Vick blames Falcons OC for passing game woes (1 Viewer)

[BigRed]

Turnabout is fair play I guess http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2632684

Way to throw practically everyone but himself under the bus. lol - you go girlfriend!

Just make sure to get it to Dunn a lot, I may have to play him soon

 

[PatsWillWin]

wow. what a #####.

 

[Wadsworth]

Turnabout is fair play I guess http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2632684

Way to throw practically everyone but himself under the bus. lol - you go girlfriend!

Just make sure to get it to Dunn a lot, I may have to play him soon

Vick certainly gave bashers some excellent material here, but saying he threw "practically everyone but himself under the bus" is a bit strong. Offensive coaches and WRs, but that's not practically everyone.

 

[perry147]

Already being discussed in this thread.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...1198&st=150

 

[BigRed]

Vick certainly gave bashers some excellent material here, but saying he threw "practically everyone but himself under the bus" is a bit strong. Offensive coaches and WRs, but that's not practically everyone.

Fair enough. He's still an ay-hole though. Maybe little bro can use this as a "bad influence" excuse to stomp on another player. Perhaps he and Haynesworth could start a club....(or use one)....o these classy NFL players

 

[cstu]

He's right about this:

"You've got to throw the ball sometimes," Vick said. "You can't just line up and run the ball every time on first and second down. Teams key in on that and they have coaches, too. We're going to have to throw it more ... Coach [Jim Mora] is going have to trust in me to get it done and I'm up to the challenge to get it done."

but ouch:

"Or a Marvin Harrison. ... I always think about that, Cris. I always think, if I played in Indianapolis, what type of effect would I have on that team? Or what would I be able to do different? It's something I wish I could do for just one week."

 

[mcjc4]

He can't QB in the NFL. Its clear and he is finally getting frustrated with everyone saying so. He is a great RB. He would probably be a very goodWR if he has good hands, but the fact that he can not throw accurately will always hold this team back.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He's no T.O. or C.J., but it was a valiant first effort.

 

[Dancing Bear]

Historically, I have been one of the most vocal contributors here on the boards against Michael Vick.

I think that his replies here are actually honest assessments, and I would not come away stating that he put everyone under the bus as is inferred by the title of this thread. Ask any QB if having TO or Marvin on their team wouldn't help. Are they really going to say no it wouldn't help?

Last week there were at least 5 dropped balls by Vick's receivers; easy grabs for sure and by more than one receiver [including Crumpler]. He cannot be held accountable for their misses. He missed threw some as well, but come on ... This was also the case against New Orleans ...

Additionally, if the running game is not working then how about a little adjustment? Their game plan did not change significantly when the running did not work late in the 2nd half when the momentum switched ... Where were the screen passes or quick routes?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Where were the screen passes or quick routes?

Dunn has been ridiculously under-utilized in the passing game. Four receptions in five games for a guy who, historically, has been an excellent receiver out of the backfield. And I think I've seen 1 designed screen pass all season. Some of that falls on Vick, however, too. And that's true for a couple of reasons. 1. The lack of designed screen passes may be partially due to defensive schemes against Vick. The early success the Bucs defense had stopping him made the popluar game plan to rush from the ends but not get too deep into the backfield. That keeps Vick somewhat contained in the pocket. That also limits opportunities for screen passes, though, as rushing defenders aren't getting very far past the line of scrimmage. And that's where you want them to make screens effective.2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

 

[Dragon Bones]

I still say that Vik is better off being a WR or utility back than a QB. Let Schaub run the offense and let Vik be Vik. His decision making and accuracy are very questionable.

 

[CrossEyed]

I think the Steelers have another win coming this weekend.

 

[TwinTurbo]

People like to bash Vick, but QB's are not easy to come by in the NFL. There are a lot of teams that would love to have a Michael Vick under center.

The #1 problem with Vick is his completion percentage and issues with accuracy. These problems are correctable with good coaching and better WR. His underlying skills and passing ability are not in question. Matt Schaub has the same crappy completion percentage numbers too ~50% (albeit with much fewer attempts).

Look at Donovan McNabb under Andy Reid. McNabb had the same problems as Vick early in his career but he's developed into an elite QB. And look what TO did for McNabb's completion percentage in 2004. It jumped from his avg of 57% to over 64%. Without TO, he's back to 57-58%. Vick is extremely poor at just over 50%. Guys like Manning, Brady, and Palmer all avg over 60%. The ATL coaching staff needs to figure out a way to get Vick closer to the 60% range. And shame on them for not doing it yet. Reid figured out a way to optimize his WCO to play to McNabb's strengths. Mora Jr. needs to do the same.

