Vick has broken ribs (1 Viewer)

[Joe Bryant]

On a non playing note - the contrast with how this was covered vs Tony Romo as the most courageous athlete in history playing with broken ribs is fascinating.J

It's because Tony Romo won the game against SF. If Vick had played with broken ribs and lead the team to a win he'd get similar props. The media have their favorite players. Often (but not always) those players have played extremely well over a solid chunk of time so they gain the benefit of the doubt. Vick is not one of those players. I'm surprised he hasn't received a LOT more negative publicity for his play.

I disagree there. The next game there was non stop talk about Romo was going to gut it out and play and how heroic that was. Romo to his credit never said any of that - he downplayed it saying everyone played hurt. Just interesting to me to see how dramatically different the coverage has been.J

1) Romo punctured a lung. That's a bit more than just broken ribs.2) Romo won that game. If he had lost there would have been stories about whether his injury cost the Cowboys a win against a bad team (SF was not getting the love they now are) and if the the backup could have performed better. I am certain if Vick had marched his team down the field like Romo did and ended up with a win the media would be calling it a "gutsy" performance and commending him for playing through the pain.

We all know the punctured lung was overplayed. It was a tiny hole that healed nearly instantly. By mid week, it was not an issue. If anything you could make the case Vick did the more difficult thing staying in the game instead of leaving like Romo before coming back at the end. If you truly think Vick would have received the same treatment as Romo did if the Eagles had won, we'll just have to disagree.I like Tony Romo and I'm definitely a Romo apologist. I just find it interesting how the dislike for Vick is playing out in media coverage. And certainly the love for Dallas as a "national" team is a factor too. It's no surprise. Just interesting. J

I'm not disagreeing the media often makes a minor injury sound more drastic than it is. But if you think the media has a crush on Romo I agree we'll have to agree to disagree. Tony Romo is often beaten up in the media for being a nice guy but not the guy to lead your team to a Super Bowl. He's received a lot of hate for being a so called choke artist. Heck, he was vilified for taking a quick vacation a year or two ago (Mexico I think). I don't understand how someone can make the argument Tony Romo is loved by the media.

Wow. That's why I love the boards - lots of different opinions.Let me ask you this: Among the 32 starting QBs, where would you rank Vick on the "liked by the media" scale? Where would you rank Romo?#1 is most liked. #32 is most disliked. And for sure, some media will love Vick and some will hate Vick. But overall from a national perspective, where do you see it?J

 

[Joe Bryant]

FWIW, ESPN's Adam Schefter saying it's looking less likely: "Michael Vick still has time to heal, but the early signs are that he is unlikely to play Sunday night vs. Giants due to two cracked ribs."

J

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Let me ask you this: Among the 32 starting QBs, where would you rank Vick on the "liked by the media" scale? Where would you rank Romo?#1 is most liked. #32 is most disliked. And for sure, some media will love Vick and some will hate Vick. But overall from a national perspective, where do you see it?J

