut him, then they wouldn't be able to get any of it back. I believe the signing bonus was $37 million for his 10 year deal, so that would be $3.7 million per season.

IIRC, the CBA allows for salary cap relief while a player is under suspension, so I believe the Falcons will get a credit for his salary cap charge for this year (and longer if Vick has a long term suspension).

 

[anborn]

So what do the Falcons have to do to recoup some of the money paid to Vick?

Listening to Sal Pal on ESPNews right now...Basically per Blank they will wait for the guilty plea to be entered and see exactly what he's pleading guilty to. Then they will wait to see what Goodell does as that will affect how they go after the remaining money. IF he's suspended, then Vick is in default of his contract and make it easier for the Falcons to recoup the money.

By my math, ATL could go after 80% of Vick's signing bonus (80% of $37 million). I'm not sure what would happen if Vick alleges the money is gone and he can't pay it back.

he could file for bankruptcy i guess... heh. maybe afterwards he could be born again, find mc hammer, and put out 3rd rate rap albums.

 

[thehornet]

There's is NO way, IMO, that he's pleading guilty to the entire indictment...If so, then his lawyers did a terrible job of negotiating any plea

You can't plead guilty to only part of 1 indictment, right?

The prosecution can allow someone to plead to whatever charges they want to if the prosecution decides to drop the other outstanding charges.In this case, Vick is agreeing in principal to the recommendations of the prosecution (in this case apparently 18-36 months). However, the judge can sentence Vick to whateve he deems is appropriate. It could be the range the parties agreed to, longer, or shorter. But it's up to the judge, not Vick and not the prosecution.And there are still pending state charges, and I'm pretty sure that the feds outcome doesnot wipe out what the state prosecutors are doing.

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

I thought the same thing until the other day I say a story where the state prosecutors would be filing 8 counts of dog cruelty with up to 5 years in jail for each count. They also said they planned to pursue that case regardless of the outcome in the federal case even if Vick made a deal. That's what was reported, and I'm no more of an attorney than you are.

Well, Poindexter has said a lot of things, most of which he has managed to contradict within days of first saying them. So I wouldn't put too much stock in what Poindexter said about pursuing state charges.

Listen up ya'll. Vick will probably be sentenced to 18 months, if the report is correct in statinf the plea was 18-36 months. State will not pursue anything, imo, but if they do, it will be animal cruelty and he most definately will never see prison for that charge if convicted. Why, because the county needs to prove that the cruelty to animal charge took place inside the county charging which is quite possibly impossible to prove. just because those dogs were buried there doesnt mean they were killed there. anyways that my 2 cents.

 

[suchislife]

Per Roger something (sorry, forget last name):

Feds would agree to drop superseding indictment. Feds usually ask the local DA to not pursue additional charges, however they are free to press charges if they so choose. State authorities are still free to press charges.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Cruelty to animals is the charge Virginia has already said they would persure and one the feds are not.

this would be a blatant violation of the 5th Amendment. it's not going to happen. i've seen stranger things, but my opinion is that the dog fighting cases against Mike Vick are completely over on the day he is sentenced.

Please elaborate.This wont be about the dog fighting, but about the care of the dogs.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

There's is NO way, IMO, that he's pleading guilty to the entire indictment...If so, then his lawyers did a terrible job of negotiating any plea

You can't plead guilty to only part of 1 indictment, right?

The prosecution can allow someone to plead to whatever charges they want to if the prosecution decides to drop the other outstanding charges.In this case, Vick is agreeing in principal to the recommendations of the prosecution (in this case apparently 18-36 months). However, the judge can sentence Vick to whateve he deems is appropriate. It could be the range the parties agreed to, longer, or shorter. But it's up to the judge, not Vick and not the prosecution.And there are still pending state charges, and I'm pretty sure that the feds outcome doesnot wipe out what the state prosecutors are doing.

Again, I'm no lawyer and could stand to be corrected, but ESPN radio in NY had two lawyers on this weekend and both said quite emphatically that any successful outcome by the Federal prosecutors almost always supersedes further charges from lower jurisdictions. I have no Earthly idea if this is accurate or not, just passing along what I heard because I found it interesting. They both dismissed the notion of VA or anyone else going forward with more charges and said it's standard operating procedure in a federal plea agreement to get the other jurisdictions to back off before the defendant accepts a plea.