 

[#@%&$!?]

There's a vick interview in the recent sporting news. He pretty much buys into his own hype of how he's revolutionizing the qb spot. One great quote was along the lines of: "I've got be be true to myelf. I'm not going to listen to all these other haters tell me how to play my game."

Basically the maturity of a teenage girl.

You get the sense that he doesn't care to evolve his game.

 

[fatboyj711]

Where were the screen passes or quick routes?

Dunn has been ridiculously under-utilized in the passing game. Four receptions in five games for a guy who, historically, has been an excellent receiver out of the backfield. And I think I've seen 1 designed screen pass all season. Some of that falls on Vick, however, too. And that's true for a couple of reasons. 1. The lack of designed screen passes may be partially due to defensive schemes against Vick. The early success the Bucs defense had stopping him made the popluar game plan to rush from the ends but not get too deep into the backfield. That keeps Vick somewhat contained in the pocket. That also limits opportunities for screen passes, though, as rushing defenders aren't getting very far past the line of scrimmage. And that's where you want them to make screens effective.2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

there's a reason why atl doesn't run designed screens... they just wouldn't work since defenses are already keying and shadowing vick in the backfield... short passes behind the line of scrimmage would result in very little yardage... also, vick's responsibility is to go through his progression and take off if no one's open... in passing situations, dunn is usually asked to stay and block or chip a blitzing defender on his way out, and by the time dunn is in an open area, vick is either long gone, or vick feels he can pick up more yards on his own....honestly, i agree that vick is not given enough freedom in the passing game... with very little freedom to audible and make changes at the line, he just doesn't have that many options... my only problem with vick is his fickleness... he complained last year that they passed too much, but this year he's complaining that they are running too much (after the coaching staff accomodated his request to change the offensive philosophy this season)...

 

[fatboyj711]

I think the Steelers have another win coming this weekend.

isn't it a known fact that vick and falcons never lose 2 games in a row in the GA dome?

 

[Jagerbomber]

I think some of his comments are fair assessments, but the fact that he fails to show any real self-awareness makes him sound like a d1ck.

"I'm not going to listen to all these other haters tell me how to play my game." this says it all.

 

[j3r3m3y]

Vick answered: "When Reeves was here, I was 50 yards shy of 3,000 yards passing, and I was among top 15 in passing in NFL.

Wow, you were in the top half of the league I never liked this guy, I still don't.

 

[perry147]

There's a vick interview in the recent sporting news. He pretty much buys into his own hype of how he's revolutionizing the qb spot. One great quote was along the lines of: "I've got be be true to myelf. I'm not going to listen to all these other haters tell me how to play my game." Basically the maturity of a teenage girl. You get the sense that he doesn't care to evolve his game.

I read this also in TSN. He thinks that other people held him back from being his true self in the past and now he is going to do it his way.

 

[j3r3m3y]

People like to bash Vick, but QB's are not easy to come by in the NFL. There are a lot of teams that would love to have a Michael Vick under center. The #1 problem with Vick is his completion percentage and issues with accuracy. These problems are correctable with good coaching and better WR. His underlying skills and passing ability are not in question. Matt Schaub has the same crappy completion percentage numbers too ~50% (albeit with much fewer attempts).

So his "#1 Problem" focuses on what a QB MUST do?

 

[CalBear]

Just for information: Atlanta had 17 passes and 22 rushing plays on first and second down this week. On the rushing plays they had 184 yards and 2 TDs; on the passing plays they had 118 yards and no TDs.

On first down, there were 11 passes and 11 rushing attempts.

The passes reflect only the passing attempts which actually happened; I don't have stats on how many of the seven sacks (and 4 fumbles) happened on first and second down.

 

[Big Score]

2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

Of course Vick pulling it down & running it himself, with Dunn out in front throwing blocks, resulted in a beautifull 22 yard rushing TD last week.I've seen them do that quite a few times Bob. When Dunn releases. He looks back to either get a short pass, or see where Vick's running to and then get out in front & block for him. It's actually a part of their game plan & I saw them practice it during TC's this summer.

 

[QUEZILLA]

Ashley Lelie down?

 

[Big Score]

Ashley Lelie down?

Ohhhhhh! Assshleyyy

 

[#@%&$!?]

There's a vick interview in the recent sporting news. He pretty much buys into his own hype of how he's revolutionizing the qb spot. One great quote was along the lines of: "I've got be be true to myelf. I'm not going to listen to all these other haters tell me how to play my game." Basically the maturity of a teenage girl. You get the sense that he doesn't care to evolve his game.