Hmm, interesting question. I would say most are met with general indifference. The media doesn't really care about Curtis Painter because the fans don't really care about Painter. I'm not sure Tarvaris Jackson is worth talking about because who cares? Is he going to be a long term starter? No. So no use wasting breath on him. Mat Ryan is a good qb. He's not a great one. He hasn't stood out in the crowd by revolutionizing things (ie rushing). He isn't setting passing records. His team isn't unstoppable. He's just not a sexy name. Vince Young? Lots of drama (well, when he was with the Titans). And drama sells. Tebow? Everyone loves a trainwreck and they're waiting for reality to set in. I think there are only a few qb's the media wants to talk about with regularity:ManningSanchez BradyVick CutlerRodgers NewtonBreesTebowRomoI would agree Vick is likely the most disliked but I think that has little to do with why he's in the media or why they rip him. There are lots of jerks in the NFL. Plenty of athletes have beat their wives/girlfriends. But rarely do they get talked about. Because folks like us simply do not care (speaking from a sports pov).People want a trainwreck. Or they want an incredible story of success. I don't think the media cares as long as it's interesting. There was a lot of love for Vick's play last year. Because that story had drama and he played well. Now? FEMA should be sent to the Lincoln field because that team is a disaster. The media loves disasters. It sells. And quarterbacks always get more credit/blame than they actually deserve. Some quarterbacks will always be in the media simply because they play in a big market. Other qb's will always be in the media because they stand out with their personality (Tebow). Vick stood out long before he went to prison. He rushed more than a quarterback was supposed to. He got hurt often. He was sometimes rude to fans. He won games but did so in a way the old school players refused to measure (qb rating). You add in prison and becoming the quarterback of what was dubbed the "dream team" and he was going to be in the media a LOT this year - no matter how well the season did or did not go.If he were having a good year despite the struggles of this team the media would likely give him a pass. If he were having a good year and the team were winning he'd be getting lots of love. Instead his qb rating is a lousy 79.8. That ranks him 20th in the league. 1 point higher than Matt Moore. Nobody wants to give Matt Moore a 100 million dollar contract.Let's look at it another way. Folks are saying how terrible Kolb looks this year. How hesitant he is to throw the ball downfield and how timid he's looked. Let's compare the two of them:Qb rating? Vick is at 79.8. Kolb is at 77.8Yards per attempt? Vick is at 7.3. Kolb is at 7.5Touchdown to interception ratio? Vick is at 1:1. Kolb is at 1:1Completion percent? Vick is at 60.3. Kolb is at 56.8The fact you somehow think Vick deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Tony Romo is almost laughable. The Cowboys still have a very reasonable shot at the playoffs. Tony Romo has the 4th best qb rating in the league and destroys Vick in every meaningful passing statistic. There were concerns Vick's style of play would fizzle out once teams started making adjustments. Some folks wondered if he was worth the money. They were dubbed the "dream team". Worst fears are coming true. Their terrible record is indeed partially the fault of the crappy play from Vick. If Romo and the Cowboys looked this bad I think they'd be getting roasted as well.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Let me ask you this: Among the 32 starting QBs, where would you rank Vick on the "liked by the media" scale? Where would you rank Romo?#1 is most liked. #32 is most disliked. And for sure, some media will love Vick and some will hate Vick. But overall from a national perspective, where do you see it?J

Hmm, interesting question. I would say most are met with general indifference. The media doesn't really care about Curtis Painter because the fans don't really care about Painter. I'm not sure Tarvaris Jackson is worth talking about because who cares? Is he going to be a long term starter? No. So no use wasting breath on him. Mat Ryan is a good qb. He's not a great one. He hasn't stood out in the crowd by revolutionizing things (ie rushing). He isn't setting passing records. His team isn't unstoppable. He's just not a sexy name. Vince Young? Lots of drama (well, when he was with the Titans). And drama sells. Tebow? Everyone loves a trainwreck and they're waiting for reality to set in. I think there are only a few qb's the media wants to talk about with regularity:ManningSanchez BradyVick CutlerRodgers NewtonBreesTebowRomoI would agree Vick is likely the most disliked but I think that has little to do with why he's in the media or why they rip him. There are lots of jerks in the NFL. Plenty of athletes have beat their wives/girlfriends. But rarely do they get talked about. Because folks like us simply do not care (speaking from a sports pov).People want a trainwreck. Or they want an incredible story of success. I don't think the media cares as long as it's interesting. There was a lot of love for Vick's play last year. Because that story had drama and he played well. Now? FEMA should be sent to the Lincoln field because that team is a disaster. The media loves disasters. It sells. And quarterbacks always get more credit/blame than they actually deserve. Some quarterbacks will always be in the media simply because they play in a big market. Other qb's will always be in the media because they stand out with their personality (Tebow). Vick stood out long before he went to prison. He rushed more than a quarterback was supposed to. He got hurt often. He was sometimes rude to fans. He won games but did so in a way the old school players refused to measure (qb rating). You add in prison and becoming the quarterback of what was dubbed the "dream team" and he was going to be in the media a LOT this year - no matter how well the season did or did not go.If he were having a good year despite the struggles of this team the media would likely give him a pass. If he were having a good year and the team were winning he'd be getting lots of love. Instead his qb rating is a lousy 79.8. That ranks him 20th in the league. 1 point higher than Matt Moore. Nobody wants to give Matt Moore a 100 million dollar contract.Let's look at it another way. Folks are saying how terrible Kolb looks this year. How hesitant he is to throw the ball downfield and how timid he's looked. Let's compare the two of them:Qb rating? Vick is at 79.8. Kolb is at 77.8Yards per attempt? Vick is at 7.3. Kolb is at 7.5Touchdown to interception ratio? Vick is at 1:1. Kolb is at 1:1Completion percent? Vick is at 60.3. Kolb is at 56.8The fact you somehow think Vick deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Tony Romo is almost laughable. The Cowboys still have a very reasonable shot at the playoffs. Tony Romo has the 4th best qb rating in the league and destroys Vick in every meaningful passing statistic. There were concerns Vick's style of play would fizzle out once teams started making adjustments. Some folks wondered if he was worth the money. They were dubbed the "dream team". Worst fears are coming true. Their terrible record is indeed partially the fault of the crappy play from Vick. If Romo and the Cowboys looked this bad I think they'd be getting roasted as well.