I thought the same thing until the other day I say a story where the state prosecutors would be filing 8 counts of dog cruelty with up to 5 years in jail for each count. They also said they planned to pursue that case regardless of the outcome in the federal case even if Vick made a deal. That's what was reported, and I'm no more of an attorney than you are.

Well, Poindexter has said a lot of things, most of which he has managed to contradict within days of first saying them. So I wouldn't put too much stock in what Poindexter said about pursuing state charges.

Listen up ya'll. Vick will probably be sentenced to 18 months, if the report is correct in statinf the plea was 18-36 months. State will not pursue anything, imo, but if they do, it will be animal cruelty and he most definately will never see prison for that charge if convicted. Why, because the county needs to prove that the cruelty to animal charge took place inside the county charging which is quite possibly impossible to prove. just because those dogs were buried there doesnt mean they were killed there. anyways that my 2 cents.

The state said they would await the evidence the feds have.If they go forward it will be because there is exacting evidence.

 

[Big Sug]

i misspoke regarding the 5th amendment. i'm pretty rusty.

double jeopardy does not attach in separate federal and state cases, so you're right that it's possible that a state case will pop up.

in my experience, which was in overlapping fed/state drug cases, this never happens.

but you are right that it could.

Cruelty to animals is the charge Virginia has already said they would persure and one the feds are not.

this would be a blatant violation of the 5th Amendment. it's not going to happen. i've seen stranger things, but my opinion is that the dog fighting cases against Mike Vick are completely over on the day he is sentenced.

Please elaborate.This wont be about the dog fighting, but about the care of the dogs.

 

[BigJim®]

Apparently Vick's lawyers are trying to understand whether Goodell would be willing to institute the suspension concurrent with Vick's prison term (according to SI's Peter King on SNF) and the league has been completely mum on whether it would consider that. Personally I think he's grasping at straws...I'm sure Goodell will do an open ended suspension and leave it that way until Vick is done his time, at which point he will have to appear before the commish and make a case for reinstatement. The idea that the NFL will somehow give in to Vick after this whole debacle and say, "OK, you can return to the NFL on such and such a date regardless of what happens from here" is delusional.

I think his career is over.

I agree with you, I think the most likely scenario is Goodell suspends him indefinitely...with the 2nd most likely scenario being an outright lifetime ban.

I think I read somewhere, probably PFT, that NFL suspensions can only run during the time a player is under contract. The problem for Vick is if he pleads guilty, Atlanta will surely immediately terminate his contract. If Goodell thereafter imposes a suspension, another team would need to sign him and pay him to do absolutely nothing but be a PR lightningrod until he can play again. Further, it is hard for me to imagine a team signing a contract with him while he is serving his jail sentence. "Indefinite" suspension would make it practically impossible for a team to justify the risk of signing him, without any assured light at the end of the tunnel to make up for the PR problem. As a best case scenario IMHO, Goodell would impose a 1-year suspension and he signs with some team immediately after being released from jail. Even then, a team would need to merely shelve him and carry the PR burden being associated with him for an entire year. It's hard to fathom any team doing something like that, and his suspension would never technically begin running until he can find a team that would.

 

[Homer]

2. PR nightmare

I think some people are overestimating how much the average NFL customer will care about this in a couple years.

Agreed.

It's not about the average NFL Customer... it's about the PR the team that dares to sign him will endure by non-customers (special interest groups), leading into the media which ends with the general public.Who wants to deal with that for Micheal Vick?

Ray Lewis was present when somebody was murderedmurdered someone and nobody even cares anymore!!!! You guys are nuts if you think anyone is gonna give #$%* about dogfighting charges in 2+ years.

Corrected.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm no Ray Lewis fan, but if you really think he murdered that person you're just living in fantasy land.

John Gotti didn't pull many triggers himself either, did he?

 

[thehornet]

i misspoke regarding the 5th amendment. i'm pretty rusty.

double jeopardy does not attach in separate federal and state cases, so you're right that it's possible that a state case will pop up.

in my experience, which was in overlapping fed/state drug cases, this never happens.

but you are right that it could.

Cruelty to animals is the charge Virginia has already said they would persure and one the feds are not.

this would be a blatant violation of the 5th Amendment. it's not going to happen. i've seen stranger things, but my opinion is that the dog fighting cases against Mike Vick are completely over on the day he is sentenced.

Please elaborate.This wont be about the dog fighting, but about the care of the dogs.