I read this also in TSN. He thinks that other people held him back from being his true self in the past and now he is going to do it his way.

Yes, Vick needs to beleive in himself. Follow his heart. And run free like a pony.

 

[CalBear]

Yes, Vick needs to beleive in himself. Follow his heart. And run free like a pony.

I believe he has a promising career in rodeo.

 

[Slum Lord]

It jumped from his avg of 57% to over 64%. Without TO, he's back to 57-58%.

Apples and oranges. McNabb has always been a QB who can run when he has too. Vick is a RB who passes only when he has too. McNabb is passing for 59% right now, yeah. But he has 1849 yards, 13tds and only 2 picks (leading the league easily, and he's rushed for at least 2 td's). Thats a 16 game season's worth of stats for Vick. And he doenst have T.O., and heck, who does he have? A bunch of nobodies, just like Vick.

 

[Silver & Black]

Like or hate Vick, I just believe it to be bad form to publicly call out your coachs, or even worse, to say how you would love to be on another team, if just for one week.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

Of course Vick pulling it down & running it himself, with Dunn out in front throwing blocks, resulted in a beautifull 22 yard rushing TD last week.I've seen them do that quite a few times Bob. When Dunn releases. He looks back to either get a short pass, or see where Vick's running to and then get out in front & block for him. It's actually a part of their game plan & I saw them practice it during TC's this summer.

At some point, though, the "see where Vick's running" piece has started outweighing the "get a short pass" piece at about a 5 to 1 clip. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it. Obviously you want Vick in the open field when the opportunity arises. But there are times he needs to recognize passing the ball is the better option. Every play isn't a 30 yarder in the making. Opting to try to juke 4 guys for a 3-4 yard run and taking an extra hit isn't necessarily the play when you can make the 4 yard pass to Dunn and see what it might lead to.

 

[EFD]

Michael Vick will never be a good QB in this league because he refuses to invest the time needed to learn the game. He absolutely will not study. Period.

 

[Big Score]

2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

Of course Vick pulling it down & running it himself, with Dunn out in front throwing blocks, resulted in a beautifull 22 yard rushing TD last week.I've seen them do that quite a few times Bob. When Dunn releases. He looks back to either get a short pass, or see where Vick's running to and then get out in front & block for him. It's actually a part of their game plan & I saw them practice it during TC's this summer.

At some point, though, the "see where Vick's running" piece has started outweighing the "get a short pass" piece at about a 5 to 1 clip. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it. Obviously you want Vick in the open field when the opportunity arises. But there are times he needs to recognize passing the ball is the better option. Every play isn't a 30 yarder in the making. Opting to try to juke 4 guys for a 3-4 yard run and taking an extra hit isn't necessarily the play when you can make the 4 yard pass to Dunn and see what it might lead to.

That would make much more sense if Vick were only getting 3 or 4 yards per run & actually having to juke 4 guys, but that's not normally the case. Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

 

[CrossEyed]

I think the Steelers have another win coming this weekend.

isn't it a known fact that vick and falcons never lose 2 games in a row in the GA dome?

2005week 10 vs GB L 33-24week 11 vs TB L 30-27I'd say no, it's not a known fact.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

Of course Vick pulling it down & running it himself, with Dunn out in front throwing blocks, resulted in a beautifull 22 yard rushing TD last week.I've seen them do that quite a few times Bob. When Dunn releases. He looks back to either get a short pass, or see where Vick's running to and then get out in front & block for him. It's actually a part of their game plan & I saw them practice it during TC's this summer.

At some point, though, the "see where Vick's running" piece has started outweighing the "get a short pass" piece at about a 5 to 1 clip. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it. Obviously you want Vick in the open field when the opportunity arises. But there are times he needs to recognize passing the ball is the better option. Every play isn't a 30 yarder in the making. Opting to try to juke 4 guys for a 3-4 yard run and taking an extra hit isn't necessarily the play when you can make the 4 yard pass to Dunn and see what it might lead to.

That would make much more sense if Vick were only getting 3 or 4 yards per run & actually having to juke 4 guys, but that's not normally the case. Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

OK. He averages 9 ypc. That means for every 22 yard run, there are 2 runs of 2-3 yards. It happens plenty.

 

[Main Force Patrol]

It's true: Vick sucks and is a whiny punk. But anyone thinking Vick will ever play another position should reconsider. He was interviewed during his rookie season (I think by Andrea Kramer), and he was asked if he would play another position if the coaches wanted him to. His reply, almost to the word, was :"No. God wants me to be a quarterback." So there you have it.