Sure, the guys you mention are pretty neutral. They'll be in the middle of the scale using #1 most liked and #32 most disliked.I think most everyone would agree Vick is #32. Where would you rank Romo?J

 

[TheCommish]

I was planning to take my lumps with Colt McCoy v. Jacksonville this week to cover my Big Ben bye week, but I might have to change my plans and pick up Vince Young. Seems like a no-brainer, right?

 

[unckeyherb]

I was planning to take my lumps with Colt McCoy v. Jacksonville this week to cover my Big Ben bye week, but I might have to change my plans and pick up Vince Young. Seems like a no-brainer, right?

Vince Young's small sample size of playing in the Bird's offense has been the definition of anti-good. I can think of 31 QBs that I'd rather have starting than him right now.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Sure, the guys you mention are pretty neutral. They'll be in the middle of the scale using #1 most liked and #32 most disliked.I think most everyone would agree Vick is #32. Where would you rank Romo?J

It depends how well he's done recently. Right now he's closer to the top. Probably just outside the top 5. If he goes into a tailspin or loses in the playoffs I he'll rank very near the bottom. If Vick steps up his game and/or leads the team to the playoffs I'm confident he'll climb the rankings. I don't believe most of the love/hate is set in stone (they love Peyton but other than that I think the rest can climb/fall easily). It's like the power rankings. Right now Vick ranks near the bottom. And he should. Right now Romo ranks near the top. As he should. Both of them have played their way into those spots.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Sure, the guys you mention are pretty neutral. They'll be in the middle of the scale using #1 most liked and #32 most disliked.I think most everyone would agree Vick is #32. Where would you rank Romo?J

It depends how well he's done recently. Right now he's closer to the top. Probably just outside the top 5. If he goes into a tailspin or loses in the playoffs I he'll rank very near the bottom. If Vick steps up his game and/or leads the team to the playoffs I'm confident he'll climb the rankings. I don't believe most of the love/hate is set in stone (they love Peyton but other than that I think the rest can climb/fall easily). It's like the power rankings. Right now Vick ranks near the bottom. And he should. Right now Romo ranks near the top. As he should. Both of them have played their way into those spots.

That's cool. I can see why you'd think what you think then. In my opinion, Vick is firmly anchored to #32. In fact it would be 1-31>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 32. Vick. And again, not without reason.I think Romo is a top 3 when playing well and a top 5 when playing like he was earlier in the year. Where we differ is I do think a top 3 ranking is "the media having a crush on Romo".And I do think that factors heavily into how the media coves and spins things. It's not unlike the way a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens could do something and it's a huge deal where another player could do the exact same thing and it not be mentioned. And to be clear, I'm fine with that. I just find it interesting.J

 

[guderian]

I was planning to take my lumps with Colt McCoy v. Jacksonville this week to cover my Big Ben bye week, but I might have to change my plans and pick up Vince Young. Seems like a no-brainer, right?