This is the last I am going to say about this topic, but here goes:Vick is being charge by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT on conspiracy and operating a dogfighting ring. These are VERY SERIOUS charges that he is going to prison for violating. The state charges will never be formally brought to court and the rest is history.

If you still are having a hard time believing, then answer these 2 questions:

Do you really think the state is gonna try to stick a little cruelty to animal charge on him after all of this?? Do you really think that the Federal and State government care about the animal rights activist and PETA groups' feelings?

 

[thehornet]

2. PR nightmare

I think some people are overestimating how much the average NFL customer will care about this in a couple years.

Agreed.

It's not about the average NFL Customer... it's about the PR the team that dares to sign him will endure by non-customers (special interest groups), leading into the media which ends with the general public.Who wants to deal with that for Micheal Vick?

Ray Lewis was present when somebody was murderedmurdered someone and nobody even cares anymore!!!! You guys are nuts if you think anyone is gonna give #$%* about dogfighting charges in 2+ years.

Corrected.

whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm no Ray Lewis fan, but if you really think he murdered that person you're just living in fantasy land.

John Gotti didn't pull many triggers himself either, did he?

my point exactly. The guy is practically a legend now.

 

[Da Guru]

My gut feeling is that Vicks NFL career is over. If he gets a couple of years in jail and a year or two from the NFL Vick will be 32-33 before he can play again.

Vick has never been an accurate passer, if he is away from football for even two years he will be worse, plus he will start to slow down a bit so the legs may be gone as well. What a waste.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

i misspoke regarding the 5th amendment. i'm pretty rusty.

double jeopardy does not attach in separate federal and state cases, so you're right that it's possible that a state case will pop up.

in my experience, which was in overlapping fed/state drug cases, this never happens.

but you are right that it could.

Cruelty to animals is the charge Virginia has already said they would persure and one the feds are not.

this would be a blatant violation of the 5th Amendment. it's not going to happen. i've seen stranger things, but my opinion is that the dog fighting cases against Mike Vick are completely over on the day he is sentenced.

Please elaborate.This wont be about the dog fighting, but about the care of the dogs.

This is the last I am going to say about this topic, but here goes:Vick is being charge by the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT on conspiracy and operating a dogfighting ring. These are VERY SERIOUS charges that he is going to prison for violating. The state charges will never be formally brought to court and the rest is history.

If you still are having a hard time believing, then answer these 2 questions:

Do you really think the state is gonna try to stick a little cruelty to animal charge on him after all of this?? Do you really think that the Federal and State government care about the animal rights activist and PETA groups' feelings?

A little cruelty This is NOT little in Virginia. Up to 5 years in prison for each animal. How many animals?

The state DA has stated they already plan on going after Vick, after they get the evidence the Feds are currently using.

Please do not say it anymore. ty

 

[nygiants56]

and, the state of NJ might STILL bring charges up against him, becuase he apparently/allegedly bought many dogs used in fights, from kennels in NJ and trucked them down to Va.

his Christmas goose is cooked. he'll never get out from under this..

not only did he tell a bold faced lie to the commish, but,if he pleads guilty to the wire fraud part of it, and the gambling, he's as good as banned for life..the nfl frowns upon gambling,bigtime...

my guess is, he goes straight from Leavenworth Fed prison, to Rahway State Prison ( now called East Jersey State Prison)

once NJ eats his balls for lunch..

 

[Gravity]

This is all kinda sad to me.

I Loved watching Vick play. And if he ever learned how to pass he could've been one of the all time greats.

I hope he gets what he deserves but its a shame for us football fans to no longer be able to watch him...

 

[CA_7]

Per ESPN, NFL reviewing things, requested Falcons to not take any actions but NFL is pissed Vick lied.

 

[tietzjd]

animal rights activist and PETA groups' feelings?

No but they do care about PETA the Lobby group.

 

[mad sweeney]

Per ESPN, NFL reviewing things, requested Falcons to not take any actions but NFL is pissed Vick lied.

Also said that details of the agreement are not going to be made public so all those outlets reporting the amount of time plead to are just speculating.Question for legal types. If you go into court and plead not guilty, then change your plea, why do they not tack on an extra charge of perjury?

 

[Block]

I'm sure I'm in the minority but I think if Vick shows genuine contrition at the time of his release, many people will be willing to forgive him. If that happens he would still be a cash cow in terms of jerseys, etc, if he returned in 2-3 years.