 

[Big Score]

2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

Of course Vick pulling it down & running it himself, with Dunn out in front throwing blocks, resulted in a beautifull 22 yard rushing TD last week.I've seen them do that quite a few times Bob. When Dunn releases. He looks back to either get a short pass, or see where Vick's running to and then get out in front & block for him. It's actually a part of their game plan & I saw them practice it during TC's this summer.

At some point, though, the "see where Vick's running" piece has started outweighing the "get a short pass" piece at about a 5 to 1 clip. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it. Obviously you want Vick in the open field when the opportunity arises. But there are times he needs to recognize passing the ball is the better option. Every play isn't a 30 yarder in the making. Opting to try to juke 4 guys for a 3-4 yard run and taking an extra hit isn't necessarily the play when you can make the 4 yard pass to Dunn and see what it might lead to.

That would make much more sense if Vick were only getting 3 or 4 yards per run & actually having to juke 4 guys, but that's not normally the case. Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

OK. He averages 9 ypc. That means for every 22 yard run, there are 2 runs of 2-3 yards. It happens plenty.

Bob,Check out the game logs play-by-play.

And just out of curiosity, what is the average ypc gained by RB's on dump offs...?

 

[flapgreen]

He's no T.O. or C.J., but it was a valiant first effort.

 

[Shermanator]

Michael Vick will never be a good QB in this league because he refuses to invest the time needed to learn the game. He absolutely will not study. Period.

I've never heard this. link?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

Of course Vick pulling it down & running it himself, with Dunn out in front throwing blocks, resulted in a beautifull 22 yard rushing TD last week.I've seen them do that quite a few times Bob. When Dunn releases. He looks back to either get a short pass, or see where Vick's running to and then get out in front & block for him. It's actually a part of their game plan & I saw them practice it during TC's this summer.

At some point, though, the "see where Vick's running" piece has started outweighing the "get a short pass" piece at about a 5 to 1 clip. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it. Obviously you want Vick in the open field when the opportunity arises. But there are times he needs to recognize passing the ball is the better option. Every play isn't a 30 yarder in the making. Opting to try to juke 4 guys for a 3-4 yard run and taking an extra hit isn't necessarily the play when you can make the 4 yard pass to Dunn and see what it might lead to.

That would make much more sense if Vick were only getting 3 or 4 yards per run & actually having to juke 4 guys, but that's not normally the case. Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

OK. He averages 9 ypc. That means for every 22 yard run, there are 2 runs of 2-3 yards. It happens plenty.

Bob,Check out the game logs play-by-play.

And just out of curiosity, what is the average ypc gained by RB's on dump offs...?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ypc of a QB with a broken leg

 

[Sleeper 43]

There's a vick interview in the recent sporting news. He pretty much buys into his own hype of how he's revolutionizing the qb spot. One great quote was along the lines of: "I've got be be true to myelf. I'm not going to listen to all these other haters tell me how to play my game." Basically the maturity of a teenage girl. You get the sense that he doesn't care to evolve his game.

I think this is mis-interpreted. The truth is this: Since hes been in the NFL people have been trying to make him something he is not ; a normal QB with a better balance between pass and run. Think about it, last year was his big flop year where he went out of his way to try and show people he could pass due to the criticsm of the media and fans all over. The reality is he is never going to be a great passer and he faced that reality this off-season. I saw at least 3 interviews this past off-season between Mora Jr and Vick both saying all we need him to do is just be M Vick. If he gets 100 Rushing a game and 150 passing they win. I think his statement gets all twisted and misunderstood becasue hes frustarted at how he gave in too the criticsm a year ago and it took him out of his game..... which is running the ball to win. Vick wins games doing it the way only Vick can and I think he does in fact get hated on for that.

 

[Big Score]

Arthur Blank will always side with Vick the Golden Goose on anything.

Since you're Gordon Gekko, I'd think that you of all people, would understand why.Blank is a businessman & he knows the untold millions of Vick lines his pockets with.

 

[shadow2k]

Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

Well damn, you'd think ATL would score on every posession if this were true. That's some mighty fine hype you have going there.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

2. He either doesn't seem to see Dunn or see him as a useful outlet. Not sure which. I've seen a number of plays where Dunn will look to block, encounter nobody, and step past the line to serve as an outlet. He's wide open, and Vick will instead opt to pull the ball down and run it himself. I don't know if that's ego (thinking his run would be more productive than Dunn's catch and run) or an inability to identify an open man among rushing defenders.