Vince Young's small sample size of playing in the Bird's offense has been the definition of anti-good. I can think of 31 QBs that I'd rather have starting than him right now.

He completed 67% of his passes in the preseason for 330 yards and 1/1 with 1 rushing TD--all without the benefit of an off-season in the system. He also completed 60% of his passes last year with a 10/3 TD/INT ratio. I don't think we can proclaim him to be the next Brady, but the evidence doesn't say that he should be completely written off.

 

[Amused to Death]

Local writers have nothing more than this, which is from NFL.com. Wonder if Reid will drag this out to a GTD?

Eagles quarterback Michael Vick will not practice on Wednesday as Philadelphia begins preparation for Sunday's game against the New York Ginats, according to head coach Andy Reid.

Vick suffered two broken ribs against the Arizona Cardinals last Sunday, putting his status for this weekend's divisional matchup in jeopardy.

Reid would not count out Vick to play in Sunday's game.

"He's still sore. Next few days will tell," Reid said of Vick, adding that Vince Young and Mike Kafka would split reps in Wednesday's practice.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8242d96f/article/reid-will-not-rule-out-vick-for-eagles-matchup-with-giants?module=HP11_headline_stack

 

[unckeyherb]

I was planning to take my lumps with Colt McCoy v. Jacksonville this week to cover my Big Ben bye week, but I might have to change my plans and pick up Vince Young. Seems like a no-brainer, right?

Vince Young's small sample size of playing in the Bird's offense has been the definition of anti-good. I can think of 31 QBs that I'd rather have starting than him right now.

He completed 67% of his passes in the preseason for 330 yards and 1/1 with 1 rushing TD--all without the benefit of an off-season in the system. He also completed 60% of his passes last year with a 10/3 TD/INT ratio. I don't think we can proclaim him to be the next Brady, but the evidence doesn't say that he should be completely written off.

In less playing time in the preseason, Kafka, against the same 2nd-4th string defenses, threw for more yards, completed more of his passes and threw for 2 TD's.The one game where Young started is where he had his TD and more than half of his yards. That was week 4 when NYJ starters didn't play. I lend little credence to any preseason numbers, frankly. Not sure how his numbers on a different team last year have much to do with the Eagles? In his only time playing in a real game for the birds he looked very lost, throwing an incomplete pass, then scrambling for 2, then throwing a pick. His only meaningful contribution to this team has been the #######ed 'dream team' quote. He's terrible.

 

[guderian]

I was planning to take my lumps with Colt McCoy v. Jacksonville this week to cover my Big Ben bye week, but I might have to change my plans and pick up Vince Young. Seems like a no-brainer, right?

Vince Young's small sample size of playing in the Bird's offense has been the definition of anti-good. I can think of 31 QBs that I'd rather have starting than him right now.

He completed 67% of his passes in the preseason for 330 yards and 1/1 with 1 rushing TD--all without the benefit of an off-season in the system. He also completed 60% of his passes last year with a 10/3 TD/INT ratio. I don't think we can proclaim him to be the next Brady, but the evidence doesn't say that he should be completely written off.

In less playing time in the preseason, Kafka, against the same 2nd-4th string defenses, threw for more yards, completed more of his passes and threw for 2 TD's.The one game where Young started is where he had his TD and more than half of his yards. That was week 4 when NYJ starters didn't play. I lend little credence to any preseason numbers, frankly. Not sure how his numbers on a different team last year have much to do with the Eagles? In his only time playing in a real game for the birds he looked very lost, throwing an incomplete pass, then scrambling for 2, then throwing a pick. His only meaningful contribution to this team has been the #######ed 'dream team' quote. He's terrible.

