Vick blames Falcons OC for passing game woes (1 Viewer)

[Big Score]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.

Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips.

Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

He's talking about this.

 

[rhawkins68]

I think the Steelers have another win coming this weekend.

isn't it a known fact that vick and falcons never lose 2 games in a row in the GA dome?

Yeah but they have a terrible Wr core, no running backs, and a bad defense.

 

[Capella]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

How is this fishing. I looked at the video and expected to see a ball hit the WR hands in a catchable position and be dropped. Instead I see a brush of the fingers and the WR having to adjust his body to the outside.

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

Sure. He should've run faster been slightly closer to the side-line. It brushed his fingers. Not an automatic catch even by elite WR's.

 

[Big Score]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

rhawkins68 is just Capella.Why? Who knows?

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.

Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips.

Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

He's talking about this.

Correct. Thought I quoted the earlier post and no fishing going on in this post. Difficult pass to catch.

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

rhawkins68 is just Capella.Why? Who knows?

Explain why you consider it fishing? What do you see on the play?

 

[Big Score]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

Sure. He should've run faster been slightly closer to the side-line. It brushed his fingers. Not an automatic catch even by elite WR's.

Stop it! You're killing me.

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

Sure. He should've run faster been slightly closer to the side-line. It brushed his fingers. Not an automatic catch even by elite WR's.

Stop it! You're killing me.

Then what do you see. Analyze the play for me. Your saying it hit it dead on his hand and he did not adjust?

 

[Big Score]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.

Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips.

Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

rhawkins68 is just Capella.Why? Who knows?

Explain why you consider it fishing? What do you see on the play?

This. Now go away & somewhere else

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.

Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips.

Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

rhawkins68 is just Capella.Why? Who knows?

Explain why you consider it fishing? What do you see on the play?

This. Now go away & somewhere else

So you have no analysis. I see the Wr make an adjustment and a ball that hits is fingertips. Also, I was pausing and starting and didn't even realize the announcers say the same thing. This would never be considered a drop.EDIT: But it does explain why so many say they saw a lot more drops than were recorded.

 

[Big Score]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.

Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips.

Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

rhawkins68 is just Capella.Why? Who knows?

Explain why you consider it fishing? What do you see on the play?

This. Now go away & somewhere else

This would never be considered a drop.

 

[Green and Gold]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

Sure. He should've run faster been slightly closer to the side-line. It brushed his fingers. Not an automatic catch even by elite WR's.

If by 'brushed his fingers' you mean 'hit him in the hands', then I agree with you. The guy is even alligator arming it, for crying out loud. A third string WR needs to make that catch. Hell, *I* need to make that playing backyard football. Pause that bad boy right when the ball is touching his hands, it looks like a completed catch.

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.

Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips.

Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

rhawkins68 is just Capella.Why? Who knows?

Explain why you consider it fishing? What do you see on the play?

This. Now go away & somewhere else

This would never be considered a drop.

Yep. Good analysis here.

 

[rhawkins68]

Not a real good example since the video is not good.Now judging the play itself I don't see what was so bad about the WR play. He had position on the defender but the ball was over thrown and to the outside. You can see the WR adjust to the ball but it is not enough. Ball appears to brush his finger tips. Also, Vick did not even bother to sell the fake.

an NFL wideout needs to catch that pass.

Sure. He should've run faster been slightly closer to the side-line. It brushed his fingers. Not an automatic catch even by elite WR's.

If by 'brushed his fingers' you mean 'hit him in the hands', then I agree with you. The guy is even alligator arming it, for crying out loud. A third string WR needs to make that catch. Hell, *I* need to make that playing backyard football. Pause that bad boy right when the ball is touching his hands, it looks like a completed catch.

When I paused the video it does not appear to be hitting him in the hands but the fingers from the knuckle up. Maybe a clearer paused video would change my mind but the one posted appears to be knuckle up. He also had to adjust at speed to the ball being thrown outside. Not an easy catch. Edit: A dropped pass would be the ones like I have seen from TO in dallas. Where it is thrown center of the body hits his hands and to the ground it goes. I'd suggest a better video/play to make the dropped passed argument is all i am saying.

 

[tigershark]

I agree, rhawkins68, not an easy catch. It's catchable, but he has to adjust to the ball not being over a shoulder. It is right over his head. He appears to "alligator arm" because he moved his head and right shoulder back to keep sight of the ball, thus pulling his arms back a bit. I wouldn't consider that to be a drop either. Great play by Vick though to evade the defender in the backfield and make that throw on the run. Just couldn't be quite as accurate with it because he's on the run.

 

[delusional]

pfft

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAehdvQX9No

look at that fearsome tandem of WRs in pinkston and mitchell

vick = not a good qb plain and simple

 

[tigershark]

Oh, and to comment on the topic of this thread- This article appears to be looking to create controversy. Vick's quotes just seem to be honest answers not intended to bash his teamates and coaches but rather responding to questions from Carter. The commentary between the quotes suggests controversy, not Vick's responses. I would like to see the full interview though. Hard to tell with just that short article.

 

[Chewyguru]

Someone please get Vick and TO on the same team. The ensuing hilarity would be classic.

Those two should be a team on The Amazing Race.

 

[Despyzer]

I don't normally have a problem with you, Score, but you are adding nothing to the discussion and obviously have no argument to represent here. Best to find some other thread and start over.

 

[Despyzer]

Oh, and to comment on the topic of this thread- This article appears to be looking to create controversy. Vick's quotes just seem to be honest answers not intended to bash his teamates and coaches but rather responding to questions from Carter. The commentary between the quotes suggests controversy, not Vick's responses. I would like to see the full interview though. Hard to tell with just that short article.