Of course Vick pulling it down & running it himself, with Dunn out in front throwing blocks, resulted in a beautifull 22 yard rushing TD last week.I've seen them do that quite a few times Bob. When Dunn releases. He looks back to either get a short pass, or see where Vick's running to and then get out in front & block for him. It's actually a part of their game plan & I saw them practice it during TC's this summer.

At some point, though, the "see where Vick's running" piece has started outweighing the "get a short pass" piece at about a 5 to 1 clip. I'm not saying they shouldn't do it. Obviously you want Vick in the open field when the opportunity arises. But there are times he needs to recognize passing the ball is the better option. Every play isn't a 30 yarder in the making. Opting to try to juke 4 guys for a 3-4 yard run and taking an extra hit isn't necessarily the play when you can make the 4 yard pass to Dunn and see what it might lead to.

That would make much more sense if Vick were only getting 3 or 4 yards per run & actually having to juke 4 guys, but that's not normally the case. Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

OK. He averages 9 ypc. That means for every 22 yard run, there are 2 runs of 2-3 yards. It happens plenty.

 

[Big Score]

Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

Well damn, you'd think ATL would score on every posession if this were true. That's some mighty fine hype you have going there.

401 rushing yards & 2 TD's in only 5 games, is just a little bit more more than hype guy.

 

[Big Score]

He can't QB in the NFL. Its clear and he is finally getting frustrated with everyone saying so. He is a great RB. He would probably be a very goodWR if he has good hands, but the fact that he can not throw accurately will always hold this team back.

I dunno. This looks like a pretty accurate throw to Michael Jenkins.I get to watch a lot of that.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

He can't QB in the NFL. Its clear and he is finally getting frustrated with everyone saying so. He is a great RB. He would probably be a very goodWR if he has good hands, but the fact that he can not throw accurately will always hold this team back.

I dunno. This looks like a pretty accurate throw to Michael Jenkins.I get to watch a lot of that.

You are a piece of work.

 

[shadow2k]

Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

Well damn, you'd think ATL would score on every posession if this were true. That's some mighty fine hype you have going there.

401 rushing yards & 2 TD's in only 5 games, is just a little bit more more than hype guy.

Wow, I'm impressed. Well, I would be, if the NFL gave double points for rushing yards and 8pts for TD's that is...Unfortunately, his prowess as a runner hasn't completely made up for his ineptness as a passer. He's accounted for 1077/5TD's total this year. Go look through and see how many QB's are doing better than him. Not to mention a few that seem to be ready to lap the guy.

 

[faulkfan]

There's a vick interview in the recent sporting news. He pretty much buys into his own hype of how he's revolutionizing the qb spot. One great quote was along the lines of: "I've got be be true to myelf. I'm not going to listen to all these other haters tell me how to play my game."

Basically the maturity of a teenage girl.

You get the sense that he doesn't care to evolve his game.

I think this is mis-interpreted. The truth is this: Since hes been in the NFL people have been trying to make him something he is not ; a normal QB with a better balance between pass and run. Think about it, last year was his big flop year where he went out of his way to try and show people he could pass due to the criticsm of the media and fans all over. The reality is he is never going to be a great passer and he faced that reality this off-season. I saw at least 3 interviews this past off-season between Mora Jr and Vick both saying all we need him to do is just be M Vick. If he gets 100 Rushing a game and 150 passing they win. I think his statement gets all twisted and misunderstood becasue hes frustarted at how he gave in too the criticsm a year ago and it took him out of his game..... which is running the ball to win. Vick wins games doing it the way only Vick can and I think he does in fact get hated on for that.

That is my reality, and your reality, and the majority of the thinking world's reality, but it isn't Vick's reality. His reality says that if they had a different gameplan and different WRs taht he could be a top flight passer. Not QB, passer.I disagree with his reality personally.

 

[Big Score]

Every time Vick takes off, it's almost automatically 1st down since he's averaging almost 9 yards per carry & he's usually only leaving 1 or 2 defenders to pick up their jocks (although at times, we have all seen him leave 4+ guys grasping at air).

Well damn, you'd think ATL would score on every posession if this were true. That's some mighty fine hype you have going there.

401 rushing yards & 2 TD's in only 5 games, is just a little bit more more than hype guy.

Wow, I'm impressed.

And so you should be

 

[Big Score]

Unfortunately, his prowess as a runner hasn't completely made up for his ineptness as a passer. He's accounted for 1077/5TD's total this year.

And he's darn lucky to have that considering his Wr's are constantly making plays like this.

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.

Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips.

Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.