So you're basing your assessment of Young's outlook on a single regular season pass attempt? I cited the preseason stats because that's all we have on Young and you were the one that wanted to focus solely on his time as an Eagle. Kafka and Young had the same QB rating in the preseason, again despite the fact that Young didn't get an off-season in the system. Kafka track record this year hasn't exactly been stellar and the Eagles brass seems to prefer Young. He could bomb, but the recent evidence suggests otherwise despite his single regular season pass attempt this year.

 

[unckeyherb]

I was planning to take my lumps with Colt McCoy v. Jacksonville this week to cover my Big Ben bye week, but I might have to change my plans and pick up Vince Young. Seems like a no-brainer, right?

Vince Young's small sample size of playing in the Bird's offense has been the definition of anti-good. I can think of 31 QBs that I'd rather have starting than him right now.

He completed 67% of his passes in the preseason for 330 yards and 1/1 with 1 rushing TD--all without the benefit of an off-season in the system. He also completed 60% of his passes last year with a 10/3 TD/INT ratio. I don't think we can proclaim him to be the next Brady, but the evidence doesn't say that he should be completely written off.

In less playing time in the preseason, Kafka, against the same 2nd-4th string defenses, threw for more yards, completed more of his passes and threw for 2 TD's.The one game where Young started is where he had his TD and more than half of his yards. That was week 4 when NYJ starters didn't play. I lend little credence to any preseason numbers, frankly. Not sure how his numbers on a different team last year have much to do with the Eagles? In his only time playing in a real game for the birds he looked very lost, throwing an incomplete pass, then scrambling for 2, then throwing a pick. His only meaningful contribution to this team has been the #######ed 'dream team' quote. He's terrible.

So you're basing your assessment of Young's outlook on a single regular season pass attempt? I cited the preseason stats because that's all we have on Young and you were the one that wanted to focus solely on his time as an Eagle. Kafka and Young had the same QB rating in the preseason, again despite the fact that Young didn't get an off-season in the system. Kafka track record this year hasn't exactly been stellar and the Eagles brass seems to prefer Young. He could bomb, but the recent evidence suggests otherwise despite his single regular season pass attempt this year.

I'm basing my assessment on him on what of seen of Vince Young in Eagle's Green. My point about preseason is that while he put up decent numbers, it was against borderline non-NFL players and for what I watched, I didn't think he looked very good. He looked downright atrocious when he's been in for Vick during the season. I guess my opinion comes more from watching him/stupid comments from him. Probably a little overly negative. Suffice it to say, he hasn't shown me anything to be positive about.

 

[Sabertooth]

Jay Cutler was made to look like a punk last season when he was in fact pretty badly injured. In fact Fox News fabricated headlines that didn't even exist to make it seem even worse than it was. Here you had a news agency literally making #### up to disparage a guy because he got injured. And Cutler is a stand up guy too. Not some convicted felon.

Mike Vick. He's getting what he deserves.

 

[griff321]

What kind of value does Vick hold in dynasty formats? I'm afraid he's jumped the shark, am I wrong?

 

[FavreCo]

CSNPhilly.com reports Philadelphia Eagles QB Vince Young took almost all the first-team reps at Wednesday's walkthrough.

About time 'dream team' got his chance.

 

[Sabertooth]

What kind of value does Vick hold in dynasty formats? I'm afraid he's jumped the shark, am I wrong?

I think his value is dropping but anybody that has him still generally thinks he'll rebound so his cost might be higher than his worth. I'm not interested. He's getting older, he's at the age right now where running backs hit the wall. He takes a ton of abuse. No thanks.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

And I do think that factors heavily into how the media coves and spins things. It's not unlike the way a Randy Moss or Terrell Owens could do something and it's a huge deal where another player could do the exact same thing and it not be mentioned. And to be clear, I'm fine with that. I just find it interesting.J

It's clear we'll have to agree to disagree. Because I do not think they did the exact same thing. Romo won. Vick lost. Vick completed 47% of his passes. He threw for 0 touchdowns. He threw 2 interceptions. He threw 128 yards on 34 attempts. He had a 3.8 ypa. He rushed for 79 yards. He had a qb rating of 32.5. He lost. He had broken ribs.Romo completed 60% of his passes. He threw for 2 touchdowns. He threw 0 interceptions. He threw 345 yards on 33 attempts. He had a 10.5 ypa. He rushed for 0 yards. He had a qb rating of 116.4. He won. He had broken ribs.They both had broken ribs. So I suppose if you take the most extreme of views you could say they did the exact same thing. But to anyone able to step back and actually look at the performances of that game there is no possible or reasonable way you can say they did "the exact same thing". They both broke ribs. If you want to go down that road then I suppose you should compare Colt McCoy with Tom Brady. They both did exactly the same thing when they threw the football to players on their own team!