Sure, they are honest, and that's the problem. Vick refuses to take any responsibilty for his own progress. Every year it's the coaches (remember, he's the one who wanted Reeves fired in the first place), his system, his receivers, the scheme, everything in the world except Vick himself.He might be honest, but he's also delusional if he think he'd be as good of a QB as Peyton Manning if he was in Indy.

 

[Da Guru]

Vick is not even in the same league as McNabb.

 

[sterjs]

The ATL coaching staff needs to figure out a way to get Vick closer to the 60% range. And shame on them for not doing it yet. Reid figured out a way to optimize his WCO to play to McNabb's strengths. Mora Jr. needs to do the same.

Vick isn't McNabb and Mora Jr. isn't Jesus, so don't expect him to ever post >60% completion percent. His career average is 54%. His best year is 56% or so. At some point you have to stop blaming everyone else and start blaming Vick--the guy is a marginal passer and he's got a long way to go if he wants to be even an average passing QB.Falcons should run the Single Wing. Vick has been one of the very worst passers in the league in 06. Only Andrew Walter, Vince Young and maybe a couple others have been worse at passing. Granted, his running contribution this year is far greater than any other quarterback(maybe in history), but even with that he's been a below average QB.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I don't normally have a problem with you, Score, but you are adding nothing to the discussion and obviously have no argument to represent here. Best to find some other thread and start over.

 

[CalBear]

Vick isn't McNabb and Mora Jr. isn't Jesus, so don't expect him to ever post >60% completion percent. His career average is 54%. His best year is 56% or so. At some point you have to stop blaming everyone else and start blaming Vick--the guy is a marginal passer and he's got a long way to go if he wants to be even an average passing QB.

+---------------------------------------+-----------------+				 |			  Passing				  |	 Rushing	 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+| Year  TM |   G |  Comp   Att   PCT	YD   Y/A  TD INT |  Att  Yards  TD |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+-----------------+|  TOTAL   | 100 |  1840  3151  58.4 21282   6.8 147  68 |   432  2601  24 ||  TOTAL   |  63 |   785  1459  53.8  9707   6.7  54  42 |   450  3232  21 ||  TOTAL   | 126 |  1316  2358  55.8 14746   6.3  77  84 |   560  2874  38 |

One of these things is not like the othersOne of these things just doesn't belong...(Career numbers for McNabb, Vick, Kordell Stewart. It is a severe insult to McNabb to compare him to either of the other two.)

 

[#@%&$!?]

There's a vick interview in the recent sporting news. He pretty much buys into his own hype of how he's revolutionizing the qb spot. One great quote was along the lines of: "I've got be be true to myelf. I'm not going to listen to all these other haters tell me how to play my game." Basically the maturity of a teenage girl. You get the sense that he doesn't care to evolve his game.

I think this is mis-interpreted. The truth is this: Since hes been in the NFL people have been trying to make him something he is not ; a normal QB with a better balance between pass and run. Think about it, last year was his big flop year where he went out of his way to try and show people he could pass due to the criticsm of the media and fans all over. The reality is he is never going to be a great passer and he faced that reality this off-season. I saw at least 3 interviews this past off-season between Mora Jr and Vick both saying all we need him to do is just be M Vick. If he gets 100 Rushing a game and 150 passing they win. I think his statement gets all twisted and misunderstood becasue hes frustarted at how he gave in too the criticsm a year ago and it took him out of his game..... which is running the ball to win. Vick wins games doing it the way only Vick can and I think he does in fact get hated on for that.

Not misinterpreted at all. Vick talked about how he tried to develop his passing skills last year. These quotes are verbatim. Regarding his effort to develop as a better passer last year:

I don't know what the hell I was thinking, to be honest... I mean, I knew people were saying that the only way you are going to be perceived as a (great) quarterback is by staying in the pocket. I run a 4.2, a 4.3 40. Why would I feed into that? I am sick of people trying to tell me how to play my game, saying this is right or this is wrong and saying, 'You need to do this or that' to be a complete quarterback. Whatever you want to say, whatever you want to think, whatever theory you have, I got mine. And that is to be me."

Vick tried for one season to develop as a passer, and predictably had a difficult time. I'm fine with that. It will probably take a few seasons before he gets it. The problem here is Vick's attitude. He's basically quitting that effort after one try. Its pretty obvious he thinks he's fine the way he plays now, and doesn't care to (not change but) round out his game. This is what I'm mocking. He gives one try, doesn't get the results he wants, pouts, decides he doesn't need to continue that effort, will stop listening to guidance, and 'be true to himself.' This is grade A teenage girl melodrama.

 

[#@%&$!?]

I fully expect Vick to meltdown one day during passing drills and lash out at Mora.

"This is what YOU want! What about what I want? I HATE YOU!"

*runs into locker room while holding back tears*

 

[rhawkins68]

I agree, rhawkins68, not an easy catch. It's catchable, but he has to adjust to the ball not being over a shoulder. It is right over his head. He appears to "alligator arm" because he moved his head and right shoulder back to keep sight of the ball, thus pulling his arms back a bit. I wouldn't consider that to be a drop either. Great play by Vick though to evade the defender in the backfield and make that throw on the run. Just couldn't be quite as accurate with it because he's on the run.

Thanks for actually looking at the video. I'm sure there are a lot better examples of true dropped passes by the Falcon WR's. Just a bad example as I said.I know I saw a few in the only Falcon game I watched this year.