 

[Joe Summer]

Vick ruled OUT per ESPN source. Fire up the Vince Young bandwagon.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/32818/report-michael-vick-ruled-out-for-sunday

 

[Sir Chadwick]

Is it time to bump Celek? At least for a week or two?

 

[Sabertooth]

Is it time to bump Celek? At least for a week or two?

Joe seems to have entrenched himself in his stance here.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Is it time to bump Celek? At least for a week or two?

I'd say downgrade the entire offense with Vick out, and that includes McCoy. People don't realize what an advantage it is for a running back like a McCoy to have Vick back there who can take off at any time and run, he keeps the defense on their toes. Without the threat of Vick, defenses will focus in on McCoy. McCoy is still very good, but it's still been an advantage for him having Vick back there. Yes, Young can move in the pocket as well but he's no Vick and Young will have to prove to defenses he can beat them with his legs before they actually game plan to the extremes teams do when Vick is playing.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Is it time to bump Celek? At least for a week or two?

I'd say downgrade the entire offense with Vick out, and that includes McCoy. People don't realize what an advantage it is for a running back like a McCoy to have Vick back there who can take off at any time and run, he keeps the defense on their toes. Without the threat of Vick, defenses will focus in on McCoy. McCoy is still very good, but it's still been an advantage for him having Vick back there. Yes, Young can move in the pocket as well but he's no Vick and Young will have to prove to defenses he can beat them with his legs before they actually game plan to the extremes teams do when Vick is playing.

Vince Young is also a scrambling qb.

 

[Amused to Death]

Mike Vick and DeSean Jackson will be out of practice Wednesday, coach Andy Reid said this afternoon. Jeremy Maclin, though, is expected to be back after missing the last game with shoulder and hamstring injuries.

Vick (ribs) tried to throw on Tuesday but wasn't able to do very much, Reid said, creating more doubt about whether he will be able to play Sunday.

Jackson has a bruised foot that is still swollen, Reid said. There is no break, he said, but the Eagles need to get the swelling out.

Steve Smith will take Jackson's place in practice. The Eagles use the bigger Riley Cooper to back up Maclin, and Smith to step in for Jackson.

More soon.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/blogs/Vick-DeSean-out-of-practice-Wed.html#ixzz1eYOt6Z9n

 

[Amused to Death]

Looks like a third consecutive start for Vince Young at quarterback for the Eagles when they travel to Seattle on Thursday night.

Michael Vick will not practice today, although he will throw on the side and is making progress, coach Andy Reid said today.

Vick "can't put heavy torque on the ball without feeling some pain," Reid said, adding that Vick won't practice until that issue is resolved.

"We'll take it day-by-day," Reid said.

Young will continue to take snaps with the firs team.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Vince-Young-likely-to-start-vs-Seahawks.html#ixzz1f7WCuDgr

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Looks like a third consecutive start for Vince Young at quarterback for the Eagles when they travel to Seattle on Thursday night.Michael Vick will not practice today, although he will throw on the side and is making progress, coach Andy Reid said today.Vick "can't put heavy torque on the ball without feeling some pain," Reid said, adding that Vick won't practice until that issue is resolved."We'll take it day-by-day," Reid said.Young will continue to take snaps with the firs team.http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/Vince-Young-likely-to-start-vs-Seahawks.html#ixzz1f7WCuDgr

Seems there is some thought that if the game were Sunday rather than Thursday he would play. So it looks hopeful that Vick shall return in time for most people's fantasy playoffs.